Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

slave1

slave1 wrote: »

I disagree, they should be as equally encouraged as the domestic EV owner.
As an everyday man, myself and my family gain from the taxi emission reduction in terms of air quality alone...

In any case this will be mute soon once the ESB start charging...

I don't think I would support the taxpayer funding a commercial business like this who would stand to make substantial savings over the live of an ev compared to a Diesel unless it was reflected by a notable reduction in taxi fares.

Even if it was not free there simply is not enough charge points but taxi companies surely could arrange to have charge points installed at ranks, I'm sure it wouldn't be a huge deal.

If they had 200 odd kms range like with the Ioniq there's be a lot less need for public charging.

The larger taxi companies could install DC chargers at their depots.

Sure I agree about the emissions end of things but I can't see many taxi drivers changing in Ireland , it's too easy to charge customers for diesel.

unkel

German vid of an Ioniq EV accelerating (outside temp -5C)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-y7zaONURY

Seems to take about 8s from 0-100km/h going on to top speed of 172km/h

Fairly impressive. Always weary of how reliable these indicated speeds are, I guess someone with a GPS will post that at some stage.

For anyone finding this boring, the same youtuber also has other videos of cars accerating, including a Tesla in ludicrous mode

Don't forget that without new car sales there'd be no 2nd hand sales......

PCP will likely protect me against serious depreciation next year , 12,500 K , and that's what I was offered for it this year and it would cost be to bail out this year where as next year if they offered me 9 K for instance I don't care because at worst I've no deposit for the next car.

To avoid depreciation I could simply keep it.

I think Ioniq owners might be in for a nasty shock in 3 years especially judging by the complete lack of interest in dealers in electrics and their unwillingness to offer their true value, they're trying to destroy electric car sales so they can make filthy profits on ICE maintenance.

So if there's low interest rates on PCP through Hyundai and a GFMV that's not ridiculously low I'd advise to grab it while you can, the low interest rates are attractive anyway even if PCP wan't itself viable. I heard their PCP interest rates are far lower than finance anyway.

I got PCP at the right time before Nissan destroyed it but if they offer low interest over the 3 years it could make it a cheap loan and then pay off the 5 K at the end, say 5 K cash in the beginning and 5 K at the end. With regular finance you can pay ir over 3-5 years and not face any lump sum payments at the end but you pay a lot more PM and a lot more interest if paying over 5 years.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Ioniq owners who bought on PCP might be in for a nasty shock in 3 years

FYP

But nevermind PCP, any EV owner who thinks the second hand value of their car will not suffer when newer and better cars inevitably arrive, is a fool.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

FYP

But nevermind PCP, any EV owner who thinks the second hand value of their car will not suffer when newer and better cars inevitably arrive, is a fool.

Sorry, I meant who buy an Ioniq in general but you're correct any EV, I'm only waking up for night shift.....

Most cars suffer a lot of depreciation anyway.


How would you fair after 3 years in an Astra or C4 or Pulsar for instance ?

unkel

Much better than if you bought a Leaf 3 years ago. And if buying today, probably better than an Ioniq too. EVs do depreciate more over the first few years, but the saving in fuel alone should more than compensate for that, unless your mileage is really low.

goz83

unkel wrote: »

Much better than if you bought a Leaf 3 years ago. And if buying today, probably better than an Ioniq too. EVs do depreciate more over the first few years, but the saving in fuel alone should more than compensate for that, unless your mileage is really low.

I've been thinking about this recently and have decided that the prospect of buying a brand new EV is not quite as satisfying as buying a year old EV which has taken a big depreciation hit. The idiots at a Mitsubishi dealership (I won't name) and the lack of options for the Ioniq have cooled my burning desire to buy a new EV, or PHEV now.

My new plan is to buy a Leaf Tekna in the UK in the next couple of weeks. I will be looking for the 6.6 version. I'm not too bothered with the colour, but I prefer dark grey, or black. Want at least a 2014 model, most likely a 2015.

Over the next 12 months, I will be keeping an eye on the market for an Outlander PHEV, late 2015 facelift GX4H version. Or if a premium version of the Ioniq pops up, I will go for that. I plan to spend €20k or less if possible, but if the Leaf works out and is comfortable for me, I will be considering a 30kw version.

So I will have either 2 EVs, or 1 EV and a PHEV.

If anyone spots a nice Leaf Tekna with a 6.6, let me know.

n97 mini

unkel wrote: »

FYP

But nevermind PCP, any EV owner who thinks the second hand value of their car will not suffer when newer and better cars inevitably arrive, is a fool.

All the more reason not to buy new. It's not just EVs that suffer epic depreciation. Luxo barges are probably worse. A mate bought an 8 year old S class for 14k. It was 124k new (original sales receipt came with it). But unlike a used EV absolutely everything that could go wrong went wrong costing him thousands in maintenance and repairs.

cros13

cros13 wrote: »

Hyundai have put up some more images on their Ioniq page.
Still not listed in the models on the front page but they have a PCP/HP calculator up:

http://challenge.hyundai.ie/calculate?model=92&trim=490&deposit=10270

They don't allow you change the mileage and they don't show the GFMV!

unkel

n97 mini wrote: »

All the more reason not to buy new.

If you're planning to keep your car for 6 years, it makes little difference if you buy brand new or almost new. But if you change every 2 or 3 years or so, it makes a lot more sense not to buy brand new

I'm the first to admit that you can't beat the value of a £12.5k '16 Leaf 30kWh, I think that's the best value for money EV there is at the moment. That's a massive depreciation hit that car took in the first year!

Best of luck with the search goz83! I'm sure we'll all be keeping our eyes peeled in about a years time to see what's available from the UK in second hand Ioniqs

highdef

unkel wrote: »

If you're planning to keep your car for 6 years, it makes little difference if you buy brand new or almost new. But if you change every 2 or 3 years or so, it makes a lot more sense not to buy brand new

I'm the first to admit that you can't beat the value of a £12.5k '16 Leaf 30kWh, I think that's the best value for money EV there is at the moment. That's a massive depreciation hit that car took in the first year!

Best of luck with the search goz83! I'm sure we'll all be keeping our eyes peeled in about a years time to see what's available from the UK in second hand Ioniqs

There's no disagreeing that it's a very good price but could we please display prices in local and not foreign currency? Whilst a vehicle may be purchased in a different currency zone at a great price, it's still going to cost x amount in € to the buyer here, in this case about 15k.....again, still a very good price but not quite as amazing looking as when described in the foreign currency, British pounds.

650Ginge

highdef wrote: »

There's no disagreeing that it's a very good price but could we please display prices in local and not foreign currency? Whilst a vehicle may be purchased in a different currency zone at a great price, it's still going to cost x amount in € to the buyer here, in this case about 15k.....again, still a very good price but not quite as amazing looking as when described in the foreign currency, British pounds.

Currencies fluctuate. Wont even be the same price by the time you type it in and get to hit the post button.

Better you just plug it in to google, or look away from the nasty £.

:P

unkel

highdef wrote: »

still a very good price but not quite as amazing looking as when described in the foreign currency, British pounds.

As long as we use the correct currency sign, surely people will know the difference?

In fact the distinction £12.5k has the extra function of indicating that's the price over in Britain. Not here. €14.7k (todays equivalent of £12.5k) will not get you a '16 30kWh Leaf here. Not by a very long shot.

Anybody can stick £12.5k in google and will know in an instant what the equivalent is in €. We all know it costs nothing in VRT to bring in second hand Leaf from Britain, it will only cost a ferry ticket, a plane ticket and expenses. We all know that's about €200 if you can find cheap ferry and flight. Plus your time. Or €350 + VAT if you let someone else pick it up

peposhi

goz83 wrote: »

I've been thinking about this recently and have decided that the prospect of buying a brand new EV is not quite as satisfying as buying a year old EV which has taken a big depreciation hit. The idiots at a Mitsubishi dealership (I won't name) and the lack of options for the Ioniq have cooled my burning desire to buy a new EV, or PHEV now.

My new plan is to buy a Leaf Tekna in the UK in the next couple of weeks. I will be looking for the 6.6 version. I'm not too bothered with the colour, but I prefer dark grey, or black. Want at least a 2014 model, most likely a 2015.

Over the next 12 months, I will be keeping an eye on the market for an Outlander PHEV, late 2015 facelift GX4H version. Or if a premium version of the Ioniq pops up, I will go for that. I plan to spend €20k or less if possible, but if the Leaf works out and is comfortable for me, I will be considering a 30kw version.

So I will have either 2 EVs, or 1 EV and a PHEV.

If anyone spots a nice Leaf Tekna with a 6.6, let me know.

Not a Tekna and its white, but 6.6kW:http://www.electricautos.ie/vehicles/nissan/leaf/kildare/1684496

goz83

peposhi wrote: »

Not a Tekna and its white, but 6.6kW:http://www.electricautos.ie/vehicles/nissan/leaf/kildare/1684496

Deposit taken, but thanks.

listermint

highdef wrote: »

There's no disagreeing that it's a very good price but could we please display prices in local and not foreign currency? Whilst a vehicle may be purchased in a different currency zone at a great price, it's still going to cost x amount in € to the buyer here, in this case about 15k.....again, still a very good price but not quite as amazing looking as when described in the foreign currency, British pounds.

Unable to use Google..

bk

I don't watch much live TV, but I was very glad to see an ad for the Ioniq during half time of the rugby match yesterday. That is a pretty high visibility and expensive ad slot. Good to see Hyundai actually pushing it.

jca

bk wrote: »

I don't watch much live TV, but I was very glad to see an ad for the Ioniq during half time of the rugby match yesterday. That is a pretty high visibility and expensive ad slot. Good to see Hyundai actually pushing it.

Not much good having a fancy high visibility TV ad if the salesmen couldn't be arsed selling them.

goz83

jca wrote: »

Not much good having a fancy high visibility TV ad if the salesmen couldn't be arsed selling them.

Well said. I still haven't heard back about a test drive after an email request for same

jca

goz83 wrote: »

Well said. I still haven't heard back about a test drive after an email request for same

That's dreadful.

goz83

jca wrote: »

That's dreadful.

Yep. The rep was mentioned by name from someone who has bought an Ioniq. I took a 10 min test drive and asked about a 24/48 hour test drive. Was told they just had to register one for test drives, but wouldn't be long waiting. I followed up by email a week ago, so now waiting about 2 weeks and nothing. I'm not buying, but will still take test drive, as I will likely buy a higher spec UK version in a year when they have been hammered in depreciation.

slave1

I would not assume the Ioniq will be hammered like say, the Leaf, the Leaf has two separate models with 5 separate trims and significant options between, e.g. charger.
The Ioniq has less variants so may be less likely to depreciate as much.

For you I hope it does though....

KCross

I think the Ioniq will initially hold up better than the Leaf for one simple reason... lack of supply.

Its a new car with limited supply so the only s/h ones that will be available next year will be ex-demos and that will be quite a small number.

You could be lucky, but it will certainly be harder to get the same value as you can from a s/h Leaf.

goz83

KCross wrote: »

I think the Ioniq will initially hold up better than the Leaf for one simple reason... lack of supply.

Its a new car with limited supply so the only s/h ones that will be available next year will be ex-demos and that will be quite a small number.

You could be lucky, but it will certainly be harder to get the same value as you can from a s/h Leaf.

I think it will see some heavy depreciation. Supply is a bit short now, but with plans to release a 350km plus range battery in 2018, there will be a few hitting the market. As more EVs come onto the market, the Ioniq will feel it, as will other EVs. I'll be keeping an eye out anyway.

KCross

goz83 wrote: »

I think will will see some heavy depreciation. Supply is a bit short now, but with plans to release a 350km plus range battery in 2018, there will be a few hitting the market. I'll be keeping an eye out anyway.

But they will only be ex-demos, so very short on supply. The general punter who bought this year isnt going to be selling next year unless he has money to burn!

And there is a very good chance that their increased range version will be at a higher price point anyway, the same as every other EV manufacturer, so it might not have the effect you think.

Give it 2 years and the depreciation will start to kick in as there will be some coming off PCP then.

I'll be keeping an eye out with ya!

Fiery mutant

A recall has been issued for the Ioniq, due to an issue with the braking system creating a grinding noise. I have mine getting sorted during the week.

slave1

2 years = hard Brexit, time will tell, and who can say for certain if the VRT exemption will continue...

Bif

Fiery mutant wrote: »

A recall has been issued for the Ioniq, due to an issue with the braking system creating a grinding noise. I have mine getting sorted during the week.

how is it working out for you?

goz83

Fiery mutant wrote: »

A recall has been issued for the Ioniq, due to an issue with the braking system creating a grinding noise. I have mine getting sorted during the week.

Seriously? When I was on the test drive, I heard that grinding noise on the first corner. Sounded like a bearing was gone.

liamog

Fiery mutant wrote: »

A recall has been issued for the Ioniq, due to an issue with the braking system creating a grinding noise. I have mine getting sorted during the week.

Was the garage in touch?

unkel

goz83 wrote: »

Was told they just had to register one for test drives

This is genuine. They use different cars for 24h test drives (maybe an insurance / registration issue?). I had to wait to get my 24h test drive too for this reason. Ring Mooney's, they have the car I had available for 24h test drives. Perhaps the dealer you were dealing with can not get their hands on another car.

I had the grinding noise on my test drive too once or twice. I'll make sure the issue is sorted before I collect my car.

Fiery mutant

Bif wrote: »

how is it working out for you?

I love it. Honestly at the minute hard to see me going back to an ICE.

I was booked in with the garage this morning for them to look at the brake regarding the noise, when I got there they told me about the recall. Parts have been ordered to cover any units recalled, they will have them during the week.

Other than that I haven't had any issues, it's been a revelation.

Bif

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I love it. Honestly at the minute hard to see me going back to an ICE.

I was booked in with the garage this morning for them to look at the brake regarding the noise, when I got there they told me about the recall. Parts have been ordered to cover any units recalled, they will have them during the week.

Other than that I haven't had any issues, it's been a revelation.

Thanks. How is the real world range working out?

Fiery mutant

Depending on conditions etc, anywhere between 190 - 225km. Yesterday done a trip to my parents, 102km run, with most of it motorway driving, from Kilcock to greystones. It was raining, high winds, battery efficiency for the trip on the way out was 102km @ 14.7kw/100km and the return leg was 15.3kw/100km.

What speed were you driving Fiery mutant?

Fiery mutant

On the motorway about 110kph where the limit allowed for it. Where the limit was 100kph, I stuck to that speed, and then 80kph through the Lucan area where the cameras are.

unkel

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Depending on conditions etc, anywhere between 190 - 225km. Yesterday done a trip to my parents, 102km run, with most of it motorway driving, from Kilcock to greystones. It was raining, high winds, battery efficiency for the trip on the way out was 102km @ 14.7kw/100km and the return leg was 15.3kw/100km.

That's an implied range of just under 200km. At 100-110km/h in atrocious winter weather like we had yesterday, that's pretty decent. What's your driving mode? Normal / sport with regen 1 or 2?

Fiery mutant

Normal mode on the motorway with regen at 1, eco on the back roads with regen at level 1, or 2 depending on the road.

I wouldn't be banking on just under 200 kms at all based on the experience I had over 207 Kms, in warm fine weather maybe but I'd be looking to be close to a charge point by 170 kms which still isn't bad if you can charge so fast on the fast charger.

Fiery mutant

If the weather was any better yesterday, I would have been comfortable enough to try the full trip without looking for a top up. And I had the wife and 2 kids in the car.

Pacifico

Any news on when the plug in hybrid version is being released over here?

cros13

Pacifico wrote: »

Any news on when the plug in hybrid version is being released over here?

Q3/Q4 2017. It will be substantially more expensive. At least another €5k on top of the EV.

unkel

Can't see that being a popular car. Worst of both worlds. As Nyland said reviewing the BEV when he mentioned there were also a PHEV and a Hybrid: "you don't want those"

cros13

Well, so far in 2017, it looks like the BEV Ioniq is more than 70% of sales, and 15% of total european sales.
Betcha' Hyundai Ireland HQ did a double take....

BEV outsold hybrid in the UK too.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

Well, so far in 2017, it looks like the BEV Ioniq is more than 70% of sales.
Betcha' Hyundai Ireland HQ did a double take....

70% of all BEV or 70% of Hyundai sales?

cros13

KCross wrote: »

70% of all BEV or 70% of Hyundai sales?

71% of Ioniq sales were BEV rather than Hybrid. Hybrid available from more dealers.

peposhi

A lad with an Ioniq on the Facebook EV page is having an issue with charging the car. It won't start charging... He bought it 2-3 weeks a go.

isnottheword

peposhi wrote: »

A lad with an Ioniq on the Facebook EV page is having an issue with charging the car. It won't start charging... He bought it 2-3 weeks a go.

I noticed that. Will be interesting to see what is at the heart of it.

There's no doubt that the Ioniq is an advancement given its greater efficiency. However, with this being their first EV offering - and generation 1, perhaps there may be the odd issue that emerges....

n97 mini

peposhi wrote: »

A lad with an Ioniq on the Facebook EV page is having an issue with charging the car. It won't start charging... He bought it 2-3 weeks a go.

Most likely a dodgy cable.

unkel

Ioniq expected to have low depreciation / high residual value

Linky