Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - General Thread

RoboRat

Mellor wrote: »

On the topic of grips in judo and BJJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJkwXlmdJJ8

Is that not Kit Dale? In which case this is a complete piss take :-)

Mellor

RoboRat wrote: »

Is that not Kit Dale? In which case this is a complete piss take :-)

It's definitely Kit Dale

arybvtcw0eolkf

RoboRat wrote: »

Grips at lower belt levels can be quite shoddy but as you progress, they tend to be much tighter.

Tighter means nothing until the throw starts. Positioning with grips is very, very important. It takes a long time to get a beginner to loosen up on their grips, for some reason bigger lads are the worse.

NoGi I use body parts, triceps, lats, traps. Plus over/under hooks for both grips and leverage.

MrStuffins

Lads, looking for a bit of advice.

Haven't trained for a while. Moving to Dublin 24 soon and the first thing i'll be doing is getting back into the swing.

There are two SBGs in the area, "Tallaght" and "Dublin 24". Does anyone have any experience of either? I know Paddy H. moved from the former to the latter and there were some.... bad feelings left behind. Anyone know if one is superior to the other?

Ideally in the medium to long term, i'd like somewhere with morning classes so I could roll before work. I know SBG Concorde has classes (it'll be a 15 min cycle for me) but they seem to be more expensive than other spots.

I work in town for morning classes in the city centre is another option but a 6am start in town might not be ideal.

I know Royal Grappling Academy do mornings but it's too far for me.

Anyone any advice? Maybe other options I haven't thought of?

Tazzimus

Both have top notch coaches so it'd be a case of whichever takes your fancy really

rossi.

MrStuffins wrote: »

Lads, looking for a bit of advice.

Haven't trained for a while. Moving to Dublin 24 soon and the first thing i'll be doing is getting back into the swing.

There are two SBGs in the area, "Tallaght" and "Dublin 24". Does anyone have any experience of either? I know Paddy H. moved from the former to the latter and there were some.... bad feelings left behind. Anyone know if one is superior to the other?

Ideally in the medium to long term, i'd like somewhere with morning classes so I could roll before work. I know SBG Concorde has classes (it'll be a 15 min cycle for me) but they seem to be more expensive than other spots.

I work in town for morning classes in the city centre is another option but a 6am start in town might not be ideal.

I know Royal Grappling Academy do mornings but it's too far for me.

Anyone any advice? Maybe other options I haven't thought of?

Isn't Spartan training centre bjj on the belgard road still? Perhaps someone could reconmend it as a good option.

Ross

Mellor

MrStuffins wrote: »

There are two SBGs in the area, "Tallaght" and "Dublin 24". Does anyone have any experience of either? I know Paddy H. moved from the former to the latter and there were some.... bad feelings left behind. Anyone know if one is superior to the other?

I've never trained at either, and have no clue who the coaches are at SBG Tallaght. Just want to make it clear my I'm not trying to be negative towards the Tallaght club.
That said, the coaches at D24 are well know, and known for being competitors everyone speaks pretty highly of them all. THe likes of Paddy, Joey Breslin, and Lee Hammond. I'm 10,000 miles aways, and these are the guys I here about and see online in training/competition videos.

RoboRat

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

Tighter means nothing until the throw starts. Positioning with grips is very, very important. It takes a long time to get a beginner to loosen up on their grips, for some reason bigger lads are the worse.

NoGi I use body parts, triceps, lats, traps. Plus over/under hooks for both grips and leverage.

Apologies, I meant by functionally better when said tighter (as in he has a tighter game now), not physically tighter :-)

RoboRat

MrStuffins wrote: »

Lads, looking for a bit of advice.

Haven't trained for a while. Moving to Dublin 24 soon and the first thing i'll be doing is getting back into the swing.

There are two SBGs in the area, "Tallaght" and "Dublin 24". Does anyone have any experience of either? I know Paddy H. moved from the former to the latter and there were some.... bad feelings left behind. Anyone know if one is superior to the other?

Ideally in the medium to long term, i'd like somewhere with morning classes so I could roll before work. I know SBG Concorde has classes (it'll be a 15 min cycle for me) but they seem to be more expensive than other spots.

I work in town for morning classes in the city centre is another option but a 6am start in town might not be ideal.

I know Royal Grappling Academy do mornings but it's too far for me.

Anyone any advice? Maybe other options I haven't thought of?

Try all 3 and see which suits you better, or which you get a better vibe from. A good coach doesn't mean they are the right choice as the style they are teaching may not suit your game. You could also look at lunch time classes in lieu of morning classes.

Personally, I go with a coach who has a good pressure game as that is my game, I'm 41 with 2 rebuilt knees and as such decreased flexibility. I steer away from leg lock specialists as I train for fun, not competition, and more leg locks means more risk to damaging my knees again. I also don't go with places that focus on a really flexible style such as rubber guard and berimbolo's - not my style and I would just get frustrated.

Go to each and see what suits you both stylistically, financially, locally and timetable wise and make your decision then.

Dave 101

Mellor wrote: »

I've never trained at either, and have no clue who the coaches are at SBG Tallaght. Just want to make it clear my I'm not trying to be negative towards the Tallaght club.
That said, the coaches at D24 are well know, and known for being competitors everyone speaks pretty highly of them all. THe likes of Paddy, Joey Breslin, and Lee Hammond. I'm 10,000 miles aways, and these are the guys I here about and see online in training/competition videos.

The coach in Tallaght is Arek, black belt under John kavanagh, trained under him in Sbg city centre

RoboRat

Anyone following the sandbagging saga on the Irish BJJ Open championships on Facebook?

Raging they took the comments down as I had liked the post to have a look over later and then it was gone :-(

Tazzimus

Do tell...

Sandbagging seems fairly rife, I've had friends as white belts go up against ammy MMA fighters with years of wrestling experience under their belts

RoboRat

From what I have seen...

Carlson Gracie D.15 reported Satori for sandbagging in the kids open. Subsequently a few more clubs came forward and said there were irregularities as some of the kids had competed in grey divisions in other comps but were wearing white belts at the Irish Open. Satori denied this and there was allegedly photo evidence submitted - I didn't see this.

The Irish Open BJJ Championships (IOBJJC) then sent a private email to Satori to investigate, Satori sent their reply to their email list (hundreds of people) and later apologised as they thought it was a public email.

In this email, they also made other allegations including that they felt the IOBJJC were behind the IBJJF Dublin Open, which by all accounts was something that Satori had been trying to organise, but was 'hijacked' and given to another party - allegedly this party is Henrique Saraiva, the coach at Carlson Gracie D15.

Satori later privately apologised to the IOBJJC and retracted the allegations.

The IBJJF Dublin Open was also scheduled to run within days of the Dublin Open (run by Satori) which has run on this date for a few years, so obviously there is a bad feeling.

The net result is that Satori have been suspended from the IOBJJC as a result of the investigations into the allegations and also the subsequent activities that occurred after i.e. the email and allegations.

That's what I have read into it to date, if I am incorrect, feel free to let me know.

MagicIRL

Tazzimus wrote: »

Do tell...

Sandbagging seems fairly rife, I've had friends as white belts go up against ammy MMA fighters with years of wrestling experience under their belts

From what I gathered playing armchair detective:

There was an Irish Kids Open recently and a number of kids from Satori won several medals in the white belt competition.

Carlson Gracie Ireland posted into the Irish BJJ group (The general one where people post seminars, competitions, black belt announcements, etc) claiming that a number of the White Belt Kid's medalists had just recently competed in another Kid's competition but as Grey Belts (i.e. a belt higher than white for kids) and therefore shouldn't have been 1) entered into white belt and 2) are sandbagging the division for other kids who didn't stand a fair chance of winning due to the skill gap/belt gap.

Satori fired back claiming that any child entered into a division above white in previous competitions was done so the child would get matches against other kids - they never held the grey belt, they just wanted their students to get some match experience at the local comp. (fair enough imo)

Carlson Gracie Ireland then came back and said when they confronted the child/child's parent for clarification, the child/child's parent said they're a grey/whatever non-white belt, and the Coach from Satori denied it and claimed the kid was mis-informed.

Things went back and foreword with statements being released from one side, then the other. All we were short of was some bottle throwing at a press conference :pac:

It was then posted online (but seemingly taken down) that the IRISH OPEN 2018 event had banned all Satori students and Coaches from competing in the upcoming tournament.

I don't know who's behind the competition, and I don't know any other details other than what has been alleged on Facebook.

TitianGerm

MagicIRL wrote: »

From what I gathered playing armchair detective:

There was an Irish Kids Open recently and a number of kids from Satori won several medals in the white belt competition.

Carlson Gracie Ireland posted into the Irish BJJ group (The general one where people post seminars, competitions, black belt announcements, etc) claiming that a number of the White Belt Kid's medalists had just recently competed in another Kid's competition but as Grey Belts (i.e. a belt higher than white for kids) and therefore shouldn't have been 1) entered into white belt and 2) are sandbagging the division for other kids who didn't stand a fair chance of winning due to the skill gap/belt gap.

Satori fired back claiming that any child entered into a division above white in previous competitions was done so the child would get matches against other kids - they never held the grey belt, they just wanted their students to get some match experience at the local comp. (fair enough imo)

Carlson Gracie Ireland then came back and said when they confronted the child/child's parent for clarification, the child/child's parent said they're a grey/whatever non-white belt, and the Coach from Satori denied it and claimed the kid was mis-informed.

Things went back and foreword with statements being released from one side, then the other. All we were short of was some bottle throwing at a press conference :pac:

It was then posted online (but seemingly taken down) that the IRISH OPEN 2018 event had banned all Satori students and Coaches from competing in the upcoming tournament.

I don't know who's behind the competition, and I don't know any other details other than what has been alleged on Facebook.

Why would you confront the child?

Also in our club most parents wouldn't have a clue what belt the child has in relation to the grading system. They just want the kid to enjoy themselves and get some exercise.

To be honest it sounds a little harmless. Satori have loads of grading photos on their Facebook page so it'd be very easy to see if someone was on a higher belt.

RoboRat

Why would you confront the child?

I agree, this is bad form.

Also in our club most parents wouldn't have a clue what belt the child has in relation to the grading system. They just want the kid to enjoy themselves and get some exercise.

I disagree there, most parents I interact with know what belt their kid is, plus I don't think a kid doesn't know what grade they are. My son is 5 and he knows what belt he is.

I agree that kids want to enjoy themselves but at the same time, where is the enjoyment if they are being smashed by a kid with a lot more training. There is a reason why the brackets are by belt/ age and that is to make sure it's fair and safe. I can't find any excuse for kids wearing a white belt when they are a higher grade in competition.... likewise I cant find any excuse for adults sandbagging either.

To be honest it sounds a little harmless. Satori have loads of grading photos on their Facebook page so it'd be very easy to see if someone was on a higher belt.

From what I read, that is what happened and those photo's were used.

I do think that there is a lot more to this, especially between CG and Satori but rules are rules and I cant blame the IOBJJC for acting, you can't be seen to turning a blind eye to sandbagging, it's not fair and most importantly, it's not safe.

Mellor

RoboRat wrote: »

I disagree there, most parents I interact with know what belt their kid is, plus I don't think a kid doesn't know what grade they are. My son is 5 and he knows what belt he is.

I could understand if a parent don't know if there kid was a solid orange, or a striped orange. But I can't imagine a parent is washing a white belt for a few months and doesn't notice that it is suddenly grey one day.

RoboRat

Mellor wrote: »

I could understand if a parent don't know if there kid was a solid orange, or a striped orange. But I can't imagine a parent is washing a white belt for a few months and doesn't notice that it is suddenly grey one day.

Unless they're not washing the belt which begs the question.... is sandbagging worse than not washing your belt

Mellor

Also, lol Brazilians and their drama.
All over the world, nothing changes

Tazzimus

Mellor wrote: »

Also, lol Brazilians and their drama.
All over the world, nothing changes

I remember having a good giggle at Jorge Santos at the last competition I went to. Absolutely losing the plot during a match.

They do love their dramatics

Martian Martin

Mellor wrote: »

Also, lol Brazilians and their drama.
All over the world, nothing changes

THIS!

Jimjamwood

Mellor wrote: »

Also, lol Brazilians and their drama.
All over the world, nothing changes

They did cheat though didn't they?

MagicIRL

Jimjamwood wrote: »

They did cheat though didn't they?

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eeloe

Anyone here training with psoriasis?

I have patches of it on my elbows which aren’t an issue, I have quite bad patches on my legs which are. Training all last year wasn’t really a big deal, my coaches and training partners at the time know it’s nothing contagious and it didn’t phase them.

Toward the end of the summer some new people joined and I saw it was getting some strange looks when the legs of my Gi pants went up, no big deal, I started wearing spats underneath the gi.

Now that the temperatures are starting to rise, i’m starting to suffer, half way through the warm up i’m sweating buckets, and I know it’s from the spats and long sleeve rashies. I’m absolutely dreading the summer, last summer was sticky....this summer is going to be nasty wearing basically no gi gear underneath my gi, i’m half afraid i’m going to dehydrate mid roll and pass out.

TitianGerm

eeloe wrote: »

Anyone here training with psoriasis?

I have patches of it on my elbows which aren’t an issue, I have quite bad patches on my legs which are. Training all last year wasn’t really a big deal, my coaches and training partners at the time know it’s nothing contagious and it didn’t phase them.

Toward the end of the summer some new people joined and I saw it was getting some strange looks when the legs of my Gi pants went up, no big deal, I started wearing spats underneath the gi.

Now that the temperatures are starting to rise, i’m starting to suffer, half way through the warm up i’m sweating buckets, and I know it’s from the spats and long sleeve rashies. I’m absolutely dreading the summer, last summer was sticky....this summer is going to be nasty wearing basically no gi gear underneath my gi, i’m half afraid i’m going to dehydrate mid roll and pass out.

Why don't you say to the new people that you have psoriasis?

eeloe

It’s just easier to cover it than have to go in to a big speil about it.

I was planning on competing later this year also, has anyone been refused entry to a comp with it?

feelpablo

eeloe wrote: »

Anyone here training with psoriasis?

I have developed some patches of this in the last year...

two small ones on my wrists that don't really annoy me but i have a large one that covers the full of my about an inch radius and its full time flaking and of course because it os what it is the odd break in the skin.

I found a few Facebook posts about a baby cream that was supposed to be very good and i have started using this for the last three weeks with really good results.

Its called childs farm baby moisturiser it can be got in boots and telcos and the likes and its about 7 euro for a large tub

RoboRat

I would recommend trying E45 or if that doesn't work try subbing your shower gel/ soap for Aqueous cream.

In regards to the spats, sub them for calf compression sleeves or a tubular bandage (washable one) and do likewise for the arms - realistically if it's only for when you're wearing the gi, you only need to cover the calves/ forearms. Alternatively, find a lighter rashguard.

eeloe

I've got the Childs Farm baby cream, been using it for a while, doesn't really do much for me unfortunately! waiting on a dermatologist appointment at the moment, could be months before i get one tho, so i'm just gonna have to sit it out!

With competing, the elbows aren't so bad, and thankfully, where i have the patches, i also have them tattooed, so they aren't noticeable at all, so i can of course compete without a rash guard. Is it possible to wear spats under ibjjf rules?

arybvtcw0eolkf

eeloe, have you discussed your condition and concerns with your coach?.

My suggestion would be to discuss with with your coach, it may be possible that he or she may not have had to deal with this in the club but a coach worth anything will go and find answers for you.

They'll also make representations for you should a problem arise re. competing.