Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

deegs

Got my 191 booked this week for 26k which included 4k scrappage on a car I bought 6 months ago for 1k.

unkel

deegs wrote: »

Got my 191 booked this week for 26k

BigAl81 also ordered his 191 in solid white for 26k a few weeks ago. I imagine this is the very best you can do at the moment for a brand new Ioniq EV. Very good value

I got mine at the start of last year, with metallic paint, for 25k

If you can get a deal like this, the car is far better value for money new rather than second hand. If you do prefer to spend a few grand less, keep an eye on the bargain thread in this folder. From time to time they come up both here and in the UK (but not many). Or you could source one from Phil Fitzgerald in electricautos.ie

Ballylad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ballylad wrote: »

Anyone get any trade in prices against kona ev for 171 Ioniq ev thnks

How much do you want?

Whatever is the going rate, have 70000kms, black, new tyres , full service history

Ballylad

Perfect!

unkel

@liamog - iirc you once saw a very high regen figure. How much was it?

This chap here seems to consistently have got a max of 87kW regen when braking hard, but only when he is already in regen level 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CidaGSqjwmg

liamog

Highest I can find in my available data is a 247A @ 341Vdc to give 84kW.
Though I could of swore I had 95kW in a previous dataset.

I think it may have been due to how I was manipulating the data. I'd reported the max amps at one point then at another point said the max power used which was 95.75kW and may have conflated the two.

ELM327

Max I've ever seen (and I've been watching the screen intermittently since posts here) was 87/88kW
That was gently applying the brake pedal and using the full regen #3 at ~150km/h (private road ). So I can't see a scenario where it would be more than that.

87kW of regen is still very very impressive and coming from my leaf that only had max 30kW of regen it was a different world!

liamog

The powertrain is capable of 88kW, so it makes sense that it would be the limit.

KCross

liamog wrote: »

The powertrain is capable of 88kW, so it makes sense that it would be the limit.

You'd wonder then why they cant take that at the rapids?

unkel

KCross wrote: »

You'd wonder then why they cant take that at the rapids?

Technically they probably can, but likely programmed to charge slightly slower. Same as it probably isn't good for the battery to use the full 88kW to accelerate for 15 seconds and then brake for 15 seconds, accelerate for 15 seconds, etc. for 15 minutes continuously, which nobody would do much in practice, not even me or ELM427

Old diesel

KCross wrote: »

You'd wonder then why they cant take that at the rapids?

The period it will be taking 88 kw under braking will be very short vs the 15 to 20 mins it might be asked to take 88 kw on a rapid were it allowed to do so.

You've got to look at longer term battery durability and how the cooling system for the battery can handle it and remember that Hyundai are designing these cars to handle various climate scenarios and tempertures.

To use a diesel parallel - you've people getting say 200 bhp from their 140 bhp diesel just by remapping and the obvious question is why not make that car 200 bhp from the factory.

But in reality the car maker is building in some room for tolerance for reliability and to help meet emissions etc

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Technically they probably can, but likely programmed to charge slightly slower. Same as it probably isn't good for the battery to use the full 88kW to accelerate for 15 seconds and then brake for 15 seconds, accelerate for 15 seconds, etc. for 15 minutes continuously, which nobody would do much in practice, not even me or ELM427

If it had a 40kWh battery they probably would release that extra capability.

Legits

To the people who ordered a 2019 Ioniq. Did you get to test drive one before ordering. no one in the south west seems to have stock.

1874

just looking at prices here and the UK, reading more on it, it appears there would be no vrt on import of an EV up to €35k, is it correct that if i were to import an EV from the UK for less than that, I would not be liable for vrt? or have I misinterpreted it.

ELM327

1874 wrote: »

just looking at prices here and the UK, reading more on it, it appears there would be no vrt on import of an EV up to €35k, is it correct that if i were to import an EV from the UK for less than that, I would not be liable for vrt? or have I misinterpreted it.

You have misinterpreted slightly


Doesnt matter if you paid 3500 or 35000, it's what revenue deem it to be worth, the "OMSP".

irishgrover

ELM327 wrote: »

You have misinterpreted slightly


Doesnt matter if you paid 3500 or 35000, it's what revenue deem it to be worth, the "OMSP".

yeah, when I bough mine last year the OMSP was over 35000 so I waited a week (to new month) and the OMSP has depriciated to under €35000.

EG Current OMSP for Ioniq Premium SE
1st registered October 2018 = 36399
1st registered September 2018 =32313
Seems a bit extreme, depriciation of over €1000 per week, but there ya go...

unkel

You got that from the online VRT calculator, irishgrover?

Shefwedfan

A friend was asking, to get the trade in money off the Ioniq can you just go out and buy a car and use it? or do you have to drive the car for 6 months? Do the dealers check?

I think I seen something about the car having to be in your name

1874

ELM327 wrote: »

You have misinterpreted slightly


Doesnt matter if you paid 3500 or 35000, it's what revenue deem it to be worth, the "OMSP".

That doesnt really clear it up, why even answer so vaguely?
what I read today makes it look like an EV does not attract VRT, I assumed it did as Id not read anything specifically to the contrary. Im not specifying the actual cost, I know revenue does that re OMSP. I just gathered from what I was reading that none was due and asked for clarification.

slave1

1874 wrote: »

That doesnt really clear it up, why even answer so vaguely?
what I read today makes it look like an EV does not attract VRT, I assumed it did as Id not read anything specifically to the contrary. Im not specifying the actual cost, I know revenue does that re OMSP. I just gathered from what I was reading that none was due and asked for clarification.

It (an EV) attracts VRT like every other car, except the first €5k is exempt so the Revenue Calculator will result in a zero VRT e.g. VRT of €4,000 payable then the calculator will show zero, VRT of €6,000 then the calculator will show €1,000

1874

slave1 wrote: »

It (an EV) attracts VRT like every other car, except the first €5k is exempt so the Revenue Calculator will result in a zero VRT e.g. VRT of €4,000 payable then the calculator will show zero, VRT of €6,000 then the calculator will show €1,000

Thank you

irishgrover

unkel wrote:

You got that from the online VRT calculator, irishgrover?

Yes

ELM327

1874 wrote: »

That doesnt really clear it up, why even answer so vaguely?
what I read today makes it look like an EV does not attract VRT, I assumed it did as Id not read anything specifically to the contrary. Im not specifying the actual cost, I know revenue does that re OMSP. I just gathered from what I was reading that none was due and asked for clarification.

It's perfectly clear to me.
If you're going to ask a question and argue with the valid replies I can suggest Google as a better resource

Fiery mutant

So, a question regarding the option to upgrade the battery (if it comes to fruition). What impact will this have on the performance of the car?

From what i’m aware, the space and ability to upgrade the battery have been built into the car, but with the added weight will it have a significant impact on car performance and hold on the road.

It is an option I would probably avail of if it did become available, and obviously cost would be a factor, but would it be worth it in the end?

ELM327

Fiery mutant wrote: »

So, a question regarding the option to upgrade the battery (if it comes to fruition). What impact will this have on the performance of the car?

From what i’m aware, the space and ability to upgrade the battery have been built into the car, but with the added weight will it have a significant impact on car performance and hold on the road.

It is an option I would probably avail of if it did become available, and obviously cost would be a factor, but would it be worth it in the end?

Ioniq with 39kWh would be a modest increase in range (probably 80km or so)
Ioniq with 64kWh would be a beast and I'd probably pay for that even in preference to model 3

cros13

Fiery mutant wrote: »

From what i’m aware, the space and ability to upgrade the battery have been built into the car, but with the added weight will it have a significant impact on car performance and hold on the road.

A common misconception.

There is generally no/minimal weight difference between capacities offered on the same platform. The difference in capacity is normally down to chemistry, not usually additional battery cells (Tesla being a notable exception because they vary capacity by varying the number of cell modules).
The 22, 36 and 44kWh BMW i3 packs weigh within 1% of each other (despite press to the contrary the weight difference between 2013-2016 and 2016- is down to a change in the roof material from CFRP to aluminium, not a difference in the packs).

The 39kWh Kona/Ioniq pack actually weighs less than the 27kWh Ioniq pack.... because it does have less cells.

As for upgrading, it's up to the manufacturer whether they offer you a trade in program for the new pack (something required to make it financially viable). On a technical level EVs literally don't care whether the power comes from their OEM battery or an experimental nuclear reactor as long as it supplies the right voltage and is capable of providing sufficient current to meet the demand of the motor.

BigAl81

Hi,

Another Ioniq video from Tesla Bjorn, this time looking at winter efficiency at 90km/h and 120 km/h.

It was 15.6kWh and 20.6kWh consumption at 90 and 120 km/h respectively.

That gives a winter range of 180kms and 136kms at 90 and 120 km/h.

The 180kms @ 90km/h is a bit lower range than I would have hoped for. However this is at -4 degrees so not that bad.

For comparison, in summer Bjorn put the range at 80km/h at 235 kms.

Might be interesting reading for anyone looking at the winter range of the Ionic.

ELM327

Saw that yesterday. Even though I already own one, Bjorn's reviews of anything are always interesting.

Approx 10-15% worse in kWh/100km terms than I am getting at the moment, it's currently 2-5 degrees in the mornings and evenings here though, so perhaps the temperature difference explains it.
20.6kWh/100km is very high (for the Ioniq). I've driven above 130km/h and got better than that.

BigAl81

Thanks ELM,

Really invaluable to get first hand accounts from owners here, appreciate it!

Al.

sean72

Due to some timing, holiday season and electrician woes I may up having to use the 3 pin charger for a period of time when I get my ioniq in January. I have a few questions ...

Is it safe?
What length is the 3 pin cable that comes with the ioniq?
If I had to use and extension cable are there any recommendations for a heavy duty capable one?

Shefwedfan

BigAl81 wrote: »

Hi,

Another Ioniq video from Tesla Bjorn, this time looking at winter efficiency at 90km/h and 120 km/h.


It was 15.6kWh and 20.6kWh consumption at 90 and 120 km/h respectively.

That gives a winter range of 180kms and 136kms at 90 and 120 km/h.

The 180kms @ 90km/h is a bit lower range than I would have hoped for. However this is at -4 degrees so not that bad.

For comparison, in summer Bjorn put the range at 80km/h at 235 kms.

Might be interesting reading for anyone looking at the winter range of the Ionic.

Whats the range at 120km/h in summer or did he test?

slave1

This car with a 64 battery would be a fantastic option

zg3409

sean72 wrote: »

Due to some timing, holiday season and electrician woes I may up having to use the 3 pin charger for a period of time when I get my ioniq in January. I have a few questions ...

Is it safe?
What length is the 3 pin cable that comes with the ioniq?
If I had to use and extension cable are there any recommendations for a heavy duty capable one?

I am not sure which comes with car as my UK import did not come with granny cable.

My setup is here:
https://www.tog.ie/2018/10/october-2018-open-social-electric-vehicle-theme/evwith-charger/

This shows granny cable, 15 metres extension lead with waterproof socket. ( The Zappi in photo was added later ) I charged for about 3 weeks nightly. Main issues were 1) Cheap granny cable from eBay had large box near the plug so I could not run it through the letter box. I found an extension lead could be put through, but design of granny cable could not. I decided to buy a bright coloured 15 metre lead with a trailing waterproof socket on the end that is still waterproof when plug is inserted.

I got mine in woodies, but I would not recommend you buy it. Ideally you need a high grade cable with waterproof socket, capable of maximum loads constantly. Cheaper cables get warm to the touch when charging for hours at a time. Do not buy a cable on a drum. If you leave drum coiled up even slightly IT WILL catch FIRE.

You can see I stretched green cable outside house on the ground to prevent overheating and fires. I now keep it under the boot floor with the granny cable for when I visit my granny. 15 metres is plenty for emergency. My eBay granny cable is only a few metres long.

Here is the one I got which gets warm after a few hours:

https://www.woodies.ie/pro-xt-15m-weatherproof-socket-extension-lead-with-cable-tidy-1143677?utm_source=google_shopping&&gclid=Cj0KCQiAxs3gBRDGARIsAO4tqq1NAuFUEfhT4dd-k_wWl5g0msfCjXPR2O3BlmDw7oT-5-dCBkN9nkkaAg2MEALw_wcB

Ensure waterproof socket is fully sealed and connect car end last and disconnect car end first. If car end won't unplug, you need to press unlock on cars remote and plug out within a couple of seconds. Pressing unlock allows the car to stop charging for a couple of seconds and release the lock. This way there is no power going through the plugs and sockets when you unplug anything.

I also replaced the wall socket I intended using at the front door with a brand new one, and I tested it during the daytime first in case anything overheated and started a fire.

The other thing is it takes many many hours to charge, so put it on all day and night when you get home. The car display will tell you how long until full after about 5 seconds of charging.

unkel

He gets his calculation wrong. 15.6kWh/100km is not the 160-170km he mentions. It is 180km

Funnily enough my averages match what he is reporting. Over the 6 months of summer I averaged 12kWh/100km (range 235km) and since the start of winter I've averaged 16kWh/100km (range 175km)

MightyMunster

Legits wrote: »

To the people who ordered a 2019 Ioniq. Did you get to test drive one before ordering. no one in the south west seems to have stock.

Yes, had to wait a few weeks for a shipment to come in. Most of the garages around Dublin should have one

Casher

Another 191 Ioniq sold! My local garage got delivery of a phantom black yesterday, I test drove today and will be signing the paperwork on Monday evening. What a lovely car to drive, even in these conditions.

peposhi

Hot Cake Ioniq

Lovely car to be in!

ELM327

I hit turtle mode twice over the weekend, due to two unexpected trips. Which is 1 time more than I had totaled in my 7 month 31k km ownership to date.
Turtle cuts in at 4% SOC and by god does it cut in!

I charged from 4% to 100% at a standard charger and the car took just under 30kWh (~29.9). I guess the figures on the chargers are gross not net of charging losses.

Also, it just goes to show the efficiency of the car, even in the cold, once you drive slower. I did 20km on approx 7% SOC. 12kWh/100km per the onboard trip report.

fricatus

ELM327 wrote: »

Turtle cuts in at 4% SOC and by god does it cut in!

Hehe, sounds like it was a bit of a shock! I've never had it happen to me - the lowest I've ever been is 5%.

What exactly happens? Does it just severely limit speed/acceleration?

unkel

Yep, acceleration is severely limited (I presume top speed too) but you can still move normally with other traffic

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Yep, acceleration is severely limited (I presume top speed too) but you can still move normally with other traffic

You have to have regen set to 0 though, if you have regen at any other setting you can apply 7/8 throttle and still lose speed.

Fiery mutant

Anyone had any issues with the charger at m1 applegreen heading into town. Been here twice last 2 days and takes about 20 minutes and only charges about 5%.

unkel

Sounds like the same problem the fast charger at Lucan had for 3 months, before they fixed it. Is that also one of the EFACEC triple head units? Pretty unreliable crap they are. They have numerous issues with faulty card readers too. Why oh why did ESB decide to go with Portuguese made chargers rather than German / Swedish made ones?

Fiery mutant

Yeah it’s one of those, i’ve Never had an issue at any other fast charger, and after yesterday I decided to go back today to see if it was just a glitch and one time thing, but was same today.

Silent Running

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Yeah it’s one of those, i’ve Never had an issue at any other fast charger, and after yesterday I decided to go back today to see if it was just a glitch and one time thing, but was same today.

Heading back from Malin Head on Tuesday, I had to choose between Castlebellingham and Lusk to charge on the M1. I'm glad I chose Castlebellingham.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Sounds like the same problem the fast charger at Lucan had for 3 months, before they fixed it. Is that also one of the EFACEC triple head units? Pretty unreliable crap they are. They have numerous issues with faulty card readers too. Why oh why did ESB decide to go with Portuguese made chargers rather than German / Swedish made ones?

The efacec ones are better than the other non efacec ones installed here (DBT comes to mind...)


We need some ABB chargers. They have them in a lot of places in Norway and you can even queue (IE if someone is using the chademo you can plug in the CCS and start your session, which will commence delivering power once the chademo disconnects, with no further interaction required)

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

We need some ABB chargers.

That's what I mean. Not that Portuguese rubbish that the manufacturer itself took over 3 months to fix :rolleyes:

(not blaming ESB here, it was obviously beyond their capability to fix them - which sometimes is a reasonable excuse)

Macker

I was watching a YouTube video today to figure out issues I have with android auto and satnav, probably me being thick but anyhow coincendly I bought an Amazon echo today as a Christmas present, in the video a woman told the car to warm the car up, is this possible?

ELM327

Macker wrote: »

I was watching a YouTube video today to figure out issues I have with android auto and satnav, probably me being thick but anyhow coincendly I bought an Amazon echo today as a Christmas present, in the video a woman told the car to warm the car up, is this possible?

Not with the Ioniq it isn't, as there's no app support in the EU.


For other cars, potentially something like that could be possible.

ELM327

Planning a long trip over the weekend to collect a christmas present at the other side of the country.
Just under 400km, will be charging twice as it's winter.
Summer could probably have done it in one.

31k km and 7 months later and I still love long trips in this car, so comfortable and no range anxiety!