RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai

suicide_circus

It really is silly behaviour. When opposing a racist group, why act like thugs?

gctest50

suicide_circus wrote: »

It really is silly behaviour. When opposing a racist group, why act like thugs?

cos there isn't much more money to be made from shell-to-sea

my friend

seanin4711 wrote: »

you amaze me!
the camera man needs to record how this manic operates.
I have a lot of sympathy for him.
Cops hate to have their misdeeds recorded.

Ha!

Watch the €2 euro shop fracas video

The only ones that banished and obstructed cameras yesterday were the Red Socialist hard left Nazis

The Red Socialist Nazis are seen ordering cameras out and physically restraining the commercial camera men and photographers

Roaring 'no cameras and cameras out' so the physical assaults they were committing could not be recorded

Now we know who the true fascist Nazis among us are, just as in Germany in the 1930s, it's the socialists

Collie D

my friend wrote: »

Ha!

Watch the €2 euro shop fracas video

The only ones that banished and obstructed cameras yesterday were the Red Socialist hard left Nazis

The Red Socialist Nazis are seen ordering cameras out and physically restraining the commercial camera men and photographers

Roaring 'no cameras and cameras out' so the physical assaults they were committing could not be recorded

Now we know who the true fascist Nazis among us are, just as in Germany in the 1930s, it's the socialists

Are you saying the Nazi party were too leftwing?

discus

Clandestine wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z68yTJWXm5g&feature=youtu.be

Watch this and tell me who the fascists really are

I love the subtitles as the right wing lads are given a beating in the 2euro shop... "The Gardaí turn up to protect the PEGIDA supporters"


Shouldn't that read "Gardaí turn up to intervene and prevent an assault on people who were expressing an alternative opinion"


Socialism - It has a history of this kind of thing you know.

Jimlh86

It's amazing how many experts are on here. I assume they have years of experience dealing with rioting crowds?

Asking nicely for some reason doesn't work!?

The camera man got right up into the front of the mob facing the line of Gardai, he became a part of the problem at that point These rioting clowns see a camera and the play up to it putting Gardai at further risk!

If you're standing in the way of the public order unit after being directed to leave the area you're going to get hit. Simple

Dyr

Jimlh86 wrote: »

It's amazing how many experts are on here. I assume they have years of experience dealing with rioting crowds?

Asking nicely for some reason doesn't work!?

The camera man got right up into the front of the mob facing the line of Gardai, he became a part of the problem at that point These rioting clowns see a camera and the play up to it putting Gardai at further risk!

If you're standing in the way of the public order unit after being directed to leave the area you're going to get hit. Simple

Seems as how your the subject matter expert here Walter, who was ordered to leave the area?

Tigger

Jimlh86 wrote: »

It's amazing how many experts are on here. I assume they have years of experience dealing with rioting crowds?

Asking nicely for some reason doesn't work!?

The camera man got right up into the front of the mob facing the line of Gardai, he became a part of the problem at that point These rioting clowns see a camera and the play up to it putting Gardai at further risk!

If you're standing in the way of the public order unit after being directed to leave the area you're going to get hit. Simple

Arrested, you're gonna get arrested, there was no call to hit the camera guy if he refused to obey an instruction he should have been arrested and charged under the public order act
And the people walking away the same , the baton is for people who resist arrest which is not what was happening

freddiek

I know there wouldn't be too many MENSA members in the Gards but jaysus you'd think he'd be able to distinguish between a media cameraman and these 2 sets of screamers

Jimlh86

Bambi wrote: »

Seems as how your the subject matter expert here Walter, who was ordered to leave the area?

The crowd! They were ordered numerous times

My name is URL

Copy-pasting this from a Reddit thread.

The footage of the RTE News camera being struck with a baton by Gardai while clearly working outraged me, I was looking at the Irish Times video from the same march then and it seems to be the same Garda who hit their cameraman too...

Here's a few angles of the RTE one (cameraman in the red coat in the third-person views)...

FIRST PERSON VIEW

http://imgur.com/JMxEGZa

Taken from video embedded here - http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0206/765936-protest-pegida-dublin/

SECOND ANGLE, THIRD PERSON VIEW, Cameraman left of screen in red

https://giphy.com/gifs/SvjLAkC9DWrLO

Taken from this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFv6ArDBEBY

THIRD ANGLE, AGAIN THIRD PERSON VIEW

http://giphy.com/gifs/12ItJbUr3YIf4c

Taken from this video (2 minutes in...) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REls3JkxzQ

The Irish Times video journalist was also struck by what appears to be the same Garda. See - http://imgur.com/IIHghi2

Taken from the end of this video, which seems to stop abruptly once the camera is hit. Wonder if the strike broke the camera;
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/scuffles-break-out-at-launch-of-anti-immigration-group-in-dublin-1.2525530

It appears to me to be the same Garda. Does anyone have any other footage of him? Was he aiming for cameras continuously? Seems way over-agro...

EDIT: Here are some stills from the striking Garda in both videos, who looks to me is the same person - http://imgur.com/a/Pd5AO

Difference between two is that gloves and badge are on it one, but off in other. However, in the Irish Times video he is holding the gloves in his hand, either having just removed them or just readying them to be worn. Would he have had to remove the gloves to remove the badge?

You can see that at some point the garda removed his id number badge. I wonder why /s

Also at one point he actually reaches over other people to get a strike in at the Irish Times photographer. So much for just wanting to push back the crowd.

discus

Collie D wrote: »

Are you saying the Nazi party were too leftwing?

It's not a linear spectrum - it's almost like a horse show. Go far enough left or far enough right and they both start becoming similar.

Eugene Norman

Tigger wrote: »

Arrested, you're gonna get arrested, there was no call to hit the camera guy if he refused to obey an instruction he should have been arrested and charged under the public order act
And the people walking away the same , the baton is for people who resist arrest which is not what was happening

No. The batons are used in these situations to control or move the crowd. As well as an arrest. The gardai were advancing, it's fairly standard for police to use batons to push a crowd. Including baton charges.

Dyr

Jimlh86 wrote: »

The crowd! They were ordered numerous times

No matey they were ordered to get back.

discus

freddiek wrote: »

I know there wouldn't be too many MENSA members in the Gards but jaysus you'd think he'd be able to distinguish between a media cameraman and these 2 sets of screamers

That doesn't matter, media or not they are not exempt from respecting the maintenance of public order.

suicide_circus

There's a lot of flag burners who have got too much freedom and I wanna make it legal for policemen to beat 'em...

Eugene Norman

My name is URL wrote: »

Copy-pasting this from a Reddit thread.



You can see that at some point the garda removed his id number badge. I wonder why /s

Also at one point he actually reaches over other people to get a strike in at the Irish Times photographer. So much for just wanting to push back the crowd.

The image in the middle? That video showed people clearly advancing towards that cop.

thattequilagirl

Shocked by how many people on here think this Garda's behaviors was acceptable. The cameraman wasn't looting, rioting, chanting. The fact that he was there at all didn't warrant violence. The Garda had a lot to take in and not very long to do so. I'm not going to demonise him, but he reacted on a wrong impulse.

Journalists have an obligation to be as close to the Centre of this stuff as possible. If I was him, I'd be making a report.

discus

Bambi wrote: »

No matey they were ordered to get back.

Yet they didn't.

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

Copy-pasting this from a Reddit thread.



You can see that at some point the garda removed his id number badge. I wonder why /s

Also at one point he actually reaches over other people to get a strike in at the Irish Times photographer. So much for just wanting to push back the crowd.

Why does the camera man in red not wear ID? Is it not usual to have tabard reading Press/TV/RTE?

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

Copy-pasting this from a Reddit thread.



You can see that at some point the garda removed his id number badge. I wonder why /s

You can see it was remove, but not by who!

pgj2015

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Shocked by how many people on here think this Garda's behaviors was acceptable. The cameraman wasn't looting, rioting, chanting. The fact that he was there at all didn't warrant violence. The Garda had a lot to take in and not very long to do so. I'm not going to demonise him, but he reacted on a wrong impulse.

Journalists have an obligation to be as close to the Centre of this stuff as possible. If I was him, I'd be making a report.

The ONE guard in this situation is not the issue here, the anti pegida crowd are just using that to deflect from the thuggish behavior of their members yesterday, bunch of cowards chasing a small group and attacking them. plus it looked like a few locals joined in just to have a go at the Guards, these locals would have just as easily joined the pegida side if it meant having a go at the Guards.

The Guards do a great job, they were to easy on the thugs yesterday if you ask me.

Tigger

Eugene Norman wrote: »

No. The batons are used in these situations to control or move the crowd. As well as an arrest. The gardai were advancing, it's fairly standard for police to use batons to push a crowd. Including baton charges.

He was t telling them to get back he was yelling "come on"
He wasn't moving the crowd he was hitting a cameraman first in the camera to try to break it and the on his legs
It's hard to move back when your legs are sore

Jimlh86

Bambi wrote: »

No matey they were ordered to get back.

Long before that "matey" they were ordered to leave the area remember the Public Order Unit are last resort

Chris_Heilong

I walked down that street around 3:00 yesterday with my young son, I saw a line of gards with batons and attack dogs(German Shepards) lined accross the street blocking people from passing, after seeing the video I am glad I got out of there fast.

Jimlh86

Tigger wrote: »

He was t telling them to get back he was yelling "come on"
He wasn't moving the crowd he was hitting a cameraman first in the camera to try to break it and the on his legs
It's hard to move back when your legs are sore

His legs weren't too sore to make his way into the crowd? Do cameras not have a zoom option? No need for him to be there

Tigger

pgj2015 wrote: »

The ONE guard in this situation is not the issue here, the anti pegida crowd are just using that to deflect from the thuggish behavior of their members yesterday, bunch of cowards chasing a small group and attacking them. plus it looked like a few locals joined in just to have a go at the Guards, these locals would have just as easily joined the pegida side if it meant having a go at the Guards.

The Guards do a great job, they were to easy on the thugs yesterday if you ask me.

I don't mind them hitting thugs who are fight them but hitting the cameramen of our national broadcaster is in xcuseable

RadiationKing

pgj2015 wrote: »

The ONE guard in this situation is not the issue here

I think you'll find the title of the thread is "RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai". So no, actually, it is precisely the issue being discussed.

Maybe if you want to talk about something else you should go make your own thread.

pgj2015

RadiationKing wrote: »

I think you'll find the title of the thread is "RTE cameraman attacked by Gardai". So no, actually, it is precisely the issue being discussed.

Maybe if you want to talk about something else you should go make your own thread.

attacked, talk about dramatic.

Dyr

pgj2015 wrote: »

The ONE guard in this situation is not the issue here, the anti pegida crowd are just using that to deflect from the thuggish behavior of their members yesterday, bunch of cowards chasing a small group and attacking them. plus it looked like a few locals joined in just to have a go at the Guards, these locals would have just as easily joined the pegida side if it meant having a go at the Guards.

The Guards do a great job, they were to easy on the thugs yesterday if you ask me.

The anti pegida crowd in RTE?

Do you lads even try think through this sorta guff before you post it?

freddiek

discus wrote: »

That doesn't matter, media or not they are not exempt from respecting the maintenance of public order.

well out of all the troublemakers he could have struck on either side, why did he pick on a neutral cameraman? should have shown a bit better judgement.

his own organisation is now getting pilloried because of it and his bosses in the Gardai could have done without another headache.

Dyr

Jimlh86 wrote: »

Long before that "matey" they were ordered to leave the area remember the Public Order Unit are last resort

When did that happen matey?
What area? Earl street? Cathedral Street? Dublin city centre in general?
Was that RTE camera man there?

And no matey, the public order unit are'nt a last resort. The lads up on the horseys are

Bongalongherb

Sinn Féin again with their motion 26 & 27 on immigration into the Island of Ireland.

Sinn Féin MEP Lynn Boylan said “we are standing shoulder to shoulder in solidarity to show that there is no place in Ireland today for racism and Islamophobia. There is no place for hate.

8 votes already lost here from your motion 26-27. What a stupid lazy word to use 'Islamophobia' as if it is a phobia. It is a concern.

Bongalongherb

The anti-fascists are actually the fascists, how ironic and unnerving and also crazy. Deluded folk.

roverrules

Collie D wrote: »

I get the Guards do a tough job but some of them are definitely just pumped up and too willing to lash out in these situations. There are people on here who would defend the Guards if they were caught on camera pistol whipping a child for robbing sweets.

The guy had a camera on his shoulder and his back to the Guard. The Guard had to break his line to get to him. He wasn't running at the cordon with a petrol bomb. There's another video of same cameraman getting a good whack across the leg.

If he had his back to the Garda, how come the camera was pointing at him?

TallGlass2

Finished up today...

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0306/1120625-sean-lucey-court/

A garda who struck an RTÉ cameraman with a baton during a rally in Dublin four years ago in what a judge described as an "unjustified act of aggression", has been given a 12-month suspended sentence.

You'd assume that's the Garda's career over anyway.

Snow Garden

How can it take 4 years for 'justice' to be served in a straightforward case like that?

padd b1975

TallGlass2 wrote: »

Finished up today...

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0306/1120625-sean-lucey-court/



You'd assume that's the Garda's career over anyway.

I'd imagine he'll resign before being sacked.

punisher5112

Snow Garden wrote: »

How can it take 4 years for 'justice' to be served in a straightforward case like that?

That's the norm, very very slow.

Irishphotodesk

padd b1975 wrote: »

I'd imagine he'll resign before being sacked.

Assuming that he doesn't appeal to delay things first.

jay0109

Snow Garden wrote: »

How can it take 4 years for 'justice' to be served in a straightforward case like that?

The legal parasites have to get their 30 pieces of silver first

Wanderer2010

jay0109 wrote: »

The legal parasites have to get their 30 pieces of silver first

Does he automatically get fired for having a conviction against him? Or do they legally have to keep him employed until the outcome of an appeal?

Not a surprise though, a Garda doesnt get jailed. If it were anyone else..

Odyssey 2005

pgj2015 wrote: »

attacked, talk about dramatic.

Apparently the judge court thought differently to you...even if it did take 4 years,facts are facts.

mynamejeff

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Not a surprise though, a Garda doesnt get jailed. If it were anyone else..

realistically if it was anyone else he would have gotten a adult caution


but don't let that put you off your wee rant

TallGlass2

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Not a surprise though, a Garda doesnt get jailed.

He did? It's suspended.

Ronin247

Snow Garden wrote: »

How can it take 4 years for 'justice' to be served in a straightforward case like that?

If I was cynical I would suggest he probably needed another 2 or 3 years to qualify for his 20 year pension or something along those lines.

Wanderer2010

TallGlass2 wrote: »

He did? It's suspended.

Jailed means "in jail", freedom taken away. Suspended means out of jail, full freedom.

TallGlass2

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Jailed means "in jail", freedom taken away. Suspended means out of jail, full freedom.

Again, I hate to point to the obvious, it's suspended custodial sentence.

And again seen as you decided to ignore another posters question, why do you feel this man needed this and not an adult caution like anyone else would get?

Wanderer2010

TallGlass2 wrote: »

Again, I hate to point to the obvious, it's suspended custodial sentence.

And again seen as you decided to ignore another posters question, why do you feel this man needed this and not an adult caution like anyone else would get?

Anyone else? You know this as a fact then? Can you tell me the last Guard jailed in this country for assault? Of course it happens but very few and far between.

As for your other point:
Wow, I said im not surprised he didn't get jailed. You retort that he did, its just suspended. The two cannot co exist. Being jailed means being put behind bars and having your freedom taken away. Tonight hes a free man, not behind bars at all. In other words, not jailed. If you have a problem with that logic, then I will have to leave that with you.

TallGlass2

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Anyone else? You know this as a fact then? Can you tell me the last Guard jailed in this country for assault? Of course it happens but very few and far between.

As for your other point:
Wow, I said im not surprised he didn't get jailed. You retort that he did, its just suspended. The two cannot co exist. Being jailed means being put behind bars and having your freedom taken away. Tonight hes a free man, not behind bars at all. In other words, not jailed. If you have a problem with that logic, then I will have to leave that with you.

Most people get Adult Cautions for first time offences. The chap is on a suspended sentence, he is not a free man as you put it. He might not be behind bars but if that fellow steps out of line that is where he will end up and quite swiftly. He has also earned himself a criminal conviction and will most likely lose his job due to this. As a 'free man' he wouldn't have these issues.

I'm not condoning the mans actions, I am interested in why there are lads going around with 200/300 convictions, yet this lad warrants a 1 year suspended custodial sentence for 1 offence!