Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

BigAl81

irishgrover wrote:

Put me out of my misery, what's the source of that.....

Jaws!

squishey

Stuck waiting for a hour now at J14 for a 182 Leaf to finish "fast" charging, very frustrating. Cant park the car so that it would even reach the ac charger to give me a trickle to move on.

unkel

Let's hope he doesn't turn out to be a total dick like that 181 L40 that hooked up his car when it was mostly full and charged for several hours while spending the afternoon shopping

At Ireland's second busiest fast charger - making charging impossible for anyone else

squishey

unkel wrote: »

Let's hope he doesn't turn out to be a total dick like that 181 L40 that hooked up his car when it was mostly full and charged for several hours while spending the afternoon shopping

At Ireland's second busiest fast charger - making charging impossible for anyone else

2 hours now! Gonna turtle mode it to kildare town charger. 181L1318 owner sucks!

unkel

Let's name & shame the pricks (plugged in for at least 60 minutes at a fast charger while absent from your vehicle)

1. Leaf 40 181D36303 12/10/2018 FCP B'town. At least 2 hours
2. Leaf 40 181L1318 10/11/2018 FCP J14. At least 2 hours

Maybe we should start a dedicated thread for this? With photographic evidence of the car hooked up to FCP and charging speeds of under say 20kW? I'v pictures of above arsehole charging at just 2kW, indicating that he was about 98-99% charged

Round Cable

This really highlights why we need to charge for charging, with a steep fee if connected for over 40 minutes.

Fiery mutant

Don’t know about the steep fee part. For instance it will take the Kona nearly an hour to charge for full, if you really ne dead that charge, it would be a bummer for you to be penalized.

But the charging part I agree with. And once it’s full, then steep fee for non disconnecting.

Round Cable

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Don’t know about the steep fee part. For instance it will take the Kona nearly an hour to charge for full, if you really ne dead that charge, it would be a bummer for you to be penalized.

But the charging part I agree with. And once it’s full, then steep fee for non disconnecting.

After 40 minutes at a fast charger the Kona can replenish over 220km, likely more than enough to move on to the next charger or destination.

Fiery mutant

That’s true, and for most people that amount of charge would be fine.

But as someone who has spent his fair share of time trapped behind some d1ckhead charging a leaf or something else, even the best laid plans can go assways.

Zenith74

unkel wrote: »

Let's name & shame the pricks (plugged in for at least 60 minutes at a fast charger while absent from your vehicle)

1. Leaf 40 181D36303 12/10/2018 FCP B'town. At least 2 hours
2. Leaf 40 181L1318 10/11/2018 FCP J14. At least 2 hours

Maybe we should start a dedicated thread for this? With photographic evidence of the car hooked up to FCP and charging speeds of under say 20kW? I'v pictures of above arsehole charging at just 2kW, indicating that he was about 98-99% charged

Has anybody tried calling eCars when they find one of these, see if they are willing to stop the charge if it has been there for 2 hours?

Gumbo

Zenith74 wrote: »

Has anybody tried calling eCars when they find one of these, see if they are willing to stop the charge if it has been there for 2 hours?

They won’t touch it in my experience as it involves them cutting power to a private car and then allowing you to interfere with a private car.

When charging is finished, the plug can be pulled out iirc.

Zenith74

kceire wrote: »

They won’t touch it in my experience as it involves them cutting power to a private car and then allowing you to interfere with a private car.

When charging is finished, the plug can be pulled out iirc.

Might be worth making the calls to the help desk just to raise some noise.

I had a couple of cases while trying to get 100% charge in the UK that the charger stopped it just over 90%. I wonder if they have a minimum charge level defined, for example if charging at a FCP it would stop once you go below 10kW or something...

Shame so many of the problems we’re facing could be solved by such trivial changes to the system :-(

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Let's name & shame the pricks (plugged in for at least 60 minutes at a fast charger while absent from your vehicle)

1. Leaf 40 181D36303 12/10/2018 FCP B'town. At least 2 hours
2. Leaf 40 181L1318 10/11/2018 FCP J14. At least 2 hours

Maybe we should start a dedicated thread for this? With photographic evidence of the car hooked up to FCP and charging speeds of under say 20kW? I'v pictures of above arsehole charging at just 2kW, indicating that he was about 98-99% charged

I think if you're planning a name and shame thread (which I agree with) then photographic evidence should be mandatory.

fricatus

Fishy1 wrote: »

Hi Tollot,
Thanks so much for the feedback. Was hoping that someone here would be able to let me know that they had tried some of the chargers that I’ve had issues with.
I really appreciate the update.

Had a day off, so I filled the Ioniq up at the fast charger by the Whitfield Clinic in Waterford. Worked perfectly, first time.

BTW (for unkel’s benefit), even though I availed of a free charge, I stayed in the car, ready to move should anyone come along who really needed it!

denismc

fricatus wrote: »

Had a day off, so I filled the Ioniq up at the fast charger by the Whitfield Clinic in Waterford. Worked perfectly, first time.

BTW (for unkel’s benefit), even though I availed of a free charge, I stayed in the car, ready to move should anyone come along who really needed it!

So was there any issue with the car in the end, or were you just very unlucky with chargers?

fricatus

denismc wrote: »

So was there any issue with the car in the end, or were you just very unlucky with chargers?

Fishy1 is the one who had the trouble, not me. I just brought my car to the charger they had been using to make sure that the CCS connector would work with an Ioniq, and it did.

They had problems with other fast chargers other than the Waterford one too, so the issue surely must be with the individual vehicle.

Fishy1

Still having issues, it’s currently in the Hyundai garage being checked.

Good to know that others are able to use that CCS charger to charge their Ioniq. At least I can’t be fobbed off & told that it’s the charger that’s at fault.

Fishy1

Final Update, I Hope!

So, it appears that there was a small piece of metal jammed into the car’s terminal ( the part where the CCS charger plugs in) & once this was removed the car was able to rapid charge.

Apparently this piece of metal could have come from a ccs charger that was plugged into the car terminal using too much force.

I have my doubts about that bit to be honest, but am currently (pardon the pun!) charging my car at a rapid charger & it’s working!

Thanks to everyone for your input, I really appreciate it.

Silent Running

Fishy1 wrote: »

Final Update, I Hope!

So, it appears that there was a small piece of metal jammed into the car’s terminal ( the part where the CCS charger plugs in) & once this was removed the car was able to rapid charge.

Apparently this piece of metal could have come from a ccs charger that was plugged into the car terminal using too much force.

I have my doubts about that bit to be honest, but am currently (pardon the pun!) charging my car at a rapid charger & it’s working!

Thanks to everyone for your input, I really appreciate it.

Probably someone trying to siphon your fuel.

sean72

Does anyone know what the name of the black colour (i think it is just BLACK) is on the Irish version of the ioniq and whether it is metallic paint. There are so few details on the Irish site when it comes to configuring the ioniq, the UK site is phantom black and is a metallic add-on.

Silent Running

sean72 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the name of the black colour (i think it is just BLACK) is on the Irish version of the ioniq and whether it is metallic paint. There are so few details on the Irish site when it comes to configuring the ioniq, the UK site is phantom black and is a metallic add-on.

Yeah, it's the Phantom black here too, metallic.

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

Let's name & shame the pricks (plugged in for at least 60 minutes at a fast charger while absent from your vehicle)

1. Leaf 40 181D36303 12/10/2018 FCP B'town. At least 2 hours
2. Leaf 40 181L1318 10/11/2018 FCP J14. At least 2 hours

Maybe we should start a dedicated thread for this? With photographic evidence of the car hooked up to FCP and charging speeds of under say 20kW? I'v pictures of above arsehole charging at just 2kW, indicating that he was about 98-99% charged

I agree in principal, but your 20kW limit is excessive.

What if it's an L40 suffering from #rapidgate, and yer man still has an hour or two's driving ahead of him. You saying he should charge on AC due to a design flaw of the car?
Or you're going to insist he sits in the car while it charges, even though he hasn't eaten all day?

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

I agree in principal, but your 20kW limit is excessive.

What if it's an L40 suffering from #rapidgate, and yer man still has an hour or two's driving ahead of him. You saying he should charge on AC due to a design flaw of the car?
Or you're going to insist he sits in the car while it charges, even though he hasn't eaten all day?

Even in that case, do you think it is acceptable if he leaves his car for over an hour?

Personally I certainly wouldn't do that. Sure go for something to eat etc. but be back as soon as you can and talk to people if they are waiting for you to work something out

bdeithrick

unkel wrote: »

Even in that case, do you think it is acceptable if he leaves his car for over an hour?

Personally I certainly wouldn't do that. Sure go for something to eat etc. but be back as soon as you can and talk to people if they are waiting for you to work something out

If he’s still charging to 80% and he is with car he’s entitled to charge it
Not like the pricks in Stillorgan Luas who park all day at the fcp
A phev outlander Monday All day 151WW2657
And a seat Toledo yesterday
**** all help from Gardai , luas , or Ecars.

So a lad charging a leaf to 80-90 is no harm.

unkel

bdeithrick wrote: »

If he’s still charging to 80% and he is with car he’s entitled to charge it

We are not arguing he is or is not entitled to it. Of course he is entitled to it. We are also not arguing about the driver being with the car. We are discussing what it is like when the driver is away from the car.

bdeithrick wrote: »

So a lad charging a leaf to 80-90 is no harm.

No harm? A Leaf suffering from #rapidgate could take 2 hours to charge from empty to 90%. I bet you wouldn't be too happy if you drove up to a fast charger, needing just a 15 minute charge to get home, to find an abandoned Leaf in front of you charging for hours on end...

sean72

Silent Running wrote: »

Yeah, it's the Phantom black here too, metallic.

Thanks its a bit confusing as there's not an option to configure. However, when you go through the 'apply for hyundai finance' selecting black (does not refer to phantom), pearl white and aurora silver don't add anything to the finance price. If you select platinum silver, iron grey and marine blue add 600 euro. I thought this might be the difference between metallic and non-metallic.

Sorry I'm a bit paranoid about this as a dealer once tried to charge me for a metallic paint and when I investigated it wasn't metallic.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Even in that case, do you think it is acceptable if he leaves his car for over an hour?

Personally I certainly wouldn't do that. Sure go for something to eat etc. but be back as soon as you can and talk to people if they are waiting for you to work something out

I hope charging for over an hour is rendered obsolete by the pricing regime.
It's not my fault his car charges too slowly. Sure I could charge from 0-94 (max charge allowed in Ioniq on DC) twice in one hour. More on an Ionity charger.


Proposal in case those involved are listening:
29c /kWh at fast charger
€1 per minute charge too, with the first 30 minutes free.

Old diesel

A Nissan Leaf wouldnt interfere with an Ioniq charging if ample charging options were available.

The reason it does today is because chademo and CCS can't BOTH work together on these multi connector chargers.

Even if the Leaf driver and his/her car (full charge rate no rapidgate) behaves perfectly the Ioniq driver can still have a 40 minute delay.

Here's how

11.10 Leaf arrives at charger first so can use it. Car charges at 36 kw (close to full rate).

11.15 the Ioniq arrives and cant charge as Leaf

We clearly have an issue now even though the Leaf has done nothing wrong. A problem that the Leaf driver sitting in her car does not solve.

Even if the Leaf driver makes some sort of compromise and offers to pull off early - that still doesn't solve the problem if the Leaf driver actually legitimately needed a full charge. Ie she needed 75 percent charge to get her to where she needs to be but due to finishing early only got 55 percent on board.

There is a need to deal with muppetry - but if you put in lots of chargers then 2 hour parking restrictions should be enough.

It's a mess but telling people you have to stay in your car is also a disaster as the ability to walk away from your car while charging is important to allowing EVs fit peoples lives.

Perhaps we need to link usage of the machines to.....

Phone number (so muppets can be told go back to the car via call centre or text when taking the urine).

Debit/credit card number - so the muppet gets charged a penalty - say 50 euro a time in addition to normal non muppet charges.

Link to a reg number of EV - this allows the system to know whose card and phone number a car abusing the charging network belongs to.

Dundee council allow you access to some charging if you tell them your reg number. So you can see how a link to a reg number can aid things greatly.

listermint

Soarer wrote: »

I agree in principal, but your 20kW limit is excessive.

What if it's an L40 suffering from #rapidgate, and yer man still has an hour or two's driving ahead of him. You saying he should charge on AC due to a design flaw of the car?
Or you're going to insist he sits in the car while it charges, even though he hasn't eaten all day?

Charge it in his house like a normal person.

unkel

Old diesel wrote: »

There is a need to deal with muppetry - but if you put in lots of chargers

More chargers and expensive public charging (per minute and per kWh) would fix the issue

listermint wrote: »

Charge it in his house like a normal person.

Most EV owners charge at home and / or at work as much as they can, but sometimes you need to drive further than the range of your car.

listermint

unkel wrote: »

More chargers and expensive public charging (per minute and per kWh) would fix the issue



Most EV owners charge at home and / or at work as much as they can, but sometimes you need to drive further than the range of your car.

Indeed, and for those things we have Go Gar, which costs feck all and there is no hanging around charging units like a spanner.

But sure look, people can be boneheaded.

Old diesel

If I was planning the charging network I'd be building the L40 rapidgate issues into planning.

No rapidgate shouldnt have been allowed to happen by Nissan.

But it happens and thus prudent planning should factor in the fact these cars still need to charge but will take longer to do so on some charges.

Bottom line for me is that if a CCS connector is available - the CCS car should be able to charge regardless of what is happening with the L40 next door.

To me this would still apply even if we were still on brand new L30s with no rapidgate

unkel

listermint wrote: »

Indeed, and for those things we have Go Gar

Eh, LOL, no. For those things we have a fast charging network where you can quickly top up (Ioniq gets a range of about 100km motorway driving when topped up for 12 minutes at a fast charger like Ionity)

In your Go car, or your diesel, would you not want to stop for 15-20 minutes on a 300km drive from Dublin to Kerry?

listermint

unkel wrote: »

Eh, LOL, no. For those things we have a fast charging network where you can quickly top up (Ioniq gets a range of about 100km motorway driving when topped up for 12 minutes at a fast charger like Ionity)

In your Go car, or your diesel, would you not want to stop for 15-20 minutes on a 300km drive from Dublin to Kerry?

We dont have such a think as a fast charging network.

We have a few dotted chargers across the country that are haphazardly located, Are broken or partially working much of the time and are go to points for people getting a free bee charge when they can charge at home locally.

So i disagree.


We are no where near your utopia view noted above. But you know that so no need to explain it to you.


As i said for people on mad long journeys just rent or borrow a vehicle that suits it. until that point we are where we are.

unkel

listermint wrote: »

We are no where near your utopia view noted above.

Are we not?

Ionity got approved planning permission for a 6 bay Ionity charging station at J14. Quite likely be up and running in the next few months

2 other Ionity stations have applied for planning permission

All 9 Irish Ionity stations are planned to be in place before the end of 2019 (just a year away)

Ionity has been opening a couple of fast charging stations a week in continental Europe. And today it emerges that Tesla is going to retro-fit its European superchargers for CCS (not clear yet if it will allow non-Teslas to charge)

unkel

listermint wrote: »

As i said for people on mad long journeys just rent or borrow a vehicle that suits it. until that point we are where we are.

You can do a mad long (500km) journey with the latest budget EV offerings from Hyundai and Kia without having to stop for charging

KCross

You definitely put on your positive hat this morning unkel!

Old diesel

My understanding from the report i just read is this.....

1) Euro spec model 3 will get CCS socket.

2) Tesla will retrofit the ability to do CCS charging at their super chargers to facilitate the Model 3.

Nothing mentioned about other CCS cars using supercharger network.

CCS adaptor coming for Model S and X too apparently

listermint

unkel wrote: »

Are we not?

Ionity got approved planning permission for a 6 bay Ionity charging station at J14. Quite likely be up and running in the next few months

2 other Ionity stations have applied for planning permission

All 9 Irish Ionity stations are planned to be in place before the end of 2019 (just a year away)

Ionity has been opening a couple of fast charging stations a week in continental Europe. And today it emerges that Tesla is going to retro-fit its European superchargers for CCS (not clear yet if it will allow non-Teslas to charge)

None of this is built your proving my point for me.

People shouldn't rely on the charge network.

Simple as that. Treat it as an unlikely bonus extra but don't rely on it . Especially not for long journeys .

Can let you down .

unkel

KCross wrote: »

You definitely put on your positive hat this morning unkel!

Well I agree with listermint that the current fast charging network has become a shambles with the doubling of EVs this year and the new phenomenon of owners leaving their (extremely slowly charging) cars for hours. I would be very reluctant to drive beyond the range of my car

listermint wrote: »

None of this is built your proving my point for me.

Not yet built in Ireland, but with planning approved and a track record of German Gründlichkeit it is far closer to reality than it is to utopia. And I'm far from an optimist in this area if you've been following my posts...

Soarer

listermint wrote: »

Charge it in his house like a normal person.

Enlightened.

So explain how he's supposed to get home to charge, if he doesn't have enough charge to get home?

Old diesel

Soarer wrote: »

Enlightened.

So explain how he's supposed to get home to charge, if he doesn't have enough charge to get home?

It's simple if you are an L40 driver and you think theres a chance you might hold up an Ioniq driver - you just dont do the journey.

At least that's the conclusion the recent posts on this thread give anyway.

Which I consider nonsense but hey ho.

Soarer

Old diesel wrote: »

It's simple if you are an L40 driver and you think theres a chance you might hold up an Ioniq driver - you just dont do the journey.

At least that's the conclusion the recent posts on this thread give anyway.

Which I consider nonsense but hey ho.

Not just this thread.

listermint

Charge for it. Because it's out of hand and going to get worse.

That would see the powder of all these long term Parkers.

Because that's what they are.

unkel

listermint wrote: »

Charge for it.

Aye. Charge for fast charging. And charge for it heavily. Something like:

ELM327 wrote: »

Proposal in case those involved are listening:
29c /kWh at fast charger
€1 per minute charge too, with the first 30 minutes free.

Or even more. I would have no problem with twice those rates per kWh and per minute. It will make sure the fast charging network is only used by people who need it for long distance travel beyond the range of their car.

liamog

unkel wrote: »

Aye. Charge for fast charging. And charge for it heavily. Something like:



Or even more. I would have no problem with twice those rates per kWh and per minute. It will make sure the fast charging network is only used by people who need it for long distance travel beyond the range of their car.

Rates like that will also ensure we do not have an extensive charging network.

Silent Running

liamog wrote: »

Rates like that will also ensure we do not have an extensive charging network.

And we will also have a rather large block for people to take up EV ownership. If the cost to charge is the same, or even close, as running a diesel, why would anyone put up with the wait time to charge. They'll just stay with their diesels.

We have enough blocks to uptake including manufacturer gouging customers, lack of vehicle choice, ESB only half-heartedly committed to keeping the network, such as it it, running, etc. We don't need to add excessive charging. Anything over peak rate domestic charge per unit will do the job of keeping the chargers clear. No need to punish those that have no choice but to use the public network.

Old diesel

Silent Running wrote: »

And we will also have a rather large block for people to take up EV ownership. If the cost to charge is the same, or even close, as running a diesel, why would anyone put up with the wait time to charge. They'll just stay with their diesels.

We have enough blocks to uptake including manufacturer gouging customers, lack of vehicle choice, ESB only half-heartedly committed to keeping the network, such as it it, running, etc. We don't need to add excessive charging. Anything over peak rate domestic charge per unit will do the job of keeping the chargers clear. No need to punish those that have no choice but to use the public network.

Exactly

Really we need to be getting to a point where most towns and villages have reliable public charging.

With lots of capacity at the busy spot.

For me Dundee is a good example of public charging provision planned well - albeit i believe the Scots don't actually charge you.

ELM327

Silent Running wrote: »

And we will also have a rather large block for people to take up EV ownership. If the cost to charge is the same, or even close, as running a diesel, why would anyone put up with the wait time to charge. They'll just stay with their diesels.

We have enough blocks to uptake including manufacturer gouging customers, lack of vehicle choice, ESB only half-heartedly committed to keeping the network, such as it it, running, etc. We don't need to add excessive charging. Anything over peak rate domestic charge per unit will do the job of keeping the chargers clear. No need to punish those that have no choice but to use the public network.

6c/kWh at home for 99% of charging or you've bought the wrong car

Silent Running

ELM327 wrote: »

6c/kWh at home for 99% of charging or you've bought the wrong car

Not that simple though. A part of the decision process to move to EV would be the need to get a day/night meter, and the extra annual costs associated with that. Most people would use the worst case figures in their calculations, which would be their current 24 hour rate, and would include VAT.

99% would only apply after a fee was introduced to use the chargers. I have nothing to back this up, but I can't imagine there are very many people currently doing 99% of their charging at home, while there's free electricity to be had. Human nature and all that.

Because of my use pattern and necessity (and my nature as a human:P) I reckon that 95% of my charging is done on the public network. I know of some where that figure is 100%.

Fees for charging should be high enough to chase the likes of me back to their home chargers, where possible,:o but not so high as to be a negative factor in the decision process.