is the peace process only a tactical ceasefire for sinn fein

johal

watching Gerry Adams talking about the special criminal court last night i cant help but think the peace process is only a tactic. While sinn fein try to dismantle the only way the public have of getting a conviction against certain criminals, the people voting for him in louth are drinking water contaminated with diesel laundering sludge dumped by the very people he is ensuring that they will never get convicted when caught,
He has no intrest in anything only a 32 county ireland at any cost.

BMJD

I think you're looking for the conspiracy theories forum

Ren2k7

johal wrote: »

watching Gerry Adams talking about the special criminal court last night i cant help but think the peace process is only a tactic. While sinn fein try to dismantle the only way the public have of getting a conviction against certain criminals, the people voting for him in louth are drinking water contaminated with diesel laundering sludge dumped by the very people he is ensuring that they will never get convicted when caught,
He has no intrest in anything only a 32 county ireland at any cost.

Oh FFS.

Ren2k7

Can I ask, why are so many fervent anti SFers so against a United Ireland? Many also being Gaelers. Is it because SF is for a 32 county Ireland so FG supporters therefore choose to oppose unification? If so I'd remind them that their hero Collins (supposedly a FGer now) was directing IRA operations in the North against the fanatical Orange state right up until his death.

IrishTrajan

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Can I ask, why are so many fervent anti SFers so against a United Ireland? Many also being Gaelers. Is it because SF is for a 32 county Ireland so FG supporters therefore choose to oppose unification? If so I'd remind them that their hero Collins (supposedly a FGer now) was directing IRA operations in the North against the fanatical Orange state right up until his death.

I'm anti-Sinn Fein because they're stupid. I also support a United Ireland, and plan on voting Fine Gael. Are you just ranting?

johal

No sinn fein spokesperson has ever addressed the matter of the unionist population in the north.

Forcing them into a 32 county socialist state means only one thing a new civil war.

Its very easy to make a statement that appeals to the majority of the people of the south about a 32 county state but another in telling us how it is going to achieve it.

sinn fein are not being realistic with the people about this. it mirrors their grasp on their financial position . eg they are going to tax people extra over 100,000 euro and employ extra hospital consultants who after tax can earn 3 or 4 times this salary in the us or canada or australia.

dream on

Ren2k7

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I'm anti-Sinn Fein because they're stupid. I also support a United Ireland, and plan on voting Fine Gael. Are you just ranting?

No. Many Gaelers do actually oppose a UI for some bizarre reason.

johal wrote: »

No sinn fein spokesperson has ever addressed the matter of the unionist population in the north.

Forcing them into a 32 county socialist state means only one thing a new civil war.

Its very easy to make a statement that appeals to the majority of the people of the south about a 32 county state but another in telling us how it is going to achieve it.

sinn fein are not being realistic with the people about this. it mirrors their grasp on their financial position . eg they are going to tax people extra over 100,000 euro and employ extra hospital consultants who after tax can earn 3 or 4 times this salary in the us or canada or australia.

dream on

I'll just remind you that SF had to correct FG's own fiscal sums in this election.

R P McMurphy

johal wrote: »

No sinn fein spokesperson has ever addressed the matter of the unionist population in the north.

I take it you are not very familiar with the Sinn Fein unionist outreach programme. Why not try to educate yourself before spewing forth absolute rubbish

johal

Outreach program my arse . we will see your outreach program when the marching season starts again . same as last year and the year before.

What there is in the north is a form of segregation, peoples attitude has not changed since the start of the peace process. I have many friends in the north who told me about this.

Ren2k7

johal wrote: »

Outreach program my arse . we will see your outreach program when the marching season starts again . same as last year and the year before.

What there is in the north is a form of segregation, peoples attitude has not changed since the start of the peace process. I have many friends in the north who told me about this.

Are you a unionist by any chance?

johal

No

armaghlad

Johal perhaps you might want to familiarise to yourself with the Good Friday Agreement. Unionists are bound by this and it's workings. The majority of people in NI voted for it. It isn't the sole responsibility of SF to welcome Unionists into any unified state, however I'd like to think they; and all other parties would endeavour to do so. As for Loyalists, their influence has steadily decreased over the years and is becoming non existent. I don't they will have the capabilities of mounting any form of military action, not without being propped up by British military spooks.

Manic Moran

This thread seems to have no relevance to the military forum. Moving.

ancapailldorcha

This is a forum for serious discussion. I'll leave the thread open but will ask that newcomers to this forum take the time to familiarise themselves with our charter.

R P McMurphy

johal wrote: »

Outreach program my arse . we will see your outreach program when the marching season starts again . same as last year and the year before.

What there is in the north is a form of segregation, peoples attitude has not changed since the start of the peace process. I have many friends in the north who told me about this.

Ok so what about the marching season and Sinn Fein? What is your point? Or do you have one at all? There is a parades commission to make determinations on contentious routes. The OO parades certainly wouldn't be my cup of tea but if people want to engage in a non confrontational manner within areas where people want them then they should be free to work away. The bonfires and the like should be banned immediately on environmental and public safety grounds. The fact they are allowed go ahead in built up areas every year is a disgrace.

I think you may be confused about who is marching

YerMan420

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Ok so what about the marching season and Sinn Fein? What is your point? Or do you have one at all? There is a parades commission to make determinations on contentious routes. The OO parades certainly wouldn't be my cup of tea but if people want to engage in a non confrontational manner within areas where people want them then they should be free to work away. The bonfires and the like should be banned immediately on environmental and public safety grounds. The fact they are allowed go ahead in built up areas every year is a disgrace.

I think you may be confused about who is marching

tbh they´ll just cry about their culture being oppressed and all that stuff

Boreas

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Can I ask, why are so many fervent anti SFers so against a United Ireland? Many also being Gaelers. Is it because SF is for a 32 county Ireland so FG supporters therefore choose to oppose unification? If so I'd remind them that their hero Collins (supposedly a FGer now) was directing IRA operations in the North against the fanatical Orange state right up until his death.

I'm not an FG supporter and wouldn't say I'm opposed to a United Ireland but I don't see it as something that's likely to happen. Have a look at some of these results from the NI Life and Times Survey, it seems to me people in NI are developing their own sense of identity related to, but separate from, both Britishness and Irishness.

end of the road

johal wrote: »

No sinn fein spokesperson has ever addressed the matter of the unionist population in the north.
Forcing them into a 32 county socialist state means only one thing a new civil war.

the unionists would not be able to keep a sustained conflict going any more. the only reason they could during the troubles was because of britain.

YerMan420 wrote: »

tbh they´ll just cry about their culture being oppressed and all that stuff

let them whine and just do it anyway. they can do nothing about it.

Fr Tod Umptious

end of the road wrote: »

the unionists would not be able to keep a sustained conflict going any more. the only reason they could during the troubles was because of britain.



let them whine and just do it anyway. they can do nothing about it.

Spoken like a true Sinn Feiner.

Our way or the highway.

armaghlad

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Spoken like a true Sinn Feiner.

Our way or the highway.

You mean a democrat? After all Sinn Fein are committed to the GFA. These same Unionists don't exactly show too much decorum in reminding Nationalists of their place in the UK any time the opportunity arises.

ted1

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Can I ask, why are so many fervent anti SFers so against a United Ireland? Many also being Gaelers. Is it because SF is for a 32 county Ireland so FG supporters therefore choose to oppose unification? If so I'd remind them that their hero Collins (supposedly a FGer now) was directing IRA operations in the North against the fanatical Orange state right up until his death.

bi it's because it's 2016, the north is bust Britian can't afford to keep it and neither do we , most of our laws are derived from directives from Europe. As the years tick we away we are becoming more integrated with Europe . I don't see any benefit with the 6 counties joing the other 26. Other than Cork becoming the third city as oppose to the second. The gardai and army may recruit more because I can guarantee you that the unionists will put up a fight. Remember after every Union comes a civil war ..

end of the road

ted1 wrote: »

bi it's because it's 2016, the north is bust Britian can't afford to keep it and neither do we , most of our laws are derived from directives from Europe. As the years tick we away we are becoming more integrated with Europe . I don't see any benefit with the 6 counties joing the other 26. Other than Cork becoming the third city as oppose to the second. The gardai and army may recruit more because I can guarantee you that the unionists will put up a fight. Remember after every Union comes a civil war ..

ireland can afford the 6 counties. ireland being united as a country is benefit enough. we need a bigger army and police force anyway, so this would definitely be a good way to make the government fund and resource them properly.

feargale

quote="armaghlad;98778578"]You mean a democrat? After all Sinn Fein are committed to the GFA. These same Unionists don't exactly show too much decorum in reminding Nationalists of their place in the UK any time the opportunity arises.[/quote]

end of the road doesn't seem that committed to the GFA, which sets consent as a sine qua non of a UI.

-v-

end of the road wrote: »

the unionists would not be able to keep a sustained conflict going any more. the only reason they could during the troubles was because of britain.

let them whine and just do it anyway. they can do nothing about it.

ted1

end of the road wrote: »

ireland can afford the 6 counties. ireland being united as a country is benefit enough. we need a bigger army and police force anyway, so this would definitely be a good way to make the government fund and resource them properly.

And how do you propose that we fund them? An increase in taxes?
Ok so that replaces the PSNI, now how do we deal with the I read in terrorist activity from the unionist?

end of the road

ted1 wrote: »

And how do you propose that we fund them? An increase in taxes?
Ok so that replaces the PSNI, now how do we deal with the I read in terrorist activity from the unionist?

unionist terrorism would be small in nature due to the fact they would have no BA supporting them, they would be weak in nature, and with a well funded army and police force it would be easy to lock them up. the money would come from a couple of sources. ending the commital of non serious crimes to be replaced by other methods (for another thread) . raisees in tax will be happening anyway. merging both public services will see savings. we would be able to fund, don't you worry.

Ren2k7

Boreas wrote: »

I'm not an FG supporter and wouldn't say I'm opposed to a United Ireland but I don't see it as something that's likely to happen. Have a look at some of these results from the NI Life and Times Survey, it seems to me people in NI are developing their own sense of identity related to, but separate from, both Britishness and Irishness.

RTÉ/BBC NI Behaviour and Attitudes Poll: 2-16 October 2015



Excluding don't know's:

Unification (Rep):
Yes: 82.5%
No: 17.%%

Unification (NI):
Yes: 41%
No: 59%

The yes vote corresponds almost entirely to the Nationalist vote in NI.

In NI itself, the community breakdown:



Excluding don't know's:

Catholics:
Yes: 80%
No: 20%

Protestants:
Yes: 15%
No: 85%

Godge

Ren2k7 wrote: »

RTÉ/BBC NI Behaviour and Attitudes Poll: 2-16 October 2015



Excluding don't know's:

Unification (Rep):
Yes: 82.5%
No: 17.%%

Unification (NI):
Yes: 41%
No: 59%

The yes vote corresponds almost entirely to the Nationalist vote in NI.

In NI itself, the community breakdown:



Excluding don't know's:

Catholics:
Yes: 80%
No: 20%

Protestants:
Yes: 15%
No: 85%

Were they asked would they like peace on earth in their lifetime? Or wealth for all in their lifetime?

They would get higher levels of support. A question like that is meaningless as the consequences of the decision are not considered at all.

Charles Babbage

The reality is, of course, that a large part of the NI population are in the don't know set. This group can be persuaded if the groundwork is done, which of course it has not been and probably never will by the present useless set of politicians.

timthumbni

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The reality is, of course, that a large part of the NI population are in the don't know set. This group can be persuaded if the groundwork is done, which of course it has not been and probably never will by the present useless set of politicians.

Well SF and Gerry aren't exactly doing much in their unionist outreach programme. As a unionist I hope that Gerry continues as leader for another 100 years. He is great to highlight ugly republicanism in all its glory. Long live the supreme leader....

johal

How can Sinn Fein expect to convince the unionist to join up to their version of a united Ireland when they cannot convince the people in the south.

86.2% of the south rejected Sinn Fein in the election ,

The people supported a party that destroyed the country in the past before Sinn Fein .

The socialist groups got most of the vote of the left , again a rejection of SinnFein

Ren2k7

Godge wrote: »

Were they asked would they like peace on earth in their lifetime? Or wealth for all in their lifetime?

They would get higher levels of support. A question like that is meaningless as the consequences of the decision are not considered at all.

The question was asked and I've shown that MOST Irish people support a UI. Squirm and wriggle all you like but the facts don't share your partitionist POV.

Oh, and the Greens also support a UI and are the only party other than SF that organises on an All-Ireland basis.

Ren2k7

johal wrote: »

How can Sinn Fein expect to convince the unionist to join up to their version of a united Ireland when they cannot convince the people in the south.

86.2% of the south rejected Sinn Fein in the election ,

The people supported a party that destroyed the country in the past before Sinn Fein .

The socialist groups got most of the vote of the left , again a rejection of SinnFein

See post 26.