Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

Villain

I see on the FB groups there is a recall for the Ioniq for an issue with the brakes, sounds like a minor issue.

n97 mini

55kw sounds like quite a lot. Combined with natural loss of inertia that could be severe!

Having said that the 30kw in the Leaf doesn't feel like much. I reckon the Civic IMA "drags" more when regen is at its max.

That's why you got variable regen on the steering wheel ! :-)

unkel

Villain wrote: »

I see on the FB groups there is a recall for the Ioniq for an issue with the brakes, sounds like a minor issue.

Had some noise a few times in my rental car - seemingly from the front brakes. I think a few people on UK forums mentioned something similar. Was that it? If so I presume the dealer will do the fix before he hands me my car.

Fiery mutant

I've heard it on mine a couple times too, gonna call the dealer in the morning to arrange to have it sorted.

paulers06

Have the issue with mine, a grinding noise when driving at slow speeds when the car first gets moving. Was in the dealership yesterday and they said the rear break pads are slightly too thick. Said to drive it for a week and it should go away. If not gone in a week they'll sort it.

paulers06

paulers06 wrote: »

Just picked up my Ioniq this evening and am loving to so far. Couple of questions for my fellow Ioniq owners

There aren't any POI charge points loaded. I gave the car a hot spot but still nothing. Am I missing something?

The LED daytime running lights aren't coming on. Is there a setting for this?

Thanks everyone for the replies, have both issues sorted.

The setting for the charge points is in Settings - Nav settings - Connector Type

There weren't any options selected but once I selected the right connectors the chargers started displaying on the map and on nearby charging stations in the EV menu. Local fast charger not appearing but it is newish so maybe it just needs an update.

Pkiernan

unkel wrote: »

I bet no one else in Ireland has these two cars on their driveway

Is that Jedwards driveway?

You don't see many new estates like that today with trees , hedges and grass !

Walls, concrete and fences, god forbid greedy builders give anyone a garden these days, fear they might loose some money if they give someone some space.

There's a rant for ye. :-)

isnottheword

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You don't see many new estates like that today with trees , hedges and grass !

Walls, concrete and fences, god forbid greedy builders give anyone a garden these days, fear they might loose some money if they give someone some space.

There's a rant for ye. :-)

Waaay off topic but 'greedy builders' wouldn't be a concern if there was proper ( unadulterated & uncorrupted )regulation. A discussion for another forum.

unkel

You're not wrong, Mad_Lad. Bought off the plans in '99. Back then all the cheap starter homes in Dublin suburbs were semi-detached with front + rear garden, side entrance and driveway for 2 cars. Today it's all terraced, with tiny back garden and no front garden. Never mind a driveway.

Was hoping the free EVSE install would be near the end of the driveway in the divider between my driveway and my neighbour's (in between a couple of shrubs, so nicely out of view). Will they do that? If not, will they do it if I pay extra?

Water John

Is it not up to you to run an underground cable out there?
I think you have to provide the pedestel as well.

n97 mini

unkel wrote: »

You're not wrong, Mad_Lad. Bought off the plans in '99. Back then all the cheap starter homes in Dublin suburbs were semi-detached with front + rear garden, side entrance and driveway for 2 cars. Today it's all terraced, with tiny back garden and no front garden. Never mind a driveway.

If you're lucky. Latterly they switched to apartments in green fields, in places like Drumshanbo!

Seriously, we can do much better than these types of eyesores , disgrace ! ow horrid and bare can you get ?

oinkely

That's not too bad mad lad, at least there is a patch of grass and a hint of a driveway!

Villain

Has anyone actually got 200KM of driving from the Ioniq in Ireland, including motorway driving?

oinkely

oinkely wrote: »

That's not too bad mad lad, at least there is a patch of grass and a hint of a driveway!

God help us though, I mean do we not think we deserve much better ?

Are we not entitled to open our doors to see some trees, hedges or entitled to some space ?

Disgraceful, the laws for new developments should be changed and fast and not allow developers to create such crap holes for people to live in.

One extreme to the other, either live in the middle of nowhere or in a horrible box estate house with hardly room for a double bed and chest of drawers, no other choice.

bk

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One extreme to the other, either live in the middle of nowhere or in a horrible box estate house with hardly room for a double bed and chest of drawers, no other choice.

Unfortunately we have no one but ourselves to blame for that.

The population of Dublin is exploding and their simply isn't the space for everyone to have a three bed detached house with gardens front and back. It is simply impossible with the size of the population in Dublin now, the population density and the rate of increase.

The solution is to move to European style high quality apartments, surrounded by nice grounds and even children's play areas.

But no, Irish people are just stupidly obsessed with having a three bedroom house and a patch of ugly, unshared grass out front and back.

People don't have much of a choice though that's the problem an people don't have any half decent garden today, mostly not anyway. I've even seen some estates in Carlow Town and the small wooden shed takes up half the garden and a horrid 6ft high wall all around, these places are more like prisons than homes.

And yes I agree about decent apartments in Dublin but for quiet a lot of the country there is no excuse for these eyesore housing estates where there is space.

They can do so much better but they don't have to and we don't demand better that's half the problem. Though luckily I'm getting out of the concrete jungle soon......finally free !

bk

Back on topic, I have to say I'm loving everything I'm reading and seeing about the Ioniq, it seems to be so close too the perfect EV.

I have to say it has great looks and I don't mean just for an EV, I mean for any car, including ICE, high praise IMO. Finally not only a normal looking car, but a really nice looking one. Though I do think they can do better with the front grill.

Obviously the extra range and the very efficient way it uses it thanks to it's low drag is great.

The fast battery charging looks great. I'm also really impressed that the range estimate looks to be very accurate, which I think is so important and something other EV's have gotten badly wrong IMO. I think accuracy and reliability of the range estimate is so important for an EV.

Loads of great tech gadgets on board, though the lack of an app in Europe is pretty poor.

I have to say it looks like a spot on, incredibly refined EV, frankly almost exactly what I'm looking for!

I do however wonder if Hyundai have made a mistake in building it the way they have, as a 3 in 1, with an ICE engine and hybrid engines, etc. Rather then as a pure BEV. As a result I believe it is slightly compromised as a BEV IMO. The batteries are under the rear seats, rather then under the floor like Tesla, etc. That means less space for the batteries, which is why they could literally only fit 28Kwh of battery in their today and why they have to wait for increased battery densities in future to fit higher capacity batteries. Also the front engine bay clearly has loads of wasted space due to the design.

If it had been designed as a pure BEV with underfloor batteries, then it could easily have come with 40 and 50KWh, maybe even 60kwh options today and people would be talking about this car as a Bolt/Model 3 killer and I suspect would sell like hotcakes.

bk

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People don't have much of a choice though that's the problem an people don't have any half decent garden today, mostly not anyway. I've even seen some estates in Carlow Town and the small wooden shed takes up half the garden and a horrid 6ft high wall all around, these places are more like prisons than homes.

Of course people have a choice. Most Irish people choose to live 3 hours daily drive from their work so that they can live their dream of a crappy three bedroom house! And developers deliver what people are asking for.

But it doesn't have to be that way. I could have done the same, but instead I opted instead to spend the same money on a lovely, 2 bed, European style apartment in Dublin and it has been the best decision I've ever made!

I live less then 3km from work and walk to work most days. A lovely relaxing 30 minute walk or I can cycle it in 10 minutes if in a rush. 15 minutes ride on Dublin Bus has me into Grafton Street. There are like 5 great schools within 10 minute walk of my place.

My colleagues wonder how the hell I'm out socialising in Dublin City center 3 nights a week and how I'm travelling abroad a few times a year. But easy when I don't have the horrible expense of a car and I don't have a 3 hour a day commute which has you wrecked tired.

My quality of life is SO much better living in a 2 bed apartment then it is living in a 3 bed house in a rural hell-hole estate. But most Irish people still don't get the trade off and still crave for the traditional semi-d and we are worse off for it.

n97 mini

I broadly agree with your sentiment, though try bringing up kids in an apartment. Apartments in the city centre are great and there should be a lot more of them by way of high rise where people who want city life can live. No sense in 20 somethings living off out in the next county, but there is a shortage of suitable accommodation for them thanks to preserving the lunacy that is Dublin's skyline.

I do think people are silly to opt for a MacMansion with a helluva commute vs buying something for the same price but smaller closer to where jobs and services are.

unkel

bk wrote: »

I opted instead to spend the same money on a lovely, 2 bed, European style apartment in Dublin.

A lot of people like you bought apartments. And then they had kids. And then they couldn't afford to "upgrade" to a house with a garden in a quiet cul-de-sac near a few greens where kids can play out all day...

Sound summary of the Ioniq though. Couldn't agree more. Hybrid and Plug in are a waste of space imho and far too expensive for what they are. An Ioniq EV with a 40kWh battery for maybe 2 or 3 grand over the €24k base price would have been a killer!

KCross

unkel wrote: »

An Ioniq EV with a 40kWh battery for maybe 2 or 3 grand over the €24k base price would have been a killer!

Thats not really the base price though, is it?

You are calling base price the value after they accept a scrappage deal?

The real base price is €28k if you go in with nothing... isnt it?

isnottheword

It seemed underwhelming when it was first announced due to battery capacity - but given the range that seems to have been independently verified by a few users now, they're achieving much improved efficiency than any of the other EV manufacturers.

I look forward to making do with my Leaf and switching to the likes of the Ioniq once they start coming off PCP deals in the UK i.e. 2-3 years.

bk

n97 mini wrote: »

I broadly agree with your sentiment, though try bringing up kids in an apartment. Apartments in the city centre are great and there should be a lot more of them by way of high rise where people who want city life can live. No sense in 20 somethings living off out in the next county, but there is a shortage of suitable accommodation for them thanks to preserving the lunacy that is Dublin's skyline.

I do have kids and I'd say roughly half the apartments in my building have kids.

It is great. A two bed apartment is plenty of space for one kid and even enough for two kids when they are younger.

Big green area all around the apartment, in which up to 30 kids play in during the summer months with 3 or 4 parents watching over them and chatting. Makes for an incredibly good community spirit. Much better then my sister who lives in a massive, one off rural home, which yes has a massive back garden, but her kids can never leave as their is no footpath on the rural road outside and cars zooming by at 80kmh+. They have to be brought by my sister to play dates at other peoples houses, very sad really IMO.

As I mentioned 5 great schools within 10 minutes walking distance, the primary schools even do walking groups to bring younger kids to the school, fantastic idea. Also lots of GAA clubs and other social groups within walking distance for the kids.

When I bought my place, I specifically sought out a European style setup where I could grow into and actually raise kids in. I realise that many apartments in Dublin aren't built this way and that is a disgrace. But please don't think you can't safely and comfortably bring up kids in an apartment. It is done all the time all over Europe and can easily be done here if people have the right attitude and get by this stupid thinking that apartments are only for students and 20 some things.

And it isn't just Europe. I'm just back from Brazil and I'm blown away by the facilities apartment buildings have there! The one I was visiting had a massive recreation area out back. Big kids play ground with slides, swings, climbing castle thingy, little kids house. A sand court with football goal posts at either end and a volley ball net in the middle. All surrounded by benches and then around that about 6 separate BBQ areas with literally full cooking facilities, plugs, running water, sinks etc. and a Big screen TV so you could watch a match, etc. They even had shared showers so you could wash off the sand before you entered the apartment building. Just wow!

And this was just a relatively standard middle class building. Frankly what I saw in Brazil put our even most expensive buildings to shame in terms of facilities.

Honestly the more I travel around the world, the more I realise how narrow minded we can be here in Ireland and how we could learn to live better from other countries.

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Thats not really the base price though, is it?

You are calling base price the value after they accept a scrappage deal?

The real base price is €28k if you go in with nothing... isnt it?

Some dealers ask details about your car for scrappage, some even insist on seeing it first. But most dealers couldn't care less, so you can bring in any €50 driving scrapper that you've just bought in a scrapyard. So on that basis, yes, €24,495 is the base price. Plus delivery and optional extras. Minus the discount you negotiate.

KoemansCC

Back on topic again!!! Happy man today as I've just signed the dotted line and ordered an IONIQ; really looking forward to taking ownership as it'll be the first new car I'll be buying. There was some confusion with whether the scrappage would apply due to not being able to register the EV until the SEAI grant was approved, but I told them I was walking unless I got it; a quick confirmation with Hyundai Ireland and it was sorted. Now, I just hope my scrappage car will last the 4 weeks until delivery, it'll be touch and go 😂😂

Let the charger anxiety begin!!!!

unkel

Best of luck

4 weeks until delivery? Your dealer might not be aware that there is a delay of probably a few weeks, sorry for the bad news. Could you check with your dealer and report back here?

Lol back on topic you said :-)

Sorry for hijacking the thread, let's by all means discuss this in a separate thread and post the link here because it is a very interesting topic.

isnottheword

KoemansCC wrote: »

Let the charger anxiety begin!!!!

sounds like you'll have very little in the way of battery range anxiety (by comparison with what's on the market up until now.

bk

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol back on topic you said :-)

Sorry for hijacking the thread, let's by all means discuss this in a separate thread and post the link here because it is a very interesting topic.

I know, sorry, so hard not to discuss such an interesting topic.

Plus I would say, transport, EV's, public transport, housing, planning, etc. are all closely connected.

Cheap EV "fuel" costs and self driving cars are going to have a big impact on housing and how we live.

KoemansCC

unkel wrote: »

Best of luck

4 weeks until delivery? Your dealer might not be aware that there is a delay of probably a few weeks, sorry for the bad news. Could you check with your dealer and report back here?

I've heard about the delay alright t, but I wouldn't be too worried about a few weeks. He did mention that the next shipment will just be the white model (which I want) and that black and other colours wouldn't arrive until April or May. I'm called back in later this week to complete the rest of the paperwork SEAI ESB etc

Fiery mutant

Villain wrote: »

Has anyone actually got 200KM of driving from the Ioniq in Ireland, including motorway driving?

I done a 170km trip today, with about 50% of that on motorway. Still about 50km left on battery.

KoemansCC

isnottheword wrote: »

sounds like you'll have very little in the way of battery range anxiety (by comparison with what's on the market up until now.

I was joking just a bit Range wouldnt bother me, more like the anxiety I'll have pulling up to charger not knowing if it's blocked or not!!!

unkel

KoemansCC wrote: »

I've heard about the delay alright t, but I wouldn't be too worried about a few weeks. He did mention that the next shipment will just be the white model (which I want) and that black and other colours wouldn't arrive until April or May.

I don't think he is telling you the truth there. White ones are in the country already, the metallic ones are on the boat. Did he push you to go for white?

KoemansCC

unkel wrote: »

I don't think he is telling you the truth there. White ones are in the country already, the metallic ones are on the boat. Did he push you to go for white?

No, white is what I want. I thought about the black metallic, but our other car is a black Octavia so wanted a contrast. None of the other colours interested me.

Maybe I'm getting my wires crossed as I did email about 20 dealers over the werkend (bcc) to try and get a true reflection of the scrappage and orher questions I had. To say there were some contradictory replies would be generous

unkel

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I done a 170km trip today, with about 50% of that on motorway. Still about 50km left on battery.

Now that is what I like to hear! What speeds did you do on the motorway? What was the rest of your journey like? I presume you had lights / aircon on all of the time too?

Fiery mutant

Kinnegad - Kilcock - Dundrum - Rathgar and back with a detour. Motorway would have averaged about 110kph, drive mode was normal. Climate set to Auto 23c.

Anyone who knows the Kinnegad to Kilcok road will know it's an open road, so normally do 100kph there.

peposhi

Did 250km mixed city/country/motorway drive in an Ioniq this afternoon.
The dealer did not have it fully charged for me, so decided there was no point trying to get it to fully charge so to run it down and get an approximate kms out of a full charge. So I went for two top ups at Naas and Midway FCPs. At Midway the car was just swallowing kWs - 26 in 26 minutes at 8'C. Very impressive compared to my 24kW. In 26 minutes it charged more than the actual used kW in my Leaf. I am not used to such speed.
Tried all different styles of driving with different level of regen, had a few short fast spins, drove it hard and careful so to feel the difference.
Have to say again... impressive work from Hyundai.
As futuristic the Leaf is for many people, including myself, when you familiarise yourself with the Ioniq's dashboard and all little buttons it actually makes you realise that Leaf is/will become outdated soon. And Nissan are not doing themself any favour by not upgrading the Leaf. Nissan actually need a giant step forward to catch up with the competition.
Going for a drive in the dark now and back on the road tomorrow morning.
Will see then what we can do with regards to buying or replacing either the ICE or the EV...

Yes the Ioniq is very impressive !

In fairness to Nissan, the Leaf was constructed when the battery cost over twice what it does today and they deserve a lot of credit for achieving the first affordable EV and it was a short time later when they made further improvements such as the heat pump, lighter, leather, heated seats, steering and then the 30 Kwh.

I'm sure they have good reasons for waiting, better to have a product that is good than to have problems later on.

Nissan have hinted of some automated driving so it will probably steer itself and accelerate and brake on the motorway and anywhere there are road markings but will probably not work on rural Irish style roads.

Most likely a lot more high tech and more range and faster charging, I'm hoping it has 100+ Kw charging capability and at least 300 kms range and the option of more power.

But I hope they also think of families and make an estate version ,either way I can't wait to see it.

peposhi

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes the Ioniq is very impressive !

In fairness to Nissan, the Leaf was constructed when the battery cost over twice what it does today and they deserve a lot of credit for achieving the first affordable EV and it was a short time later when they made further improvements such as the heat pump, lighter, leather, heated seats, steering and then the 30 Kwh.

I'm sure they have good reasons for waiting, better to have a product that is good than to have problems later on.

Nissan have hinted of some automated driving so it will probably steer itself and accelerate and brake on the motorway and anywhere there are road markings but will probably not work on rural Irish style roads.

Most likely a lot more high tech and more range and faster charging, I'm hoping it has 100+ Kw charging capability and at least 300 kms range and the option of more power.

But I hope they also think of families and make an estate version ,either way I can't wait to see it.

I genuinely believe once the EVs hit even 250 real world kms a huge attention will be paid to them...
The Ioniq is very good step forward and will definitely drive the competition forward.
It will outsell the Leaf this year for sure.

I might be wrong, but I think the Hyundai was charging at 65kw at around 60% and then dropped to 30kw when it reached 85%.

The Ioniq can charge at 60-65 Kw all the way to about 82% then about 20 Kw until 90 odd %.

I'm not sure 300 Kms range is enough to persuade Irish people to change, you'd be surprised the amount of people where I live who insist the Coal is still the best , cheapest form of heating, the dirtiest smokey coal, won't even burn smokeless. These people will never change........

Then there's the fact that we need car manufacturers to take the finger out and electrify their entire fleet !

Are you thinking about changing the Leaf ? :-)

Water John

Could the Ioniq have a second battery at the front?

unkel

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I'm not sure 300 Kms range is enough to persuade Irish people to change, you'd be surprised the amount of people where I live who insist the Coal is still the best , cheapest form of heating, the dirtiest smokey coal, won't even burn smokeless. These people will never change........)

The same people that never put more than €20 fuel in their car, so they've never even had a range of 300km in their ICE

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Ioniq can charge at 60-65 Kw all the way to about 82% then about 20 Kw until 90 odd %.

I'm not sure 300 Kms range is enough to persuade Irish people to change, you'd be surprised the amount of people where I live who insist the Coal is still the best , cheapest form of heating, the dirtiest smokey coal, won't even burn smokeless. These people will never change........

Then there's the fact that we need car manufacturers to take the finger out and electrify their entire fleet !

Are you thinking about changing the Leaf ? :-)

To be honest with you I think it's more lack of real world knowledge. I'm only now looking at these because of the ioniq and the Zoe that's coming and the information has only come from here specifically.

If Hyundai or Renault put even a medocire add campaign together detailing cost to fill up. Range . Tax looks extras in the cars and then a snazzy map of chargers and mobile apps these would get a fierce amount of thought from the general public.

Literally a few euro to get well over 200km range...No brainer .Oil is now back up.


There isn't public knowledge of these vehicles

Villain

I heard Nissan adverts on Radio offering a petrol or diesel if you change your mind:

We’re 100% confident you’ll love your Nissan LEAF. But if you change your mind we’ll swap it for a 172 Petrol or Diesel for free.

You only have 3 months to change your mind though

Villain

listermint wrote: »

To be honest with you I think it's more lack of real world knowledge. I'm only now looking at these because of the ioniq and the Zoe that's coming and the information has only come from here specifically.

If Hyundai or Renault put even a medocire add campaign together detailing cost to fill up. Range . Tax looks extras in the cars and then a snazzy map of chargers and mobile apps these would get a fierce amount of thought from the general public.

Literally a few euro to get well over 200km range...No brainer .Oil is now back up.


There isn't public knowledge of these vehicles

Education is an issue for many reasons, not just because people don't know about the advantages but also non ev drivers don't understand the issue of blocking chargers.

Also the CER review and the ESB ecars submission has the potential to make a mess of the infrastructure for a generation.

Oh and oil is up from a crazy low but it is still 50% of peak price we saw in last 10 years.

listermint

Villain wrote: »

Education is an issue for many reasons, not just because people don't know about the advantages but also non ev drivers don't understand the issue of blocking chargers.

Also the CER review and the ESB ecars submission has the potential to make a mess of the infrastructure for a generation.

Oh and oil is up from a crazy low but it is still 50% of peak price we saw in last 10 years.

True but as of last week Ireland became the first country in the world to sign up to no lonfer providing state aid to fossil fuel development.

That money should be redirected.we should be for runners in the carbon change we are small and can be bloody well dynamic if we put our minds to it.

No reason not to retain tech companies based on our green credentials if we went that direction with earnest .

People do see current fuel prices cheap but if people got a monthly bill for petrol and diesel is they might finally realise how expensive it actually is.

It would be hard to convince someone who pays 30-40 a week on fuel to change to EV even though that 30-40 euro's would get them significantly further on electric they're more than willing to pay it. It's far too easy to shell out cash at the till and forget about it !