Brexit consequences for Irish farmers

downcow

Looking from north. I think no deal is now very real possibility.
2nd referendum is out because no one has answer or agreement to what the question would be.
Can’t see how current deal will go through.
Don’t see any other options.

An additional backstop in Irish Sea exactly same as one for Irish border 🙂. That would possibly keep everyone happy

wrangler

Bullocks wrote: »

Bord bia will have to work hard on showing our traceability. They will have to keep as good an eye on the factories as us farmers records

They'd be foolish to get involved in auditing the factories, wouldn't be their remit anyway

grassroot1

wrangler wrote: »

They'd be foolish to get involved in auditing the factories, wouldn't be their remit anyway

We were foolish to let them audit us that wasnt their remit either!

wrangler

grassroot1 wrote: »

We were foolish to let them audit us that wasnt their remit either!

Probably better than the supermarkets organising it

Bullocks

wrangler wrote: »

They'd be foolish to get involved in auditing the factories, wouldn't be their remit anyway

Might be foolish but I wouldn't put it outside their remit either . There is every bit as much chance of something wrong happening meat between processors and retailers than inside a farm gate if not more of a chance I reckon .
But I'm sure the factories wouldn't give them such an easy wayleave into their workplaces as farmers do

greenfield21

The hate for Brits is really coming out now in that Roscommon case. Can't wait for the border.

Suckler

greenfield21 wrote: »

The hate for Brits is really coming out now in that Roscommon case. Can't wait for the border.

Painfully ridiculous. That case has absolutley nothing to do with "The Brits".

Willfarman

Love tommy tier a s take on the border.. build a wall around 9 inches high!

kerryjack

I wish they pulled the pin and fuucjed off sick of it at this stage, never liked them anyway and if we could get a vote to run them out if the north i would die happy.

downcow

kerryjack wrote: »

I wish they pulled the pin and fuucjed off sick of it at this stage, never liked them anyway and if we could get a vote to run them out if the north i would die happy.

Who is “them”?

_Brian

Politicians seem to be capable of settling nothing without at least one all night meeting right upnto the deadline of anything.
Brexit will be no different, I still 100% beleive a fudge of some sort will materialise that allows both the U.K. and EU say to their side that they got the better deal possible. The fudge may be the U.K. remaining or not but I don’t foresee the anarchy that some expect.

I don’t see flights being grounded etc, the fudge document will string enough stuff together to keep things going. Same for beef exports to U.K., I expect something will be done to keep Irish beef moving to the uk, damn sure Europe won’t want to see us turning to
Mainland Europe to offload beef, French farmers would burn it at the ports, i can’t t see an intervention scheme starting either due to cost.

Willfarman

In terms of movement of people north is going to find itself with a soft border made of hard ground between the south and a hard border made of soft water between Britain. And it’s going to take an insane amount of waffling and northie tantrums to get to that point.
There will be a trade deal no doubt about that.

Willfarman

In terms of movement of people the north is going to find itself with a soft border made of hard ground between the south and a hard border made of soft water between Britain. And it’s going to take an insane amount of waffling and northie tantrums to get to that point.
There will be a trade deal no doubt about that.

ganmo

_Brian wrote: »

Politicians seem to be capable of settling nothing without at least one all night meeting right upnto the deadline of anything.
Brexit will be no different, I still 100% beleive a fudge of some sort will materialise that allows both the U.K. and EU say to their side that they got the better deal possible. The fudge may be the U.K. remaining or not but I don’t foresee the anarchy that some expect.

I don’t see flights being grounded etc, the fudge document will string enough stuff together to keep things going. Same for beef exports to U.K., I expect something will be done to keep Irish beef moving to the uk, damn sure Europe won’t want to see us turning to
Mainland Europe to offload beef, French farmers would burn it at the ports, i can’t t see an intervention scheme starting either due to cost.

Remember the deadline was october with the hard deadline in november so the
time for through the night negotiation has passed.
We're in the ratification time now where each member states rubber stamps the deal.

jaymla627

_Brian wrote: »

Politicians seem to be capable of settling nothing without at least one all night meeting right upnto the deadline of anything.
Brexit will be no different, I still 100% beleive a fudge of some sort will materialise that allows both the U.K. and EU say to their side that they got the better deal possible. The fudge may be the U.K. remaining or not but I don’t foresee the anarchy that some expect.

I don’t see flights being grounded etc, the fudge document will string enough stuff together to keep things going. Same for beef exports to U.K., I expect something will be done to keep Irish beef moving to the uk, damn sure Europe won’t want to see us turning to
Mainland Europe to offload beef, French farmers would burn it at the ports, i can’t t see an intervention scheme starting either due to cost.

The eu on its part has belittled the Uk to the point they very well may let the clock rundown and suffer the consequences, a worrying trend was brought up where the top brass ceos and business-heads in London who where pro-eu all along have been turned and appalled by the Eu’s stance throughout the whole process with the lack of leeway given....
Anything is likely to happen at this stage a game of chicken is been played by both sides

kerryjack

downcow wrote: »

kerryjack wrote: »

I wish they pulled the pin and fuucjed off sick of it at this stage, never liked them anyway and if we could get a vote to run them out if the north i would die happy.

Who is “them”?

You know then who came in to this country and took our best land, you know them if you go on holidays to spain take the best spots by the pool. You know them that caused great suffering in south Africa when they wanted to take over the place. Do you know them now.

_Brian

kerryjack wrote: »

You know then who came in to this country and took our best land, you know them if you go on holidays to spain take the best spots by the pool. You know them that caused great suffering in south Africa when they wanted to take over the place. Do you know them now.

Some of my ancestors were Scottish planters, then married “real Irish” catholic’s in subsequent generations.

What do we do, send some back ?? I’ve an few sisters I’d be glad to see gone, or maybe we each chop an arm off and post it somewhere ?

Or Is the fact that they lay with catholic’s get us a pass of some sorts ?

It would be good to know as I’ll not bother going back to work if I’m headed back to Scotland, I say back but I’ve never ever been, I ate haggis once so maybe there’s something to your post after all.

I never holiday in Spain and definitely never harm any Africans, maybe there’s hope for me?

Oh, I’m also an Irish citizen with an Irish passport, I can play tinwhistle a bit, but nonirish dancing, and I think Guinness is awful

downcow

kerryjack wrote: »

You know then who came in to this country and took our best land, you know them if you go on holidays to spain take the best spots by the pool. You know them that caused great suffering in south Africa when they wanted to take over the place. Do you know them now.

By they way you are talking maybe there is a fourth group you didn’t mention. Have a wee look in the mirror and say hello to one of the members

downcow

jaymla627 wrote: »

The eu on its part has belittled the Uk to the point they very well may let the clock rundown and suffer the consequences, a worrying trend was brought up where the top brass ceos and business-heads in London who where pro-eu all along have been turned and appalled by the Eu’s stance throughout the whole process with the lack of leeway given....
Anything is likely to happen at this stage a game of chicken is been played by both sides

Spot on

ganmo

jaymla627 wrote: »

The eu on its part has belittled the Uk to the point they very well may let the clock rundown and suffer the consequences, a worrying trend was brought up where the top brass ceos and business-heads in London who where pro-eu all along have been turned and appalled by the Eu’s stance throughout the whole process with the lack of leeway given....
Anything is likely to happen at this stage a game of chicken is been played by both sides

The body the uk were negotiating with were the EU civil servants, have you ever known civil servants to be flexible.

Willfarman

Those damned Vikings, or is that the romans? Or is it those damned normans? Sure the Scottish planters have Celtic lineage so it can’t be them? The towels on the sun loungers are usually the Germans?

_Brian

jaymla627 wrote: »

The eu on its part has belittled the Uk to the point they very well may let the clock rundown and suffer the consequences, a worrying trend was brought up where the top brass ceos and business-heads in London who where pro-eu all along have been turned and appalled by the Eu’s stance throughout the whole process with the lack of leeway given....
Anything is likely to happen at this stage a game of chicken is been played by both sides

So the British say they are sick of Europe, European rules, European legislation and European people going to work there, they want to be the first country to leave the union.

And then get upset because negotiations are tough going, because they don’t get it all their own way ?? Really, that’s the exact attitude that ran though the Brexit vote in the first place.
The EU negotiations have to be tough, it can’t be seen to be a good deal or easily done to walk away from Europe or there are other nations that would consider it, in no time the union would be gone.

kerryjack

downcow wrote: »

kerryjack wrote: »

You know then who came in to this country and took our best land, you know them if you go on holidays to spain take the best spots by the pool. You know them that caused great suffering in south Africa when they wanted to take over the place. Do you know them now.

By they way you are talking maybe there is a fourth group you didn’t mention. Have a wee look in the mirror and say hello to one of the members

Don't get that one..what group am i in.

Willfarman

kerryjack wrote: »

Don't get that one..what group am i in.

White skinned greedy dairy farmers buying up and leasing all the best land and feckin off to Spain to knock the Germans towels off the sun loungers while some Eastern European milks the cows.. And a bloody big sparkling South African rock on the missus finger.. go back to where ya come from ya hoors!

kerryjack

Willfarman wrote: »

kerryjack wrote: »

Don't get that one..what group am i in.

White skinned greedy dairy farmers buying up and leasing all the best land and feckin off to Spain to knock the Germans towels off the sun loungers while some Eastern European milks the cows.. And a bloody big sparkling South African rock on the missus finger.. go back to where ya come from ya hoors!

LOL great post

kerryjack

You left out fat, mean and bald.

Nekarsulm

kerryjack wrote: »

I wish they pulled the pin and fuucjed off sick of it at this stage, never liked them anyway and if we could get a vote to run them out if the north i would die happy.

I'd say you're safe enough.
There is a 200 mile buffer zone between yourself and NI.

jaymla627

_Brian wrote: »

So the British say they are sick of Europe, European rules, European legislation and European people going to work there, they want to be the first country to leave the union.

And then get upset because negotiations are tough going, because they don’t get it all their own way ?? Really, that’s the exact attitude that ran though the Brexit vote in the first place.
The EU negotiations have to be tough, it can’t be seen to be a good deal or easily done to walk away from Europe or there are other nations that would consider it, in no time the union would be gone.

The Irish government no firsthand what the EU wants/enforces it gets (the guaranting of Anglo senior bond holders illustrates this) but if the Uk don’t blink and wto rules are placed on Irish beef/dairy going into their it will put milk back to 25 cent a litre consevatively and as for beef god only knows, I reckon the Eu would have zero issue making us the scraficial lamb to get their point across and if we are lucky a tiny token payment might come through to farmers

_Brian

jaymla627 wrote: »

The Irish government no firsthand what the EU wants/enforces it gets (the guaranting of Anglo senior bond holders illustrates this) but if the Uk don’t blink and wto rules are placed on Irish beef/dairy going into their it will put milk back to 25 cent a litre consevatively and as for beef god only knows, I reckon the Eu would have zero issue making us the scraficial lamb to get their point across and if we are lucky a tiny token payment might come through to farmers

What your saying is one possibility, but in reality that is to nobody’s benifet so it’s the least likely outcome, single digit probability in my mind.

I still say the great political “fudge” will be produced to somewhat cover all parties involved.

The EU were never ever going to make this straight forward or easy. The Brits are like headless chickens making no sense and given what is going on in public is have little faith that anything professional is going on behind closed doors either.

Yes, this could all go diddys up for Irish farming, myself I feel it’s unlikely.

Willfarman

jaymla627 wrote: »

_Brian wrote: »

So the British say they are sick of Europe, European rules, European legislation and European people going to work there, they want to be the first country to leave the union.

And then get upset because negotiations are tough going, because they don’t get it all their own way ?? Really, that’s the exact attitude that ran though the Brexit vote in the first place.
The EU negotiations have to be tough, it can’t be seen to be a good deal or easily done to walk away from Europe or there are other nations that would consider it, in no time the union would be gone.

The Irish government no firsthand what the EU wants/enforces it gets (the guaranting of Anglo senior bond holders illustrates this) but if the Uk don’t blink and wto rules are placed on Irish beef/dairy going into their it will put milk back to 25 cent a litre consevatively and as for beef god only knows, I reckon the Eu would have zero issue making us the scraficial lamb to get their point across and if we are lucky a tiny token payment might come through to farmers

The sky is falling!!! The eu doesn’t want an ireexit any more than brexit and in the scenario painted above that would be our only real option. Whatever about a euro trade deal there definitely is no chance of any change to to trade between our neighboring islands.. the only time there ever was before that I know of was that gob****e develaras trade war?

Zeebsisgone654

jaymla627 wrote: »

The Irish government no firsthand what the EU wants/enforces it gets (the guaranting of Anglo senior bond holders illustrates this) but if the Uk don’t blink and wto rules are placed on Irish beef/dairy going into their it will put milk back to 25 cent a litre consevatively and as for beef god only knows, I reckon the Eu would have zero issue making us the scraficial lamb to get their point across and if we are lucky a tiny token payment might come through to farmers

The UK have to be let join the WTO first, the EU or any other member could delay or block their membership, must be unanimous approval of their membership

Mad_maxx

kerryjack wrote: »

You know then who came in to this country and took our best land, you know them if you go on holidays to spain take the best spots by the pool. You know them that caused great suffering in south Africa when they wanted to take over the place. Do you know them now.

Was that not the Dutch in South Africa?

Buford T. Justice XIX

_Brian wrote: »

Some of my ancestors were Scottish planters, then married “real Irish” catholic’s in subsequent generations.

What do we do, send some back ?? I’ve an few sisters I’d be glad to see gone, or maybe we each chop an arm off and post it somewhere ?

Or Is the fact that they lay with catholic’s get us a pass of some sorts ?

It would be good to know as I’ll not bother going back to work if I’m headed back to Scotland, I say back but I’ve never ever been, I ate haggis once so maybe there’s something to your post after all.

I never holiday in Spain and definitely never harm any Africans, maybe there’s hope for me?

Oh, I’m also an Irish citizen with an Irish passport, I can play tinwhistle a bit, but nonirish dancing, and I think Guinness is awful

:eek:
That's a Boards ban at the very least:pac:

_Brian

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

:eek:
That's a Boards ban at the very least:pac:

In fairness that would free up some serious time.

jaymla627

Zeebsisgone654 wrote: »

The UK have to be let join the WTO first, the EU or any other member could delay or block their membership, must be unanimous approval of their membership

Wto rules apply its on page 30 of the action plan released today thy exact wording

Waffletraktor

jaymla627 wrote: »

Wto rules apply its on page 30 of the action plan released today thy exact wording

Uk are in wto as associates of the Eu, they will need members to formaly recognise them as independent members(and any t&c's on their membership) 1st. Another thing lost on the cliff edger's.

divillybit

I said wrote: »

Well will it be a disaster or opportunity for us?

Worrying times for the beef sector especially with a no deal brexit looking very likely.. I fear alot of suckler farmers will face a very tough coming year.

charolais0153

divillybit wrote: »

Worrying times for the beef sector especially with a no deal brexit looking very likely.. I fear alot of suckler farmers will face a very tough coming year.

If suckler calfs are bad.finished stock are even worse.

divillybit

charolais0153 wrote: »

If suckler calfs are bad.finished stock are even worse.

Last week's journal on page 8 predicts a steady decline in beef exports over the medium term but I'd be fearful if there was a no deal brexit it will be a big shock to the irish economy and the agricultural sector.. I think your average suckler farmer is particularly exposed. If the beef exports to the UK market are even temporarily stopped in the event of a no deal brexit what kind of uncertainty will that create and indeed costs on beef finishers trying to offload cattle that factories might not have a market for.. it's all only speculation...lets just hope MP's in Westminster will pass Theresa Mays deal in January

wrangler

:D:D

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?attachments/48383342_1179118208912111_8687269816626577408_n-jpg.749832/

SEPT 23 1989

A hard brexit and many of you will go to the wall

I would be signing over your assets to girlfriends and wives

Keep Sluicing

divillybit wrote: »

Last week's journal on page 8 predicts a steady decline in beef exports over the medium term but I'd be fearful if there was a no deal brexit it will be a big shock to the irish economy and the agricultural sector.. I think your average suckler farmer is particularly exposed. If the beef exports to the UK market are even temporarily stopped in the event of a no deal brexit what kind of uncertainty will that create and indeed costs on beef finishers trying to offload cattle that factories might not have a market for.. it's all only speculation...lets just hope MP's in Westminster will pass Theresa Mays deal in January

In reality our own government wouldn't be too concerned about our beef industry as long as the dairy industry continues to forge ahead.
And as a part time beef farmer, i can't blame them. It'd put us out of our delusion that "next year I'll make a profit"

older by the day

Think il go over to the depression thread. There will be a brexit deal, March and April are going to be two very fine months in 2019, great growth, and cattle prices will be good in autum due to scarcity, in other European country's. Milk will be around 33 cent a litre. I wonder is old Moore almanac looking for a guy

alps

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Was that not the Dutch in South Africa?

French, Portuguese, Dutch and British all had a go at South Africa with Britain ruling from early 1800's until Act of

Union
31 May 1910
• Self-governance
11 December 1931
• Republic
31 May 1961
• Current constitution
4 February 1997
Area

divillybit

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...881665026?s=19

Hope this link works, but its of Michael Gove speaking today about tariffs on Beef and Sheep meat in the event of a no deal brexit

Grueller

divillybit wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...881665026?s=19

Hope this link works, but its of Michael Gove speaking today about tariffs on Beef and Sheep meat in the event of a no deal brexit

Not loading for me. What does it say in brief?

divillybit

https://m.thegrocer.co.uk/575140.article?mobilesite=enabled

Sorry about that. Here's a link to another report about Gove's comments today.

greenfield21

Only interesting news I see today is Vacron looking to Brussels for an Agri bailout if a hard brexit. Should be interesting to see how that one works and where the money will go...

80sDiesel

Would sheep farmers do well out of brexit with Welsh lamb getting priced out of European markets?

Cattlepen

80sDiesel wrote: »

Would sheep farmers do well out of brexit with Welsh lamb getting priced out of European markets?

I think the sheep will be the only drystock business that will stick it. Beef finished if tariffs kick in.
In the journal this week it was simply put that minced beef goes to UK at €3.50/kilo, if the tariffs kick in it will cost €7/kilo. Game over