Spotlight

fisgon

frostyjacks wrote: »

Would this film be fêted as much by Hollywood if it was about child abuse in the Jewish community?

We may never know, for many reasons, but mainly because there is no evidence of the kind of systematic, widespread abuse and cover-up of the abuse of thousands of children by rabbis.

There is no evidence that the rabbis' superiors found out about any abuse, and then moved them on to different synagogues, so they could rape again. There is no evidence that this happened in country after country after country, in exactly the same way, involving now tens if not hundreds of thousands of children.

But don't mind about that, just stick your head in the sand and keep inferring some kind of anti-catholic bias, rather than face up to what actually happened.

fisgon

frostyjacks wrote: »

- Do you believe that the catholic church's handling of the sex abuse it has overseen has been acceptable up until 2000?
Yes

Are you a real person? You realize that you sound like an atheist posing as a defender of the catholic church, in order to portray the worst possible image of catholic apologists?

Do you even realize what you are saying in this one answer? You are basically approving of the widespread facilitation of the rape of children. This is not propaganda, it is not a Jewish-inspired conspiracy theory, this is what happened.

Trent Houseboat

Was the guy in Room catholic?

pauldla

Interior – Boston Globe Office – Daytime. EDITOR is sitting at a desk. Enter REPORTER.

Editor: Jimmy! What have you got for me.
Reporter: Well boss, we've spent the last few months looking into this clerical abuse story.
Editor: Talk to me kid, what have you found.
Reporter: It's bigger than we thought, boss.
Editor: What do you mean?
Reporter: Remember how we thought there were only one or two priests involved?
Editor: Yeah...?
Reporter: It goes deeper, boss.
Editor: What do you mean?
Reporter: It looks like there are a lot more priests. A lot more.
Editor: Gee..how many?
Reporter: Dozens, boss. Dozens. Maybe even more.
Editor: Oh my God..
Reporter: Yeah. And that's not all.
Editor: That's not all?
Reporter: It looks like senior clergy knew.
Editor: They knew?
Reporter: Yeah, they knew all about it, but they just moved them on to other parishes.
Editor: They knew, but just moved them on?
Reporter: That's how it looks. And then they paid off the victims.
Editor: This is huge, kid. Huge. Good job.
Reporter: I gotta hand it to the others, it was a team effort, boss. We've still got a hell of a lot more work to do, but I'm just glad that we're finally getting somewhere with this.
Editor: Yeah, sure, of course. Well, there's only one thing to do now.
Reporter: What's that, boss?
Editor: Check up on what those Jews are doing....

PopePalpatine

frostyjacks wrote: »

- Do you believe that the catholic church's handling of the sex abuse it has overseen has been acceptable up until 2000?
Yes


- Do you believe the Catholic church has adequately compensated victims its actions have lead to the abuse of?
Yes, more than adequate.

- Do you believe it is acceptable for the Vatican to send representatives over to Ireland to interview abuse victims and then accuse abuse victims of lying and claiming that they were only "in it for the money!"?
Yes

- Do you believe in recent times the Church has taken appropriate steps to stop further abuse and report abuse it becomes aware of?
Yes, it's learned it's lessons the hard way.

- Do you believe the Catholic Church in Ireland and the Vatican have freely and openly worked with government and UN investigations into abuses?
Don't know, I'm confident they have taken the necessary steps.

- Do you think it was appropriate for Cardinal Sean Brady to have remained in his position after it came to light that he failed to report abuse he became aware of and his involvement in ensuring an abuse victim agreed to silence?
Yes, better to have a good man at the helm than risk uncertainty. Why this obsession with calling for people's heads every time they drop the ball?

You are beyond hope, especially with your belief that the Church's response before 2000 to clerical abuse was A-OK.

The Black Oil

frostyjacks wrote: »

They claim celibacy is the issue, that it creates a culture of secrecy. Plus the Boston Globe turns a blind eye to child abuse in other institutions.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/dave-pierre/2015/11/22/boston-globes-spotlight-sex-abuse-shows-hypocrisy

One of the points of the film is that the Globe doesn't exactly cover itself glory. iirc, one of the victims depicted stated he sent them files before and there was no pick up/interest from it.

I saw the film a few weeks ago and largely enjoyed it. It's a human story about the legwork involved in long form, investigative journalism. I thought it was a notch or two below being in a class of its own and perhaps a tad too long. I didn't think it would win the Oscar, and well, awards, who ultimately takes them all that seriously in the end?

One of the key lines is: The church thinks in centuries, Mr. Rezendes.

The bottom line is that institutions are often inward looking, frequently protect themselves first and foremost. Move personnel around and hide bad things. With the church, this was backed up by lay members pretty much acting as apologists and hoping the issue would be quietly kicked into touch and a general mindset in Boston parish - don't go looking under that rock. This is not unique to religious institutions. One need only look at some of the stories around the lack of accountability in some Irish health stories.

Any suggestion that it's anti-Catholic is ludicrous and baseless. It's about as anti-Catholic as a bag of potatoes.

robindch

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I heard there's a lotion that could help with your problem.

Lotion, schmotion. That image is blocked here in sunny Indonesia:

pauldla

frostyjacks wrote: »

They claim celibacy is the issue, that it creates a culture of secrecy. Plus the Boston Globe turns a blind eye to child abuse in other institutions.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/dave-pierre/2015/11/22/boston-globes-spotlight-sex-abuse-shows-hypocrisy

Watched it last night. To correct the point above, they do not claim that celibacy is the issue; a character in the film with many years of experience working with priests (and who is himself a clergyman) claims that up to 50% of clergy break their vow of celibacy and have relations with the opposite sex. This creates a culture of silence.

Good movie overall, I thought.

Walter H Price

Having read through this thread the other day , i went to see Spotlight on Saturday, all i can say is what an incredible film.

How anyone could defend the actions of the Catholic Church in relation child sex abuse in this day and age is beyond me.

I was particularly moved by the conflict faced by the female journalists Grand Mother , remembering how hard it was for my own grandparents to come to terms with the abuse scandals here. and seeing the names of the Irish dioceses flash up at the end really just hammered it home.

For a church that was already in massive decline due to its failure to modernise , the abuse sandals initially exposed by the Spotlight team in Boston really had such a profound impact on distancing the young people from the church.