Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

jeremy_g

https://electrek.co/2018/08/20/hyundai-kona-electric-official-epa-range-efficiency/ that is at least 415 Km, not bad.

unkel

And hypermiling, Bjørn Nyland got 830km out of one charge

Because of the extremely efficient drive train of the Hyundais (can coast for ridiculous distances barely slowing down without using electricity) it is very easy to get a few extra km out of the car if you need it.

Fiery mutant

Plus when you get used to using the regen efficiently, you will gain range back. I gained back 6km of range freewheeling from sally gap down to Glendalough, using the regen as a brake.

unkel

It can be fun to do, but you don't need to use the regen paddles. Normal braking with the brake pedal creates the same regen as the paddles (unless you stamp on it)

fitz213

Woke up this morning and found the power was off in the house. I had the car plugged in via the granny cable. Now realised the cable with or without it being plugged it into the car is tripping the fuse! I have been using the cable for c. 10months without problem but it must now be faulty! Anyone else have this problem? Is it under warranty with Hyundai? Thanks.

Soarer

fitz213 wrote: »

Woke up this morning and found the power was off in the house. I had the car plugged in via the granny cable. Now realised the cable with or without it being plugged it into the car is tripping the fuse! I have been using the cable for c. 10months without problem but it must now be faulty! Anyone else have this problem? Is it under warranty with Hyundai? Thanks.

Has water gotten into it somewhere?

fitz213

Soarer wrote: »

Has water gotten into it somewhere?

Fuse in the plug for the charger is badly blown. Not sure what caused it. Don't think it was too wet last night.

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

Most people buying PHEV don't really know what they want

A lot of people realise diesel will and should be gone soon. And they know that eventually we will all drive EVs. But they aren't really aware (mostly because of prejudice) that EVs might suit them already

No offence to anyone of course! It took most of us in here some time to get educated on this

Doing 400km in a day regularly is a lot. And I presume he can't charge on site. With the current state our public charging network I don't think I would want to rely on having 1, even 2 public charges in Ioniq in a trip that long. Not until there are reliable and available chargers (Ionity). No charges needed in Kona though, has 500 km range.

Coming back to this Unkel, I think I have him convinced to go BEV.

A few other points....
His trip to site is 150km each way on non-motorway roads...roughly Cork-New Ross.
He can charge onsite.
He can charge here in work.
A PHEV is approx. €33k on the road. From DoneDeal, a 2018 BEV demonstrator from the North is approx. €27k. So I explained to him that even if servicing and running costs were exactly the same between the PHEV and BEV, and the BEV didn't suit his site visits, that €6,000 saving would rent a lot of cars for a lot of days to travel to site.

So the ball is back in his court.

P.S. The L40 would probably suit him too, so I might suggest that!

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

He can charge onsite.

Sorted so. BEV is perfect for him

And yes, do suggest a L40 too, and a Kona (which is more expensive to buy but likely to hold its value far better than a L40)

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

Sorted so. BEV is perfect for him

And yes, do suggest a L40 too, and a Kona (which is more expensive to buy but likely to hold its value far better than a L40)

Aye.

I suggested a Kona, but he's not for waiting.

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

Aye.

I suggested a Kona, but he's not for waiting.

In that case he doesn't have much choice

Forget to say, you might as well tell him about the eGolf on the off chance he can get his hands on one for reasonable money.

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

In that case he doesn't have much choice

Forget to say, you might as well tell him about the eGolf on the off chance he can get his hands on one for reasonable money.

Cheers.

Don't think he'd get a new/nearly new eGolf for Ioniq/Leaf money, would he?!

unkel

There's someone who got a diesel scrappage allowance which brought the price down to not that far over the 31k mark iirc. You won't get much change out of 30k for an Ioniq / Leaf on the road.

Might have been someone who did his homework / got lucky / had good timing / was a strong negotiator more likely all of the above and they got a fantastic deal. It happens sometimes

peaceboi

Heard from Facebook ev group about new 40kwh nissan leaf stolen, while both keys were inside the house. Wondering if there is any way to disable keyless entry on the Ioniq? Thanks

JohnnyJohnJohns

peaceboi wrote: »

Heard from Facebook ev group about new 40kwh nissan leaf stolen, while both keys were inside the house. Wondering if there is any way to disable keyless entry on the Ioniq? Thanks

Best bet is probably one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blocker-Blocking-Protector-Antitheft-Devices/dp/B078SRHNFS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1535367451&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=key+fob+signal+blocker&psc=1

Or keeping the keys in a metal box away from the door. I'm not sure how susceptible the ioniq is given the keyless entry only seems to work if you have the keys on you and you press the door button (Our old Renault auto locked and unlocked based on distance and I think these are more susceptible to range extenders)

Not sure what way the leaf keyless system works.

Shefwedfan

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

Best bet is probably one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blocker-Blocking-Protector-Antitheft-Devices/dp/B078SRHNFS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1535367451&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=key+fob+signal+blocker&psc=1

Or keeping the keys in a metal box away from the door. I'm not sure how susceptible the ioniq is given the keyless entry only seems to work if you have the keys on you and you press the door button (Our old Renault auto locked and unlocked based on distance and I think these are more susceptible to range extenders)

Not sure what way the leaf keyless system works.

You want to check, a lot of them are s**t and don't work.....


Some people have said they would prefer to leave keys out anyway and if they want the car take it and not come into house....personal decision...

peaceboi

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

Best bet is probably one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blocker-Blocking-Protector-Antitheft-Devices/dp/B078SRHNFS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1535367451&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=key+fob+signal+blocker&psc=1

Or keeping the keys in a metal box away from the door. I'm not sure how susceptible the ioniq is given the keyless entry only seems to work if you have the keys on you and you press the door button (Our old Renault auto locked and unlocked based on distance and I think these are more susceptible to range extenders)

Not sure what way the leaf keyless system works.

Thanks, ordered.

peaceboi

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

Best bet is probably one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blocker-Blocking-Protector-Antitheft-Devices/dp/B078SRHNFS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1535367451&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=key+fob+signal+blocker&psc=1

Or keeping the keys in a metal box away from the door. I'm not sure how susceptible the ioniq is given the keyless entry only seems to work if you have the keys on you and you press the door button (Our old Renault auto locked and unlocked based on distance and I think these are more susceptible to range extenders)

Not sure what way the leaf keyless system works.

Thanks again JohnyJohn, item arrived today. Good quality, blocks the signal very well ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

DrPhilG

Has anyone here imported the top spec Ioniq from the UK? The one that wasn't available here?

If so, how did that work with insurance? Were they able to find the exact model?

The Kona seems to be going the same way, shafting buyers in Ireland and only offering a souped up mid level. So I may be sticking with my UK order and importing it.

peaceboi

But, then will they not charge you for irish vat as well, making the 64kwh premium se to how much?ðŸ€
Unless you are vat registered business user?

DrPhilG

I'm working on the vat issue.

I'm more curious at this point as to whether I can insure it!

irishgrover

DrPhilG wrote:

If so, how did that work with insurance? Were they able to find the exact model?

I did, there were no problems at all.... Originally when I first transferred it, it was still on UK plates... Insurance company had no problem (RSA). I think I had a month or something to give them the Irish reg (I had it done a few days later)

DrPhilG

irishgrover wrote: »

I did, there were no problems at all.... Originally when I first transferred it, it was still on UK plates... Insurance company had no problem (RSA). I think I had a month or something to give them the Irish reg (I had it done a few days later)

Thanks

But does your log book and insurance cert have the correct model on it? I remember when I brought my Tekna Leaf over, one insurance company couldn't find the Tekna but put it down as a SV special edition or something for the quote.

When I contacted my insurance broker for a quote to change to the Kona, they said they couldn't quote until the car was on their system as available in Ireland. Given that the Kona Premium SE is never going to be available, I wonder if that could cause trouble getting a quote.

irishgrover

**** it, now u have me nervous.... I'll go check

UPDATE EDIT: Insurance just says "HYUNDAI IONIQ EV". No additional info.
I'll give them a call tomorrow to double check. Also will have a look at the log book tomorrow.

DrPhilG

irishgrover wrote: »

**** it, now u have me nervous.... I'll go check

UPDATE EDIT: Insurance just says "HYUNDAI IONIQ EV". No additional info.
I'll give them a call tomorrow to double check. Also will have a look at the log book tomorrow.

Lol, sorry to freak you out. It probably doesn't matter, but I'd confirm it with the insurance company anyway in writing/email in case you ever made a claim and they tried to duck it based on it being a different model.

I'll check with my insurance company too and make sure that HYUNDAI KONA EV will suffice regardless of the spec.

KCross

All I could see him doing under the bonnet was topping up the washer fluid! Did he even replace the cabin filter?

A vacuum and a wash and thats it!

DrPhilG

DrPhilG wrote: »

I'll check with my insurance company too and make sure that HYUNDAI KONA EV will suffice regardless of the spec.

Had a quick nosey on 123.ie today, they have the Kona EV listed, and all 3 standard models. No mention of the Paddy spec "Executive", lol.

yabadabado

Would 200km per full charge be about right on the Ioniq?

jeremy_g

only in the summer and not continuously at 120 Kph on motorway

ELM327

yabadabado wrote: »

Would 200km per full charge be about right on the Ioniq?

As an average, yes.
It's possible to get 170 or it's possible to get 230+


If you're doing 120km/h indicated you will get around 190-200km depending on the undulation of the terrain. Or at least I do.

zg3409

yabadabado wrote: »

Would 200km per full charge be about right on the Ioniq?

Some people say 160km worst case Irish winter with no battery wear.

With battery wear and non Irish weather, you may get less. I would not buy one if your commute is over 140km or even 120km to be safe with 4 or 5 years old battery

Soarer

Saw a fella last night in Ballincollig with a black 182-D Ioniq. Lovely looking yoke. Definitely needs the grille wrapped.

Anyone on here?

Ballylad

Worst case last winter at 100km/hr, frosty mornings was 190kms, best case this summer 100km/hr 257km, more if hypermilling etc, if you are fond of 120km/hr/sport mode/heater, expect around 170km or less, that’s my experience with 60000kms completed.

unkel

yabadabado wrote: »

Would 200km per full charge be about right on the Ioniq?

I've averaged 240km over the last 3 months, driving it really hard, only ever in sport mode. Driven in the greater Dublin area only, including all the motorways

But I haven't done any sustained motorway driving, like Dublin to Cork at 120km/h GPS speed, as you won't get anywhere near that range doing that

And the summer was good. This time last year I only got about 210km average. Last (very cold) winter, I got about 180km average

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

But I haven't done any sustained motorway driving, like Dublin to Cork at 120km/h GPS speed, as you won't get anywhere near that range doing that

I did sustained dublin to cork and return on the motorway at 120km/h real world speed (well a little over). Given that the M8 is very undulating it had a real impact on range and I was getting 175km to a charge (and a charge on that run was to 94% not 100% as I started at Lucan)

miamee

Soarer wrote: »

Saw a fella last night in Ballincollig with a black 182-D Ioniq. Lovely looking yoke. Definitely needs the grille wrapped.

Anyone on here?

No but I saw a 172D silver Ioniq hybrid in Dublin city centre yesterday, the colour looked really good. The chrome grille probably added to that of course  

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

I did sustained dublin to cork and return on the motorway at 120km/h real world speed (well a little over). Given that the M8 is very undulating it had a real impact on range and I was getting 175km to a charge (and a charge on that run was to 94% not 100% as I started at Lucan)

175km at 120km/h using 94% is good going. You won't get that again next summer

irishgrover

unkel wrote:

175km at 120km/h using 94% is good going. You won't get that again next summer

So I have a theory unkel, which goes as follows. The faster you driver the less weather has an impact. Specifically since april in my case my GOM range have never been lower that 178 or higher than 184 and 9 times out of 10 is 179km. I suspect that over 120+ kmph the car is relativity so inefficient that weather temp plays a significantly decreased role....

unkel

Yes the wind resistance rises exponentially with speed. At vmax (about 167km/h GPS), it will make very little difference if you drive in -10C or +30C. Your battery is going to be empty quickly

Edit - quick google. This is remarkable. Looks like he is using only about 30kW at 175km/h (real speed about 169km/h)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA5mkXsRw2M

That's a range of 157km at 169km/h.

liamog

zg3409 wrote: »

Some people say 160km worst case Irish winter with no battery wear.

With battery wear and non Irish weather, you may get less. I would not buy one if your commute is over 140km or even 120km to be safe with 4 or 5 years old battery

So far the only car with excessive battery wear was the first generation Nissan Leaf. Probably best to wait until the Ioniq is 5 years old before judging the battery degradation. Newer battery chemistries seem to hold there range for a much longer time.

Then again you could avoid the car, and leave the bargains for the rest of us!

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

175km at 120km/h using 94% is good going. You won't get that again next summer

This was before the very hot weather started though.
And as we see above, the weather doesnt seem to impact at higher speed.

patmac

I'm sorry I didn't get one of these now as I was waiting for the Kona but the price is about €5k over my price range and the Niro is likely to be the same. I just spoke to a local Hyundai dealer who quoted me €37.5k with the grant to come off that,but I think he is mistaken.
He also said there are no Ioniqs left in the country, is this true? I'm really going to have to consider the Leaf now I think.
My commute is 110kms per day and 300-350km trips 3-4 times a year.

liamog

patmac wrote: »

I'm sorry I didn't get one of these now as I was waiting for the Kona but the price is about €5k over my price range and the Niro is likely to be the same. I just spoke to a local Hyundai dealer who quoted me €37.5k with the grant to come off that,but I think he is mistaken.
He also said there are no Ioniqs left in the country, is this true? I'm really going to have to consider the Leaf now I think.
My commute is 110kms per day and 300-350km trips 3-4 times a year.

Some dealers are sending people away, others are placing orders so you may need to ring around. If he's quoting 37.5k he's probably not trying to sell you one.


Your other option is to purchase a second hand one from the UK.

ELM327

patmac wrote: »

I'm sorry I didn't get one of these now as I was waiting for the Kona but the price is about €5k over my price range and the Niro is likely to be the same. I just spoke to a local Hyundai dealer who quoted me €37.5k with the grant to come off that,but I think he is mistaken.
He also said there are no Ioniqs left in the country, is this true? I'm really going to have to consider the Leaf now I think.
My commute is 110kms per day and 300-350km trips 3-4 times a year.

If you'd consider a second hand 2017 one I know of someone who may be selling soon

zg3409

patmac wrote: »

I
He also said there are no Ioniqs left in the country, is this true?
My commute is 110kms per day and 300-350km trips 3-4 times a year.

There seems to be no 2018 expect used from northern Ireland on done deal. It would need to be 6 months old at time of import. There are 1 or 2 real 2017 models on done deal, 1 in kildare uk import and another with stickers that is long gone also claiming Kildare.

You may get a 2018 from UK but most as snapped up quickly.

My commute is also 110km and it does it nicely at 120km with 45% battery to spare. Costs around 2 euro to top it up each night on night rate.

In relation to leaf beware the 30kw version may not have the equivalent range, and the Ioniq has some features as standard the leaf does not such as cruise control with following the car in front. I think the new leaf has a nicer seating position , more comfortable drivers seat and higher seat with higher windscreen.

There should be more ioniqs on the market when the kona arrives, and their cost should drop too.

patmac

liamog wrote: »

Some dealers are sending people away, others are placing orders so you may need to ring around. If he's quoting 37.5k he's probably not trying to sell you one.


Your other option is to purchase a second hand one from the UK.

Sorry he was quoting me €37.5k(€32.5k less grant) for a new Kona. If that’s true I will be buying one.

DrPhilG

patmac wrote: »

Sorry he was quoting me €37.5k(€32.5k less grant) for a new Kona. If that’s true I will be buying one.

It's not true. The €37.5k is after the grant, not before.

Just another dealer who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

My local dealer, who usually seems relatively clued in, told me it was around €35k!

Water John

Can Boards host the auction of this rare Ioniq, that's for sale?

unkel

Urgent private sale GBP17,200

Linky


With the current low Sterling, if you can negotiate him down to GBP16,700 (he's under pressure right?) you can land that for under €19k. I know it's a 2016 car, but I'd say it's highly unlikely you'll get an Ioniq EV for that kind of money again for a long time...

If anyone wants one, I'd jump in right now.

paulers06

My Ioniq won’t start this morning. Has anyone come across this warning before?