Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

Kramer

slave1 wrote: »

Sure who's going to drive 300kms at 42km/h

Apparently, Mrs. Kramer .

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

You bought a Leaf instead of an Ioniq, because the Leaf has an app?

Leaf app may as well be named as app beginning with CR, takes days to load.
All the while to tell you, hey I've sizzled away another kWh today!

zg3409

Old Jim wrote: »

Have a question on the re-sale value of the Ioniq.
The last 3 cars I’ve bought have been 3yr olds and cost between 8 - 9.5K and two of those were from a garage.
Average asking price of a 2017 Ioniq seems to be around 20K private.
Is it simply the economics of supply and demand or have cars gotten a lot more expensive in recent years?
Looking back over this thread, the 2017 Ioniq could be bought from 26K (with scrappage) to 28k new. Seems extraordinary low depreciation on a new car.
I would be worried that the brunt of the depreciation will be felt by the 2nd owner as opposed to the 1st. How much will a 7 yr old Ioniq be worth, I wonder?
What do people think?

Typically new petrol/diesel cars drop 20% in year 1 and 10% on all following years. Naturally exceptions apply such as cars with low demand on used market (big engines/tax/insurance) and cars with an over supply on used market e.g. focus and when rumours or public opinion changes such as dieselgate or talk of banning petrol or diesel or a looming recession (covit-19)

To try stay on the Ioniq topic, typically EVs have kept their value and there was over demand on used market and in some cases lack of supply on new market (e.g. Tesla model 3, kona/niro). Some used EVs went up in value as used demand has grown.

You should probably allow 2000 euro plus for depreciation annually, but also factor in fuel savings.

Oil prices are set to drop, so that might put people off buying EVs, and a recession is looming so that might mean less new cars entering market and a glut of reprocessed nearly new models with no demand from the public to buy them.

In terms of new Ioniq the 28kWh was 26,000 to 31,000, the new 38kWh model is 38,000 but presumably will be discounted if they can't sell them, which it seems they can't.

What seemed to help the Ioniq keep its value was the low numbers sold/available (resulting in hyundai & EV dealers importing used models from UK) and great feedback from owners saying range, bells and whistles and charging speed was better than 30kWh leaf.

Kramer

Black_Knight wrote: »

Need to see the GOM showing 300km before it's real.

The last time it was charged to 100% (last week, before the last trip with estimated 301.5km range), it showed 285km om the GOM.
It would probably show close to 300km if fully charged now but as it won't be used for the next several days, it won't be charged.
It wasn't ever let sit at a high SoC for too long.



I might see what's the lowest I could get the GOM to show at 100% SoC when this lockdown eases (if it's not sold before then).
I'm quite good at driving very inefficiently at times too .

JPA

Kramer wrote: »

Well, she did it!!!
300km+ confirmed range on an Ioniq :eek:.



54.5km driven with 247km left - average speed 42km/h :cool:.

Pity it'll likely be parked up now for a while unless a new owner appears.
https://carsireland.ie/2540636

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How do you drive 54km at 42km/h without being blown off the road?

unkel

JPA wrote: »

How do you drive 54km at 42km/h without being blown off the road?

It's averages. Including stopping time in heavy traffic, at traffic lights, etc. Over the 3 years I had mine - in Dublin city area traffic 95% of the time - my average speed overall wasn't an awful lot faster than that...

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

It's averages. Including stopping time in heavy traffic, at traffic lights, etc. Over the 3 years I had mine - in Dublin city area traffic 95% of the time - my average speed overall wasn't an awful lot faster than that...

Yup, you'd be surprised what your average speed is with a bit of city driving.

ewj1978

I do 150km round trip a day. Nearly all national road, My average speed is only 60 odd. Go through a few villages, traffic lights on junctions and roundabouts. All brings down the average speed.
I'd love to see what her e-soul would get if it was all city driving.
Wouldn't help me in my i3 though as I always drive it like I stole away from any lights.

Fiery mutant

Anyone any tips for good insurance for their ev? Mine is with Aviva but is up soon, and having no luck with regards decent priced quotes.

zg3409

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Anyone any tips for good insurance for their ev? Mine is with Aviva but is up soon, and having no luck with regards decent priced quotes.

Off topic, shop around, ring brokers, adding a second named driver that may never sit in vehicle can sometimes reduce premium. Play around with your job title may help. Try its for women (even if male) and axa, and also I find haggling and making up pretend quotes they match or beat can help. Finally go back to existing provider to see if they will match other quote to save hassle of switching

jprboy

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Anyone any tips for good insurance for their ev? Mine is with Aviva but is up soon, and having no luck with regards decent priced quotes.

Mine was approx. €385 with Aviva last April with the Leaf and there wasn't much extra to pay when I changed to the Ioniq in late June/early July.

Renewal noticed arrived a few weeks ago for approx. €585 !! Almost 30 years on my own policy and never had a claim, f** that!!

Tried the old trick of keying in my details on the Aviva website to see if I could get it down but after spending time keying in all my details and hitting "Get Quote" it came back to say a quote couldn't be supplied so total waste of time.

Got a quote online from Allianz for just over €400 so went with that. Had also tried AA and was quoted €484. Didn't try anyone else. Wife as a named driver, fully comp and most of the add-ons.

Anyone using a broker these days?

Black_Knight

What's peoples thinking around EVs being cheaper to insure? I don't see the reason for them being cheaper.

ELM327

Less interest from boy racers (myself excluded of course).

General perception that they are driven by people with no interest in cars and in their seventies or with a crop of their own organic veg growing at home.

My >400hp , 0-60 in 4s Tesla was cheaper to insure than most cars I had in the couple of years before, that were nowhere close to those numbers. I had an e60 535d bmw (275 bhp, 0-60 in ~5s) and was loaded to hell with insuring it!

AhHaor

It's all risk. There's some benefit that they don't breakdown, so less breakdown cover required. A certain type of driver has gone for EVs. Most companies only have a few years of data, and so far the risk for EVs is less than ICEs. This is a huge generalisation I know. But at the end of the day that's what they're going on. They have no idea how to characterise the power trains either. Engine cc usually gives nice correlation with BHP and risk.

The car is only a tiny proportion of car insurance risk. The driver profile is way more. Huge proportion of insurance costs are for third party damage/injury.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

I had an e60 535d bmw (275 bhp, 0-60 in ~5s) and was loaded to hell with insuring it!

E60 535d is the new Honda Integra Type-R from an insurance point of view, very popular with a certain demographic :pac:

Kramer

Before anyone blows a gasket, all essential journeys.........Mrs. K donned the green jersey (redeployed due to the bug).

No motorways, low average speed etc.

unkel

Your missus has a light foot

But yeah, that's pretty comprehensive support for what I've been saying for a long time. You can get 300km out of an Ioniq if you want, without resorting to hypermiling techniques. But not at motorway speeds or in winter obviously.

Stick above picture in your ad. Seriously. And explain that the car has 28kWh usable battery capacity. Take the weighted average of above figures and say that (i.e. 305km or whatever the figure is) is the typical range you've been getting lately

unkel

Haha, did it for you took 3 minutes. 306km is her weighted average range of Ioniq

Black_Knight

Car is/was due its yearly service a few weeks ago, but with everything closed I didn't bother looking into it. Kearys emailed to say they're reopening for essential maintenance and pre-nct (I wouldn't count my car service as essential), so I contacted Hyundai.

In the agents own words - "I am not certain if it will affect your warranty". They're going to contact me about it and I guess try schedule a service. I've no intention of getting my car services under the current regulations though.

Efitz2019

With the restrictions in place I'm only driving a few kms a day and only need to charge once a week or so. Everyday the car now says the battery auxillary was used to charge the 12v battery. Should I be worried? Should I bring the car out on a few longer drives to recharge the 12v battery fully or is the car just topping up the 12v as needed? Or will I need a new 12v soon! It's a 191. Anyone else having the same issue?

adunis

Nah standard Ioniq behaviour,
12v battery will last prob 3/4 years,
Best bet throw a cheepo booster pack off eBay in the glovebox and learn how to open the doors with the emergency key/ release the charge cable with the pull cable ,even with the 22v knackered it will only act the p@#ck once in a blue moon.

Efitz2019

adunis wrote: »

Nah standard Ioniq behaviour,
12v battery will last prob 3/4 years,
Best bet throw a cheepo booster pack off eBay in the glovebox and learn how to open the doors with the emergency key/ release the charge cable with the pull cable ,even with the 22v knackered it will only act the p@#ck once in a blue moon.

Thanks I'll pick one up and leave it in the car cheers

unkel

Efitz2019 wrote: »

Thanks I'll pick one up and leave it in the car cheers

They are brilliant and a steal at around EUR25-30 if you can get one in a sale. Make sure you know how to physically open the Ioniq door with the key though, as adunis suggested already!

zg3409

Black_Knight wrote: »

Car is/was due its yearly service a few weeks ago, but with everything closed I didn't bother looking into it. Kearys emailed to say they're reopening for essential maintenance and pre-nct (I wouldn't count my car service as essential), so I contacted Hyundai.

In the agents own words - "I am not certain if it will affect your warranty". They're going to contact me about it and I guess try schedule a service. I've no intention of getting my car services under the current regulations though.

Mine is due its service. I changed the cabin pollen filter for a part costing 11 euro including delivery. No tools needed, drop down glove box, guide came with filter. Dealer charged me 35 euro + labour last time for this. I will get it serviced when I can, but I won't be paying for cabin filter.

Black_Knight

zg3409 wrote: »

Mine is due its service. I changed the cabin pollen filter for a part costing 11 euro including delivery. No tools needed, drop down glove box, guide came with filter. Dealer charged me 35 euro + labour last time for this. I will get it serviced when I can, but I won't be paying for cabin filter.

Cabin filters are one of the greatest scams dealers have during a service.

slave1

Absolutely, I change all mine, only takes minutes

unkel

I feel sorry for the dealers though. The very last thing they could do in a service to EVs that they can make a bit of a profit on is the aul pollen filter. And now we're all doing that one ourselves too

3 years of owning my Ioniq and I spent €0.00 on servicing + €163.80 for two tyres incl. shipping + €30 fitting them

And if I had known I was about to sell the car, I need not have bothered even changing these tyres as they were still road legal

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

I feel sorry for the dealers though. The very last thing they could do in a service to EVs that they can make a bit of a profit on is the aul pollen filter. And now we're all doing that one ourselves too

3 years of owning my Ioniq and I spent €0.00 on servicing + €163.80 for two tyres incl. shipping + €30 fitting them

And if I had known I was about to sell the car, I need not have bothered even changing these tyres as they were still road legal

A Cork lady thanks you for them. It rains more here

unkel

And I hope the car serves her as well as it did me. Excellent car, the Ioniq electric. But sure we all know that in this thread, no need to preach to the converted

Gael23

What home home charge points are good with the Ioniq?

unkel

Doesn't matter. As long as it's a 32A charge point.

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

Your missus has a light foot

But yeah, that's pretty comprehensive support for what I've been saying for a long time. You can get 300km out of an Ioniq if you want, without resorting to hypermiling techniques. But not at motorway speeds or in winter obviously.

unkel wrote: »

Haha, did it for you took 3 minutes. 306km is her weighted average range of Ioniq

293km @ 98% = 299km :eek:.

I guess I'll need to tow her around for another few hundred kilmometers to get the GOM to show over 300km .

Black_Knight

Black_Knight wrote: »

Car is/was due its yearly service a few weeks ago, but with everything closed I didn't bother looking into it. Kearys emailed to say they're reopening for essential maintenance and pre-nct (I wouldn't count my car service as essential), so I contacted Hyundai.

In the agents own words - "I am not certain if it will affect your warranty". They're going to contact me about it and I guess try schedule a service. I've no intention of getting my car services under the current regulations though.

Got that cleared up. Warranty unaffected. Tried booking me in for next week but I bowed out of that. Too awkward to drop it in for no reason really considering their flexibility at these times.

Think I heard €90 mentioned, so not too bad either

lafors

Anyone else seeing bad range on their Ioniq? Mine is a 181. When I got it I'd see 210km on the range after a full charge, this then dropped and i'd see 190, not even seeing 200 anymore even in good weather.
In the recent couple of months I've not seen any over late 170s. And it's driving to that range too, i.e. not underestimating it.

I drive it ~65km each weekday and would charge every second day.

So anyone seeing these low figures?
Also anyone know the easiest way to see the battery condition on an Ioniq?

Kramer

lafors wrote: »

Anyone else seeing bad range on their Ioniq?

Nothing wrong with ours anyway. Maybe check your tyre pressures or did you perhaps change tyres to something less efficient?
What is your efficiency/consumption figure history?
Easy to check in the EV menu.

lafors wrote: »

Also anyone know the easiest way to see the battery condition on an Ioniq?

Well there are the battery bars/gauge on the right hand side & an app called Torque (with some tweaking) in combination with an OBD adapter.

What mileage is on your Ioniq?

unkel

Seems very low, you're in Dublin so presumably you don't do much over 100km/h in your commute? With the warmish weather of the past few weeks you should see over 200km range really, even if you have a heavy foot. What's your tyre pressures? If they are early 30s (but not low enough for the warning to come on) I guess you could lose a good 20km range just because of that.

lafors

Kramer wrote: »

Nothing wrong with ours anyway. Maybe check your tyre pressures or did you perhaps change tyres to something less efficient?
What is your efficiency/consumption figure history?
Easy to check in the EV menu.

Well there are the battery bars/gauge on the right hand side & an app called Torque (with some tweaking) in combination with an OBD adapter.

What mileage is on your Ioniq?

Only on 33k.
Efficiency is around 14/15kWh/100km

unkel wrote: »

Seems very low, you're in Dublin so presumably you don't do much over 100km/h in your commute? With the warmish weather of the past few weeks you should see over 200km range really, even if you have a heavy foot. What's your tyre pressures? If they are early 30s (but not low enough for the warning to come on) I guess you could lose a good 20km range just because of that.

Tire pressure is good I've checked it, same type of tyres as were on it originally.

Kramer

lafors wrote: »

Efficiency is around 14/15kWh/100km

28kWh usable battery so that should equate to between 186km to 200km range on the GOM. I wouldn't think the GOM showing high 170s is anything to be concerned about to be honest.

You'd need the bring the consumption down to see the estimated range increase - I would think 12kWh/100km should be easily achieveable with largely urban commuting.

14/15kWh/100km seems highish enough to me given how efficient the Ioniq is, depending on road type of course & driving style.

But I think high 170s looks OK given those efficiency figures.

unkel

lafors wrote: »

Efficiency is around 14/15kWh/100km

14kWh / 100km is a range of 200km, which is also the EPA / WLTP range of the car. And pretty much par for the course for mixed driving in mild enough (non-winter) weather. Can you show us a list of the consumption of the last few days (like Kramer did recently). Maybe the low GOM is at odds with the real consumption you are getting? I presume you are on the latest firmware?

Are you sure your tyre pressures are at least high 30s? I can't remember from memory what they are supposed to be exactly. I'm sure it's been mentioned here and is also in the manual.

jprboy

unkel wrote: »

….Are you sure your tyre pressures are at least high 30s? I can't remember from memory what they are supposed to be exactly. I'm sure it's been mentioned here and is also in the manual.

It's 36.

KCross

lafors wrote: »

Only on 33k.
Efficiency is around 14/15kWh/100km.

My guess is that with the quieter roads your average speed is up, hence lower efficiency?

unkel

KCross wrote: »

My guess is that with the quieter roads your average speed is up, hence lower efficiency?

Didn't think of that. You might very well be right. I have caught myself driving much faster on the M50 in the last few months than I would have (or could have) done before.

lafors

So I took the last 30 trips data (what the Ioniq records) and for 688km my average is 16.76kWh/100km

So actually working that out it's around 167km range I think.
I'd say you're right then, clearer roads and a heavier than normal foot are the factors

Is there any way of clearing the memory of those trips? I'd be interested to see what the current distance is without driver influence

Kramer

lafors wrote: »

So I took the last 30 trips data (what the Ioniq records) and for 688km my average is 16.76kWh/100km

Heavy right foot - & why not!

lafors wrote: »

Is there any way of clearing the memory of those trips? I'd be interested to see what the current distance is without driver influence

Not that I'm aware of & it will always show an estimate of range, which is based on your previous usage/efficiency. There's no "rated range", like Tesla.

Your car is fine - it sounds like you are looking to find something wrong IMO.

Perhaps you are looking to upgrade & trying to justify this to yourself?

:pac:

Kramer

Usual caveat - no motorway or high speed driving, rural & urban driving with low average speed & a light right footed driver :eek:.
All return journeys too so no elevation/wind advantages etc.



Averaging 8.83kWh/100km giving an estimated range of 317km.

This won't be typical for prospective Ioniq owners - it's largely due to the current driving profile, ultra quiet roads & mild weather, but it's an indicator again of just how efficient the Ioniq can be.

lafors

Kramer wrote: »

Heavy right foot - & why not!



Not that I'm aware of & it will always show an estimate of range, which is based on your previous usage/efficiency. There's no "rated range", like Tesla.

Your car is fine - it sounds like you are looking to find something wrong IMO.

Perhaps you are looking to upgrade & trying to justify this to yourself?

:pac:

Hahaha, the car will be going back to the fleet company in January so I will be changing. The car is brilliant, if I was Joe public looking for a 2+2 family car that's so easy to drive and nippy too I'd find it hard to not recommend and that's even before the savings on fuel.

But yes I'll be changing....and upgrading

Kramer wrote: »

Usual caveat - no motorway or high speed driving, rural & urban driving with low average speed & a light right footed driver :eek:.
All return journeys too so no elevation/wind advantages etc.



Averaging 8.83kWh/100km giving an estimated range of 317km.

This won't be typical for prospective Ioniq owners - it's largely due to the current driving profile, ultra quiet roads & mild weather, but it's an indicator again of just how efficient the Ioniq can be.

That is mad Ted :pac:
How on earth are you getting those figures? You must be trying to get it that low surely??

unkel

What you are getting next, lafors?

Ehm, let me guess. A company leased car, significant upgrade from Ioniq, but has to be within a certain price range? That makes it very hard to guess. Tesla Model 3 maybe? :pac:

Kramer

lafors wrote: »

That is mad Ted :pac:
How on earth are you getting those figures?

Mrs. K always needed upwards of 200km, regardless of time of year, so she always drove accordingly. No motorway travel, usually urban & rural travel with low average speed.
It's a habit she has now i guess - she's no captain slow to be fair but recent traffic & warm weather have produced those figures.

Kramer

Carrying on from recent posts, I just checked the Ioniq again with Torque/OBD.



It's showing 100% SoH & 7280kWh cumulative energy discharged.
This would equate to 15kWh from new, including all types of weather, roads (motorways), heating, AC etc.

Cumulative energy charged is 7620kWh - I wonder if that includes recuperated charge or just "plugged in" charge. If just plugged in, it would indicate 340kWh in charging losses, approx 4.5%.

Cumulative charge/discharge current are near identical - 20,800Ah odd.

Interesting .

lafors

unkel wrote: »

What you are getting next, lafors?

Ehm, let me guess. A company leased car, significant upgrade from Ioniq, but has to be within a certain price range? That makes it very hard to guess. Tesla Model 3 maybe? :pac:

Nah the fleet companies have put the prices up on them and even puts the Ioniq 5k out of our budget now :mad:
I'll drop out and get something myself. I had a test drive booked of the model 3 alright but that got canned obviously.
Other option is to go mad again, came from a V8 to electric :pac: