Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

liamog

225km for us.

unkel

irishgrover wrote: »

I reached 185 range today, also a record high :-)

Let me guess. You do quite a bit of motorway driving and you don't like driving below the speed limits?

irishgrover

unkel wrote:

Let me guess. You do quite a bit of motorway driving and you don't like driving below the speed limits?

Yes and yes :-)

unkel

Max is 167km/h real speed (GPS checked), indicated 173km/h. Someone told me

If you want an EV that is faster than that, your only choice is a Tesla...

fitz213

Got to the Midway en route down south on Friday afternoon. There was leaf in just before me. Waited 30mins for them to finish, then plugged in and got "charger problem". Rang esb. To be fair they're always available. They restarted the unit but that didn't work. Then he said to switch off my Bluetooth and mobile data and low and behold it worked! Bizarre that any wireless signal can affect the charger! Thought I'd share that tip!!

I also mentioned that there are quite a few not working at the moment (roscrea and ballincolla - probably why I was queing) and he said "all these new ev users who don't know how to use them and switching off/on their immobilizer which is breaking them"!! Bizarre again that anything a car can do can break them!!

fricatus

fitz213 wrote: »

...switching off/on their immobilizer which is breaking them"!!

Immobiliser, as in anti-theft device? People locking and then unlocking their cars, is that what you mean? Or is it something that’s part of the charger?

fitz213

fricatus wrote: »

Immobiliser, as in anti-theft device? People locking and then unlocking their cars, is that what you mean? Or is it something that’s part of the charger?

He said car immobolizer!!

unkel

Thumbs up with a Marina Blue 172D this evening near Clonsilla. Was that you, miamee ?

Jeditraining1

228km on a charge these days, getting 250 + on a light foot. Great machine.

miamee

unkel wrote: »

Thumbs up with a Marina Blue 172D this evening near Clonsilla. Was that you, miamee ?

That was myself and the OH, he was driving :pac:

Jeditraining1

DrPhilG wrote: »

Best have a day off and read the while forum then, lol.

Grants I can't say much about as I imported a second hand EV.

Running costs are individual to each user. Personally I do about 15k miles a year and my fuel costs are down by about €2k. And the car itself cost me very little more than an equivalent year/mileage ICE, (internal combustion engine).

Charging is a sticky topic. The Irish charging network is in an odd place right now. No money left to expand or even maintain properly, but no way to make money other than billing the users which the esb ecars department seem incapable of doing in a fair manner.

The ESB made a complete haymes of the charging the last time they attempted it. The political pressure and will is there not to introduce anything (€€) until at least 2020 due to the every mounting pressure they are under to meet emission targets. The European courts are looming. The general unofficial school of thought is they will have to incentivise the whole thing more for uptake then over long peroids of time introduce a charging system. This will either be a good or bad thing. It remains to be seen.

Jeditraining1

Deleted User wrote: »

As a sales man, here's a very good selling point, EV for 30,000 kms on night rate electricity will cost 430 Euro's , excluding any free public charging or peak time top ups.

30,000 kms at an average of 5.5 L/100 kms over this entire 30,000 kms will cost around 2,000-2200 Euro's.

Range on the Ioniq in real life should be between 130-200 kms , the Ioniq is supposed to be a bit more efficient than a Leaf.

Fast charge time "estimated" about 30 mins to 80%.

Charge from home at 7 Kw (I think the Ioniq has a 7 Kw ac charger ) ? anyway charge time at 7 Kw would be around 4 hr 30 mins absolutely empty to full, the last few % takes longer doe to balancing the cells. Average would maybe be 3-3.5 less the more it's charged etc etc.

The ESB will install a home charge point of 3.5 Kw so this will take about 8.5-9 hrs, still enough over night and you won't plug in empty. But the customer can have a 32 amp home charge point fitted at their cost.

A customer will know their driving habits and when and if charging for public chargers is introduced this individual will know whether the home charge point will meet most of their driving needs or not, and even if they have to pay for some public chargers and even "if" and I stress "IF" a particular trip would have been the same cost in a diesel, most of their driving will probably still be met with their own home charge point.

As I said above, over 30,000 kms the Electric 430 Euro's, Diesel 2,000-2200

We are getting 230kM + Easy? Did you mean 130Miles :-)

ELM327

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

The ESB made a complete haymes of the charging the last time they attempted it. The political pressure and will is there not to introduce anything (€€) until at least 2020 due to the every mounting pressure they are under to meet emission targets. The European courts are looming. The general unofficial school of thought is they will have to incentivise the whole thing more for uptake then over long peroids of time introduce a charging system. This will either be a good or bad thing. It remains to be seen.

They will need to introduce payment soon. There's a marked increase in the number of EVs on the road.
I was number 5 in a queue for the Navan fast charger last night.
There were 4 ahead of me, a new leaf, a white Ioniq, a black Ioniq and a 2015 leaf. Most of which had MH plates. I was on my way back from longford and needed a top up to make dublin. I ended up waiting only 1.5 hours as some queuing abandoned the queue.


The locals (ab)using the fast chargers are making long distance travel very difficult, and I lay the blame solely and squarely at the door of the inept network operator ecars. The sooner we can have private enterprise the better, I'd gladly pay 20+c/kWh for a reliable multi unit FCP site.

Jeditraining1

ELM327 wrote: »

They will need to introduce payment soon. There's a marked increase in the number of EVs on the road.
I was number 5 in a queue for the Navan fast charger last night.
There were 4 ahead of me, a new leaf, a white Ioniq, a black Ioniq and a 2015 leaf. Most of which had MH plates. I was on my way back from longford and needed a top up to make dublin. I ended up waiting only 1.5 hours as some queuing abandoned the queue.


The locals (ab)using the fast chargers are making long distance travel very difficult, and I lay the blame solely and squarely at the door of the inept network operator ecars. The sooner we can have private enterprise the better, I'd gladly pay 20+c/kWh for a reliable multi unit FCP site.

In pockets maybe but they are 46,000 cars off what they said they would have 10 years ago, and the governments targets were based on that figure. Based on conversations (nothing more) with the people who are pushing policy it will be 2020 easy before anything is introduced. New grant schemes, tax incentives etc have all been touted. The ESB cannot wait to get rid of the thorn in their side.

obriendj

I would like to go for the a Hyundai Ioniq but was told the wait is 6 months+

is that the same everyone does anyone know?

Thanks

Ewan Hoosarmi

obriendj wrote: »

I would like to go for the a Hyundai Ioniq but was told the wait is 6 months+

is that the same everyone does anyone know?

Thanks

I decided the new Leaf was pants and the Kona was a bit far away. I rang every dealer to find out what was out there. There were about (didn't count) 20 white in stock ready to drive away, and one silver. While it wouldn't have been my first choice of colour, it's grand. I put down a deposit and collected the car two weeks later. That's the time it took to get the SEAI off their collective arses so that the car could be registered.

That was fairly recently, so, get ringing. The dealers are all listed on hyundai.ie, including their contact numbers. There are 30 of them.

unkel

Ewan Hoosarmi wrote: »

The dealers are all listed on hyundai.ie, including their contact numbers. There are 30 of them.

Indeed. I remember the number 30 as I contacted them all at 9AM the day after my test drive. I ended up in negotiation with some of them and by 7PM I had bought the Ioniq and paid the deposit

Shefwedfan

obriendj wrote: »

I would like to go for the a Hyundai Ioniq but was told the wait is 6 months+

is that the same everyone does anyone know?

Thanks

You could go to some of the specialist electric car companies and ask them to import one for you as well if you dont want new

ELM327

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

In pockets maybe but they are 46,000 cars off what they said they would have 10 years ago, and the governments targets were based on that figure. Based on conversations (nothing more) with the people who are pushing policy it will be 2020 easy before anything is introduced. New grant schemes, tax incentives etc have all been touted. The ESB cannot wait to get rid of the thorn in their side.

Everyone wants rid of the thorn in their side tbh.
ESB, CRU, ecars, ministers, civil servants.


No one wants to deal with this on a governmental level. We are - as you say - many years behind not only the initial target but the severely haircut revised targets.


I'm firmly in favour of payment for charging. Not because the ecars joke of a network is good (hint: it isn't) but because it will bring competition which is good for the consumer.

Fiery mutant

ELM327 wrote: »

Everyone wants rid of the thorn in their side tbh.
ESB, CRU, ecars, ministers, civil servants.


No one wants to deal with this on a governmental level. We are - as you say - many years behind not only the initial target but the severely haircut revised targets.


I'm firmly in favour of payment for charging. Not because the ecars joke of a network is good (hint: it isn't) but because it will bring competition which is good for the consumer.

I agree. The attitude to this seems to be the same as with so many other things in this country, a lack of real effort to initiate proper change for fear of upsetting the parish. Or maybe it’s just that too many of our elected politicians just aren’t qualified to run a country.

ELM327

obriendj wrote: »

I would like to go for the a Hyundai Ioniq but was told the wait is 6 months+

is that the same everyone does anyone know?

Thanks

If you don't mind white, you can have a car in days.
If you want a different colour you will probably have to order new and wait till MY2019, or buy an ex demo in the UK,
If buying in the UK try to get premium SE spec... it comes with some toys we didnt have the option of here - ventilated seats, leather seats, heated rear seat , active blind spot detection etc

Jeditraining1

ELM327 wrote: »

Everyone wants rid of the thorn in their side tbh.
ESB, CRU, ecars, ministers, civil servants.


No one wants to deal with this on a governmental level. We are - as you say - many years behind not only the initial target but the severely haircut revised targets.


I'm firmly in favour of payment for charging. Not because the ecars joke of a network is good (hint: it isn't) but because it will bring competition which is good for the consumer.

I agree with everything you just said, but I would just add one thing and look at one of your other points from a slightly different point of view. Firstly the IEVOA has to go as well as who you mentioned. As you will see by my post numbers I have very few and therefore don't comment much, but I do read a lot both here and other social media platforms and honestly they are a dis-service to the EV community how they are currently run. Secondly I am in favour of charges however the vision of EV's in Ireland needs to be fixed first before charges come in, to bring them in now would end EV's here. The market and penetration into the market is way to fragile, to muddy the waters now would only end it.

ELM327

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I agree with everything you just said, but I would just add one thing and look at one of your other points from a slightly different point of view. Firstly the IEVOA has to go as well as who you mentioned. As you will see by my post numbers I have very few and therefore don't comment much, but I do read a lot both here and other social media platforms and honestly they are a dis-service to the EV community how they are currently run. Secondly I am in favour of charges however the vision of EV's in Ireland needs to be fixed first before charges come in, to bring them in now would end EV's here. The market and penetration into the market is way to fragile, to muddy the waters now would only end it.

I know you have your issues with the IEVOA from your posts on other threads on the subject. I don't particularly care either way about them tbh.
We - as EV owners - need a representative body. This infighting in our small community (about 3k drivers now?) is doing none of us any good. If it's not the IEVOA then we need to establish a representative owners organisation (How about the boards EV owners society???!!) to lobby for initiatives for EV uptake and to improve the situation regarding the network.


Regarding the payment for charging we are a bit chicken and egg here, we need private enterprise as the government/semi state/cru have proven that they are inept. But we cannot have private enterprise until we remove the stabilisers of a free, crap, unreliable, but above all free network.


I'm not happy to pay for the current joke of a network from the incumbent, but I would be happy to pay if it allowed competition - which it will.

unkel

Spent the last 3.5 hours driving around west Dublin: Lucan, N4, M50, N3, Blanchardstown. Traffic was heavy (Friday night rush hour), but a bit lighter than it usually is, I guess holiday season has started already. In sports mode, 2-5 people in the car and half-and-half aircon on or just windows open. But this time I decided to leave my heavy foot at home and just go with the traffic and stick to all speed limits. 20C outside. Surprised even myself:



Or just under 300km extrapolated. I'd say on my own on a day like this doing country roads in light traffic I wouldn't struggle to make it to about 340-350km. That chap in Germany got 400km out of Ioniq last year using hypermiling techniques.

I wonder what range will the car show in the morning after charging overnight?

Ewan Hoosarmi

unkel wrote: »

Spent the last 3.5 hours driving around west Dublin: Lucan, N4, M50, N3, Blanchardstown. Traffic was heavy (Friday night rush hour), but a bit lighter than it usually is, I guess holiday season has started already. In sports mode, 2-5 people in the car and half-and-half aircon on or just windows open. But this time I decided to leave my heavy foot at home and just go with the traffic and stick to all speed limits. 20C outside. Surprised even myself:



Or just under 300km extrapolated. I'd say on my own on a day like this doing country roads in light traffic I wouldn't struggle to make it to about 340-350km. That chap in Germany got 400km out of Ioniq last year using hypermiling techniques.

I wonder what range will the car show in the morning after charging overnight?

According to the Ze German, the range display only goes up to 300, even if the range is 400. Or in his case 402

peposhi

unkel wrote: »

Spent the last 3.5 hours driving around west Dublin: Lucan, N4, M50, N3, Blanchardstown. Traffic was heavy (Friday night rush hour), but a bit lighter than it usually is, I guess holiday season has started already. In sports mode, 2-5 people in the car and half-and-half aircon on or just windows open. But this time I decided to leave my heavy foot at home and just go with the traffic and stick to all speed limits. 20C outside. Surprised even myself:



Or just under 300km extrapolated. I'd say on my own on a day like this doing country roads in light traffic I wouldn't struggle to make it to about 340-350km. That chap in Germany got 400km out of Ioniq last year using hypermiling techniques.

I wonder what range will the car show in the morning after charging overnight?

Unkel The Feather Foot (not )

jusmeig

Hi Guys,

Great to see some new 2018 Ioniq owners!
Took my first road trip from Dublin to Kenmare and back. I must admit I was terrified with stories of broken un-reported chargers etc...but my experience apart from one hiccup was great!

Stop 1 - Urlingford. Arrived as a Leaf departed. Connected for my first ever fast charge, 32 mins - No issues back on the road.
Stop 2 - Douglas, Co Cork - Leaf just nipped in before me Rather than wait popped down the road to another garage towards the harbour and it has CCS - Again no issues.

Return Leg
Stop 1 - Erm....Fermoy. CCS was not working. It just read "Connect the cable". Called eCars and we tried turning off bluetooth on my Phone?!? Anyway - failtown. Could not get it working. Stupidly (Captain hindsight would have used type 2 for 30 minutes) I went back out on the M8 to Cashel. Got seriously low on the GOM, I had 8km left and that was driving at 75km on motorway. I was that egit EV driver everyone was cursing
Once in Cashel - No issues, again 30min or so charging.

Stop 2 - Midway services. No issues and juiced up to full so I could enjoy Sport mode for the run home

All in all it the car performed flawlessly. Really nice car for a longer run.
Any hints tips and or suggestions appreciated

J

thelikelylad

jusmeig wrote: »

Return Leg
Stop 1 - Erm....Fermoy. CCS was not working. It just read "Connect the cable". Called eCars and we tried turning off bluetooth on my Phone?!? Anyway - failtown. Could not get it working. Stupidly (Captain hindsight would have used type 2 for 30 minutes) I went back out on the M8 to Cashel. Got seriously low on the GOM, I had 8km left and that was driving at 75km on motorway. I was that egit EV driver everyone was cursing
Once in Cashel - No issues, again 30min or so charging.

Stop 2 - Midway services. No issues and juiced up to full so I could enjoy Sport mode for the run home

All in all it the car performed flawlessly. Really nice car for a longer run.
Any hints tips and or suggestions appreciated

J

I had the very same issue in Fermoy when I stopped there last year. It's in an awkward location too coming off the motorway.

You could have left the M8 at Mitchelstown and gone via Mallow (N73/N72) to Kenmare? Should take the same amount of time plus it's 20km shorter. Should be possible with just one stop too, Dublin to Cashel (~170km) and then Cashel to Kenmare (~166km).

The one thing I don't like about Cashel is the lack of options if the FCP is dead. Nearest SCP is over 20km away - roll on IONITY eh?

colmkirk

Can someone tell me how long it takes to charge the ioniq on the granny cable from a normal home charge point?

ELM327

colmkirk wrote: »

Can someone tell me how long it takes to charge the ioniq on the granny cable from a normal home charge point?

About 12 hours from 15% in my experience. It's not quick!

unkel

Granny cable is about 2.2kW so from completely empty to completely full will take 28/2.2 = almost 13 hours

colmkirk

I'm coming from a zoe 22kwh, so its about the same as that :-) and am I right in saying 4 hours at the normal esb public charge points?

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Granny cable is about 2.2kW so from completely empty to completely full will take 28/2.2 = almost 13 hours

And it's the most inefficient method as regards charging loss.
And most places - especially rural - may be at slightly less than 230v so will draw more like 2kW not 2.2.


If you allow for 2.1kW at 85% efficiency it's 1.785kW.
Divide that into 28 it's actually 15.6 hours. COnsidering I saw over 12 hours at 15% SOC, it's believable that a full charge from absolute empty to full could be 15 hours.

ELM327

colmkirk wrote: »

I'm coming from a zoe 22kwh, so its about the same as that :-) and am I right in saying 4 hours at the normal esb public charge points?

4.5 hours at the 22kW points (the AC, where the car can only take 1 of the available 3 phases, so 7kW).


Around 30 minutes to 94% at the public DC points.

colmkirk

So would you do most of your charging at the CCS FCP?

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

And it's the most inefficient method as regards charging loss.
And most places - especially rural - may be at slightly less than 230v so will draw more like 2kW not 2.2.


If you allow for 2.1kW at 85% efficiency it's 1.785kW.
Divide that into 28 it's actually 15.6 hours. COnsidering I saw over 12 hours at 15% SOC, it's believable that a full charge from absolute empty to full could be 15 hours.

Aye and a lot of granny cable charging would be outside of the cheap night rate.

@colmkirk - you are aware that if you bought an EV new or second hand this year, you qualify for a €600 subsidy for a home charger. This should pretty much cover the install. Your Ioniq will charge from completely empty to completely full in under 4 hours provided you install a 32A charger

ELM327

colmkirk wrote: »

So would you do most of your charging at the CCS FCP?

No I do most of my charging at the work chargers, there's 2 22kW AC chargers at work so the car charges in about 3 hours as it's never empty.


Outside of that if I'm on a long trip yeah CCS is the only way really.


AC charging isnt really practical in the Ioniq due to the slow speeds unless there's a charger located somewhere you would be parked anyway.

colmkirk

I do most of my charging on the granny cable in the zoe, it takes me to about 45 -50 miles if I charge from 12.00am to 8.00am the next morning when I go to work and that is at the night rate

thelikelylad

ELM327 wrote: »

And it's the most inefficient method as regards charging loss.
And most places - especially rural - may be at slightly less than 230v so will draw more like 2kW not 2.2.


If you allow for 2.1kW at 85% efficiency it's 1.785kW.
Divide that into 28 it's actually 15.6 hours. COnsidering I saw over 12 hours at 15% SOC, it's believable that a full charge from absolute empty to full could be 15 hours.

Yep, I've observed as low as 1.5kW-1.6kW in rural areas. IIRC, the car once reported 8 hours remaining at 50% SOC.

jusmeig

thelikelylad wrote: »

I had the very same issue in Fermoy when I stopped there last year. It's in an awkward location too coming off the motorway.

You could have left the M8 at Mitchelstown and gone via Mallow (N73/N72) to Kenmare? Should take the same amount of time plus it's 20km shorter. Should be possible with just one stop too, Dublin to Cashel (~170km) and then Cashel to Kenmare (~166km).

The one thing I don't like about Cashel is the lack of options if the FCP is dead. Nearest SCP is over 20km away - roll on IONITY eh?

Yeah I considered just one stop, but for a first run I did not have the range confidence 😀 Also my thinking was if U did this and there was an issue in Cashel, I'd not have much juice for plan B. Never thought to come off M8.

Next trip is to Ballyshannon. I note a distinct lack of CCS when heading north? Only route I can see is via Monaghan for CCS.

Anyone got any info on Ionity in Ireland?

Shefwedfan

So with it confirmed that the Ioniq wont get a battery upgrade I am just wondering what is real life range people are getting?

Interested in
City Driving?
Motorway at 120km?
Motorway at 100km?

I think I asked this before but I can't find answer.....my mate is still wondering if he should buy or wait.....

unkel

In Sport mode in summer (in winter deduct about 20%)

City - 250-300km
Motorway at 120km/h (GPS speed) - 170-175km
Motorway at 100km/h (GPS speed) - 200-220km

Jeditraining1

This just turned up in one of the Facebook pages. No real surprises and no change for 2019 https://electricrevs.com/2018/05/30/hyundai-ioniq-ev-keeps-28-kwh-battery-for-2019/

unkel

That comes up all over the internet wherever Ioniqs are mentioned. People don't understand that is just a US / Canada thing. They already got the so called MY (Model Year) 2019 cars. Technically a car for sale on 01/01/2018 can be called a MY2019 car over there.

It has nothing to do with what Ioniq Hyundai will actually manufacture / sell in 2019. Which could well be a car with a larger battery (or not)

irishgrover

On the one hand I'm disappointed... On the other hand, this protects the resale value of all our cars :-)

unkel

Resale of any EV is excellent. I can't see that change any time soon. And I guess the resale of Ioniq EV is one of the best in the market. Officially the Tesla Model S has been the least depreciating car in the UK for a few years now. Not just of EVs, of all cars! I wonder could it be possible at all if Ioniq EV took over that position?

ELM327

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So with it confirmed that the Ioniq wont get a battery upgrade I am just wondering what is real life range people are getting?

Interested in
City Driving?
Motorway at 120km?
Motorway at 100km?

I think I asked this before but I can't find answer.....my mate is still wondering if he should buy or wait.....

Compared with Unkel's response I get different figures. Perhaps it's because I drive in eco mode.



City - 250km
Motorway at 120km/h (GPS speed) - 170-200km (Depends on elevation changes and use of heater/AC)
Motorway at 100km/h (GPS speed) - 200-220km

unkel wrote: »

In Sport mode in summer (in winter deduct about 20%)

City - 250-300km
Motorway at 120km/h (GPS speed) - 170-175km
Motorway at 100km/h (GPS speed) - 200-220km

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Resale of any EV is excellent. I can't see that change any time soon. And I guess the resale of Ioniq EV is one of the best in the market. Officially the Tesla Model S has been the least depreciating car in the UK for a few years now. Not just of EVs, of all cars! I wonder could it be possible at all if Ioniq EV took over that position?

Considering you can't buy one new at all.... i'd bet for that

Krombopulos Michael

Passed a white Ioniq on the N3 heading to Navan yesterday. I am tempted to get one as my next car, but the Carwow review on youtube highlighted the headroom in the rear seats is restrictive. What's peoples real life optinion?

Calahonda52

Krombopulos Michael wrote: »

Passed a white Ioniq on the N3 heading to Navan yesterday. I am tempted to get one as my next car, but the Carwow review on youtube highlighted the headroom in the rear seats is restrictive. What's peoples real life optinion?

I am 6 1 and i rejected this car after the test drive because of this issue, even in the front