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Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh
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Moving to a night meter is free.Silent Running wrote: »Not that simple though. A part of the decision process to move to EV would be the need to get a day/night meter, and the extra annual costs associated with that. Most people would use the worst case figures in their calculations, which would be their current 24 hour rate, and would include VAT.
99% would only apply after a fee was introduced to use the chargers. I have nothing to back this up, but I can't imagine there are very many people currently doing 99% of their charging at home, while there's free electricity to be had. Human nature and all that.
Because of my use pattern and necessity (and my nature as a human:P) I reckon that 95% of my charging is done on the public network. I know of some where that figure is 100%.
Fees for charging should be high enough to chase the likes of me back to their home chargers, where possible,:o but not so high as to be a negative factor in the decision process.
I believe once you use 20% of your energy at night it is advantageous to have one, and for me, I had a night meter before I had my EV for that reason.
Whether it's 6c at night or worst case 17c at day time for 99% of the charging it's still not even in the same stratosphere as fossil fuel. If 95-100% of your charging is on the public network by necessity then you have bought the wrong car.
If it's 95-100% of your charging is on the public network now for cheapness then you just don't value your time. It costs approx €2 on night rate to charge an Ioniq from 0 to full. If sitting at a fast charger for 34 minutes from 0 to 94% is worth €2 to you then you need either a better paid job or a reality check.0 -
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Are you talking SCP or FCP charging? Do you spend alot of time waiting around for the car to charge?
Why dont you charge at home... is it just to save the few quid you do it?€2 per charge saving, even if he's charging all the time at fast chargers it means he values his time at best at €4 per hour, and this does not exclude time spent driving to and from the fast charger.
He is a prime example of why we need payment for charging now, and why it needs to be dearer than home charging by some margin.
Wow, wow, steady on there. My usage pattern is not the normal commute to work and home. I'm retired and live the life of leisure. Yesterday I ran up to Dublin, did a bit of stuff up there and ran back down. 2 fast charges required, so shoot me.
Tomorrow, I'll go into Wexford, do a bit of shopping and have lunch, while my car will be on a slow charger. That's what they're for, right? I plan to go to Waterford over the weekend, where I'll use a destination charger.
You two are talking like I'm a two headed demon, without knowing my usage and charging pattern. Of course I charge at home. Of course I use fast chargers as necessary, on route, of course I use destination charging. I don't think I'm at all unique in my usage, maybe I'm just more honest.
Jeez, high horse brigade out in force today.
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Silent Running wrote: »Wow, wow, steady on there. My usage pattern is not the normal commute to work and home. I'm retired and live the life of leisure. Yesterday I ran up to Dublin, did a bit of stuff up there and ran back down. 2 fast charges required, so shoot me.
Tomorrow, I'll go into Wexford, do a bit of shopping and have lunch, while my car will be on a slow charger. That's what they're for, right? I plan to go to Waterford over the weekend, where I'll use a destination charger.
You two are talking like I'm a two headed demon, without knowing my usage and charging pattern. Of course I charge at home. Of course I use fast chargers as necessary, on route, of course I use destination charging. I don't think I'm at all unique in my usage, maybe I'm just more honest.
Jeez, high horse brigade out in force today.
Wow wow steady on there. I didnt put you down at all. I asked you some basic questions, without any judgement at all, and you've given the answers. Thanks!
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Are you talking SCP or FCP charging? Do you spend alot of time waiting around for the car to charge?
Why dont you charge at home... is it just to save the few quid you do it?Wow wow steady on there. I didnt put you down at all. I asked you some basic questions, without any judgement at all, and you've given the answers. Thanks!
Well, the bolded part was an assumption that I never charge at home, and that I'm just a miser.
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Doesnt align with:Silent Running wrote: »Wow, wow, steady on there. My usage pattern is not the normal commute to work and home. I'm retired and live the life of leisure. Yesterday I ran up to Dublin, did a bit of stuff up there and ran back down. 2 fast charges required, so shoot me.
Tomorrow, I'll go into Wexford, do a bit of shopping and have lunch, while my car will be on a slow charger. That's what they're for, right? I plan to go to Waterford over the weekend, where I'll use a destination charger.
You two are talking like I'm a two headed demon, without knowing my usage and charging pattern. Of course I charge at home. Of course I use fast chargers as necessary, on route, of course I use destination charging. I don't think I'm at all unique in my usage, maybe I'm just more honest.
Jeez, high horse brigade out in force today.Silent Running wrote: »Not that simple though. A part of the decision process to move to EV would be the need to get a day/night meter, and the extra annual costs associated with that. Most people would use the worst case figures in their calculations, which would be their current 24 hour rate, and would include VAT.
99% would only apply after a fee was introduced to use the chargers. I have nothing to back this up, but I can't imagine there are very many people currently doing 99% of their charging at home, while there's free electricity to be had. Human nature and all that.
Because of my use pattern and necessity (and my nature as a human:P) I reckon that 95% of my charging is done on the public network. I know of some where that figure is 100%.
Fees for charging should be high enough to chase the likes of me back to their home chargers, where possible,:o but not so high as to be a negative factor in the decision process.0 -
Silent Running wrote: »Well, the bolded part was an assumption that I never charge at home, and that I'm just a miser.
You said 95% of your charging was on the public network so I knew you had a home charger for the other 5%. I then asked you why you were using the public network so much and asked if it was to save money or not.
No assumptions, just a question which I asked and you have answered.
Nowhere in my post did I put you down.0 -
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How does it not? My usage pattern allows for me to us the public network most of the time. Again, that's what destination chargers are for, right? I only use fast chargers as a necessity, I don't go out of my way to use them, not that there are any CCS chargers within an asses roar of where I live.
I'm not the first to post on here that I use the public charging network as an opportunist, and I'm far from the only one to do it. Are you saying that you don't plug in to the public network when you can? Probably not, because that would make you a hypocrite.
Look, lads, this is all great banter, but be realistic. I'm sure most of us take advantage of the free charge when it's available. Am I wrong in this? Am I just a miserable git? I won't deny that it's possible and that a fixed income over many years will do that to you. 0 -
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The prices of the Ioniq in general seem a little perplexing, is it just the short supply I wonder? I'm debating swapping one of the Leafs for an Ioniq to try it out, but looking on Autotrader at say these three -
2016 - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201810171586932 £21000
2017 - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201811072220909 £23400
2018 - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201810251831824 £22995
How are these all so closely priced given they're same specs, similar(ish) low mileage, same colour, all from dealers etc but three years of different ages. Hard to know what good value is 0 -
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A second hand, white (!!!) Ioniq for over €40k is ridiculous. Must be a typo. Even at €30k it would be poor value
If you want one, try and get a better deal or bring one in from the UK (from about £20k, so about €23k landed if you do it yourself for a 2017 car)
I'm not sure what the problem is here. It's a brand new car with 15kms on it. The price isn't "insane", it's clearly before grants, and €30k would be about right for a new Ioniq. What's the drama? 0 -
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Pretty stupid for a dealer to advertise the price before grants, for a start
Then why would anyone pay more than the full RRP for a 182 car when they can have the same car for the same money on 191 plates in 6 weeks time?
Yeah, stupid alright. At least include it somewhere else on the ad.
Loads of people are now buying cars for January delivery. No need for this car to be any different. It could be registered straight away, but it would take a certain type of fool to do that.
Anyone remember the days of cars driving around for months with bits of cardboard saying "for reg" stuck to the reg plate space? 0 -
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Silent Running wrote: »Yeah, stupid alright. At least include it somewhere else on the ad.
Loads of people are now buying cars for January delivery. No need for this car to be any different. It could be registered straight away, but it would take a certain type of fool to do that.
Anyone remember the days of cars driving around for months with bits of cardboard saying "for reg" stuck to the reg plate space?
That driving around with no reg was very much a thing around 1988 to 1990.
You were winning on the double - you got to shout to the world in November that you had a new car by having no plates.
You then got to shout to the world you had a new car for the 2nd time in January the following year by having the new years registration.
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Thanks,
Still a bit surreal, hadn't really planned to by one today, but my current car is falling apart so that accelerated plans somewhat.
It's a lovely car, I also test drove the Model S and Leaf for comparison.
I got scrappage on the Ioniq so for 26k on the road it's a bargain.
It's nice to drive and very comfortable. I would have liked leather and an app to control the preheating etc, but for the price I'm happy.
Collecting first week in January, seems aaagggeeesss away now
Thanks for all the advice on this forum, there isn't a hope I'd have gotten one without the help and tips here.
Cheers,
Big "Electric" Al 0 -
Wow, sure is, I paid that for a 171 earlier this year!Thanks,
Still a bit surreal, hadn't really planned to by one today, but my current car is falling apart so that accelerated plans somewhat.
It's a lovely car, I also test drove the Model S and Leaf for comparison.
I got scrappage on the Ioniq so for 26k on the road it's a bargain.
It's nice to drive and very comfortable. I would have liked leather and an app to control the preheating etc, but for the price I'm happy.
Collecting first week in January, seems aaagggeeesss away now
Thanks for all the advice on this forum, there isn't a hope I'd have gotten one without the help and tips here.
Cheers,
Big "Electric" Al
Well wear.0 -
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Thanks,
Still a bit surreal, hadn't really planned to by one today, but my current car is falling apart so that accelerated plans somewhat.
It's a lovely car, I also test drove the Model S and Leaf for comparison.
I got scrappage on the Ioniq so for 26k on the road it's a bargain.
It's nice to drive and very comfortable. I would have liked leather and an app to control the preheating etc, but for the price I'm happy.
Collecting first week in January, seems aaagggeeesss away now
Thanks for all the advice on this forum, there isn't a hope I'd have gotten one without the help and tips here.
Cheers,
Big "Electric" Al
Congrats, what colour did you get? Put a deposit down on a yet to arrive black one today.0 -
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