Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

unkel

KCross wrote: »

To steal your own words, I'm not buying that. Why would you need belts & braces if these 3C charge rates are "no problem" as you put it? This pack is barely doing 1C!

The idea that they let Hyundai go fast and loose with the 28kWh pack without a care in the world and then somehow decided to screw Hyundai over with the next pack just because they can, doesnt compute for me.

All these packs (or any li-ion cell you buy) are built with a specific spec and charge profile that you have to adhere to to stay within warranty.

Either Hyundai are adhering to that spec or they've a software bug or something but I cant believe that LG have just decided to hobble the pack unnecessarily. There is nothing in it for them if they do that if they hope to be leaders in the field going forward. Its just not a sane thing to do for a commercial business in an industry that is going to go through exponential growth in the years ahead.

I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but you are implying that the 3C charging Ioniq 28kWh is degrading the battery to a serious extent (that more than a few will need warranty replacement) :eek:

You could be right, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

In the mean time I look forward to charging and discharging my battery at 3C as many times as I can

KCross

unkel wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but you are implying that the 3C charging Ioniq 28kWh is degrading the battery to a serious extent (that more than a few will need warranty replacement) :eek:

You could be right, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

In the mean time I look forward to charging and discharging my battery at 3C as many times as I can

I'm not implying (intentionally anyway) that.

Im saying Hyundai are staying within the parameters that are required to ensure warranty is not an issue for them.

The 28kWh pack is clearly different... less dense, different chemistry or whatever and it can handle it and will likely outlive the car.

The 38kWh pack cant take anything like the same rates for some inextricable reason. Probably a combination of different chemistry, increased density etc that means it just cant go much higher without risking the warranty and lifespan of the pack.

mouthful

unkel wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but you are implying that the 3C charging Ioniq 28kWh is degrading the battery to a serious extent (that more than a few will need warranty replacement) :eek:

You could be right, but I doubt it. Time will tell.

In the mean time I look forward to charging and discharging my battery at 3C as many times as I can

I have over 80k km on my Ioniq and my usable battery is still showing 100% SOH. Best car I have ever owned!

Black_Knight

mouthful wrote: »

I have over 80k km on my Ioniq and my usable battery is still showing 100% SOH. Best car I have ever owned!

I guess what people are saying is, so did the one Bjorn did his math on and from his calculations the battery had lost ~8% SOH. Bjorn wasn't flawless though. Kinda feel like if he did his test again, having learned from his first test he might get more conclusive results. Displayed SOC vs BMS SOC is different, and IIRC he used displayed SOC in his calculations. Either way, it doesnt look like that cars battery was at 100%. Might try out my own test next time I do a longer spin.

KCross

Black_Knight wrote: »

I guess what people are saying is, so did the one Bjorn did his math on and from his calculations the battery had lost ~8% SOH. Bjorn wasn't flawless though. Kinda feel like if he did his test again, having learned from his first test he might get more conclusive results. Displayed SOC vs BMS SOC is different, and IIRC he used displayed SOC in his calculations. Either way, it doesnt look like that cars battery was at 100%. Might try out my own test next time I do a longer spin.

His test was a bit iffy alright. I think a better test would be to run the car down to turtle, then charge it to 100% and have a decent kWh meter (not a clip on thing) on the charge point and see how much energy it takes and subtract for charging losses.... maybe 8% or so.... thats your usable capacity and you can repeat that test fairly consistently over time to see the losses.

mouthful

Black_Knight wrote: »

I guess what people are saying is, so did the one Bjorn did his math on and from his calculations the battery had lost ~8% SOH. Bjorn wasn't flawless though. Kinda feel like if he did his test again, having learned from his first test he might get more conclusive results. Displayed SOC vs BMS SOC is different, and IIRC he used displayed SOC in his calculations. Either way, it doesnt look like that cars battery was at 100%. Might try out my own test next time I do a longer spin.

He accepted that the first 50% of the battery is much bigger than the last, and then charged the battery to 94% and counted the remaining 6% as 6%. I drove 200km yesterday Donegal to Galway) - it worked out at exactly 12kwh per 100 km- I had 30km remaining on the GOM- that indicates to me that I still have the entirety of my usable battery.

Black_Knight

mouthful wrote: »

He accepted that the first 50% of the battery is much bigger than the last, and then charged the battery to 94% and counted the remaining 6% as 6%. I drove 200km yesterday Donegal to Galway) - it worked out at exactly 12kwh per 100 km- I had 30km remaining on the GOM- that indicates to me that I still have the entirety of my usable battery.

Sweet! I'd hope to do something similar myself some time! At least Bjorns video has us talking/investigating it. I never thought about the first 50% being more efficient than the last. Not sure when my next ~200km trip might be.

unkel

I still see 240km range when the car is fully charged. Same as last summer. And more than the first summer. Have the car almost 2.5 years and 38k km now.

No doubt there has been degradation, there has to be. But it seems it must be very minimal based on my car alone. Pretty ideal circumstances though. Car does a lot of small trips, almost all driving around the greater Dublin area (Dublin, Wicklow, Kildare, Meath, Louth) and very little sustained 120km/h or above and very little fast charging. Nearly always charge it up to 100% once it goes below 40-50%

slicedpanman

Questions for the ioniq owners:

1) the timed preheating; does this only work if you are plugged in? If so how do 2 EV households manage?

2) the recalls; is there a way for Joe Soap to determine, say with the vin, if they have all been carried out? Or is it a trip to the dealer?

irishgrover

slicedpanman wrote: »

Questions for the ioniq owners:

1) the timed preheating; does this only work if you are plugged in? If so how do 2 EV households manage? - plug in only.

2) the recalls; is there a way for Joe Soap to determine, say with the vin, if they have all been carried out? Or is it a trip to the dealer? - don't know. But if you are buying one 2nd hard, it will have been serviced. If it's being serviced, normally the 1st thing the dealer will do is check for recalls?

see inline

shanemkelly

slicedpanman & irishgrover wrote: »

Questions for the ioniq owners:

1) the timed preheating; does this only work if you are plugged in? If so how do 2 EV households manage? - plug in only.

Pain in the neck, this one...

Black_Knight

To be fair, the heater gets nice and warm pretty quickly (I only charge every couple of days at best). That said, i'm not experienced a winter with my Ioniq yet.

mouthful

slicedpanman wrote: »

Questions for the ioniq owners:

1) the timed preheating; does this only work if you are plugged in? If so how do 2 EV households manage?

2) the recalls; is there a way for Joe Soap to determine, say with the vin, if they have all been carried out? Or is it a trip to the dealer?

I use a granny cable and external socket

2 a trip to dealer required, as I understand

zg3409

slicedpanman wrote: »

Questions for the ioniq owners:

2) the recalls; is there a way for Joe Soap to determine, say with the vin, if they have all been carried out? Or is it a trip to the dealer?

Email Hyundai Ireland. That's what I did. I sent vin and reg. I included vin as mine is a UK import. They emailed me back.

In terms of software updates you can see the version on the screen, and compare to latest or post up here.

listermint

mouthful wrote: »

I use a granny cable and external socket

2 a trip to dealer required, as I understand

How long does it take to charge from minimum with that method

unkel

listermint wrote: »

How long does it take to charge from minimum with that method

Granny cable = 2kW
Ioniq = 28kWh

So from completely empty to completely full would take 14 hours

On a wallbox charger, this is down to 4 hours

k123456

New to Ioniq ;

Car parked in driveway, not plugged in, not switched on alarmed

Approx 40% charged
From the house noticed one of the three blue charge LEDS flashing

Unlocked car, switched it on, flashing stops
checked touchscreen, could not see an obvious reason one of the three blue charge LEDS flashing

switched off car, and locked it, LED still not flashing

Any ideas what caused one LED to flash, I have aux 12v battery charging switched on from options. Could it have been the 28kwh battery charging the 12v ?

unkel

k123456 wrote: »

Could it have been the 28kwh battery charging the 12v ?

You got it in one k123456

Handy feature, but it won't help you when the car is switched off and someone is messing with the controls / climate / windows / stereo etc. for a bit. Tiny 12V battery capacity, it drains very quickly. And when it does, the car won't start. Happened to a few owners, almost happened to me (well my wife actually) once.

irishgrover

k123456 wrote:

Approx 40% charged From the house noticed one of the three blue charge LEDS flashing

I believe your 12v batt was being topped up. Normal behaviour

Petetheroadie

Could anyone share a screenshot of the latest software etc? Picking up my Ex demo Ioniq up north tomorrow, so want to ensure everything is up to date.

Thanks!

Pete

unkel

I think I did Pete, a few pages up. Latest software is from 1902 iirc.

Petetheroadie

Thanks!

Petetheroadie

Black_Knight wrote: »

unkel wrote: »

Are you sure? Post up your screen with the software versions here.

Is this the latest version?

Petetheroadie

Hmm, maybe not per your post Unkel.

Ok, 1902 is what I'll look for.

unkel

Nope. Top line starts with 1810 (Oct last year)

You are looking for 1902 (Feb this year)

Browse back a few pages, I'm pretty sure I posted mine up after my service in April / May

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

Nope. Top line starts with 1810 (Oct last year)

You are looking for 1902 (Feb this year)

Browse back a few pages, I'm pretty sure I posted mine up after my service in April / May

Ah, that's where the date is in it. Bastards! I got mine updated in May/June and that's what they loaded onto it. I've nothing but contempt for Kearys.

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

Latest software and map versions:



All the charge points including fast chargers now included so it seems:



You can see the live traffic, but I don't think there's a live status on the chargers:





As can be expected, the CHAdeMO chargers that have recently been replaced with triple head ones, like the one at Newland's cross, are still only in as CHAdeMO

Still, a nice update

Here's unkels from May

unkel

Ah ok that was mine alright. My car was serviced nearly 6 months ago though, maybe there's newer firmware now?

Petetheroadie

Ok, well I'll see what's on mine tomorrow. Thanks lads

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Ah ok that was mine alright. My car was serviced nearly 6 months ago though, maybe there's newer firmware now?

There is, Feb 19

Black_Knight

KCross wrote: »

There is, Feb 19

God knows what that firmware update actually means though. Frustrating not know whether it's worth my while getting the update or not.

Black_Knight

From what i've been reading, Android Auto is affected somewhat in the latest firmware (AE_EV.EUR.SOP.007.3.190314)

https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=22772&hilit=181002&start=480
2nd post on this page (how's your German?)
And reiterated here (albeit quoting the same site as above):
https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/updating-the-firmware-on-your-ioniq-at-home-2019.32418/page-3


EDIT: https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1739939/65

No longer can you install 3rd party apps is all. Android auto still works fine.

unkel

Doesn't say much except that you can no longer hack into Android after the new update.

adunis

Yep I can vouch for that,secret menu shortcuts no longer working....

slicedpanman

For anyone that imported; does the balance of the 5 years AA assistance transfer over too?
Or does that only come with the Irish cars?

unkel

AA Ireland assistance only comes with Irish cars. Is it really 5 years though?

Not that relevant as nearly all decent comprehensive insurance policies come with tow away service included.

Mickeroo

It's supposed to be 5 years according Hyundai yeah.

unkel

First thing I did when I got the car home was getting rid of the AA and various other stickers

Mickeroo

I never got an AA sticker with mine

listermint

Mickeroo wrote: »

I never got an AA sticker with mine

Why would you want one, does it make the AA van come any quicker :P

Mickeroo

listermint wrote: »

Why would you want one, does it make the AA van come any quicker :P

So I could get the satisfaction of peeling it off :pac:

slicedpanman

Next import question; is the full Hyundai warranty transferred? Irish dealership will do any warranty work no questions/no issues?

I ask, as someone from Kearys is trying to convince me that only UK dealers can carry out warranty work

Mickeroo

slicedpanman wrote: »

Next import question; is the full Hyundai warranty transferred? Irish dealership will do any warranty work no questions/no issues?

I ask, as someone from Kearys is trying to convince me that only UK dealers can carry out warranty work

Someone will correctly if I'm wrong but Keary's are incorrect there as far as I know. They sound like absolute chancers based on Black_Knight's experiences with them too tbh.

Petetheroadie

cafard wrote: »

1. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WH
2. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
3. zale - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black 171WH
4. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
5. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
6. thelikelylad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171C
7. woppers - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WX
8. don't be at yourself - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
9. Ballylad - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171CW
10. Coconut Joe - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
11. Macker - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181D
12. Fermi - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172MO
13. Johnnyjohnjohns - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 172D
14. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172
15. CarefulNow! - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
16. Moreilly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172KE
17. Neleven - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172 WW
18. DglFlyer -Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171 CE
19. jeremy_g - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171WW
20. miamee - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 172D
21. Cocolola - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172G
22. RonanFarrell - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172G
23. rgunning - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
24. Doc el brown - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172WW
25. Fitz213 - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
26. lafors - Ioniq BEV - - 181D
27. squishey - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181D
28. Ewan Hoosarmi - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 181?
29. peaceboi - Ioniq BEV - Blazing Yellow - 171D
30. irishgrover - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181 G
31. fricatus - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181
32. zg3409 - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue 171 G (Dublin area)
33. BigAl81 - Ioniq BEV - White - 191-D
34. Mighty Munster - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black 191MH
35. OffalyMedic- Ioniq BEV- Phantom Black- 181L (Laois)
36. Casher - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191WW
37. iggy - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191D
38. Deegs - ioniq - polar white with groovy black roof wrap 191c
39. shanemkelly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
40. PATMAC - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 191RN
41. Fishy1 - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181W
42. jjcahill78 - ioniq BEV - Fiery red - 191 CW
43. relgoog - Ioniq BEV - Iron Grey - 182D
44. Black_Knight - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171CE
45. beanian - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 191D
46. adunis - Ioniq BEV - White - 171L
47. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - 192
48. jusmeig - Ioniq BEV - 181D
49. cafard - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 192G

50. Petetheroadie - Ioniq BEV - Pearl Iron Grey - 191MH

Think this is the latest version :-)

Mickeroo

Congrats, well wear! Sounds like you got a good deal.

Petetheroadie

Yeah, happy with it. The exchange rate dropped a bit but I still did well. Think final price in Euro was ~€25600

Petetheroadie

Thanks again for all the advice and knowledge that this group passed on!

unkel

How many Ioniq Electric are there in Ireland, did someone do the sums (from beepbeep data)?

Incredible to think that 50 of us made it in here!

Well wear Petetheroadie, I know you will enjoy your new car :cool:

mouthful

unkel wrote: »

How many Ioniq Electric are there in Ireland, did someone do the sums (from beepbeep data)?

Incredible to think that 50 of us made it in here!

Well wear Petetheroadie, I know you will enjoy your new car :cool:

2 hours ago
13/09/2019 19:17
Petetheroadie
Registered User
Quote: cafard
1. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WH
2. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
3. zale - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black 171WH
4. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
5. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
6. thelikelylad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171C
7. woppers - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WX
8. don't be at yourself - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
9. Ballylad - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171CW
10. Coconut Joe - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
11. Macker - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181D
12. Fermi - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172MO
13. Johnnyjohnjohns - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 172D
14. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172
15. CarefulNow! - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
16. Moreilly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172KE
17. Neleven - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172 WW
18. DglFlyer -Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171 CE
19. jeremy_g - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171WW
20. miamee - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 172D
21. Cocolola - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172G
22. RonanFarrell - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172G
23. rgunning - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
24. Doc el brown - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172WW
25. Fitz213 - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
26. lafors - Ioniq BEV - - 181D
27. squishey - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181D
28. Ewan Hoosarmi - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 181?
29. peaceboi - Ioniq BEV - Blazing Yellow - 171D
30. irishgrover - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181 G
31. fricatus - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181
32. zg3409 - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue 171 G (Dublin area)
33. BigAl81 - Ioniq BEV - White - 191-D
34. Mighty Munster - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black 191MH
35. OffalyMedic- Ioniq BEV- Phantom Black- 181L (Laois)
36. Casher - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191WW
37. iggy - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191D
38. Deegs - ioniq - polar white with groovy black roof wrap 191c
39. shanemkelly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
40. PATMAC - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 191RN
41. Fishy1 - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181W
42. jjcahill78 - ioniq BEV - Fiery red - 191 CW
43. relgoog - Ioniq BEV - Iron Grey - 182D
44. Black_Knight - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171CE
45. beanian - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 191D
46. adunis - Ioniq BEV - White - 171L
47. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - 192
48. jusmeig - Ioniq BEV - 181D
49. cafard - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 192G

50. Petetheroadie - Ioniq BEV - Pearl Iron Grey - 191MH
51. Mouthful Ioniq BEV 172D. Black 75k enjoyed km on the clock

KCross

unkel wrote: »

How many Ioniq Electric are there in Ireland, did someone do the sums (from beepbeep data)?

Incredible to think that 50 of us made it in here!

~450 when I looked recently.