Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

ELM327

slave1 wrote: »

What about those Tesla 60 owners with a (unknown to them) 75 battery, their health status will be quite good for a significant period of time

I doubt it's unknown to any of them, considering the option to "unlock capacity" is listed in their Tesla account

slave1

Yeah you're right, I meant unknown at time of purchase, think it was after they were sold Tesla let them know the battery size and made the extra capacity purchasable, nice bonus, especially if you're happy with the 60 range, keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Yeah you're right, I meant unknown at time of purchase, think it was after they were sold Tesla let them know the battery size and made the extra capacity purchasable, nice bonus, especially if you're happy with the 60 range, keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

The battery in the other Model S will last about 20 years, so the battery in these 60 might last 40 years

krissovo

slave1 wrote: »

keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

This is no longer valid surely is it?

Even charging to 100% the batteries will outlast the car. Tesla has moved on from this leaf mentality.

slave1

Dunno

Here's a study I found

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303890624_Modeling_of_Lithium-Ion_Battery_Degradation_for_Cell_Life_Assessment

zg3409

krissovo wrote: »

slave1 wrote: »

keep that battery 20%-80% and it could last many many years

This is no longer valid surely is it?

Even charging to 100% the batteries will outlast the car. Tesla has moved on from this leaf mentality.

Elon Musk explains why you shouldn't charge your Tesla battery to 100%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/article/tesla-battery-charge-max.amp

Kona has setting to limit charging below 100%. Ioniq does not, but I try not to charge to 100% at weekends, by not plugging in and just boost charging the car on a timer on the wall charger.

unkel

krissovo wrote: »

This is no longer valid surely is it?

It's always been valid. In theory. If you keep a lithium battery between 25% and 75% and at a constant temp of 20C it will last the guts of 100 years with one cycle per day

In a car, with normal use including fast charging, fast acceleration and (mostly slow) charging to 100% (which is not really 100%), a lithium battery should easily outlast the car (say 15 years) and then be still good enough to be used as grid / home storage for another 15 years. So your point is valid that you don't need to worry about it. It will make no noticeable difference and your car won't last longer or is worth more if you treat the battery with kid gloves all its life.

mouthful

ELM327 wrote: »

Tesla do (indirectly) by visible tesla app.


You may still have 28kWh available, in mine at 50k km when I sold it it still had 28kWh available.


However that is achieved in my opinion by drip feeding a hidden reserve to mask degradation for the first owner. So it is not, and cannot, be 0 actual degradation. Pretty nefarious, and we all slated Nissan for their dodgy tricks

We will need to agree to disagree- I brought a car with a 28 kw hr battery- and guess what it still has a 28 kw hr battery-

That may not be enough for you, but it is for me. This is my final word on the matter

unkel

mouthful wrote: »

We will need to agree to disagree- I brought a car with a 28 kw hr battery- and guess what it still has a 28 kw hr battery-

Nope, you bought a car with a 31kWh battery. With 28kWh available. This is still available. To me as well, 2.5 years after I got Ioniq. The range is still the same.

But this is a bit of trickery, at some point our available capacity will be lower than 28kWh, but probably not until the car has close to 100k km on it. We will then notice the range going down.

Fiery mutant

I guess this depends on a lot of factors though. Mine has nearly 120,000km. On it now, still getting nearly the same range I got the day I bought it.

unkel

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I guess this depends on a lot of factors though. Mine has nearly 120,000km. On it now, still getting nearly the same range I got the day I bought it.

That's the relevant word.

On any lithium battery there will be degradation from day one. The degradation should be slow and gradual, leaving you with a capacity of somewhere from 80-90% after say 10 years / 200k km is my estimate

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Nope, you bought a car with a 31kWh battery. With 28kWh available. This is still available. To me as well, 2.5 years after I got Ioniq. The range is still the same.

But this is a bit of trickery, at some point our available capacity will be lower than 28kWh, but probably not until the car has close to 100k km on it. We will then notice the range going down.

Yes and how it should be

What Nissan are doing is like going to the shop, buying a pair of size 10 runners and they shrinking down a few sizes over time

All batteries should have no degradation to at min 160k km

mouthful

But this is a bit of trickery, at some point our available capacity will be lower than 28kWh, but probably not until the car has close to 100k km on it. We will then notice the range going down.[/quote]

Yawn

unkel

mouthful wrote: »

Yawn

It's your prerogative to remain uneducated. But don't keep posting falsehoods after it is explained to you how something works.

mouthful

unkel wrote: »

It's your prerogative to remain uneducated. But don't keep posting falsehoods after it is explained to you how something works.

You are a bit of a pain this evening! It is not very difficult to agree to disagree, if you try!

zg3409

Mike9832 wrote: »

All batteries should have no degradation to at min 160k km

Can we agree on a compromise, batteries should start out with 120% capacity, so they are 100% at 160k km?!

ELM327

mouthful wrote: »

We will need to agree to disagree- I brought a car with a 28 kw hr battery- and guess what it still has a 28 kw hr battery-

That may not be enough for you, but it is for me. This is my final word on the matter

Lol
If you're going to be pompous at least get the units right

unkel wrote: »

It's your prerogative to remain uneducated. But don't keep posting falsehoods after it is explained to you how something works.

+1

zg3409 wrote: »

Can we agree on a compromise, batteries should start out with 120% capacity, so they are 100% at 160k km?!

lmao that is exactly what is happing

liamog

Almost, the Ioniq is believed to start with 110%, it's not expected to start losing usable capacity till around 95,000km.

unkel

1. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WH
2. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
3. zale - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black 171WH
4. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
5. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
6. thelikelylad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171C
7. woppers - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WX
8. don't be at yourself - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
9. Ballylad - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171CW
10. Coconut Joe - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
11. Macker - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181D
12. Fermi - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172MO
13. Johnnyjohnjohns - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 172D
14. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172
15. CarefulNow! - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172D
16. Moreilly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172KE
17. Neleven - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172 WW
18. DglFlyer -Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171 CE
19. jeremy_g - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171WW
20. miamee - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 172D
21. Cocolola - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 172G
22. RonanFarrell - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172G
23. rgunning - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
24. Doc el brown - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 172WW
25. Fitz213 - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
26. lafors - Ioniq BEV - - 181D
27. squishey - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181D
28. Ewan Hoosarmi - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 181?
29. peaceboi - Ioniq BEV - Blazing Yellow - 171D
30. irishgrover - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 181 G
31. fricatus - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181
32. zg3409 - Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue 171 G (Dublin area)
33. BigAl81 - Ioniq BEV - White - 191-D
34. Mighty Munster - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black 191MH
35. OffalyMedic- Ioniq BEV- Phantom Black- 181L (Laois)
36. Casher - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191WW
37. iggy - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 191D
38. Deegs - ioniq - polar white with groovy black roof wrap 191c
39. shanemkelly - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
40. PATMAC - Ioniq BEV - Aurora Silver - 191RN
41. Fishy1 - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 181W
42. jjcahill78 - ioniq BEV - Fiery red - 191 CW
43. relgoog - Ioniq BEV - Iron Grey - 182D
44. Black_Knight - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171CE
45. beanian - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 191D
46. adunis - Ioniq BEV - White - 171L
47. this.lad - Ioniq BEV - 192
48. jusmeig - Ioniq BEV - 181D
49. cafard - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 192G
50. Petetheroadie - Ioniq BEV - Pearl Iron Grey - 191MH
51. Mouthful Ioniq BEV - Black - 172D
52. Scalachi Ioniq BEV - Marina Blue - 171WW

jusmeig

jusmeig wrote: »

Your service centre makes videos!? That's freaking awesome.

I thought it was normal now. Volvo owner, get video and still of everything at service

k123456

Question from a new a new Ioniq owner

does the handbrake automatically engage when the car is switched off

Is it possible to have sport mode set to be the default


Thanks

unkel

k123456 wrote: »

does the handbrake automatically engage when the car is switched off

No. But it is in Park like any automatic car. With all the automatics I have had, I rarely use the handbrake when I switch off the car, unless I am parked on a hill.

k123456 wrote: »

Is it possible to have sport mode set to be the default

No. Unfortunately this can not be done. I have no doubt that this is #1 on the wishlist of 90% of Ioniq owners. First thing I do every time I get into the car after I press the "ON" switch, is to press the drive mode switch (once) so it is in sports mode

Get yourself on that list a few posts up!

BigAl81

k123456 wrote:

does the handbrake automatically engage when the car is switched off

It does for me 90% of the time. Can't for the life of me figure out why it doesn't the other 10% of the time!

It will rock back and forth a bit as it will be in park, but I always have a second of panic when I think the car is rolling away ha ha

adunis

My handbrake also does 100% of the time also I never ever use park it annoys the t*+s off of me just use the auto hold.

Silent Running

BigAl81 wrote: »

It does for me 90% of the time. Can't for the life of me figure out why it doesn't the other 10% of the time!

It will rock back and forth a bit as it will be in park, but I always have a second of panic when I think the car is rolling away ha ha

I think it comes on automatically if you have Auto Hold set.

adunis

Ioniq start up procedure
1 press button on door to get in
2 seatbelt
3 brake pedal
4 on button
5 d button
6 vess off
7 autohold
8 arsewarmerx3(optional)
9 stomp pedal

8&9 are interchangeable 10 happens 100 yards down the road when I decide yes I do want sport mode

adunis

Tangential to battery capacity "discussion" what mileages are people on ?
Mines 53k or was the last time it registered with me.......

Mickeroo

adunis wrote: »

Ioniq start up procedure
1 press button on door to get in
2 seatbelt
3 brake pedal
4 on button
5 d button
6 vess off
7 autohold
8 arsewarmerx3(optional)
9 stomp pedal

8&9 are interchangeable 10 happens 100 yards down the road when I decide yes I do want sport mode

Ah here, that's step 5 on my equivalent procedure :pac:

unkel

adunis wrote: »

Tangential to battery capacity "discussion" what mileages are people on ?
Mines 53k or was the last time it registered with me.......

38k km, have it exactly 2.5 years tomorrow

Dont be at yourself

About 48K for me, have it just over 2 years.

fricatus

52k km, have it just over 1.5 years

Fermi

89k km 2 years and 2 months approx

unkel

You're probably close to losing a little bit of range, Fermi. Keep us updated!

adunis

Fermi for the win,CA 40k a year.

adunis

Another maybe useful thought,who else has swapped out the dopey 12v battery?
Mine at 52k/2years old
Yes it was ultimately responsible for all the scheduled charging weirdness.

unkel

adunis wrote: »

who else has swapped out the dopey 12v battery?

Me. Haven't done it yet, but planning too.

The 12V battery hasn't enough capacity (or rather the high voltage battery should check it more often and top up - but this is outside our control. A software update might sort this though) and there's no need for a lead acid battery if you don't need to crank an internal combustion engine

Rather than spending a good bit of money on a lithium ion battery and hope for the best, I'd rather check if other Ioniq owners have successfully installed one. It's quite common now for (racing) motor bikes to have lithium ion batteries, presumably mostly for losing weight / being faster. And we've established that the Ioniq PHEV actually does have a lithium 12V battery!

zg3409

adunis wrote: »

Another maybe useful thought,who else has swapped out the dopey 12v battery?
Mine at 52k/2years old
Yes it was ultimately responsible for all the scheduled charging weirdness.

I swapped mine recently just as a precaution, but I had 2 failed to charge at home, car is 2.5 years old 45,000 km. I did have 12v battery troubles before and my auxiliary battery saver kept alerting me after any nights not left on charge, so it was worth the few quid. I did attempt to get dealer to replace it before it passed the 2 year 12v battery warranty period, but dealer said their battery tester said battery was OK and warranty would only replace it if tester said battery was faulty or worn out. Lots of threads online about early 12v battery fails on Ioniq, partly I suspect due to sending cars by ship from korea, and also leaving them not charging at dealers forecourts for weeks.

adunis

I think a li-ion battery is probably a step too far,best compromise I can think of is make up an adapter to bolt on a bigger capacity normal battery there's acres of space after all nothing excessive perhaps 60ah ?.having said that however I just stuck in a hopefully better o.e. spec battery.
Re Mr Hyundai replacing it under warranty..........methink one would be waiting

Silent Running

The Niro has a physically bigger 12v battery. I can't remember the capacity of the Ioniq 12v, but with lead/acid batteries, bigger is normally higher capacity. I must look to see what capacity the Niro has.

adunis

Yep but the battery bracket is gonna be different,Ioniq bracket will only take or sized battery as standard
https://www.yuasa.co.uk/batteries/automotive-view-all/ybx5053-911.html
Is what I used 76euto from my tame motor factor

KCross

Coming into winter everyone should put their 12V onto a battery charger for an extended period (24hrs minimum).

Its the same here every year we hear of people's 12V giving trouble as the temps outside drop. The 12V is probably running low all summer but you get away with it. As soon as the temps drop it sends it over the edge and you end up in trouble.

Stick it on a smart charger and you may not even need a new battery.

It would be very simple for the manufactures to install a low amp smart charger for the battery as the car gets plugged in to mains regularly. It was something I suggested my colleaque that has a gen 1 LEAF which are known for aux battery issues. A LIDL 15 quid automatic charger would be ideal if that particular charger auto starts charging when plugged in. Many do not.

Fermi

unkel wrote: »

You're probably close to losing a little bit of range, Fermi. Keep us updated!

I do not see any changes in range. Still about 220-230 in the morning, depending on the weather.

unkel

adunis wrote: »

I think a li-ion battery is probably a step too far,best compromise I can think of is make up an adapter to bolt on a bigger capacity normal battery there's acres of space after all nothing excessive perhaps 60ah

The thing is, a lead acid 30Ah battery has half the usable capacity of a lithium 30Ah battery and they are similar in size. So you should be able to slot a lithium battery in to make the problem 90% go away (not of course if you still play with the car for long times while the car is "off")

Dunno how much a similar rated lithium (as the current lead acid battery in Ioniq) would set you back. If it is less than €200, it would be a runner for me. Remember the lithium battery will last 10 years instead of 2-3 years for a lead acid.

unkel

Fermi wrote: »

I do not see any changes in range. Still about 220-230 in the morning, depending on the weather.

You're not quite there yet but you might notice a slight drop in range by next spring. Not that I would worry about it. Degradation in practice for a half decent setup (with some form of cooling, not like the Nissans) is minimal and far lower than almost anyone predicted even a few years ago.

adunis

Unkel priced a li-ion,
230euro best I could find,Point re longevity well taken but too much of a shock to my cashflow.

unkel

Any link to it?

Did you do research and found other Ioniq owners had successfully used that particular battery?

Silent Running

The battery in the Niro is 45Ah. This is to perform the exact same functions as in the Ioniq: running the starting function, along with the normal 12V loads.

It seems like a bigger battery is warranted after all.

adunis

Still trying to find that li ion battery I found was from a chandelry is all I can remember there may be history on my work pc when I go back

adunis

Still trying to find that li ion battery I found was from a chandelry is all I can remember there may be history on my work pc when I go back