Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

thelikelylad

JohnnyB23 wrote: »

Hi Folks,
1) Would a Hyundai Ioniq have enough poke. I guess the only way to get a satisfactory answer to this is to get a test drive.

This will be my first EV and the drive sold it for me really - definitely take one for a test drive. I've been in Leaf's before and was always impressed by the instant torque but Sport mode in the Ioniq took me by surprise. I'm coming from a 140bhp 2.2 diesel which I would say has sufficient poke and was very satisfied with the Ioniq in that regard. Now it's not going to have the same kind of pull as the diesel for overtaking at 100kmh+ but I found it to be a nice stable cruiser on the motorway and nice and nippy around town. It did feel a bit sluggish in eco mode on an incline but I guess that's eco mode doing it's thing.

slave1

@unkel, any sign of your baby?

BoatMad

thelikelylad wrote: »

Someone on the Irish EV Owners FB group did Fota Island -> Dublin with a stop in Ballycolla last weekend.

They averaged ~110kmh for the first 100km and then slowed to ~105kmh arriving at the Ballycolla FCP with 28km in the tank. They charged up to 95% (183km indicated) in 35 mins at the FCP and arrived in Dublin with 67km left after averaging 120kmh from Ballycolla.

I'm planning on doing Cork -> Ikea in a couple of weeks when I get mine. I will try 115-120kmh with one stop in Urlingford which seems to be roughly half way. Efficiency could take a hit on the way back depending how much cargo we pick up :rolleyes:

Hmm, about 95 km from ballycolla, 30 kwh leaf would do it at 120kmph, but wouldn't have a lot left at that point . Thats very good going at 120kmh

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

@unkel, any sign of your baby?

Ha! Hopefully before the end of the month. It won't be my baby though, I've already got 4 women in my life and a Porsche. 5 babies is enough for me

liamog

Seems we have a problem with the onboard charger, we mainly fast charge but have tried to do slow charges each weekend.

Will be giving the garage a call in the morning. I'll keep you posted.

KCross

liamog wrote: »

Seems we have a problem with the onboard charger, we mainly fast charge but have tried to do slow charges each weekend.

Will be giving the garage a call in the morning. I'll keep you posted.

What are the symptoms? Does it do nothing or does it start but only partially charge?

Have you tried a different cable and a different charge point because it could be the car, the cable or the EVSE?

liamog

KCross wrote: »

What are the symptoms? Does it do nothing or does it start but only partially charge?

Have you tried a different cable and a different charge point because it could be the car, the cable or the EVSE?

Plug in at a slow charger, and come back a while later and the charging has stopped percentage has ranged from 2% to 5%.

Tried 4 different chargers at this point. I don't have a second cable to test, either way the garage will be taking a look. I believe there was one other person on the Facebook group who had a similar issue.

Mope

Hello all.

Been trying to read entire thread before posting, but just can't keep up with it due to family and work (even writing this post took me 3 attempts) 🀓ðŸ˜႒ Started from page 51, went all the way to mid 60... Don't like to post questions which were already answered, but if I do please don't get angry 😊

Loved the car the moment I drove it! We were (mark the word) in the market for family/commute car and tried likes of Leaf, Octavia, Focus, C-Max, Seat Leon ST and Ioniq of course.

Got my deposit done today for Platinum Silver Ioniq which I hope to drive away before Easter.

Don't know why but I don't have or feel excitement as of yet, maybe due to wait time...
Wanted Aurora Silver initially, but it (amongst rest of colours) available only by October. I cannot wait that long for a car.

I hope to finish reading rest of post in couple of days 🀓

Mope

Mope wrote: »

Been trying to read entire thread before posting, but just can't keep up with it due to family and work (even writing this post took me 3 attempts) 🀓ðŸ˜႒ Started from page 51, went all the way to mid 60... Don't like to post questions which were already answered, but if I do please don't get angry 😊

I feel you pain, I went to considerable effort to make a good honest review of the Ioniq after nearly 300 Kms Total test drive and went to the trouble of writing up the review and posting it when Boards.ie decided to merge it with this thread and destroy it. I was very very pissed they did this and it's not right, I created a new thread which would have made a lot of useful information a lot easier to find than burying it in 70 odd pages of another thread.

Mope wrote: »

Loved the car the moment I drove it! We were (mark the word) in the market for family/commute car and tried likes of Leaf, Octavia, Focus, C-Max, Seat Leon ST and Ioniq of course.

Got my deposit done today for Platinum Silver Ioniq which I hope to drive away before Easter.

Don't know why but I don't have or feel excitement as of yet, maybe due to wait time...
Wanted Aurora Silver initially, but it (amongst rest of colours) available only by October. I cannot wait that long for a car.

I hope to finish reading rest of post in couple of days 🀓

You will love it, it's a great car, charges fast from the fast chargers and you should get a good 170 kms range in winter. Possibly more in winter.

You will never get bored driving an EV especially when you realise you can drive it pretty hard and it cost very little to run, way less than even the most efficient Diesel which will usually be smaller and a lot slower and still cost much more to run.

I still love driving the Leaf after just over 2 years and 62,000 kms.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

You will love it, it's a great car, charges fast from the fast chargers and you should get a good 170 kms range in winter. Possibly more in winter.

Several owners in the Netherlands have been reporting to average 200km per charge in the last 2 months. And it's a lot colder over there than it is here in winter! Also Bjørn Nyland reported about / almost 200km in -5 to -10 temps in atrocious winter conditions in Norway with freezing rain and snow on the roads.

unkel

Pretty decent review of the Ioniq, with emphasis on how it drives, and they drive it on a bit, which is refreshing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY3KnZq9NzM

unkel

And I don't understand Slovak, but in the below they drive it for 950km and average 11.7kWh/km, so an implied average range of 240km

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6fz81cDsYk

My consumption of 15.3 Kwh/100 Kms over what was it again, 207 Kms ? would suggest that 183 Kms would be more accurate so I'll correct that 170 Kms figure, however you'd probably want to be plugged in at that point.

I was driving 100-110 Kph, started about 10 deg C IIRC, wet roads, strong breeze for the first 60 odd Kms, then got to dry roads for the rest of the trip but still breezy.

I'd imagine winds would have a greater effect on range than cold, wind and wet roads. So perhaps colder weather isn't as bad in the Ioniq. The car was not pre heated.

Mope

I'm coming to this car after owning, if I'm not mistaken 4 or 5 Subaru cars... So I was very pleased with how Ioniq is responding to wheel input. Sport mode was a joy as well.

Re your post - could you point towards it? Would like to read it.

Re some stickies - are they coming out any time soon as i read so much info on charging, chargers, kW and etc that in order to understand them all clearly you need some sort of cheat book.

Could we not create a thread something like IONIQ guide + tips and tricks?

I'm totally alien with electrical stuff, so all abbreviations take time to sink in.

thelikelylad

How long does it normally take for grant approval from the SEAI?

Dealer said about a week but they seem to be a bit flakey - I'm not even sure they applied when they said they did.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

I was driving 100-110 Kph, started about 10 deg C IIRC, wet roads, strong breeze

Strong headwind would make a massive difference!!!

At not much wind the Ioniq at 110km/h uses 14kW, so has a range of 220km (several people have reported this)

with just a 27km/h head wind (wind force 4), driving at 110km/h, it's the same as driving the car at 137km/h, and consumption is 26kW*, so range of less than 150km

*see the other clip from the same youtuber from Slovakia where he drives at 137km/h. The speedo apparently is very accurate

11.7 Kwh/100 Kms ? no a chance in hell, not in normal driving. That would be like me saying my leaf gets 13 kwh/100 kms, yes it sure does, but not in what I call normal driving.

unkel

thelikelylad wrote: »

How long does it normally take for grant approval from the SEAI?

Mine was very quick. Days rather than weeks. But my dealer was on the ball, and proactive. Pushing for a quick approval. Same for the approval for the free EV charging point. I had approval within a week or so, but then it took the subcontractor a good 4-5 weeks to install it.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

11.7 Kwh/100 Kms ? no a chance in hell, not in normal driving.

Proof is in the clip. Also, you do remember they drove it for 354km on motorways around Seoul keeping up with the other traffic before the warning came on (so battery not dead yet)?

That's averaging an incredible 7.9kWh/100km

Mope

unkel wrote: »

Mine was very quick. Days rather than weeks. But my dealer was on the ball, and proactive. Pushing for a quick approval. Same for the approval for the free EV charging point. I had approval within a week or so, but then it took the subcontractor a good 4-5 weeks to install it.

Were you ringing them to check in on how are they doing? Like "hi, could you let me know at what stage is my car and/or ESB charging point in the process"?

Or you happen to get on VERY professional lad who just took care of everything for you without you reminding him?

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Strong headwind would make a massive difference!!!

At not much wind the Ioniq at 110km/h uses 14kW, so has a range of 220km (several people have reported this)

with just a 27km/h head wind (wind force 4), driving at 110km/h, it's the same as driving the car at 137km/h, and consumption is 26kW*, so range of less than 150km

*see the other clip from the same youtuber from Slovakia where he drives at 137km/h. The speedo apparently is very accurate

I think my 15.3 Kwh/100 kwh was more in line with the EPA and I'd trust that more than some hypermilers.

I've nothing against the Ioniq but I don't want people reading this thinking they got a comfortable 200 Km range EV because that was not my experience however, as I keep pointing out, the real revelation is not the ioniq's efficiency but it's fast charging. So good distances are not hard to cover. 300 Kms should be do-a-ble with a 30 odd min charge.

unkel

Mope wrote: »

Were you ringing them to check in on how are they doing? Like "hi, could you let me know at what stage is my car and/or ESB charging point in the process"?

Or you happen to get on VERY professional lad who just took care of everything for you without you reminding him?

Car - dealer will do all this themselves. Ring them every couple of days to make sure there are no delays. It's in their interest to get the grant, as you will be paying net-of-grant. Much better than in the olden days when you had to apply for an SEAI grant yourself and then you got the money back several months later...

Charge point - you need the grant number for your car (from the dealer) and the dealer code (basically their customer number with the SEAI). You can do the rest online yourself. Get on this ASAP as the free chargers are running out soon!!!

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

I've nothing against the Ioniq but I don't want people reading this thinking they got a comfortable 200 Km range EV because that was not my experience however

I've no intention to even get 150km range from my Ioniq

Your experience was not normal because of the strong winds though. That will make it almost impossible to compare with other people's experiences (and there are many, many to be found online, take my word for it and look at the links that I alone have posted in this thread alone)

Most people driving like they drive any normal car will easily average around 200km in their Ioniq over the year if they don't go over the posted speed limits, I have no doubt about that. Possibly a lot more than that. A yearly average is obviously just that. Have a bad trip in winter with heavy headwind and you might only get 150km. Drive like me and you might only get 100km Drive like they did in South Korea and you might get 350km...

Mope

unkel wrote: »

Car - dealer will do all this themselves. Ring them every couple of days to make sure there are no delays. It's in their interest to get the grant, as you will be paying net-of-grant. Much better than in the olden days when you had to apply for an SEAI grant yourself and then you got the money back several months later...

Charge point - you need the grant number for your car (from the dealer) and the dealer code (basically their customer number with the SEAI). You can do the rest online yourself. Get on this ASAP as the free chargers are running out soon!!!

I am sorry - I can or I should do the 2nd bit instead waiting for Garage to do it?
Did you get 32kW charging station or stick with 16? (pardon if I used incorrect numbers and abbreviations all together) :rolleyes:

unkel

You should do the second bit. It's online:

linky

See my big thread about home installation. Free installation is 16A. This is what I did, asking them to use 32A cable that I provided (cost €15 delivered). They install a 16A charger that can be flashed to 32A. Also they install a 16A RMBO. You can buy a 32A / 40A RMBO for about €25 delivered. So you need to flash the unit and then pay a registered electrician to replace the RMBO (2 minute job)

Or just stick with the free 16A installation. Or pay the installer $$$ to do a 32A install. For me an important aspect of owning an EV is about saving money, so I need to do everything within a tight budget

cros13

With all of my vehicles the dealer handled both the grant application and the chargepoint application.

The problem is it takes a while for dealers to figure out what they need to do when they first start selling EVs and often they initially oly start the paperwork when the car arrives.

For my i3 for example... as soon as the VIN was assigned at the factory the grant paperwork was in. which meant no delays for delivery 2-3 weeks later (not exactly true... had some issues taxing the car and it had to be done manually.... on the plus side my reg wasn't in PULSE for over a year... which saved me a lot of fixed penalty notices for speeding).

Mope

unkel wrote: »

You should do the second bit. It's online:

linky

See my big thread about home installation. Free installation is 16A. This is what I did, asking them to use 32A cable that I provided (cost €15 delivered). They install a 16A charger that can be flashed to 32A. Also they install a 16A RMBO. You can buy a 32A / 40A RMBO for about €25 delivered. So you need to flash the unit and then pay a registered electrician to replace the RMBO (2 minute job)

Or just stick with the free 16A installation. Or pay the installer $$$ to do a 32A install. For me an important aspect of owning an EV is about saving money, so I need to do everything within a tight budget

I will most likely leave everything in capable (I hope) hands of dealer, do not want to interfere.

As for charger will go with standard 16A for now. If I am not mistaken reading above it is 25 + 15 Eur for equipment and something to the spark to actually install/change/replace 16A to 32A?

unkel

If the installer uses your cable (costs €15 to buy your own, incl. shipping)) then an electrician will just have to fit a part that will cost you €25 incl. shipping and is a 2 minute job

The unit will also have to be flashed. Which I'm not sure any electrician can / will do, but it can be done DIY and hopefully we'll get a guide up. You'll need a tool for this too which costs €5 incl. shipping, so €45 in total plus an electrician call out rate to turn your free 16A into a 32A charging point

Just saw a white Ioniq EV parked outside one of the schools in Adamstown here. Anyone on here?

Fiery mutant

Deleted User wrote: »

11.7 Kwh/100 Kms ? no a chance in hell, not in normal driving. That would be like me saying my leaf gets 13 kwh/100 kms, yes it sure does, but not in what I call normal driving.

Definitely a chance in hell. I've gotten 11.4kwh/100kms, and expect it to go lower as the weather improves.

unkel

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Definitely a chance in hell. I've gotten 11.4kwh/100kms, and expect it to go lower as the weather improves.

That's 250km. In winter that is very good, you must have a fairly light foot

I too would expect many, many people world wide will average 240km or so in the Ioniq EV over a full year

The main exceptions will be in extreme cold (Nordic countries in winter), people that do max acceleration all the time, people who consistently / mostly drive faster than 110km/h or so and of course freaky weather with strong winds)

I haven't seen a lot of evidence yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if people who do mainly city area travel well under 100km/h in mild climates would average more like 280-300km

Mope

unkel wrote: »

If the installer uses your cable (costs €15 to buy your own, incl. shipping)) then an electrician will just have to fit a part that will cost you €25 incl. shipping and is a 2 minute job

The unit will also have to be flashed. Which I'm not sure any electrician can / will do, but it can be done DIY and hopefully we'll get a guide up. You'll need a tool for this too which costs €5 incl. shipping, so €45 in total plus an electrician call out rate to turn your free 16A into a 32A charging point

Just saw a white Ioniq EV parked outside one of the schools in Adamstown here. Anyone on here?

Cable which will be used to connect my free 16A point to my house will not require replacement when I will change to 32A?

All sounds good, looks like there is no panic to get 16A and later upgrade if needs be. Correct?

I have to revisit your post re fitting charging point in your house.

Thanks

unkel

Mope wrote: »

Cable which will be used to connect my free 16A point to my house will not require replacement when I will change to 32A?

Yes it will!

The standard install will use cable that is only suitable for 16A, so it is very important you get them to use cable suitable for 32A (6mm2 for a short run and 10mm2 for a very long run, I guess well over 10m)

I got the 6mm2 cable myself (the €15) and the installer used that.

grogi

unkel wrote: »

Yes it will!

The standard install will use cable that is only suitable for 16A, so it is very important you get them to use cable suitable for 32A (6mm2 for a short run and 10mm2 for a very long run, I guess well over 10m)

I got the 6mm2 cable myself (the €15) and the installer used that.

Or simply use two cables...

Mope

What do you mean use two cables?

Have 16A cable connected to CP from House Circuit and 32A laid down beside waiting for upgrade of CP to compatible chip/brain?

grogi

Mope wrote: »

What do you mean use two cables?

Have 16A cable connected to CP from House Circuit and 32A laid down beside waiting for upgrade of CP to compatible chip/brain?

Two pairs of 4sq.

Water John

If you at any stage intend upgrading to 32A, just provide the cable either 6 or 10sq for the installer to use.

unkel

That's what I did. Took me some convincing the installer to do that free of charge though! I provided the 6mm2 cable, he had to use bigger ducts than for the standard 4mm2 cable.

Water John

Yeah, there might be a bit of grumbling, turn a deaf ear. On the other hand, he won't have to supply any cable.
If he gave me a reasonable quote, he would have got my second connection job.

In theory the standard 4mm2 cable should suffice no ?

Mope

It is easy for you, local guys, to discuss such matters with contractors :-) (turning deaf ear and etc) It is different, however, for likes of me :-) I have no to very little clue about Electric stuff so to me even 4mm2, 6mm2 is bird talk. I assume (from looking at Google Images) it's how many wires are inside the cable and 2 stands for something as well. I already gathered that I need 6mm2 and you can get it bought to cut or in set amount of meters. I need to get one of those and have it ready before ESB fitter is at my house.

So it goes in this order:

1) 32A compatible - 6mm2 cable. Any links to the actual, good, well known cable I can buy online or somewhere in North Dublin or Tallaght area? As for ducting? (is this how you call it), the little plastic thing you put cable in when you route it along the wall, respectful electrician should have enough of this to get my cable routed or I need to get what I'd like along with 32A compatible cable?

2) Free of charge ESB CP (Charging Point) is compatible with 32A, but needs Flashing or I need to get a different CP if I want to avail of faster charging? Flashing thing isn't really something legal either, is it?
2a) if I don't get it now and 16A CP is installed I can use it now with no problem with 3.3kW charge
2b) if I buy 32A CP (if I need it depending on answer to point "2" and present it to ESB installer - additional money will most likely be asked as it is not standard install?

3) Anything I miss?

For now all I do is gather info re 32A charging point and I know I already need 32A compatible cable to get fitter from wall to CP to "future proof".

I am sorry to repeat questions as I definitely saw it somewhere in discussion, but entire detailed picture of how things work is still a mystery to me. I just hope there would be a Guide or manual for dummies like me :S

slave1

6mm2 is six millimetres square cable and the cheapest place is your local electrical wholesaler.
Sounds like you will be installing outside so you will need armoured cable, its called SWA, steel wire armoured, it's quite thick so generally you need to tell them how many meters you want and in advance as they will need to cut it from a large reel for you.
If you are running outside you will be better off with a single run of SWA the entire length even if some of the run is inside.
SWA will not require ducting normally (unless you have a "I know everything" neighbour like me!!).
If your run of cable is less than 20m then 6mm2 is fine, longer than 20m then 10mm2 which is much thicker.
I've put in a 11m run of 6mm2 for my charge point and it cost me €30 something so it's not that expensive...

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

In theory the standard 4mm2 cable should suffice no ?

Not for 32A. Probably be fine for a wee while, but I've no doubt it would be heating up and be dangerous during prolonged use (like charging up an EV)

6mm2 for a short run of a few meters
10mm2 for a longer run

Is what you need. I guess your install is only 4mm2?

Edit - busy in this thread this morning

KCross

Mope wrote: »

It is easy for you, local guys, to discuss such matters with contractors :-) (turning deaf ear and etc) It is different, however, for likes of me :-) I have no to very little clue about Electric stuff so to me even 4mm2, 6mm2 is bird talk. I assume (from looking at Google Images) it's how many wires are inside the cable and 2 stands for something as well. I already gathered that I need 6mm2 and you can get it bought to cut or in set amount of meters. I need to get one of those and have it ready before ESB fitter is at my house.

Respectfully, if you really have no clue it might be better just getting a contractor out and let him buy the materials. It would be better to get him to buy them than for you to buy the wrong ones!

Also, I'm unsure if you are buying a new or secondhand EV? If its new you dont need to buy anything for the chargepoint, the chargepoint and cabling and labour is free. Just ask the contractor to put in 32A capable cable so that its future proofed.

Mope

KCross, yes it is a new EV. My run is very short if any length at all and is outside. My Electric panel (where gas meter, Broadband and Electricity is) is just beside my cars, like maybe 2-3 meters away, so Im planning to install CP exactly below the panel.

The approach of - let contractor get everything is very dangerous cost wise, imo. The guy can smell very quick how bad I am with it and can quote me through the roof.

KCross

Mope wrote: »

KCross, yes it is a new EV. My run is very short if any length at all and is outside. My Electric panel (where gas meter, Broadband and Electricity is) is just beside my cars, like maybe 2-3 meters away, so Im planning to install CP exactly below the panel.

The approach of - let contractor get everything is very dangerous cost wise, imo. The guy can smell very quick how bad I am with it and can quote me through the roof.

If its a new EV the whole thing is free.

thelikelylad

unkel wrote: »

Car - dealer will do all this themselves. Ring them every couple of days to make sure there are no delays. It's in their interest to get the grant, as you will be paying net-of-grant. Much better than in the olden days when you had to apply for an SEAI grant yourself and then you got the money back several months later...

So I found out it's worthwhile to contact the SEAI too if there are delays.

As suspected the dealer was telling porkies about applying for the grant. :mad:

Mope

Is this charger compatible with Ioniq?
I see it's 32amps, but why only 22kW?

grogi

Mope wrote: »

I see it's 32amps, but why only 22kW?

P = I*V... How much power would you like to see with only 32 A?

cros13

Mope wrote: »

Is this charger compatible with Ioniq?

Yes, you can charge at the full 7.0kW that the Ioniq supports.

Mope wrote: »

I see it's 32amps, but why only 22kW?

It's 3 x 32 amps @ 400V. Three phase. 22kW is a lot of power. Your household supply is probably only 12 or 16kW and a 13A three pin plug maxes out at 3kW.

To put it another way... that socket can supply 160-170km of range per hour of charging.... but the Ioniq (like most EVs) will only take ~55-60km/hour because it's internal charger will only take power from one of the three phases presented by the socket.

A 3.3kW equipped Leaf would only take ~25km/hour
A 6.6kW equipped Leaf would only take ~50km/hour
A 7.4kW equipped i3 would only take ~60-65km/hour
A 11kW equipped i3 or Model S/X would use all phases but only 16A for ~100km/hour (the Teslas are software limited... you can charge faster by optioning "High-Amperage Charger" or upgrade your existing car online)
A 16.5kW equipped Model S/X would use all phases but only 24A for 125-130km/hour
A 16.5kW equipped Model S (pre-2016) and Renault Zoe would use all phases to get up to 170km/hour

Rough numbers but you get the idea.

grogi

cros13 wrote: »

Yes, you can charge at the full 7.0kW that the Ioniq supports.



It's 3 x 32 amps @ 400V. Three phase. 22kW is a lot of power. Your household supply is probably only ~12kW.

EEee?! Domestic three-phase supply of 230V can be compared to a single phase 400V; but you cannot multiply it again... Three phase 32A supply can provide ~ 13kW of power.