Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

unkel

Sweet deal for €26k

Well wear!

Anyone care to dig up the boards.ie Ioniq EV owners list and update it? We must be getting close to 40 of us now.

BigAl81

unkel wrote: »

Sweet deal for €26k

Jasus, if Unkel is telling me I did well I must have gotten the car for half nothing

Actually, does anyone know, can I set a timer to preheat the car (seats, steering wheel etc) and have pre-heat come on when the car is not plugged in?

I can't' see anything about it in the manual.

Thanks,
Al.

patmac

BigAl81 wrote: »

Had a choice of black or white and went white. Had a black car for 5 years so just fancied a chance!

Reading the 550 page manual now!

Is that online?

unkel

BigAl81 wrote: »

Actually, does anyone know, can I set a timer to preheat the car (seats, steering wheel etc) and have pre-heat come on when the car is not plugged in?

Yep, you can pre-heat the car on the timer, but the car has to be plugged in. Works well. Not sure if that includes seats / steering wheel. I don't think so. But who needs a heated seat when the inside temp is 23C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTnVJdlfnvk

Another tip: connect the car to your home's wifi. Once you have done that once, as soon as you switch on the car every morning, it will automatically connect and update live traffic info. Takes just a few seconds.

unkel

BigAl81 wrote: »

Jasus, if Unkel is telling me I did well I must have gotten the car for half nothing

It's insane that Hyundai are still giving away €4k scrappage on end of life cars (like yours and mine were). But I guess we are not complaining

In the USA there is zero discount, in fact all Ioniq EVs sold there are loaded with a USD3,000 premium on top of the full recommended retail price (because they can - big demand out there and little to no supply and Ioniq is still cheaper than Leaf or Bolt, or indeed a lot cheaper than Model 3)

slave1

unkel wrote: »

Yep, you can pre-heat the car on the timer, but the car has to be plugged in. Works well. Not sure if that includes seats / steering wheel. I don't think so..

This is the greatest limitation on the Ioniq for herself, having the Leaf and pre-heating at this time of the year (often multiple times a day) is a feature she would never live without now.
Hopefully the larger battery Ioniq will coincide with a Hyundai GSM deal to allow full remote of the heating/Air con

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

This is the greatest limitation on the Ioniq for herself, having the Leaf and pre-heating at this time of the year (often multiple times a day) is a feature she would never live without now.

Pre-heating does work!

There is no app though in Europe (there is in the USA)

But even if you don't use it, the car warms up extremely quickly thanks to its 7kW heatpump which is crazy powerful for such a small space

slave1

I meant remote App pre-heating/AC on a whim, I know it works in the US and hence the GSM comment as I thought I read/heard somewhere that Hyundai had signed up some European deal

liamog

slave1 wrote: »

I meant remote App pre-heating/AC on a whim, I know it works in the US and hence the GSM comment as I thought I read/heard somewhere that Hyundai had signed up some European deal

Hyundai/Kia have signed a deal with Vodafone for fleet services, will probably be summer next year when we start seeing apps for their vehicles

BigAl81

patmac wrote: »

Is that online?

Yeah, I Googled it and found this...

https://carmanuals2.com/get/hyundai-ioniq-electric-2019-owner-s-manual-112530

BigAl81

Hi,

Is anyone worried about theft of your Ioniq by boosting the signal from your key in the house to the car on the drive?

Seems common enough in other cars?

Have people disabled keyless entry? Do you stash your keys in a Faraday pouch overnight? What if your down the shops?

Thanks,
Al.

Shefwedfan

BigAl81 wrote: »

Hi,

Is anyone worried about theft of your Ioniq by boosting the signal from your key in the house to the car on the drive?

Seems common enough in other cars?

Have people disabled keyless entry? Do you stash your keys in a Faraday pouch overnight? What if your down the shops?

Thanks,
Al.

Just disable it....Or as my friend said, "let them take it if they want it, stay outside of my house "

liamog

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just disable it....Or as my friend said, "let them take it if they want it, stay outside of my house "

Apparently it's not possible to disable on the Ioniq or Kona.

ELM327

Saw two Ioniq electrics on my way to work today, both around blanchardstown.
A white 181 MH with rear window duck taped on, and a black 171 (same as mine). After seeing a shiny new white model X yesterday in traffic in Blanch too, and a myriad of leafs, I really think the EV market is growing this year and finally we seem to be getting some Ioniqs sold to counteract those pesky leafs :P

Zenith74

ELM327 wrote: »

After seeing a shiny new white model X yesterday in traffic in Blanch too, and a myriad of leafs, I really think the EV market is growing this year and finally we seem to be getting some Ioniqs sold to counteract those pesky leafs :P

No doubt, it's a VERY rare day that I don't pass another EV on the road now. This chart is pretty telling I think - https://www.reddit.com/r/evs_ireland/comments/9wnxgi/cumulative_electric_vehicle_sales_trend_ireland/, looking forward to seeing what it looks like mid next year as things continue to pick up. Though it looks so impressive because the sales figures were so abysmal in the past :rolleyes:

ELM327

Zenith74 wrote: »

No doubt, it's a VERY rare day that I don't pass another EV on the road now. This chart is pretty telling I think - https://www.reddit.com/r/evs_ireland/comments/9wnxgi/cumulative_electric_vehicle_sales_trend_ireland/, looking forward to seeing what it looks like mid next year as things continue to pick up. Though it looks so impressive because the sales figures were so abysmal in the past :rolleyes:

As someone who works with statistics that graph annoys me.
You have used a continuous graph for non continuous data.

Zenith74

I haven't used anything, that's from the CSO via DCCAE . But as somebody who does not work with statistics, can you explain your point in more detail, I'm curious?

ELM327

The points are not continuous, ie there is no value between the total for 1 month vs the next (or one day to the next whatever the source data is)
Continuous data requires data for day 1, day 1.01 etc, data like the total car sales for each month should be expressed in something like a bar chart.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

The points are not continuous, ie there is no value between the total for 1 month vs the next (or one day to the next whatever the source data is)
Continuous data requires data for day 1, day 1.01 etc, data like the total car sales for each month should be expressed in something like a bar chart.

I think its normal enough practice to show it as a line to convey a trend.

I'm sure the CSO know a thing or two about graphs!

Zenith74

Oh gotcha, so if they'd just used a dot for each month that would be correct (but hard to read, so bar chart would be better), but by joining up the dots and forming a line they're basically interpolating the data between those points. Think for your average statistically challenging grunt like me these line charts paint a good picture, but I can see where a connoisseur might not like it

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

I think its normal enough practice to show it as a line to convey a trend.

I'm sure the CSO know a thing or two about graphs!

Zenith74 wrote: »

Oh gotcha, so if they'd just used a dot for each month that would be correct (but hard to read, so bar chart would be better), but by joining up the dots and forming a line they're basically interpolating the data between those points. Think for your average statistically challenging grunt like me these line charts paint a good picture, but I can see where a connoisseur might not like it

Guess I'm just a nerd so. Apologies. :cool::D

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

I really think the EV market is growing this year

Total number of EVs on the road at the end of this year is about double that at the end of last year. In other words 100% growth! Still small numbers though. Less than 0.4% of our private vehicles are EVs

What's far more telling is some anecdotal evidence. I'm sure many of you will have experienced this too. At the end of last year, the idea of owning an EV was still very strange to most people. At the end of this year, pretty much everybody has realised we will all be driving EVs soon enough. 2018 was the year of the definitive switch to EVs imho

ELM327

2018 was the year where people accepted that the switch will happen.
IMO the year of the switch will be 2020.

Soarer

So my buddy bought a new Ioniq PHEV a couple of weeks back, collected it on the 17th.
Warning light this morning en route from Dublin to Cork. Hybrid System Failure or something.
Rang the dealer. They told him not to drive it, and to ring the AA.

Not a great start. Would he be within his rights to hand it back and look for a 191?

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

2018 was the year where people accepted that the switch will happen.
IMO the year of the switch will be 2020.

How do you define "the year of the switch"?

The percentage of EVs sold will still be only small. Hopefully out of the single figures, but almost certainly below 25%, even if we got widely available EVs for €20-€30k and the Model 3 for below €40k

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

How do you define "the year of the switch"?

The percentage of EVs sold will still be only small. Hopefully out of the single figures, but almost certainly below 25%, even if we got widely available EVs for €20-€30k and the Model 3 for below €40k

I would define the year of the switch as the year when EVs go from <1% to a larger part of the market. Realistically I could go 100+ cars and not see any EV at the moment, it's still a novelty to see any EV other than a gen 1/1.5 leaf.


When its at the 1 in 10 stage, that's the year of the EV.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

When its at the 1 in 10 stage, that's the year of the EV.

Over 10% of newly registered cars being EVs? Yeah that would be 2020, agreed.

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

Would he be within his rights to hand it back and look for a 191?

Of course not. You kinda knew that already, didn't you?

When anything you buy develops a fault, it is up to the supplier to either refund, repair or replace it (their choice).

Legits

Hi All, long time luker.
I am looking at the 2019 Ioniq. What is the best price i can expect to negotiate?
I have a 2007 diesel Passat to trade/scrap.

My commute is 90km each way 180 total on National roads. I have charging at work and plan to install a home charger.

Any tips on the car and negotiating the purchase would be much appreciated.

unkel

BigAl81 on here just got a 2019 Ioniq for €26k on the road (solid white paint) with scrappage. See a few posts up. That was a great deal. That's what you should be aiming for.

I got mine in 2017 for €25k on the road (metallic paint) with scrappage. I don't think anyone has beaten that and I expect no one will beat that in 2019 either

Legits

Great stuff, thanks unkel will target €26k.
Is there any extras to look out for I like the black colour at the moment but I know it does show the dirt up alot.

Will I need to charge at work with my commute or would it be ok on 180km daily commute.

unkel

No extras / options possible except metallic paint. Phantom black is a great colour on Ioniq.

If you'll be ok or not on your commute depends on your trip / your speed. If it is all motorway at 120km/h, you will struggle on a bad day in winter. But mostly you should be fine. But why not charge at work if it is free?

Also, get a home charger installed. You get €600 subsidy for that. If you are careful, you can have a chargepoint installed for that, effectively making it free. Also get a night rate meter. And register your car for the toll discount. 75% discount on the M50 tolls off peak, not too shabby!

Water John

I've no problem with the bigger battery costing a few K. Really long haul vehicle in the early 30s.

BigAl81

unkel wrote: »

BigAl81 on here just got a 2019 Ioniq for €26k on the road (solid white paint) with scrappage.

Yep, 26k on the road. That was sticker price plus delivery and related bollix charges, less 4k scrappage.

There was no negotiating. The guy said he would make €250 on the sale so couldn't budge on price.

I guess you can ask them to top up the battery, and throw in some mats!

Best of luck with it!

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

IMO the year of the switch will be 2020.

About the time the 10k government incentive will end imo, just as the sales pick up.

Battery costs are not going to come down 10k in that time frame and manufacturers are not going to absorb it, especially when ICE cars are far more profitable, they'd prefer you buy one of those

All the autogiants have got way too much money invested in ICE cars

Choking the supply of EVs as we have now forces people to buy ICE, keep profits up, not firing thousands of workers and keeping EVs niche

Only hope is Tesla can keep growing and some Chinese manufacturers we never heard of start selling in Europe

Whats happening in the US right now is worth watching as when EV push starts, thousands are going to lose jobs in the car manufacturering industry

VW, BMW, Mercedes are already lobbying in Germany and warning of impending doom of job losses, no government wants to be remembered for that

Hyundai Union chief has already called EVs evil

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/27/hyundai-union-chief-evs-are-evil-will-destroy-jobs/

Ye expect these companies to push EV revolution ?

Fiery mutant

In all honesty though, I think that is the case in a lot of employment roles. Major developments in technological innovation and automation will be starting to push humans out of job roles, and we can see that happening across the world, with a lot of discussion going on elsewhere about it.

I don’t think that is to be feared. We can’t remain stagnant and non progressive just so some people can keep jobs.

People need to adapt and move with these changing times. That may sound like a ****ty deal, but it’s the way of it.

KCross

Fiery mutant wrote: »

In all honesty though, I think that is the case in a lot of employment roles. Major developments in technological innovation and automation will be starting to push humans out of job roles, and we can see that happening across the world, with a lot of discussion going on elsewhere about it.

I don’t think that is to be feared. We can’t remain stagnant and non progressive just so some people can keep jobs.

People need to adapt and move with these changing times. That may sound like a ****ty deal, but it’s the way of it.

True, but a key difference here is that usually when technology replaces a human its in the companies best interest to fire the human to save costs.

Its not quite the same in the auto industry as they have billions of up front capital invested in their ICE plants and that is slowing them down from wanting to change. Its not just the auto worker thats on the chopping block, its their capital investment that they made years ago and still on their balance sheets.

If it was just a case of firing a few thousand people and sticking in batteries and have the same margins they'd have done it years ago.

This mass adoption to EV's, I think, is going to be slower than we think for multiple reasons....
- manufacturers generally dont want it
- lack of battery supply. There are new plants coming on stream but its still only a drop in the ocean from whats required to go to mass adoption, particularly with 60kWh becoming the new norm.
- people in general still dont trust it until they see the same EV range as an ICE. We know thats not required, but thats what the public want. More education is required.
- charging issues.... particularly off-street. The new Ionity and eCars charging hubs will hopefully be up and running by 2020 but the off-street charging issue is still going to hold a significant number of people back from switching. Govt need to get the finger out on that one.
- lack of choice - even if VW and Tesla deliver high quantities in 2020 everyone doesnt want a Golf or an Ioniq or a Leaf.
- it will remain expensive for quite a while and, as thierry has said, once it becomes cheaper they will pull the incentives which will bump it back up.

All solvable in time, but not by 2020, imho.

BigAl81

Hi Ioniq owners!

I've a range question for you.

Do you think the following journey is possible on a single charge. If so, even in the winter??

Trip would be from Dublin to County Down. 170kms in total. The breakdown is...

16 kms suburban and M50 @ 90km/h

88 kms M1 @ 110 km/h

40 kms A1 @ 100 km/h

25 kms very hilly country backroads @ 70 km/h

All speeds would be as indicated on the dash of the car, not gps actual speeds.

So what do you think, is that possible without stopping to charge??

Thanks,
Al.

unkel

Yes Al, no problem at all doing that trip even in winter without stopping to charge.

BigAl81

That's great, thanks

Would you hazard a guess what range I'd have left in the tank when I arrive?

Would that allow for using the heated seats / AC or whatever as well?

Haven't picked up the car yet and
already have range anxiety ha ha.

Thanks again!
Al.

unkel

You won't have much range left in winter when using A/C as well

That said, you should still comfortably make that trip you described without any range anxiety. But range anxiety can be an irrational thing. You need to make that trip taking it handy a few times, just to convince yourself it's no problem. Then the range anxiety will go away.

BigAl81

Thanks again!!

What range are people getting on thier GOM's now that the weather is a bit cooler?

Are you noticing much of a drop off?

unkel

Yes. I got consistently 235-240km in summer. Now just 200km. Driving it hard, always in sports mode, but around the Dublin area, so no sustained intercity motorway driving

GOM is accurate and reliable, but estimating 2km times percentage left is even more accurate when the range is getting shorter

ewj1978

BigAl, If you're going up them M1 there's quite a few fast chargers. Just stop for a quick 10 minutes to allay any fear.

zg3409

>Would you hazard a guess what range >I'd have left in the tank when I arrive?
>Would that allow for using the heated >seats / AC or whatever as well?

I get 200km on display at 100% charge, all motorway about 100km/h in rush hour 120km/h on parts on m50, worst range is 196km so far. I drive in normal mode, cruise control, heated seats air con, lights etc. Some simple things can help range like setting the car to preheat every morning, and charging late at night. This helps keep the battery warm on cold mornings, keeping your range up in winter. I would be worried 2 or 3 weeks a year when temperature is frosty, I would expect 30km left on display. You would need to be careful on those days of road works, diversions, extra trips on lunch break, extra trips to shops on the way home. Stick it in eco mode put on heated seat but turn off a/c. If you can drive in slow lane when you need to, say on the way home it would help, and you would not need to worry. 99% of trips should be no issue, and I think you pass some fast chargers as backup.

irishgrover

I get consistent 179km early spring to late autumn. I'm currently getting between 165 and 169. 90% of my driving is on open motorway without traffic. I tend to average between 125 and 130 kmph indicated.

Silent Running

zg3409 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln0Y78ni4X8

So I nearly crashed my EV ioniq earlier this week on the m50 in morning rush hour. As captured on dashcam above I was driving in adaptive cruise with 2 bar distance set, then the automatic emergency braking (aeb) kicked in. (You can hear beeping on audio) I thought I was going to hit the car in front so also applied brakes myself at last second as car did not seem to be fully stopping. It felt as it was not putting on the brakes hard enough, particularly near the end.

On reading the manual afterwards it says above 50mph the aeb may not actually bring the car to a stop and it may also not fully stop the car before hitting the car in front. The conditions were nearly perfect, dry road, car directly in front, car already slowing using adaptive cruise. It was dark. The ioniq uses both radar and camera for aeb so it is quite an advanced system compared to may cars with similar systems.

I see some interesting links about aeb, second one not ioniq specific:

https://www.ioniqforum.com/forum/7-hyundai-ioniq-general-discussion/10458-emergency-braking-range.html#/topics/10458?page=1

https://www.autotrader.com/car-shopping/your-automatic-braking-system-might-not-stop-your--257115

The moral of the story is that the beeps mean you should brake the car and the aeb is actually designed to not stop you before you hit the car in front in some situations, particularly at motorway speeds. The adaptive cruise will not slow you fast enough in many sudden situations and aeb is just a last resort partial collision reduction system and will NOT apply the anchors even if a driver would, as it is designed not to suddenly stop on a motorway. I stopped with 1 to 2ft to spare and the car behind me stopped within a couple of feet of rear ending me. If I had applied the brakes really hard at the start, it is very likely I would have been rear ended. You can brake harder than the aeb system at high speeds and the system expects you to do so if required, as it will not.

Of course if you buy a paddy spec kona, you might find yourself out of luck as the paddy spec does not have aeb.

Stay safe

Sorry about the late reply to this, I meant to come back on it but life got in the way. I was reminded about the issue over the weekend on the M25 in the UK on a long cruise control run.

If you are using the adaptive cruise control and have it set to, say, 100kph, but need to override it with the throttle to go a bit faster, you can bring on this situation. After a while the cruise seems to get the hump at being overridden (ooh matron) and switches off. It does tell you with a small "bing" and a short message on the display, but it can be easy to miss.

ELM327

BigAl81 wrote: »

Thanks again!!

What range are people getting on thier GOM's now that the weather is a bit cooler?

Are you noticing much of a drop off?

My GOM consistently shows between 165 and 175.
The only driving it gets now (since the home charger install) is motorway at 130+ with full heating on, heated seats, etc.


Longest trip is 175km and it does that with no issue even when the GOM said 165. Seems it's a) quite pessimistic and b) very much biased by prior driving!

Is there a trick to reset it, like in the Zoe, I wonder!

Jeditraining1

Any got any more details / price on the 40kW upgrade for the 28kW Ioniq? haven't heard anything in a while now.

jeremy_g

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Any got any more details / price on the 40kW upgrade for the 28kW Ioniq? haven't heard anything in a while now.

that was just a rumour around 2017/18 which was never confirmed or denied by Hyundai. so far there is no planned upgrade