Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

nkay1985

Soarer wrote: »

If you're not in a hurry, I reckon they'll all be offering scrappage in the next 12 months.

You think so yeah? Any particular reason why?

Ryath

They had 4k scrappage in January good chance it will be offered again.

Don't have an Ioniq but did get a quote on PCP last week.
3.9% OTRP €30445 GMFV €9278 @ 15k km per year which is low and makes for higher monthlies. Should have a good bit of equity at end though.

Soarer

nkay1985 wrote: »

You think so yeah? Any particular reason why?

Just the talk of the Tesla coming in at around €40k. There's no way people will buy a Kona or L62 for similar money. So they'll have to be incentivised.
And if they drop in price, the lower models will have to drop too.

That's just my opinion. Have nothing concrete to base that on.

Shefwedfan

Soarer wrote: »

Just the talk of the Tesla coming in at around €40k. There's no way people will buy a Kona or L62 for similar money. So they'll have to be incentivised.
And if they drop in price, the lower models will have to drop too.

That's just my opinion. Have nothing concrete to base that on.

Competition and alternative will be brilliant for the market. Ioniq is gone up in price, Kona is over priced, so is Leaf

Once Tesla, VW etc hit the market the price will go down on the newer models

I wish VW and Tesla would just get arse in gear and release their cars

A Ioniq 40kwh would be good as well

gunnerfitzy

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Competition and alternative will be brilliant for the market. Ioniq is gone up in price, Kona is over priced, so is Leaf

Once Tesla, VW etc hit the market the price will go down on the newer models

I wish VW and Tesla would just get arse in gear and release their cars

A Ioniq 40kwh would be good as well

Ioniq 38.3kWh confirmed - close enough to 40kWh

https://insideevs.com/upgraded-hyundai-ioniq-electric-phev-2019/

I'm torn between the upgraded Ioniq and eNiro. Looking forward to seeing confirmed Irish specs, pricing and availability.

slave1

gunnerfitzy wrote: »

Ioniq 38.3kWh confirmed - close enough to 40kWh

https://insideevs.com/upgraded-hyundai-ioniq-electric-phev-2019/

I'm torn between the upgraded Ioniq and eNiro. Looking forward to seeing confirmed Irish specs, pricing and availability.

Already a dedicated thread...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=109182851

...else posts will get lost in this mega thread

baldshin

Question for you knowledgeable EV people, I'm looking in to the possibility of getting maybe a 2017 Ionic from the UK, budget of maybe just over €20000. My question is, am I looking at this too simply? I'm currently driving a 1.3 diesel Astra, working in Limerick and soon will be commuting from Galway. My commute will be approximately 115km each way, 95% motorway. There is a EV charger at my workplace which is free to use, in a secure carpark, where no one currently has an EV. I'll be working 12 hour shifts so plenty of time to charge at work. I'm estimating at current diesel prices I'll be spending about €100 a week in diesel. Repayments on a car loan would be around €80 per week over 5 years. Am I looking at it too simply that the savings in diesel will cover the cost of the car over the next 5 years, excluding servicing/tyres/repairs etc? What else should I consider?

unkel

baldshin wrote: »

I'm looking in to the possibility of getting maybe a 2017 Ionic from the UK, budget of maybe just over €20000

I'll stop you right there. That's not a realistic budget. The cheapest Ioniq EV we have ever seen in the UK was GBP18k in a private sale. If you can get a good exchange rate, a cheap flight and a cheap ferry, you will get that landed here on Irish plates for under EUR23k

But not for EUR20k...

So let's say you can up your budget and buy an Ioniq. If you can rely 100% on your work charger and you get a home charger, then your commute is ideal, you will be saving yourself thousands a year in fuel alone compared to diesel

baldshin

unkel wrote: »

I'll stop you right there. That's not a realistic budget. The cheapest Ioniq EV we have ever seen in the UK was GBP18k in a private sale. If you can get a good exchange rate, a cheap flight and a cheap ferry, you will get that landed here on Irish plates for under EUR23k

But not for EUR20k...

So let's say you can up your budget and buy an Ioniq. If you can rely 100% on your work charger and you get a home charger, then your commute is ideal, you will be saving yourself thousands a year in fuel alone compared to diesel

Thank for the insight! To be honest I'm in the very, very early stages of weighing up my options, hence my underestimating the cost of the car, so obviously will have to have a closer look at finances. Am I correct in saying there is nothing else really around that budget that would suit those distances without needing to stop to charge along the way? (I guess it would be a nervy trip in a Leaf, for example?)

zg3409

baldshin wrote: »

My commute will be approximately 115km each way, 95% motorway. There is a EV charger at my workplace which is free to use, in a secure carpark, where no one currently has an EV. I'll be working 12 hour shifts so plenty of time to charge at work.

115KM is no issue for ioniq. You could drive it like you stole it and be guaranteed to make it.

I would be worried about work charger. What if it is blocked, breaks for a week...for month.. if you had 4 or 5 slow chargers at work it is less of an issue. If you could granny charge at work from a normal household socket that might reduce the risk.

What if your forget to charge at home (I have done that once)

What if you forget to charge at work, or the charge stops mid way at work, how many chargers can you reach that are CCS fast chargers as backups?

I would seriously consider moving house if I was doing a 90 minute commute each way each day. Wear and tear and high mileage would affect resale value in a few years.

It may be do-able but go in with eyes wide open. Consider hanging on to old car for longer trips, or even if you change your mind after a couple of months, and yes increase your budget. A 40kwh leaf might be better value, particular if non motorway roads

Gumbo

baldshin wrote: »

Thank for the insight! To be honest I'm in the very, very early stages of weighing up my options, hence my underestimating the cost of the car, so obviously will have to have a closer look at finances. Am I correct in saying there is nothing else really around that budget that would suit those distances without needing to stop to charge along the way? (I guess it would be a nervy trip in a Leaf, for example?)

30kwh Leaf.
Especially if charging available in work for a 12 hour shift.
Even if the fhargenpoint was blocked, would you have access to a 3 pin socket?

Other than that, 20k is not enough for an Ioniq or Leaf 40 kWh.

nkay1985

Ryath wrote: »

They had 4k scrappage in January good chance it will be offered again.

Don't have an Ioniq but did get a quote on PCP last week.
3.9% OTRP €30445 GMFV €9278 @ 15k km per year which is low and makes for higher monthlies. Should have a good bit of equity at end though.

Thanks a million for that, it's exactly what I was looking for.

This is the trouble I'm finding with new BEVs - they are relatively expensive even with the grant, they offer low trade-in values because there's not much margin in them for the salesperson, then they also have low GMFV figures which means there's a lot more to finance. It should lead to a decent amount of equity in the car at the end of the term, as you say, but there's no guarantee on that either.

Unless you're doing significant mileage and therefore making big savings on fuel, it's tough to justify it financially against an ICE, which is a bit sad.

Mickeroo

The car really did not like the storm yesterday evening. My 26km commute home used nearly 25% of the battery, driving in this morning it only used 9%! Trip home tends to use a bit more juice anyway due to elevation i think but not usually that much of a difference.

Was the first time I've felt proper range anxiety in the month since I got the car.

highdef

Mickeroo wrote: »

The car really did not like the storm yesterday evening. My 26km commute home used nearly 25% of the battery, driving in this morning it only used 9%! Trip home tends to use a bit more juice anyway due to elevation i think but not usually that much of a difference.

Was the first time I've felt proper range anxiety in the month since I got the car.

How many km was your car estimating to be left by the time you got home? The Leaf in my household is often well into displaying "- -" for the estimated range left when it gets home in the evening. It doesn't take too long to figure out the limits of the battery.

Mickeroo

highdef wrote: »

How many km was your car estimating to be left by the time you got home. The Leaf in my household is often well into displaying "- -" for the estimated range left when it gets home in the evening. It doesn't take too long to figure out the limits of the battery.

It was still estimating about 33km at 21% so i was never in danger of not making it, just not used to seeing it drop so quick.

highdef

Mickeroo wrote: »

It was still estimating about 33km at 21% so i was never in danger of not making it, just not used to seeing it drop so quick.

Ah jaysus, you've nothing at all to worry about. I'd get slightly concerned when the GOM says 33km range left when I have 35km still to go.

Mickeroo

highdef wrote: »

Ah jaysus, you've nothing at all to worry about. I'd get slightly concerned when the GOM says 33km range left when I have 35km still to go.

Yeah, I'm sill a noob sure. Haven't seen the turtle yet and hopefully never do

highdef

Despite getting into "- -" very regularly, turtle mode has never been reached which goes to show just how much padding is in place with the guessometer....bear in mind this is regarding a Nissan Leaf, not an Ioniq. Ioniq may well behave differently!

Leaf 24 Kwh hides around 7% of the battery which is why people get some kms at ---.

When the battery runs low you need to be very gentle on the throttle because the weaker group of cells will become known at lower voltages and when you hammer the throttle you could see charge % disappear very quickly due to this.

Wind is much tougher than cold on an EV in Ireland.

nkay1985

nkay1985 wrote: »

Unless you're doing significant mileage and therefore making big savings on fuel, it's tough to justify it financially against an ICE, which is a bit sad.

That's completely wrong.

Where are you getting this from ?

New EV costs similar to new cost of Diesel car. 2nd hand EV compares very well too or even better.

ELM327

nkay1985 wrote: »

Thanks a million for that, it's exactly what I was looking for.

This is the trouble I'm finding with new BEVs - they are relatively expensive even with the grant, they offer low trade-in values because there's not much margin in them for the salesperson, then they also have low GMFV figures which means there's a lot more to finance. It should lead to a decent amount of equity in the car at the end of the term, as you say, but there's no guarantee on that either.

Unless you're doing significant mileage and therefore making big savings on fuel, it's tough to justify it financially against an ICE, which is a bit sad.

Even then your high mileage will be on a new EV and increase depreciation so that has to be counted in too.

Mike9832

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's completely wrong.

Where are you getting this from ?

New EV costs similar to new cost of Diesel car. 2nd hand EV compares very well too or even better.

For a dinky 180km Ioniq maybe

Nothing else out

ELM327

Mike9832 wrote: »

For a dinky 180km Ioniq maybe

Nothing else out

Especially not on a 40k I3 phev

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

Especially not on a 40k I3 phev

i3 is extra special, nothing else like it on the road.

Mike9832

Mike9832 wrote: »

For a dinky 180km Ioniq maybe

Nothing else out

There is the 40 Kwh Leaf, Ioniq, Zoe, Kona , e-Golf

The Kona is expensive for a Hyundai for sure.

iggy

Picking up a new black Ioniq EV on Friday morning and want to get the grill wrapped ASAP in Dublin area.
I got a place in ballymount recommended to me but the guy is out of the country for a while.
Anyone recommend anyone else in Dublin area to do it?
Cheers

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

There is the 40 Kwh Leaf, Ioniq, Zoe, Kona , e-Golf

The Kona is expensive for a Hyundai for sure.

None of those work, except the Kona, range wise.
Less than 200km on the motorway for all of them except the Kona.
And the Kona is a 20-25k car with a 15k-20k battery premium, meaning the fossil variant is cheaper.

unkel

Somehow I was under the impression that you drove beyond the range of Ioniq all the time, but you clarified this to driving about 200km once or twice a month I think?

In that case (even) I would just drive at Leaf speed. And be done with it. Boring, even soul killing a bit, but the car will make the 200km range. Save hundreds per month over an ICE banger and save up for your Tesla

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Somehow I was under the impression that you drove beyond the range of Ioniq all the time, but you clarified this to driving about 200km once or twice a month I think?

In that case (even) I would just drive at Leaf speed. And be done with it. Boring, even soul killing a bit, but the car will make the 200km range. Save hundreds per month over an ICE banger and save up for your Tesla

Didn't you do the figures Unkel?

No real savings

He's spending €20 extra a week and driving a 300bhp luxury diesel instead of driving like a priest for 50k km

Much easier ways to spare €20 a week

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Somehow I was under the impression that you drove beyond the range of Ioniq all the time, but you clarified this to driving about 200km once or twice a month I think?

In that case (even) I would just drive at Leaf speed. And be done with it. Boring, even soul killing a bit, but the car will make the 200km range. Save hundreds per month over an ICE banger and save up for your Tesla

Not really much beyond 200km. Usually 180km. And I'm not prepared to compromise or drive slow, or turn off the heater in the winter, or queue at at charger (the only one on route) that may or may not be working.


I can make instant coffee at home, doesn't stop me buying nespresso and tassimo capsules, or buying coffee at starbucks or insomnia. People pay for convenience. Owners of EV pay for inconvenience.

Mickeroo

Mike9832 wrote: »

Didn't you do the figures Unkel?

No real savings

He's spending €20 extra a week and driving a 300bhp luxury diesel instead of driving like a priest for 50k km

Much easier ways to spare €20 a week

Saving only 20 quid a week on a 2,500 euro diesel vs a much newer more reliable car doesn't really sell the diesel to me. I'm not really into cars though unlike yourself and a lot of other folks here.

The main thing I took from ELM's situation is it doesn't matter how economical an EV is if it doesn't suit your needs and if I was having the same hassle I'd chuck the Ioniq fairly quickly. Plus if it helps him get into a brand new Model 3 in a year or two then he'd have been mad not to get rid.

unkel

Mike9832 wrote: »

Didn't you do the figures Unkel?

No real savings

He's spending €20 extra a week

That's in his extreme case of losing €4k in depreciation in a year and paying €2k in interest

A lot of Ioniq owners like me lose only about €1k a year in depreciation and pay no interest / suffer no opportunity costs of money

That's another €100 extra a week on top of the €20...

I get it that he needed to get rid of the loan to satisfy his mortgage lenders, but a cost saving exercise switching to a cheap diesel, it was not...

ELM327

To be honest the mortgage part was an issue but the main one was my frustration at the short winter range and my boredom with the car.
I used the mortgage thing to convince her who must be obeyed but it was not my main motivation!

unkel

I get that too!

If I had massive storage, I would own 20 cars. So many cars to explore, so little time we have. At least you have owned a Rolls-Royce already, you bastard

Old diesel

Convenience means different things to different peoples situations.

If you have the ability to home charge - your nearest petrol station is 5 miles away and you RARELY need to rapid charge.

Then the EV could actually be MORE convenient for you not less. Especially when you add an ability to preheat the car etc to the equation.

Surprisingly it feels as if the most frustrating journeys are the ones just outside of range.

On a 170 km range EV - it's actually imo easier to put up with a need to stop on a 270 km journey then on a 180 km journey.

On the 270 km journey you may well be inclined to put heater on, drive normally and not face a temptation to run tight on the range.

Because you know you have to stop - and the other thing is that the time needed to stop is a smaller propoption of travel time at 270 miles vs 180 kms (on a 170 km range car).

Old diesel

To expand on the journey just beyond range theme.

An L30 could possibly do the journey from my house to the nearest City to see my mum's consultant and back.

Would be brown trousers moment in winter with --- on dash. (Edit - not a hope I'm doing that with my mum in the car wanting to get home)

If infrastructure was good - a 15 min splash and dash at rapid sorts it given L30s decent charge. But it's NOT good.

nkay1985

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's completely wrong.

Where are you getting this from ?

New EV costs similar to new cost of Diesel car. 2nd hand EV compares very well too or even better.

I'm just talking about an equivalent car. If a base spec Leaf is €30k+, you get a lot more for €30k in a petrol, which would be my other option. These also have higher GMFV figures which means less to finance and a guarantee of a higher value than the electric at the end of the term, although it obviously leaves you owing more too.

listermint

nkay1985 wrote: »

I'm just talking about an equivalent car. If a base spec Leaf is €30k+, you get a lot more for €30k in a petrol, which would be my other option. These also have higher GMFV figures which means less to finance and a guarantee of a higher value than the electric at the end of the term, although it obviously leaves you owing more too.

To date its been shown that electrics have dropped far less value over the term though...

Mike9832

[Deleted User] wrote: »

i3 is extra special, nothing else like it on the road.

Mazda will have a rex range soon

Mazda 3 rex would be nice

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122062_mazda-range-extended-electric-car-may-help-the-rotary-live-on

unkel

nkay1985 wrote: »

I'm just talking about an equivalent car. If a base spec Leaf is €30k+, you get a lot more for €30k in a petrol

Isn't this the Ioniq thread?

Show me a hatchback petrol automatic that sits 5 people with a very high spec (incl. level 2 autonomous driving) for the same money I paid for my Ioniq on the road (EUR25k incl metallic paint)

And then try and convince us that car will also depreciate only about EUR1k per like my Ioniq has done

I bet you will find that a bit too much of a challenge

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Isn't this the Ioniq thread?

Show me a hatchback petrol automatic that sits 5 people with a very high spec (incl. level 2 autonomous driving) for the same money I paid for my Ioniq on the road (EUR25k incl metallic paint)

And then try and convince us that car will also depreciate only about EUR1k per like my Ioniq has done

I bet you will find that a bit too much of a challenge

He will show you a car that can drive to Cork :pac:

listermint

Mike9832 wrote: »

He will show you a car that can drive to Cork :pac:

Who wants to drive to cork

denismc

listermint wrote: »

Who wants to drive to cork

Yeah, we are thinking of building a wall to keep all the refugees out of Cork:p

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Isn't this the Ioniq thread?

Show me a hatchback petrol automatic that sits 5 people with a very high spec (incl. level 2 autonomous driving) for the same money I paid for my Ioniq on the road (EUR25k incl metallic paint)

And then try and convince us that car will also depreciate only about EUR1k per like my Ioniq has done

I bet you will find that a bit too much of a challenge

Yes yes you got a great deal, we know
However this is not available now.


No point basing the calculations on a long closed discount.
Ioniqs purchased today even if you spend hours chasing every dealer for scrappage are 26k minimum. Most likely 27 if you include metallic paint.


ANd will likely depreciate a lot more than yours did in your first 12-18 months.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

However this is not available now.


No point basing the calculations on a long closed discount.
Ioniqs purchased today even if you spend hours chasing every dealer for scrappage are 26k minimum. Most likely 27 if you include metallic paint.

Sure. Maybe not at EUR25k. But even at EUR26-27k on the road (several people in this forum got a 191 Ioniq on the road for EUR26k) your depreciation will be no more than EUR3k per year over the next few years (provided of course you don't change your mind after a few months and tried to sell it then :pac:). Still far cheaper to buy one brand new than to run a diesel, any diesel, even an ancient banger you got for free, if you do 50-60k km per year...

Old diesel

If the Ioniq meets your range needs and home charging is doable - I cannot think of a nicer car new for 30 k.

But always open to ideas in the ICE world.

Problem for me is that the ICE car just doesnt FEEL a leap forward vs the 20 year old Corolla - or rather not enough to justify 30 k cash or 3/400 Euro a month PCP.

I know that I shouldnt mention the Leaf but to be frank my January Leaf experience felt like the future - in a positive wow this is amazing way.

I'm sure the Ioniq is similar but with no rapidgate

ELM327

Ioniq is similar with faster charging, no squashing of your knee in the driver seat.
However both cars have sub 200km range on the motorway and less again in the depths of winter with heater on.

It's not the future as you don't have enough range to even match ICE tech, but it's a step there. Range will improve. I certainly woudlnt be putting 30k of my own cash towards a current EV. PCP with a high GFMV is the best option, let the bank take the risk.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

I certainly woudlnt be putting 30k of my own cash towards a current EV. PCP with a high GFMV is the best option, let the bank take the risk.

With PCP, you pay for the bank to take a risk

Old diesel

ELM327 wrote: »

Ioniq is similar with faster charging, no squashing of your knee in the driver seat.
However both cars have sub 200km range on the motorway and less again in the depths of winter with heater on.

It's not the future as you don't have enough range to even match ICE tech, but it's a step there. Range will improve. I certainly woudlnt be putting 30k of my own cash towards a current EV. PCP with a high GFMV is the best option, let the bank take the risk.

By felt like the future - I really meant in terms of the drive etc.

Yes I've heard about the squashed knee issue on the Leaf so I was surprised to find that it didn't seem an issue for me. Possibly I simply wasn't in the car for long enough

I thought I did a sufficient job of qualifying the comment by saying if the range meets your needs.