Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

stesaurus

unkel wrote: »

Well the Hyundai Alexa skill was from last November, so they were hardly very far behind



Jaysus, I'd never have thought of doing that. I take it the BMW has a built in sim card and you have a data subscription? Ioniq doesn't have that, but it does have wifi (I think?) and you can use your smartphone as an access point. That way the Ioniq updates the real time traffic alerts etc.

I think I'll sit back and relax and wait till someone else has done all the hard work with an Ioniq before sticking an Echo Dot in my car though

Ioniq doesn't have a sim? Even the Leaf has one I think.

i3 has it's own paid for data plan. Think Cros13 has turned his into a mobile hotspot essentially.

There was someone on FB group tinkering around with building up a list of commands for the ioniq in order to create an app essentially. So eventually if Hyundai don't provide it someone else will

n97 mini

bk wrote: »

In fairness I doubt anyone who can afford a €30k car can't also afford €50 for an echo dot!

Why would you buy something that's permanently stuck to a socket in your house? Your mobile phone goes everywhere, and you already have one!

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHPk5dWg7Q

Bloody women.

30 degrees and she still wears a hat, coat, scarf, and gloves!

Water John

Its Farenheit, -1.5C. America.

unkel

n97 mini wrote: »

Why would you buy something that's permanently stuck to a socket in your house?

Or to your car

Kids would love to have an Echo dot in the car. I'll look into it when I get the Ioniq. I've unlimited data on my phone these days, so surely some sort of solution between the Ioniq, my phone and the Echo dot should be feasible. If only for the Ioniq to automatically have real time traffic info

On the one hand I find it silly that the Ioniq doesn't have a SIM, on the other hand I could do without the massive annual bill my best mate has because his data subscription in his brand new BMW. I've enough bills to pay as it is.

I still do not want to talk to anything to send simple commands to activate heat or charging if it's not convenient to do so such as when in a public place, having to sending voice commands would be pure retarded and I'm sure rather annoying for others around me, surely there is an app option ? I also like having a website to use because I use the laptop in work.

bk

n97 mini wrote: »

Why would you buy something that's permanently stuck to a socket in your house? Your mobile phone goes everywhere, and you already have one!

I have both a Google Home and Amazon Echo.

In my experience, they are vastly more convenient to use to control internet connected devices such as lights, heating, TV, etc. and yes EV's now too, then your phone.

Just a moment ago I turned on my heating by saying:
"Hey Google, turn on heat"

Much easier then pulling the phone out of my pocket, unlocking it, look for the heating control app, launch the app, wait for it to load, turn on the heat.

It is one of those sort of things that once you used it, you realise how much more convenient it is and you never want to go back to the old way.

When smart phones first came out, I often heard people say similar things. Why buy an expensive smart phone, when your cheap Nokia can just as easily make calls and texts and has much better battery life. Well now look where we are!

Ten years from now, I suspect such voice assistants will be almost as ubiquitous.

cros13

bk wrote: »

I have both a Google Home and Amazon Echo.

I'm waiting for nvidia to launch the Spot for google home. I have four Shields in the house and I find Google's voice recognition a lot better than Amazons. Google has the advantage of being more conversational.

One of the big EV advantages is the quiet cabin for these devices to listen in. There is no way my echo dot would work in an ICE.

bk

Deleted User wrote: »

I still do not want to talk to anything to send simple commands to activate heat or charging if it's not convenient to do so such as when in a public place, having to sending voice commands would be pure retarded and I'm sure rather annoying for others around me, surely there is an app option ? I also like having a website to use because I use the laptop in work.

Of course it makes sense to have multiple options. 90% of the time * I use voice to control lights, heat, etc. while at home. However I still use the apps about 10% of the time, mostly when I'm away from home, in public as you say.

And as I mentioned above, Google's Assistant is also available via text only in Allo.

Also as I mentioned above, Hyundai seem to have a really good API, so as long as it is licensed in a fair way, then it would be very easy for a third party to create an app for it if Hyundai don't.

This is similar to Philips Hue smart lighting system. Philips has a fantastic open API, as a result, in addition to the official Hue app, there are dozens of great third party apps and it is widely integrated with Google Home, Alexa, IFTTT, Yonomi, Spotify, smartthings, Nest, Harmony, etc.

* Actually it is about 40% physical controls, 50% voice control and 10% app control.

Yeah that's all well and good when your at home or in private but in not really practical in public or in a noisy environment.

bk

cros13 wrote: »

I'm waiting for nvidia to launch the Spot for google home. I have four Shields in the house and I find Google's voice recognition a lot better than Amazons. Google has the advantage of being more conversational.

Yup I agree totally. I've got a Shield too and I'm waiting for the spot too, should allow me to extend Google Assistant into extra rooms cheaply.

bk

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah that's all well and good when your at home or in private but in not really practical in public or in a noisy environment.

Read my last post, I've dealt with that twice already!

bk

BTW for anyone interested in Home Automation stuff, Echo, Google Home, etc. Then you should check out the Home Automation forum:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1777

bk

bk wrote: »

Of course it makes sense to have multiple options.

Yeah but having voice only isn't a multiple or always convenient option !

bk

bk wrote: »

This is similar to Philips Hue smart lighting system. Philips has a fantastic open API, as a result, in addition to the official Hue app, there are dozens of great third party apps and it is widely integrated with Google Home, Alexa, IFTTT, Yonomi, Spotify, smartthings, Nest, Harmony, etc.

BTW I forgot to add to this, that the difference between Hue and Hyundai Blue Link is that Hue has been around for years, so developers have had plenty of time to build apps and new integrations. Where as Blue Link is only out a month or two, so obviously it will take a few months for the same amount of apps and integrations to be developed.

I'm sure they are coming, but people have to be patient.

But what I would like to point out is that it looks like Hyundai are building a much more solid foundation. It might take a little longer for apps to come, but it should end up with a far richer and impressive ecosystem built around their cars.

I'm much more impressed with this approach then Nissans approach of a locked down app and no public API. It might mean the app is available quicker * but unless they change, it would also mean a far less diverse ecosystem.

* A reminder that the Leaf is over 5 years old, whilst the Ioniq is just out.

Nissan focused on building an app, with a locked down API. While instead, Hyundai seem to be focused on building a public API first, with many apps to follow.

As a developer myself, I'm much more impressed with Hyundai's approach.

bk

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah but having voice only isn't a multiple or always convenient option !

Seriously dude, can you not read! For the third time:

It isn't voice only, Google Assistant in Allo is TEXT. As in you type the commands, no voice!

And Hyundai's API seems to be public so apps will definitely be coming soon.

bk

bk wrote: »

Seriously dude, can you not read! For the third time:

It isn't voice only, Google Assistant in Allo is TEXT. As in you type the commands, no voice!

And Hyundai's API seems to be public so apps will definitely be coming soon.

"Dude" ?

Water John

When Mad Lad gets some thing into his head, it can be hard to shift!!!

You might have the answer. Repeat 3 times.

Soarer

Water John wrote: »

Its Farenheit, -1.5C. America.

I was talking about in the car. Don't think even Alexa can set the temperature outside.

isnottheword

bk wrote: »

I'm much more impressed with this approach then Nissans approach of a locked down app and no public API. It might mean the app is available quicker * but unless they change, it would also mean a far less diverse ecosystem.

* A reminder that the Leaf is over 5 years old, whilst the Ioniq is just out.

Nissan focused on building an app, with a locked down API. While instead, Hyundai seem to be focused on building a public API first, with many apps to follow.

As a developer myself, I'm much more impressed with Hyundai's approach.

Can't argue with what you've said. However, people have to bear in mind product life cycles. Nissan were first mover in the market - and will sweat their existing production infrastructure to try and recoup a return on the Leaf.

Due to competition in the marketplace, that leaves them currently off the pace. Hyundai's offering would seem to be much more progressive. However, things go in cycles. That's the situation today. Perhaps Nissan will get their mojo back and remain competitive by way of the next iteration or a brand new platform. Then again, perhaps they won't - OR - it could be another market entrant takes pole position, who knows....

In rapidly developing markets, who knows what flavour of the month will be on the cards next...

bk

isnottheword wrote: »

Due to competition in the marketplace, that leaves them currently off the pace. Hyundai's offering would seem to be much more progressive. However, things go in cycles. That's the situation today. Perhaps Nissan will get their mojo back and remain competitive by way of the next iteration or a brand new platform. Then again, perhaps they won't - OR - it could be another market entrant takes pole position, who knows....

Absolutely agree 100%, very well said. For the health of the EV market I hope we have many companies bringing out great and competitive products.

cros13

On the infotainment / connected services side I know Nissan has had issues recruiting. Not offering a competitive enough wages / clashes with the culture of the rest of the company.

Hyundai set up several "innovation centers" and are doing much better on that front.

cros13

Ioniq Plug-in got it's Korean launch on the 27th:

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2017/02/27/0200000000AEN20170227002751320.html

http://www.hyundai.com/kr/showroom.do?carCd1=RD033&WT.ac=direct_carkind_ioniqplugin

44.5kW electric motor
105 PS 1.6 GDi combustion motor
46km range in electric on the korean cycle (BEV gets 206km on this cycle... so not far off EPA numbers)
4.87km/l once the battery is down

Announced prices are a slight bit lower than expected.

Shefwedfan

Just wondering is anyone getting any sort of discount off these? or is it just list price and work from there? Thanks

thelikelylad

Are there only white left in stock here at the moment? I'm quite interested but I'm not too gone on white - could be tempted though :rolleyes: Anyone know of the current waiting times from order to delivery for other colours? I read in another forum that a guy in the UK was told to expect June delivery.

Seriously considering the buy a banger approach to get the €4k scrappage bonus but might be stretched for time now if it's actually ending next week. I guess they'll offer the scrappage bonus again for 172 plates like last year anyway.

Shefwedfan

thelikelylad wrote: »

Are there only white left in stock here at the moment? I'm quite interested but I'm not too gone on white - could be tempted though :rolleyes: Anyone know of the current waiting times from order to delivery for other colours? I read in another forum that a guy in the UK was told to expect June delivery.

Seriously considering the buy a banger approach to get the €4k scrappage bonus but might be stretched for time now if it's actually ending next week. I guess they'll offer the scrappage bonus again for 172 plates like last year anyway.

It is only white, I talked to garage and no colours available.

Said it would be potentially 6 months for colour....

unkel

Waiting times for the UK can be very long for people ordering the Premium SE spec (we don't get that) and still at least 2 months for the normal SE spec. And sale is starting in the US in a few weeks time, which will put massive additional pressure on the production capacity in South Korea, so could be even longer. Grand for people who have bought already because this will minimise depreciation. Not so nice for people ready to buy now who will have to wait...

If got full scrappage and a very nice discount in mid January (hope to have delivery later this month), but if I were a dealer right now, I wouldn't feel the need to give anything off. But I'm just speculating here, YMMV

If you're interested in doing a deal, I'd advise to not negotiate until you are ready to do the deal and pay the deposit there and then (and let the dealer know this). It's the only way to get the best possible discount.

There are a few white (non-metallic) cars in the country that you can do a deal on, but for me solid white is suitable for vans only

listermint

White is a good looking car subtle tint on Windows and have the silver grille sprayed in a nice black and will look like this rather than the grey grille colour.

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Said it would be potentially 6 months for colour....

Jaysus. Could they not be a bit more firm on a date? Or were they trying to push a white car do you think (so they had an agenda)?

thelikelylad

Yeah I'm starting to think I'm too late to the party at this stage, I should have been all over this back in January.

If I could get the full €4k scrappage bonus then I'd most likely go for it, in white even :eek:. But yeah, I'd need to source a banger first :P and then that's hoping the dealer would accept it. Did you mention previously unkel that some dealers wanted the trade-in to be tax'd and nct'd etc. while others didn't care? My main car at the moment is worth about 8k I guess but I'd rather sell that privately later on and get a banger for the scrappage.

listermint wrote: »

White is a good looking car subtle tint on Windows and have the silver grille sprayed in a nice black and will look like this rather than the grey grille colour.

The black trim on the hybrid looks better alright IMO. What's the story with the alloys, is there a choice or is it something to negotiate with the dealer? I've seen a black Ioniq electric with the alloys as seen on the hybrid in that pic but then at the weekend I saw a white Ioniq electric in the forecourt with these wheels with the white finish on them. The rims on the hybrid look far better I think.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

Jaysus. Could they not be a bit more firm on a date? Or were they trying to push a white car do you think (so they had an agenda)?

I think there was clear agenda, no firm dates, when I discussed trade in, it was said they couldn't hold trade in value for potentially 6 months while I waited for delivery....so buy now and try and negotiate a deal more or less.....

Trying to get over to another garage tomorrow for there view of the World

I actually don't mind the white so not a big issue. If I get the right price I would probably fire ahead with white

Also if I want the freebie insurance/service I need to order now

unkel

thelikelylad wrote: »

I'd need to source a banger first :P and then that's hoping the dealer would accept it. Did you mention previously unkel that some dealers wanted the trade-in to be tax'd and nct'd etc. while others didn't care?

Officially, I think it has to be taxed, nct'd and owned by you for a certain length of time and maybe even more t&c, I think it was mentioned in this thread somewhere, but very few dealers checked this with me. Some demanded to see the car and inspect it, others couldn't care less and were ready to do a deal (over the phone / email)

Scrappage ends in a week or so - check out the Hyundai website. They've said this before and renewed it, but I wouldn't be as confident as before that they will do that again.

Soarer

Here's one for ye, just thinking out loud like.

What would happen if you bought a banger tomorrow, but backdated the sale date by a few months? Would the logbook reflect that, or is the date when it arrives in Shannon?

listermint

Soarer wrote: »

Here's one for ye, just thinking out loud like.

What would happen if you bought a banger tomorrow, but backdated the sale date by a few months? Would the logbook reflect that, or is the date when it arrives in Shannon?

Date of when it arrives I would assume. I don't think they can or would back date ownership

thelikelylad

unkel wrote: »

Officially, I think it has to be taxed, nct'd and owned by you for a certain length of time and maybe even more t&c, I think it was mentioned in this thread somewhere, but very few dealers checked this with me. Some demanded to see the car and inspect it, others couldn't care less and were ready to do a deal (over the phone / email)

Just looking at the T&C's there:

Qualifying trade-in vehicles must:
- be registered in the Republic of Ireland for at least 1 year.
- have valid NCT and road tax certificates.
- be currently insured and have been previously insured 4 months prior to trade-in.

Looks like if I can get something with tax and nct in my own name (before Mar 16th) then I might be in luck.

Water John

The NCT on mine was out last year, for the Leaf. Don't think that would be an issue.

unkel

You mightn't even need it. Why don't you "make up" a car / banger with no tax / nct or any of the above and ring a few dealers? Chances are they don't care about your car. If not, just buy a €50 banger and use that.

Alu

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It is only white, I talked to garage and no colours available.

Said it would be potentially 6 months for colour....

Was told much the same, guess I left it too late..

Also found the Hyundai dealers I tried weren't giving me great deals (trading in a 2010 Prius) in comparison to Toyota for a new or even used hybrid Auris or Prius.

I'd go mad if I had to wait 2 months never mind 6 months, that's madness.

At that rate you'd be better off waiting for Leaf II or whatever they're calling it and the larger Ioniq battery in 2018. Who knows all this might even be available in the late Summer or Autumn and it's March already . :eek:

grogi

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd go mad if I had to wait 2 months never mind 6 months, that's madness.

At that rate you'd be better off waiting for Leaf II or whatever they're calling it and the larger Ioniq battery in 2018. Who knows all this might even be available in the late Summer or Autumn and it's March already . :eek:

You clearly never wanted a Skoda At some stage the waiting time was reaching 9 months...

Water John

If much of new car sales moved to pre-ordering, it should reduce the price a good bit.
I would have no problem waiting 3 months for a new car, to my spec.

thelikelylad

Well +1 more Ioniq on the road. Didn't go down the scrappage route in the end. Went for white, should take delivery next week or the week after. Can not wait ðŸ˜

Just FYI looks like there's a batch of black models due at the end of April. All other colours end of May.

Shefwedfan

Just wondering has anyone seen a picture of inside of black Ioniq? Is the material on seats any different in colour?

Not sure about the bronze in the seats

thelikelylad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just wondering has anyone seen a picture of inside of black Ioniq? Is the material on seats any different in colour?

Not sure about the bronze in the seats

A guy I know has a black Ioniq, the seats have the same bronze/copper textile pattern. The pattern seats and the white alloys(on white models) are the only things that I'm not too gone on - That said I found the seats to be reasonably comfortable so I'll get over it. The hybrid has plain black seats which are far nicer IMO.

Shefwedfan

thelikelylad wrote: »

A guy I know has a black Ioniq, the seats have the same bronze/copper textile pattern. The pattern seats and the white alloys(on white models) are the only things that I'm not too gone on - That said I found the seats to be reasonably comfortable so I'll get over it. The hybrid has plain black seats which are far nicer IMO.

Sat in Hybrid today, they had swapped the seats to black leather. Cost was 2k....was very nice

KCross

Has anyone done a long motorway journey in an Ioniq BEV yet?

Say, Cork-Dublin, driving at the full 120kmh?
I'd be keen to see the stats on that.

thelikelylad

KCross wrote: »

Has anyone done a long motorway journey in an Ioniq BEV yet?

Say, Cork-Dublin, driving at the full 120kmh?
I'd be keen to see the stats on that.

Someone on the Irish EV Owners FB group did Fota Island -> Dublin with a stop in Ballycolla last weekend.

They averaged ~110kmh for the first 100km and then slowed to ~105kmh arriving at the Ballycolla FCP with 28km in the tank. They charged up to 95% (183km indicated) in 35 mins at the FCP and arrived in Dublin with 67km left after averaging 120kmh from Ballycolla.

I'm planning on doing Cork -> Ikea in a couple of weeks when I get mine. I will try 115-120kmh with one stop in Urlingford which seems to be roughly half way. Efficiency could take a hit on the way back depending how much cargo we pick up :rolleyes:

JohnnyB23

Hi Folks,
I've been reading a few of these EV threads and I'm quite taken with the idea of getting an EV. My two concerns about buying an EV are...

1) Would a Hyundai Ioniq have enough poke. I guess the only way to get a satisfactory answer to this is to get a test drive.

2) Maintaince and repairs, do I have to go to main dealership to find somebody who is able to fix the car. And are repairs to EV's wildly more expensive because they are relatively new to the Irish market?

liamog

JohnnyB23 wrote: »

Hi Folks,
I've been reading a few of these EV threads and I'm quite taken with the idea of getting an EV. My two concerns about buying an EV are...

1) Would a Hyundai Ioniq have enough poke. I guess the only way to get a satisfactory answer to this is to get a test drive.

2) Maintaince and repairs, do I have to go to main dealership to find somebody who is able to fix the car. And are repairs to EV's wildly more expensive because they are relatively new to the Irish market?

If you take a test drive and your testing it's performance, make sure you "double tap" the accelerator. It has a hold at about 80%, the extra bit gives it a great burst acceleration.

cros13

JohnnyB23 wrote: »

1) Would a Hyundai Ioniq have enough poke. I guess the only way to get a satisfactory answer to this is to get a test drive.

EVs generally have better performance per hp than combustion cars. The Ioniq has an 88kW motor (~120-125hp). It will get you to 100km/h in under 10 seconds.

JohnnyB23 wrote: »

2) Maintaince and repairs, do I have to go to main dealership to find somebody who is able to fix the car. And are repairs to EV's wildly more expensive because they are relatively new to the Irish market?

The powertrain (incl. battery capacity) warranty is 8 years / 200,000km. To maintain this you'll have to have an annual inspection at a hyundai dealership. Maintenance on EVs is much less than combustion vehicles, the motor has one moving part.