Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - General Thread

The Baron of Ballymun

emmetkenny wrote: »

A lot of clubs don't allow people to roll for the first few weeks.

To easy for a new person to not tap or hurt someone because they don't know what they are doing.

They didnt say but assume this is the reason why... a bit frustrating for me cos I'm not a "day 1 beginner" but it is what it is just got to "roll" with it (see what i did there)

TitianGerm

The Baron of Ballymun wrote: »

They didnt say but assume this is the reason why... a bit frustrating for me cos I'm not a "day 1 beginner" but it is what it is just got to "roll" with it (see what i did there)

I'd say your stuck in a odd position at the minute to be fair, having been at a normal class in a previous club and now back at a beginner class so you'll be a little further on that a lot of people in your class.

The Baron of Ballymun

emmetkenny wrote: »

I'd say your stuck in a odd position at the minute to be fair, having been at a normal class in a previous club and now back at a beginner class so you'll be a little further on that a lot of people in your class.

Yeah kinda I wanted to join the beginners class just to get the basics down thats what I'm getting so i cant really complain.. From reading other comments it seems that this is becoming the norm which seems odd but i can understand the reason for it

The Baron of Ballymun

Mellor wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that's already happened, sadly

Really?? I've heard of people handing out belts but people being afraid to roll seems very strange

arybvtcw0eolkf

I can't see a day when a club will allow a member not to roll in class, but it infuriates me that people can grade and go up through the ranks without competing.

Technical grades are all well and good but I believe people should be tested in competition too.

Chris89

Depends on whos in attendance, but for our beginners class - while we do not do full rolling, we can isolate the position and spar from there eg mount/closed guard/side control.

Starting from these points of 'control' usually eliminates a lot of the potential risks that two beginners sparring usually encounter.

Its case by case for me though of course, if youve played contact sports or competed in other martial arts before - by all means have a roll.

Chris89

Also, believe me - therell be PLENTY of time for rolling later! haha

darced

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Chris89

I dont believe Competition is Necessary to rank up at all, some of the toughest grapplers i know dont compete.

Whats important is sparring.

TitianGerm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

I can't see a day when a club will allow a member not to roll in class, but it infuriates me that people can grade and go up through the ranks without competing.

Technical grades are all well and good but I believe people should be tested in competition too.

I've competed three times at white belt level.

Since I got my Blue I haven't competed at all yet (nearly 18 months) and that's down to three things, injuries, work and cost.

By the time I pay my bills at the end of the month I've very little left over and to me I'd prefer to spend €50 on a 3 hour seminar rather than €50 to roll twice in competition.

RoboRat

Really?? I've heard of people handing out belts but people being afraid to roll seems very strange

I heard a black belt say they were a technical black belt and didn't do competitions or a lot of rolling. I also saw said black belt roll and it was terrible.

Personally, I don't do competitions as I have 2 rebuilt knees. I did 2 comps and being honest, I am not risking another knee surgery for a piece of metal. I roll hard with club mates but I am comfortable with them because they know my history.

In regards to the white belts not rolling, I agree that 2 newbies rolling together is a recipe for disaster and I would assume that they are not rolling because its a beginners class so there might not be any more experienced members present.

I have had a few bad experiences rolling with newbies, especially the ones who think they are training for the UFC or are gym nuts who think that they can power out of anything.

Thankfully they usually don't stick around but there is nothing worse than rolling light trying to allow them to understand position and they are grabbing fingers and toes, elbowing you in the face and worse of all knees to the nuts... or the ones who think they are kings because they managed to sweep you when you are going about 30% and start bragging about it >>> don't be this person, next time the more experience grappler won't be taking it easy!

TitianGerm

RoboRat wrote: »

I have had a few bad experiences rolling with newbies, especially the ones who think they are training for the UFC or are gym nuts who think that they can power out of anything.

Thankfully they usually don't stick around but there is nothing worse than rolling light trying to allow them to understand position and they are grabbing fingers and toes, elbowing you in the face and worse of all knees to the nuts... or the ones who think they are kings because they managed to sweep you when you are going about 30% and start bragging about it >>> don't be this person, next time the more experience grappler won't be taking it easy!

Newbies trying to power out of everything and heavier guys trying to squash you or use all their weight to out muscle you are a nuisance.

I had to roll with a guy 30kg heavier than me after about his 3/4th week and he was just trying to kill me.

I moved in low leaving a guillotine there for him to put on because we had drilled it the night before and I wanted him to see it coming in a roll to see could he manage it. He nearly pulled my head off twisting and yanking at my neck.

I didn't leave anything there for him after that.

The Baron of Ballymun

RoboRat wrote: »

I heard a black belt say they were a technical black belt and didn't do competitions or a lot of rolling. I also saw said black belt roll and it was terrible.

Personally, I don't do competitions as I have 2 rebuilt knees. I did 2 comps and being honest, I am not risking another knee surgery for a piece of metal. I roll hard with club mates but I am comfortable with them because they know my history.

In regards to the white belts not rolling, I agree that 2 newbies rolling together is a recipe for disaster and I would assume that they are not rolling because its a beginners class so there might not be any more experienced members present.

I have had a few bad experiences rolling with newbies, especially the ones who think they are training for the UFC or are gym nuts who think that they can power out of anything.

Thankfully they usually don't stick around but there is nothing worse than rolling light trying to allow them to understand position and they are grabbing fingers and toes, elbowing you in the face and worse of all knees to the nuts... or the ones who think they are kings because they managed to sweep you when you are going about 30% and start bragging about it >>> don't be this person, next time the more experience grappler won't be taking it easy!

hahaha i think that is the best advice i've learned on here "dont piss off the experienced grappler".. just on the knee to the balls thing silly question but should i invest in a cup some lads i know dont wear them cos they are uncomfortable and it can be painfully for their opponent should they take their back, like it can dig into people’s back almost an unfair advantage

TitianGerm

The Baron of Ballymun wrote: »

hahaha i think that is the best advice i've learned on here "dont piss off the experienced grappler".. just on the knee to the balls thing silly question but should i invest in a cup some lads i know dont wear them cos they are uncomfortable and it can be painfully for their opponent should they take their back, like it can dig into people’s back almost an unfair advantage

You can't wear a cup in competition so you might as well get used to rolling without one.

Evening folks, looking for advice. Did some martial arts when I was a kid and absolutely loved it but had to stop because the dojo closed. Intended to start again in college and went to a karate class but the black belt taking the class was not a nice guy and seemed to really want to humiliate the newcomer and it put me off and I gave up.

I think I've finally got over that now and I'm ready to give it another shot! BJJ seems to be very popular so I'd like to give it a go, mainly for fitness and just the general physical and mental health benefits and a bit of a social aspect would be an added bonus.

I live in the Ranelagh/Rathmines area and my only mode of transport is a bike so southside or city centre gyms would be preferrable, can anyone recommend anywhere welcoming to beginners? Also seems to be hard to get any info on how much classes generally cost, is it paid per class or membership or does it very?

If anyone with experience or better yet a recent beginner with a good recommendation could point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

TitianGerm

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Evening folks, looking for advice. Did some martial arts when I was a kid and absolutely loved it but had to stop because the dojo closed. Intended to start again in college and went to a karate class but the black belt taking the class was not a nice guy and seemed to really want to humiliate the newcomer and it put me off and I gave up.

I think I've finally got over that now and I'm ready to give it another shot! BJJ seems to be very popular so I'd like to give it a go, mainly for fitness and just the general physical and mental health benefits and a bit of a social aspect would be an added bonus.

I live in the Ranelagh/Rathmines area and my only mode of transport is a bike so southside or city centre gyms would be preferrable, can anyone recommend anywhere welcoming to beginners? Also seems to be hard to get any info on how much classes generally cost, is it paid per class or membership or does it very?

If anyone with experience or better yet a recent beginner with a good recommendation could point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

Is Mounkstown far from Rathmines? ECJJ is out on the Mounttown Industrial Estate.

emmetkenny

emmetkenny wrote: »

Is Mounkstown far from Rathmines? ECJJ is out on the Mounttown Industrial Estate.

Thanks for the reply, it's probably about a 45 minute cycle which is a bit further than I'd like to be cycling a couple of times a week to be honest.

TitianGerm

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Thanks for the reply, it's probably about a 45 minute cycle which is a bit further than I'd like to be cycling a couple of times a week to be honest.

Not sure what else is around South Side but I'm sure someone else might be able to help you out.

Subcomandante Marcos

If you're in the middle of Rathmines you're only about 20 minutes cycle from SBG HQ on the Naas Road.

Mellor

What a guillotine set up

https://twitter.com/AZavala14/status/751209650121482240

Chairman Meow

emmetkenny wrote: »

Newbies trying to power out of everything and heavier guys trying to squash you or use all their weight to out muscle you are a nuisance.

I had to roll with a guy 30kg heavier than me after about his 3/4th week and he was just trying to kill me.

I moved in low leaving a guillotine there for him to put on because we had drilled it the night before and I wanted him to see it coming in a roll to see could he manage it. He nearly pulled my head off twisting and yanking at my neck.

I didn't leave anything there for him after that.

Oh my god this.
Im a newbie myself but im smart enough to know my limitations and when i roll i roll fairly easy going. I dont spaz and try to think about what im doing. I had to roll with a noob last week who easily had 3 or 4 stone in weight advantage and he just ****ing flung me to the floor and pounced on me. Used all his weight to just lie on top of me and crush me. And this was after he asked ME to go roll light cause he was "injured" :rolleyes:

RoboRat

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Evening folks, looking for advice. Did some martial arts when I was a kid and absolutely loved it but had to stop because the dojo closed. Intended to start again in college and went to a karate class but the black belt taking the class was not a nice guy and seemed to really want to humiliate the newcomer and it put me off and I gave up.

I think I've finally got over that now and I'm ready to give it another shot! BJJ seems to be very popular so I'd like to give it a go, mainly for fitness and just the general physical and mental health benefits and a bit of a social aspect would be an added bonus.

I live in the Ranelagh/Rathmines area and my only mode of transport is a bike so southside or city centre gyms would be preferrable, can anyone recommend anywhere welcoming to beginners? Also seems to be hard to get any info on how much classes generally cost, is it paid per class or membership or does it very?

If anyone with experience or better yet a recent beginner with a good recommendation could point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

Chris Bowe is in Dundrum, legit black belt and all round nice guy. Heard good things about wild geese mma on Pearse street and Jorge Santos is on Parnell street plus a new one I think in Smithfield too.

darced

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Mellor

darced wrote: »

Thats a go to of my own from top turtle, never seen it done standing before.

I don't go for enough guillotines.
Probably hit 5 ever, in training.

JimLahey

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Evening folks, looking for advice. Did some martial arts when I was a kid and absolutely loved it but had to stop because the dojo closed. Intended to start again in college and went to a karate class but the black belt taking the class was not a nice guy and seemed to really want to humiliate the newcomer and it put me off and I gave up.

I think I've finally got over that now and I'm ready to give it another shot! BJJ seems to be very popular so I'd like to give it a go, mainly for fitness and just the general physical and mental health benefits and a bit of a social aspect would be an added bonus.

I live in the Ranelagh/Rathmines area and my only mode of transport is a bike so southside or city centre gyms would be preferrable, can anyone recommend anywhere welcoming to beginners? Also seems to be hard to get any info on how much classes generally cost, is it paid per class or membership or does it very?

If anyone with experience or better yet a recent beginner with a good recommendation could point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

I recently gave BJJ a try in Jorge Santos gym on Parnell street just beside the cinema.

I had no martial arts experience and no clue what I was doing starting off but everyone was very welcoming and friendly. First class was free too!

jimmii

JimLahey wrote: »

I recently gave BJJ a try in Jorge Santos gym on Parnell street just beside the cinema.

I had no martial arts experience and no clue what I was doing starting off but everyone was very welcoming and friendly. First class was free too!

Is it not round the corner from the cinema on Capel St or did they move? I went there a few times too really enjoyed it and definitely very friendly.

Marty_Orr

The Baron of Ballymun wrote: »

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone could recommend a good jiu jitsu club in north Dublin/City Center.. I've been training the past few weeks with a club in the finglas area but because i work in the city center i can never make the beginners class which starts at 6 so i end up doing the the advanced class. I know you guys are gonna say you will only get better by training with better people but it's not very encouraging when you spend the whole roll just trying to survive and if I do get in a good position i dont have the basics to make any use of it.. I've heard mixed reviews about Jorge Santos place so any advice would be a huge help

I'm at Andre Ramos on Hardwicke street near Parnell Square and I can't recommend it enough. Really lovely people

Chairman Meow

jimmii wrote: »

Is it not round the corner from the cinema on Capel St or did they move? I went there a few times too really enjoyed it and definitely very friendly.

Moved to Parnell Street. Just across the road from the Parnell St entrance to the Ilac centre.

Im feeling good today. I managed to hit a bunch of sweeps that actually worked last night, (i looked them up on youtube the night before lol..some ankle picks when starting on the knees, and hit another guy with the "idiot trip"), landed my first ever submissions too. Americana and an armbar. Normally im the one getting rekt every class, and im sure next class ill be getting smashed again but its good to know not everything i do is totally useless.

jimmii

Better spot for it there good bit more footfall.

Dyr

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Moved to Parnell Street. Just across the road from the Parnell St entrance to the Ilac centre.

Is that not Fantomas?

There has to be at 4-5 bjj venues around parnell square now so

Chairman Meow

Bambi wrote: »

Is that not Fantomas?

There has to be at 4-5 bjj venues around parnell square now so

Nope, i train there so im pretty sure thats where it is

TheSegal

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Moved to Parnell Street. Just across the road from the Parnell St entrance to the Ilac centre.

Im feeling good today. I managed to hit a bunch of sweeps that actually worked last night, (i looked them up on youtube the night before lol..some ankle picks when starting on the knees, and hit another guy with the "idiot trip"), landed my first ever submissions too. Americana and an armbar. Normally i'm the one getting rekt every class, and im sure next class ill be getting smashed again but its good to know not everything i do is totally useless.

I know how you feel! Landed armbars against 3 of the guys who have been training since March of last year, I started in January this year! Usually i'm caught in every variation of a choke I know but not last night Although next Monday i'll probably be absolutely destroyed again...

Chairman Meow

TheSegal wrote: »

I know how you feel! Landed armbars against 3 of the guys who have been training since March of last year, I started in January this year! Usually i'm caught in every variation of a choke I know but not last night Although next Monday i'll probably be absolutely destroyed again...

Congrats man, enjoy it!!

laoch na mona

1st class back in a few weeks ( I hurt my ankle kickboxing and have been resting it as much as possible) the ankle held up just about. Didn't do much rolling but seen as a I missed a few weeks I was just glad to be back on the mats

agent graves

I have sprained my baby toe two days ago.. didnt get stuck in the mats, I just went funny on it.. how long does it take to heal up? Its quite bruised but not really swollen and I can move it about can only bend it to a certain angle and I feels the pain.. any of ye do major damage to the digits?

agent graves

I have sprained my baby toe two days ago.. didnt get stuck in the mats, I just went funny on it.. how long does it take to heal up? Its quite bruised but not really swollen and I can move it about can only bend it to a certain angle and I feels the pain.. any of ye do major damage to the digits?

D.Q

Went to my first ever class in ECJJA on Tuesday. Loved it. We were shown a cross collar GI choke and an armbar from mount. Wouldn't be the most athletic man on earth, so it was akin to trying to speak a different language.

The sparring at the end was a different type of exhausted. Generally speaking, if exercise beats me I can put the weights down, or stop running. I've never been absolutely bolloxed with some other chap on top of me with bad intentions.

All in all, loved it. Definitely going back. Only concern is my absolute novice status with any sort if athletic endeavor. Anyone one here start from absolute zero?

Zero-Cool

I'm doing it 8 months now, absolute zero exercise or martial arts experience before starting it but the fitness definitely comes. It's a mixture of getting fitter but also relaxing more in sparring. Adrenaline tells you go hell for leather as the other new guy most likely is as well but you eventually start to relax in positions and try technique instead of powering through moves. It's so easy to burn yourself out where you get to a point that all you can do is lie there waiting to be subbed

DrPhilG

Zero-cool hits the nail on the head. Learning to relax is a big thing especially if you're unfit starting off.

I started out very overweight and with zero cardio. It really is a skill in itself to learn to relax and not go hell for leather constantly as you just burn out whatever cardio you have.

I'd be holding grips with my coach, just grips in standing position, and he'd tell me off for being too tensed up!

I've been going to BJJ for about a year, but only fairly regular for about 9 months with a 3 month break in the middle due to injury (torn QL) and holidays etc. I love it.

You really need to get there regularly to actually learn and improve and reach the stage where you do the right things without even thinking about it.

BOHtox

Back in to it after a few months off. Jesus found it tough. People who I was beating or giving a good fight to are now absoltely smoking me. I'm delighted they, people who I'd consider my friends, stuck at it and improved their game. Just wondering though what's the best way to improve stamina when rolling? Is it time on the mats rolling? Would a jog twice a week or whatever mean I'm burnout on the mats or would that help too?

Would ideally love to do 4*3 minute rounds with about 2-3 minutes of in between

Dtp1979

BOHtox wrote: »

Back in to it after a few months off. Jesus found it tough. People who I was beating or giving a good fight to are now absoltely smoking me. I'm delighted they, people who I'd consider my friends, stuck at it and improved their game. Just wondering though what's the best way to improve stamina when rolling? Is it time on the mats rolling? Would a jog twice a week or whatever mean I'm burnout on the mats or would that help too?

Would ideally love to do 4*3 minute rounds with about 2-3 minutes of in between

Roll, roll and more rolling

Mellor

Gordon Ryan is really really good at Ashi/SLX and the log lock game.
Why would you put your hips anywhere near his hips, when it's clearly what he wants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxoydFVCnU

Mellor

BOHtox wrote: »

Just wondering though what's the best way to improve stamina when rolling? Is it time on the mats rolling? Would a jog twice a week or whatever mean I'm burnout on the mats or would that help too?

Some people talking about need specific fitness. ie BJJ fitness, running fitness, swimming fitness, etc. That they are able to go for longer because they've trained that specific fitness, rather than general cardio fitness. But I'm not a big subscriber to that theory tbh.
Your muscles/heart/lungs don't know what activity you are doing. You don't get to tap into a latent endurance reserve for certain sports. But people see otherwise "fit" people getting smoked when trying BJJ/swimming/cycling etc so that buy into it.

I see it as a product of your general cardiovascular fitness, and your ability to do the activity. The fit newbie who runs 10km every sunday is gasping after a 5 min roll because, he is simply not that good at jiu jitsu. Every movement is inefficent, he wasting energy and tire out faster than his opponent. Similarly, the overweight purple belt, who does no cardio ever can roll all day - because he is way more efficient.

If the output is the product of those two aspects, then you'll improve fastest by working on both aspects. Roll more, do more jiu jitsu to improve your technical output, and work on you cardio/fitness to improve your physical outpu. Goes without saying that everyone can always improve the technical side, but there are probably diminishing returns of the cardio side. Once it's at a decent level you are fine, no point taking away from other training to develop olympic level cardio.



TL;DR
Train more jiu jitsu to move better. Work on your cardio separately if you feel your fitness has fallen.

Dtp1979

Mellor wrote: »

Gordon Ryan is really really good at Ashi/SLX and the log lock game.
Why would you put your hips anywhere near his hips, when it's clearly what he wants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLxoydFVCnU

Did he bait yer man by actual giving him full mount?

DrPhilG

I'm finding some improvement in my game just by getting in twice a week and rolling more. But my overall fitness is still terrible. It has improved from rolling of course but I'm also trying to get some running and swimming done to improve my overall fitness and reduce weight.

Hopefully they will be mutually beneficial.

Mellor

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Did he bait yer man by actual giving him full mount?

Pretty much. It was an escape to SLX. And he's one of Danaher/Renzo's top guys, and they renown for their SLX/Heel Hook game.

He could have pulled guard, worked to that position and got the same finish. But'd he'd have faced lots of resistence. In the above the other guy got into position for him.

darced

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Subcomandante Marcos

Joey mofukin Diaz just earned his Blue Belt.

What a hero!!!



https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/3-years-joey-diaz-earned-blue-belt/

Mellor

Makikomi, who says judoka can't fight on the ground!

Here's some cool Newaza from the Olympics.

https://twitter.com/dps831/status/762104345475227650/video/1

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mellor wrote: »

Makikomi, who says judoka can't fight on the ground!

Here's some cool Newaza from the Olympics.

https://twitter.com/dps831/status/762104345475227650/video/1

Of the four ways to win a Judo fight, three are on the ground ~ chokes/strangles, hold down & joint locks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa_W6e6qhVY