RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

20Cent

RTE have filed an official complaint against the Gardai after a cameraman was injured during a protest after an anti-Islam group Pegida tried to have a meeting in Dublin.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scuffles-break-out-at-launch-of-anti-immigration-group-in-dublin-1.2525530

An Irish Times journalist nearly got smashed in the face making this video.
https://youtu.be/jFv6ArDBEBY

In the video the Guarda can be seen goading the crowd he is clearly looking to hit someone.

Time for review of how they handle protests.

Iwasfrozen

20Cent wrote: »

RTE have filed an official complaint against the Gardai after a cameraman was injured during a protest after an anti-Islam group Pegida tried to have a meeting in Dublin.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scuffles-break-out-at-launch-of-anti-immigration-group-in-dublin-1.2525530

An Irish Times journalist nearly got smashed in the face making this video.
https://youtu.be/jFv6ArDBEBY

In the video the Guarda can be seen goading the crowd he is clearly looking to hit someone.

Time for review of how they handle protests.

The cameraman was in the wrong place. He made the decision to place himself in danger so I have no sympathy.

The Moldy Gowl

The video as always is only showing one side of the clash. The crowd are as rough as a badgers arse with one lad goading the gardai.

If I was in a crowd like that and got a wallop I would have it coming to me.



Fair enough, he gives the camera a fair whack which he probably shouldn't, but the crowd are being absolute gowls.
'Get off our street, gardai scum'.
Ya, seems like a wise idea for a society.

Few of those lads deserve to have the chops slapped off them. Peaceful protest me hole.

RDM_83 again

The sad thing is nearly every time you read about facists and anti-facist protesters, its the Anti-Fa ones that always seem to be the ones that are actually involved in violence. Strange because using violence to achieve ones political aims is normally associated with what ideology (spot quiz )

Berserker

The cameraman was at fault. He should have kept a safe distance from them. I think the police handled that situation very, very well. The protesters sounded like a right crowd of trash.

masti123

Member of the Gardaí loses the run of himself and attacks a member of the press, and the consensus is he must have had good reason to do it.
Yep, boards is still boards.

chocksaway

Yeah i dont see a whole lot in that. Camera or no camera he was in a crowd of thugs looking to cause a row

The Moldy Gowl

That's a serious click bait of a title as well.
His camera got a whack.

questionmark?

Not excusing the Guard if he was in the wrong but this is what happens in these situations. If a section of the crowd didn't break off from the main demonstration(to cause trouble by looking at the report and the videos floating around) this wouldn't have happended.

20Cent

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

That's a serious click bait of a title as well.
His camera got a whack.

The video was taken by an Irish Times journalist he got out of the way in time.

The injured person is an RTE cameraman suppose the big camera on his shoulder meant he was "asking for it.".

The Golden Miller

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The cameraman was in the wrong place. He made the decision to place himself in danger so I have no sympathy.

No surprises as the who's first in to defend anything associated with the establishment.

That gaurd seemed like a clown. None of the other gaurds deemed it necessary to behave like him. You can hear him say "come on" to the protesters and motion with his hand. Any sort of power goes straight to some people

RayM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

'Get off our street, gardai scum'.

To me, that sounded more like 'Get off our street, Nazi scum' (referring to Pegida members, not the Gardai).

Not that there isn't a massively scummy element amongst the Gardai too, of course.

Taxburden carrier

Now if we could just get him to sort out a few "presenters" !

That Garda seems a total gnome, he was actually gesturing to the protesters to come and have a go (as he stepped back to the safety of his colleagues).

Serious w@nker imo, looking to trouble.

The Golden Miller

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

The video as always is only showing one side of the clash. The crowd are as rough as a badgers arse with one lad goading the gardai.

If I was in a crowd like that and got a wallop I would have it coming to me.



Fair enough, he gives the camera a fair whack which he probably shouldn't, but the crowd are being absolute gowls.
'Get off our street, gardai scum'.
Ya, seems like a wise idea for a society.

Few of those lads deserve to have the chops slapped off them. Peaceful protest me hole.

They were saying "nazi scum" and it wasn't directed at the gaurds. But as usual, don't let reality get in the way

SEPT 23 1989

"ye fcuking free state b@stard"

Republic old chap Republic

my friend

Everyone is a camera man these days!

The Gardai showed remarkable restraint

'Everybody move back' was clearly repeated over an extended period of time

Garda instructions are ultimately enforceable as witnessed, no laws broken by the Gardai from my review.

Garda instructions apply to camera men and reporters too.

End of.

The Moldy Gowl

RayM wrote: »

To me, that sounded more like 'Get off our street, Nazi scum' (referring to Pegida members, not the Gardai).

Not that there isn't a massively scummy element amongst the Gardai too, of course.

Well I'm sure some gardai are ****. It's to be expected.

Ahh thought I heard gardai. Meh, same thing really.
Just assumed it was becuase the gaurds got aggressive and backed off.

Is there a quote at the start where the gaurd throws a slap at your mans leg and they say
'You free state bastard' or police state bastard.

Eugene Norman

masti123 wrote: »

Member of the Gardaí loses the run of himself and attacks a member of the press, and the consensus is he must have had good reason to do it.
Yep, boards is still boards.

The guards were holding a line. They are trained to use batons. They used batons.

The Moldy Gowl

The Golden Miller wrote: »

They were saying "nazi scum" and it wasn't directed at the gaurds. But as usual, don't let reality get in the way

What difference does that make to my reality.

They are still a crowd of knackers looking for trouble, especially more so chanting nazi scum at the other lads.

The irony is lost on them.

Eugene Norman

The Golden Miller wrote: »

They were saying "nazi scum" and it wasn't directed at the gaurds. But as usual, don't let reality get in the way

They were definitely saying gardai scum. Accents sounded English too.


Edit.

No Nazi scum mostly. Was wrong.

Berserker

Augeo wrote: »

That Garda seems a total gnome, he was actually gesturing to the protesters to come and have a go (as he stepped back to the safety of his colleagues).

Serious w@nker imo, looking to trouble.

I love this type of stuff. That is very timid in comparison to the riot police you'd come across in mainland Europe. They would walk through a group of scrots like that and them some. The police are there to diffuse a potentially dangerous situation. Asking those protesters to move away in a nice gentle tone isn't going to get the job done. I'd hazard a guess that many in that group are known trouble makers.

The Golden Miller

Eugene Norman wrote: »

They were definitely saying gardai scum. Accents sounded English too.

Maybe you should get a new battery put in that hearing aid

Manach

My offhand understanding is that journalists are afforded by custom and international treaty a measure of immunity as recorders of current events. This is not always respected : as numerous causulties that occur in trouble spots around the world attest. Thus a pity this protection is not the case in the Ireland of 2016.

Dyr

Cue the usual "that camera man was a skanger/ asking for it" guff

Mongfinder General

The gardai are pretty lightweight in this country. They should have tear gassed the fcuk out of anybody in a track suit and then pistol whipped those bitches

sdanseo

100% the fault of the cameraman. Just because you think it's your legal right to do something doesn't mean it's clever.

Also, whether or not an order is generally lawful can be argued later - in the heat of things it's best the follow Garda instructions. They're not (and for very good reason) going to back down.

Fr_Dougal

They were actually saying 'Quality Street, Caprisun'.

Bunch of hawkers from Moore St., bit further up they were shouting 'Hugo Boss, wrapping paper '.

cormie

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

That's a serious click bait of a title as well.
His camera got a whack.

20Cent wrote: »

The video was taken by an Irish Times journalist he got out of the way in time.

The injured person is an RTE cameraman suppose the big camera on his shoulder meant he was "asking for it.".

There's another video where he gets a pretty hard wallop to the leg, I don't think I can link to it, but it's the whack you hear at 10 seconds in the video in the OP.

My name is URL

Augeo wrote: »

That Garda seems a total gnome, he was actually gesturing to the protesters to come and have a go (as he stepped back to the safety of his colleagues).

Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed that

Zebra3

Mongfinder General wrote: »

The gardai are pretty lightweight in this country. They should have tear gassed the fcuk out of anybody in a track suit and then pistol whipped those bitches

Absolutely.


:rolleyes:

Badly Drunk Boy

RayM wrote: »

To me, that sounded more like 'Get off our street, Nazi scum' (referring to Pegida members, not the Gardai).

Exactly. It was the anti-fascist protesters chanting 'Off our streets, Nazi scum', directed at the Pegida supporters who they chased down North Earl Street.

Zebra3

No surprise on here that supporters of guarda violence are cheering on the attack of a member of the press who posed no threat to anyone. The easy target for some pent up frustrated loser.

Dyr

Berserker wrote: »

I love this type of stuff. That is very timid in comparison to the riot police you'd come across in mainland Europe. They would walk through a group of scrots like that and them some. The police are there to diffuse a potentially dangerous situation. Asking those protesters to move away in a nice gentle tone isn't going to get the job done. I'd hazard a guess that many in that group are known trouble makers.

Au contraire mon ami, dem guards would be ate alive by some of the mental antifa groups in europe.

You can see the heads in that video backed off once the gardai showed up. At one point some little garda runs in alone to stop them giving some lad the digs and they all left it at that. She'd be sent flying in other parts of europe

hatrickpatrick

Jesus Christ.

People have a right to protest. There's no indication from the article or the video that anyone was being violent other than the Gardai who decided pre-emptively that no protest would be allowed.

wyndham

Where were the 'protestors' going anyway? M&L for the lunch special? Or Fusciardis?

JustTheOne

Idiot standing in front of a gard while a riot is going on and standing on the side of the violent mob.

No sympathy.

Manach

Manach wrote: »

My offhand understanding is that journalists are afforded by custom and international treaty a measure of immunity as recorders of current events. This is not always respected : as numerous causulties that occur in trouble spots around the world attest. Thus a pity this protection is not the case in the Ireland of 2016.

In fairness, the cameraman is not exactly Tim Hetherington in a hail of bullets.

The Gardai clearly said get back again and again. The English language is surely the first language for camera men too.

My name is URL

JustTheOne wrote: »

Idiot standing in Dunn of a gard while a riot is going on

How fcuking sheltered is your life that you see that as a riot?

lmao

JustTheOne

My name is URL wrote: »

How fcuking sheltered is your life that you see that as a riot?

lmao

Oh I seen it. They attack a shop where innocent people are working an shopping swinging digs.

It was a riot make no mistake.

Idiots using violence to shut down people they call fascists for their beliefs.

Irony is off the scale.

alane20

Watch rte milk the life out of this, he will be interviewed by that clown D'Arcy on sat night, and will ring aul joe on monday

20Cent

Shouldn't the media be given a pass or avoided in situations like that? They are there to record what is happening rather than being part of it.

RDM_83 again

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

People have a right to protest. There's no indication from the article or the video that anyone was being violent other than the Gardai who decided pre-emptively that no protest would be allowed.

I would argue the same point but take it from a different perspective, a group of citizens (who may have repugnant views but thats aside from the point) have a right to assemble peacefully without being attacked. The Garda here are upholding that right.
I don't deny that the Garda can be aggressive at times but as other posters have pointed out in mainland Europe they would laugh at this as an example of Police brutality (and in the UK and NI too)

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

How fcuking sheltered is your life that you see that as a riot?

lmao

Whether it was a riot isn't that relevant.

Once the Gardai fear a threat to public order they can tell people to leave an area. If you don't obey, well I think the odd rap of a baton is fair enough. Not excessive, not more than necessary to get someone to move.

Ally Dick

Some of those Gardai looked very aggressive and keen to crack a few craniums

Iwasfrozen

The Golden Miller wrote: »

No surprises as the who's first in to defend anything associated with the establishment.

That gaurd seemed like a clown. None of the other gaurds deemed it necessary to behave like him. You can hear him say "come on" to the protesters and motion with his hand. Any sort of power goes straight to some people

The man ignored repeated orders to step back, he didn't step back, the gardaí enforced their instruction. No law broken, this is a nothing news story.

hatrickpatrick

Deleted User wrote: »

Whether it was a riot isn't that relevant.

Once the Gardai fear a threat to public order they can tell people to leave an area. If you don't obey, well I think the odd rap of a baton is fair enough. Not excessive, not more than necessary to get someone to move.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The man ignored repeated orders to step back, he didn't step back, the gardaí enforced their instruction. No law broken, this is a nothing news story.

Just because Gardai are allowed to tell people to leave, doesn't mean we can't object to cases in which they shouldn't. Protests should be allowed to happen unless they turn violent, not just shut down because they might.

BigJackC

The Irish far left have shown themselves to be a horrible bunch through their conduct at today's peaceful march by the PEGIDA group. They left one lad in hospital. What are the Gardai meant to do when a group is violently attacking peaceful protesters?

If there are a certain cohort that cannot respect people's right to protest then they should be criminalised. Jail sentences should be given to leftists that participate in these attacks and public figures who encourage this behaviour should also be punished.

I was looking at some media reports of PEGIDA protests across Europe. German anti PEGIDA protesters were holding up banners saying "bomber Harris do it again."

The self hatred is baffling.

JustTheOne

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Just because Gardai are allowed to tell people to leave, doesn't mean we can't object to cases in which they shouldn't. Protests should be allowed to happen unless they turn violent, not just shut down because they might.

Did you see the footage?

The protestor attacked a shop with violence, seriously?

KomradeBishop

He was clearly pointing his camera lens at the Gardai, in a threatening manner.

Eugene Norman

My name is URL wrote: »

How fcuking sheltered is your life that you see that as a riot?

lmao

Ah the hardest man on boards. Been in dozens of riots. Hundreds. Thousands even.

I find with these things that the gardai is hero or zero depending on who he is hitting. Were this group of thugs the, um, fascists (or people protesting Islam if you prefer) then the gardai would be heroes to those calling them thugs and vice versa.