Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

KCross

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/threeinone-as-hyundai-aim-ioniq-at-buyers-of-electric-leaf-prius-hybrid-and-2017-plugin-35217850.html

Snippet.... The electric IONIQ costs €28,495 (after rebates and grants)


He gives some figures on new EV sales this year.... looking like its down from last year and Hyundai expect to sell 300 Ioniq's next year!!

isnottheword

unkel wrote: »

It's 20 months now after the '15' UK plates came out (March 2015)

Can you show me a '15' plated Leaf for €10k or thereabouts?
(without battery lease obviously)

*20 months backwards from now would leave you with a 2014 Leaf. Yes, there is one advertised on autotrader here. However, I just contacted the dealer and although the car has 6.6kW charging, someone has a deposit down on it.

It's £8799 which as of todays fx rate puts it as an asking price of €10,219.

I admit that the example I gave was toward the more optimal/optimistic end. However, such deals DO come up - if you're prepared to keep shopping, seek them out and negotiate as best you can with the seller.

[EDIT] Search links via autotrader don't seem to work. Its on the actual dealers website here => http://www.carshop.co.uk/used-car/LR14NHB?postcode=sw1a1aa&utm_campaign=visit-website-vdp&utm_medium=partner&utm_source=autotrader [/EDIT].
*corrected below

highdef

isnottheword wrote: »

20 months backwards from now would leave you with a 2014 Leaf.

Would it not be March 2015?

isnottheword

highdef wrote: »

Would it not be March 2015?

apologies - you're right of course...I stand corrected. Ok, extend my example out to 30 months then.

The point is that it's still a savage loss in value over a very short time. That example is an Acenta model with low mileage, metallic paint and 6.6 on-board charging. Does €20k get you into the entry level model in Ireland from new or the next model up?

unkel

32 months depreciation is completely different from 20 months tbh...

Most cars in the UK depreciate about 50% by the time they are 3 years old

isnottheword

unkel wrote: »

32 months depreciation is completely different from 20 months tbh...

Most cars in the UK depreciate about 50% by the time they are 3 years old

Which model was the €20k value based on?

You're quite right - there is massive depreciation on all cars in the first few years. I had thought it was greater on EV's - perhaps I'm wrong.

Either way, I wouldn't see value in buying a car within a couple of years from new. This of course is a subjective assessment and different for everyone.

unkel

isnottheword wrote: »

I had thought it was greater on EV's - perhaps I'm wrong.

A lot of people who have bought or are considering buying EV are afraid of this and it would make sense as technological progress (in range mainly) is far quicker than with ICE cars

I haven't found an awful lot of proof that EV depreciate significantly more than ICE so far though...

Obviously the subsidies must explain most of the absence of this gap

unkel

isnottheword wrote: »

Which model was the €20k value based on?

Base model Leaf, with metallic paint and 6.6kw charger. That's about the best on the road cash price you could get it for. Including all charges / discounts / negotiations.

isnottheword

unkel wrote: »

Base model Leaf, with metallic paint and 6.6kw charger. That's about the best on the road cash price you could get it for. Including all charges / discounts / negotiations.

Ok, well the example I gave is for the Acenta - which is a significant step up from the base model Visia (there are 3 Leaf models - Visia, Acenta & Tekna in the UK - which correspond with XE, SV & SVE in Ireland (I think?) ).

Does that make the comparison €25,500 + Delivery charges/fees for the new Leaf SV vs. €10.5K for the 32 month old Acenta? (both with met. paint and 6.6kW charging)....or is there an element of discounting from those prices that Nissan Ireland advertise?

unkel

Big discounts!

BoatMad

isnottheword wrote: »

Ok, well the example I gave is for the Acenta - which is a significant step up from the base model Visia (there are 3 Leaf models - Visia, Acenta & Tekna in the UK - which correspond with XE, SV & SVE in Ireland (I think?) ).

Does that make the comparison €25,500 + Delivery charges/fees for the new Leaf SV vs. €10.5K for the 32 month old Acenta? (both with met. paint and 6.6kW charging)....or is there an element of discounting from those prices that Nissan Ireland advertise?

10,5K , sounds about right , thats close to my GMFV after 35 months on a new 6.6 30 kwh 2016 Leaf

isnottheword

unkel wrote: »

Big discounts!

Ok, great. So whats the best new deal on an Acenta (SV) with 6.6kW charging?

unkel

I don't know. I was only interested in the cheapest possible monies to bring home a new 5 seater EV. Same as I would only be interested in the entry level Ioniq.

I'm not really interested in extras / upgrades that depreciate by 50-60% within a year...

BoatMad

I'm not really interested in extras / upgrades that depreciate by 50-60% within a year...

The cold pack extension to the Leaf is the best value add-on Ive ever got at 300 euro, Im happy to loose 150 euros in the year !!!

Water John

Yes my OH is delighted with that too.

cros13

BoatMad wrote: »

The cold pack extension to the Leaf is the best value add-on Ive ever got at 300 euro, Im happy to loose 150 euros in the year !!!

+1, cold pack is a smart investment. The seat heaters use 10 times less power than the cabin heater.

Seat heaters are a luxury on an ICE and an essential on an EV. I'd also consider app based remote services in the same way. If you are hooked up to a public charger you have the ability to pop into a cafe or whatever and still monitor your state of charge.

I would find it most difficult giving up pre heating, remote start of heat/ac.

A parking heater can cost up to 2K or more on an ICE car.

Fiery mutant

Ok so, I've driven both the electric and hybrid version. Seriously considering going with the electric, I like the thought of going away from petrol and diesel altogether. With the grant and €4K scrappage though, I'm getting quotes of anything up to €4K in difference between different dealers.

When we go for finance, the amounts still work out pretty much the same, about €530 a month, which has me stumped.

Anyway I have a question that some on here may be able to answe for me. I drive about 110km a day in and out to work. Which would be the better option to go for, the hybrid or the electric?

highdef

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Anyway I have a question that some on here may be able to answe for me. I drive about 110km a day in and out to work. Which would be the better option to go for, the hybrid or the electric?

Most definitely electric!

unkel

What's the cheapest quote you got for the car on the road (and with which extras)?

Fiery mutant

Cheapest quote I got, after grant and scrappage, was €25750. Highest I got was €30500.

denismc

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Cheapest quote I got, after grant and scrappage, was €25750. Highest I got was €30500.

That is a huge difference, it pays to shop around.
Do you mind me asking who gave the best qoute?

KCross

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Cheapest quote I got, after grant and scrappage, was €25750. Highest I got was €30500.

That just looks like he forgot to subtract the grant and that there is really only €250 between them.

The only other explanation is that he doesnt want to sell it!

unkel

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Cheapest quote I got, after grant and scrappage, was €25750. Highest I got was €30500.

Any extras in that like metallic paint? Did you negotiate (hard) or was it just an email request for best price?

Fiery mutant

denismc wrote: »

That is a huge difference, it pays to shop around.
Do you mind me asking who gave the best qoute?

Fitzpatricks in Naas gave me the cheap one. The higher one, when you walk into the showroom, the price they have on the ticket is €39500. After talking to the other dealers, I called them back and told them the difference, they basically said they can't explain it and there is nothing they could do.

Fiery mutant

unkel wrote: »

Any extras in that like metallic paint? Did you negotiate (hard) or was it just an email request for best price?

Metallic paint in both prices. I didn't push too hard with either, but when told the price difference, the higher dealer said there is nothing they could do.

dpjmie

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Fitzpatricks in Naas gave me the cheap one. The higher one, when you walk into the showroom, the price they have on the ticket is €39500. After talking to the other dealers, I called them back and told them the difference, they basically said they can't explain it and there is nothing they could do.

I'm not sure if i missed it earlier but is the cheaper quote for the Hybrid?

Thanks in advance,

Dpjmie

dpjmie

The UK purchase price for the Hybrid is £19,950 and converted to €€€ that is just over €23k. Does anyone know what the Vrt would be like on them? I have checked out ROS.IE but you need a Reg to Get the VRT....?

Thanks in advance,

Dpjmie

Fiery mutant

dpjmie wrote: »

I'm not sure if i missed it earlier but is the cheaper quote for the Hybrid?

Thanks in advance,

Dpjmie

No, both prices are for the electric.

Soarer

dpjmie wrote: »

The UK purchase price for the Hybrid is £19,950 and converted to €€€ that is just over €23k. Does anyone know what the Vrt would be like on them? I have checked out ROS.IE but you need a Reg to Get the VRT....?

Thanks in advance,

Dpjmie

There is no VRT.

But because the car is new, you'd be charged VAT.

Soarer

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Fitzpatricks in Naas gave me the cheap one. The higher one, when you walk into the showroom, the price they have on the ticket is €39500. After talking to the other dealers, I called them back and told them the difference, they basically said they can't explain it and there is nothing they could do.

The guy with the high price is way off!

Hyundai's own website gives an RRP of €29450, and a post scrappage price of €25450, exc. metallic.

As I was saying about Hyundai planning more range.

Would you really buy now ?

http://www.autonews.com/article/20161114/OEM03/311149967/hyundai-plans-long-range-ioniq

unkel

Meh. If that's gonna cost €5k more, they can keep it.

5k ?

Water John

Looks like that the way most will go. A range of batteries sizes. You pick your distance.

grogi

Deleted User wrote: »

As I was saying about Hyundai planning more range.

Would you really buy now ?

http://www.autonews.com/article/20161114/OEM03/311149967/hyundai-plans-long-range-ioniq

There always will be something coming out next year...

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

5k ?

Just making the figure up, but the cheapest 30kw Leaf is €5.5k more than the cheapest 24kw Leaf, so I can imagine it will be similar enough...

Who knows.

And yes, there will always be something better but as I said, the next year is going to bring big changes not small.

grogi

Deleted User wrote: »

Who knows.

And yes, there will always be something better but as I said, the next year is going to bring big changes not small.

Big changes, which will not come cheap. If particular range suits the typical commuting pattern, I would buy now - like 2017 now...

Who knows what the cost will be, If It were I and I was buying right now I'd choose the 40 Kwh Zoe.

They might still offer more range for the same money.

Depends on what someone's preference and needs are.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Who knows what the cost will be, If It were I and I was buying right now I'd choose the 40 Kwh Zoe.

You obviously don't have a family of 5

unkel

unkel wrote: »

You obviously don't have a family of 5

No 4, but the Ioniq wouldn't be that great for 5 either, though that depends on the age, needs etc.

I'd even class the Leaf a bit small , the boot is a pain.

unkel

Boot not important, we're well past the stage of buggies

3 kids in the back that would be the size of adults in about 5 years time (when I would probably still have the car) would be an issue. Particularly as they are already used to big, luxurious and comfortable cars. I guess we should all go for a test drive...

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Boot not important, we're well past the stage of buggies

3 kids in the back that would be the size of adults in about 5 years time (when I would probably still have the car) would be an issue. Particularly as they are already used to big, luxurious and comfortable cars. I guess we should all go for a test drive...

I've a 2.5 and 11 month old, so the leaf Boot is tight, too tight. I want an estate EV.

We got an Icandy buggy/pram that we attach a buggy board to so we get away without having a separate buggy for the 2.5 year old. But the boot is really an awkward shape.

We take the diesel Estate for most of the longer trips. The extra boot space is a pleasure, not having to take something out to get at something else.

Unfortunately there doesn't look like there'll be a larger than a hatch, reasonably affordable EV until after 2020.

The boot in the Ioniq looks like it's a lot less awkward bit it looks shallow, the Leaf boot is deep.

unkel

You have a diesel car too? It will take you a lifetime of EV ownership to compensate for the evil you've caused with that cancermobile

unkel

unkel wrote: »

You have a diesel car too? It will take you a lifetime of EV ownership to compensate for the evil you've caused with that cancermobile

Oh it will take me many life times to compensate for the evil of driving diesels.

The Diesel is my Partners car, a Kia Cee'd Estate. I rarely drive it and when I do I crack up, even though it has about 10 more HP it feels like it has half, by the time you press the throttle to the time you get power, change gears, clutch and all that Sh**e the leaf will have long left it behind.

I drove it today only because I couldn't be arsed to put the child seats in the Leaf..... and oh did I miss preheating or what !!!

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

The Diesel is my Partners car, a Kia Cee'd Estate.

That's about the worst of the worst. We have one of those in our road here too. It's sickening to think The Green Party forced these cancer cars upon us. The one thing ever they did when they were in power, in the government, and they decided to encourage diesel.

If you want your loved ones to die of cancer, vote the Green Party!

unkel

unkel wrote: »

That's about the worst of the worst. We have one of those in our road here too. It's sickening to think The Green Party forced these cancer cars upon us. The one thing ever they did when they were in power, in the government, and they decided to encourage diesel.

If you want your loved ones to die of cancer, vote the Green Party!

In fairness to the Greens, they did what they felt was best at the time.

who_ru

Went for a short test drive in an Ioniq EV today.

Very impressed with it, smooth drive and good pick up from stationary.

Boot space is adequate but you won't get a set of golf clubs plus a trolley into it.

Discussed various finance options with the dealer who suggested HP is a better option than PCP in this instance. If I put down a 10k deposit now I will need to put down a 10k deposit in 3 years time if I want to keep the same monthly repayments - I don't really know all there is to know about PCP.

Cost of car is approx €30550 after grants, no vrt etc. A trade in of my own car would get €5k plus I would put down another €5k thus borrowing approx €20000 over 5yrs. This would have a HP rate of 5.9%, roughly €391 a month for 5yrs. Total cost of finance approx €23488.

Not sure of what option to go for. Maybe even import from Norn Iron.

josip

who_ru wrote: »

Went for a short test drive in an Ioniq EV today.

Very impressed with it, smooth drive and good pick up from stationary.

Boot space is adequate but you won't get a set of golf clubs plus a trolley into it.

Stick a set of winter 255s on it and it can double up as an electric golf buggy.