Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

VikingG

Alun wrote: »

Exactly. It has to be capable of 50km/h, but there is no minimum speed rather bizarrely.

While there is no minimum speed limit you can get done for dangerous driving.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/7171154.stm

Moreilly

bipedalhumanoid wrote: »

Just my 2c. It seems to me there is still a lot of ignorance about the cars still. Most people I come across aren't even aware of the subsidies or the potential savings. Also, the potential savings are hugely reduced if you don't have a decent size commute. There isn't much to be gained in running cost savings if you live 6km from your office.

I still find myself having to explain to people that EVs are not slow, that you're not going to run out of battery if you get stuck in traffic, that for 99% of your driving, they're more convenient than ICE vehicles due to home charging, and that there are huge potential savings.

I still get laughed at for owning one, even though I am demonstrably saving myself €4k/year in running costs. A lot of people don't reason from first principles. They just look at what is "normal" and laugh at what is not "normal". That's why there are still religions and it's why there are still ICE drivers.

There has been no education campaign by the gov. to explain what EVs are and who is a good candidate for one. For a long time I wondered why, and then recently a gov. spokesman admitted they were worried about the amount of tax revenue they'd lose if they hit their EV uptake targets.

It seems that what the government want is to give the impression that they are encouraging EV uptake without going so far as making it happen.

Education is key.

I am due to collect my Ioniq in about two weeks and had the car on a 24 hour test drive a while back, im finding that most people are genuinely interested ( and the few i had in the car while testing were very impressed....) and when told the cost of running it for a year they are even more interested, quite a few are not due to change their car in the immediate future but in 3-4 years time i can see a serious shift to ev especially as the range issue will most likely be gone or eased by then.
My dad after bringing him for a test drive who is 70+ and realises that i need to change my car- his response was 'sure what are you going to get if you dont get this (after bringing him for a test drive in the ioniq )you would be mad to get a diesel.....

BoatMad

Moreilly wrote: »

I am due to collect my Ioniq in about two weeks and had the car on a 24 hour test drive a while back, im finding that most people are genuinely interested ( and the few i had in the car while testing were very impressed....) and when told the cost of running it for a year they are even more interested, quite a few are not due to change their car in the immediate future but in 3-4 years time i can see a serious shift to ev especially as the range issue will most likely be gone or eased by then.
My dad after bringing him for a test drive who is 70+ and realises that i need to change my car- his response was 'sure what are you going to get if you dont get this (after bringing him for a test drive in the ioniq )you would be mad to get a diesel.....

Yes, the big issue is whether the cost of running the car will remain low, personally I have my doubts

Moreilly

BoatMad wrote: »

Yes, the big issue is whether the cost of running the car will remain low, personally I have my doubts

True... "According to the latest AA analysis, 86.52 cent of the total pump price for a litre of petrol and 73.67 cent of the total per litre cost of diesel consists of taxes, including VAT and duty."

Something is going to have to replace this massive revenue stream if ev's take off......

BoatMad

Moreilly wrote: »

True... "According to the latest AA analysis, 86.52 cent of the total pump price for a litre of petrol and 73.67 cent of the total per litre cost of diesel consists of taxes, including VAT and duty."

Something is going to have to replace this massive revenue stream if ev's take off......

Thats not the issue in itself, the Gov can over a 10-15 year period quite happily transition to systems like tolls or ANPR based road pricing etc ( or GPS based)

Arguably such a situation is better then fuel taxes anyway as it taxes road usage and can be targeted at congestion prevention as well ( and even perhaps rural one off houses etc ) , i.e. spatial policy

what I am more conerned about is using electricity to fuel EVs, that may not remain cheap , unless you can generate your own , which is problematic

isnottheword

Moreilly wrote: »

Something is going to have to replace this massive revenue stream if ev's take off......

That's a given. However, it's going to take a few years to bed in. It would be a mistake for .gov to hamper that process by slapping on charges early on. It's the opposite they need to do for the moment.

Once the vast majority are transitioned across, you can be damn sure that normal service will resume and lost revenues will be addressed in some way or other.

There are folks that keep saying that they will wait until there's a 60kWh+ car available before they'd consider EV. That's fine - if pure convenience is their thing and they're prepared to pay the price for that tech when it comes out from new.
However, if they have any notions of saving $ at that point, they can forget about it (or it will be short-lived at least). The opportunity to save cash on transportation has been the last couple of years and the next couple of years.

After that, they will structure it in a way that we will end up paying out the same as we did when we drove ICE (regardless of the fact that we may all be charging at home 95% of the time on nightrate).

unkel

Moreilly wrote: »

Something is going to have to replace this massive revenue stream if ev's take off......

Motor tax + VRT revenue is about a billion a year down compared to the old system 10 years ago because of the chape tax on diesels introduced in 2008. VRT on a typical 2l car was 36%. Now it's about 16%. Motor tax was €710, now it's about €200

Nothing (motoring) has replaced this revenue stream yet

Property tax, USC ?

isnottheword

Deleted User wrote: »

Property tax, USC ?

They won't stop at that ;-)

unkel

Aye, that's my point. The money will have to come from somewhere, but it's more likely to come from general taxation rather than from EV owners.

Na don't worry they'll reduce taxes to gain votes......

isnottheword

unkel wrote: »

Aye, that's my point. The money will have to come from somewhere, but it's more likely to come from general taxation rather than from EV owners.

In the short to medium term, yes. Once the transition is complete,they'll come back with a pay by miles driven model.

unkel

It will be a looooonnnnng time before the transition is complete

bipedalhumanoid

isnottheword wrote: »

That's a given. However, it's going to take a few years to bed in. It would be a mistake for .gov to hamper that process by slapping on charges early on. It's the opposite they need to do for the moment.

Once the vast majority are transitioned across, you can be damn sure that normal service will resume and lost revenues will be addressed in some way or other.

There are folks that keep saying that they will wait until there's a 60kWh+ car available before they'd consider EV. That's fine - if pure convenience is their thing and they're prepared to pay the price for that tech when it comes out from new.
However, if they have any notions of saving $ at that point, they can forget about it (or it will be short-lived at least). The opportunity to save cash on transportation has been the last couple of years and the next couple of years.

After that, they will structure it in a way that we will end up paying out the same as we did when we drove ICE (regardless of the fact that we may all be charging at home 95% of the time on nightrate).

Exactly, the savings you can get now should be seen as a reward for early adopters.

Having said that, even the basket-case coal-addicted continent of Australia is talking about implementing per-km charges no sooner than 2030. But I suspect they're grossly underestimating how quickly EV adoption will take off in the near future.

jimmycrackcorm

Deleted User wrote:

Property tax, USC ?

They'll introduce a road tax which people won't mind given so many think we actually already pay such a tax.

We're over taxed.

thierry14

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We're over taxed.

Your not

ICE owners are

Diesel/Petrol should be 40 cent a litre rest is tax

If that was removed EV's would be dead overnight

Orebro

thierry14 wrote: »

Your not

ICE owners are

Diesel/Petrol should be 40 cent a litre rest is tax

If that was removed EV's would be dead overnight

Along with all of us from the diesel fumes

thierry14

Orebro wrote: »

Along with all of us from the diesel fumes

Hybrids for you


Mother earth

irishgrover

did anyone hear any word from any dealer on when the "premium SE", model will be available - leather, electric seats etc will be avaialbe to order?

Soarer

thierry14 wrote: »

Your not

ICE owners are

Diesel/Petrol should be 40 cent a litre rest is tax

If that was removed EV's would be dead overnight

You'd swear we've been driving EVs our whole lives.

We've been driving EVs for, at most, 6 years. I personally have been driving one for 3 months. The previous 24 years before that, I've paid my fair share of tax on 2.0+ litre cars, paid many thousands in fuel, and countless euros in maintenance. I'm still paying through my wife's car.

So don't come across all bleeding heart like we haven't paid our fair share over the years.

man_no_plan

Whats the story with this 'Tyre inflation kit'? I know theres no room for a spare. Are these the foam sealers that mean your tyre is ruined and you need to get a new one?

ELM327

thierry14 wrote: »

Your not

ICE owners are

Diesel/Petrol should be 40 cent a litre rest is tax

If that was removed EV's would be dead overnight

I've had years that I paid over 2500 in motor tax, ran cars with single digit MPG figures, all legit and NCTd, taxed and insured.

As above, you'd swear we all never drove ICE cars. We just learned from the mistakes we made and moved away from carbon based fossil fuel combustion as a mode of transport/energy.

unkel

Me too, for donkeys years I paid max tax on at least one car. Although I never quite averaged the single MPG figures but came close enough

At some point I had 3 cars taxed. A 2l, a 3.5l and a 4.7l. All taxed, NCTd and insured. Still have a 2.5l 6 cylinder. NCTd, taxed and insured.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Me too, for donkeys years I paid max tax on at least one car. Although I never quite averaged the single MPG figures but came close enough

At some point I had 3 cars taxed. A 2l, a 3.5l and a 4.7l. All taxed, NCTd and insured. Still have a 2.5l 6 cylinder. NCTd, taxed and insured.

50's and early 60's american cars really took the proverbial with the single digit MPG figures.
Although I suppose they were at a similar stage to where we are now with EV in a way.
Cheap (practically free) fuel, limited only by range of the car. Typical range in an EV sold today is between 100-150 miles which wouldnt be too dissimilar to the comfortable range of an early postwar yank v8.

An interesting anecdote I often tell people at charging stations if they ask me about range anxiety - I have only had range anxiety in one car, and that was an early 60's dodge polara. Why? No at-home refueling and a comfortable range of about 120-140 miles.

unkel

A lot of people still get €20 worth of fuel. That gives you a slightly higher range than a modern Zoe EV, Golf EV, Ioniq EV etc,

In my last car €50 of petrol gave me less range than my current EV...

punisher5112

man_no_plan wrote: »

Whats the story with this 'Tyre inflation kit'? I know theres no room for a spare. Are these the foam sealers that mean your tyre is ruined and you need to get a new one?

It wouldn't ruin the tyre usually unless its a puncture which can't be fixed.

It will only work for likes of a screw or nail still stuck in it.

Usually just to get you to a tyre shop.

Mope

So this evening was the first time I finally saw and felt the turtle (intentionally) myself.
Not sure why people were saying that car has no power when it is in Turtle mode (or maybe Leaf behaves like this)? Mine had no issues accelerating the way I want. It felt maybe 10% or a bit more less responsive to gentle accelerator press (than in ECO mode), but if you give it a good press it launches as usual on Normal mode.
Came home with 4% left in. Home Fuel says it's 8.10 Hrs until full :-)

KCross

If it's like Leaf, turtle gets progressively worse. My guess is you just got the initial warning not full power restriction.

Fermi

Guys,

are there any apps for Android or iOS for the Ioniq that would allow you to remotely do stuff with it?


thanks,

Mope

No... :[

unkel

There is, Hyundai BlueLink. But it is US centered. Not sure what it would take to get it to work here.

Also, far more interestingly, there is an Alexa skill for BlueLink. BK posted a lot about it on this thread but you will have to do a search as it's a few pages back. Jaysus, we're well over 3000 posts in this thread!

Yeah and all the useful information is completely buried, it would be useful if someone creates a thread that they have the power to close it when it starts to get silly as in most of the useful information would be seriously difficult for anyone to read, i.e 3000 pages is just far too much.

unkel

3000 posts not pages

Haha,

Yes, but still useless all the same to someone looking for the useful information.

As I said, whoever creates the thread should have control of it, or at least if someone like myself takes the time to make a good review, upload pics etc etc that I should be able to post the review here and have no comments what so ever , then have a separate discussion thread.

unkel

Someone has a decent range



Nice pic taken by the same German fella that managed 365km in his Ioniq a few weeks ago.

Mine usually says 210km or so after I fast charge to 94%. But then again, I drive the bollix out of the car in sports mode and I do the opposite of hypermiling

unkel

And here for all the doubting Thomases to see in full. No doubt he uses hypermiling where he can, but you can see this is real life driving. Town driving, emergency stops, stuck in traffic, not so busy traffic, regional and national roads. No motorways.

Over 365km and he actually made it home without completely running out. Respect.

650Ginge

unkel wrote: »

And here for all the doubting Thomases to see in full. No doubt he uses hypermiling where he can, but you can see this is real life driving. Town driving, emergency stops, stuck in traffic, not so busy traffic, regional and national roads. No motorways.

Over 365km and he actually made it home without completely running out. Respect.

Very impressive. 40km/h average for 9hrs +. I know that area reasonably well it is very flat along the Rhin valley.

I must go look at one again tomorrow.

goz83

unkel wrote: »

Someone has a decent range

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Nice pic taken by the same German fella that managed 365km in his Ioniq a few weeks ago.

Mine usually says 210km or so after I fast charge to 94%. But then again, I drive the bollix out of the car in sports mode and I do the opposite of hypermiling

Interesting. The clue is in the image

Most people won't want to hypermile. That would be like me getting 150 Kms in the Leaf, eah, no.

I want to test drive the Ioniq again because my 15.3 Kwh/100 kms was normal driving. I wouldn't be too impressed about driving slower to be honest.

Anyone know anywhere near Carlow that has the Ioniq ?

jprboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone know anywhere near Carlow that has the Ioniq ?

Michael Lyng in Kilkenny

peposhi

Deleted User wrote: »

Most people won't want to hypermile. That would be like me getting 150 Kms in the Leaf, eah, no.

I want to test drive the Ioniq again because my 15.3 Kwh/100 kms was normal driving. I wouldn't be too impressed about driving slower to be honest.

Anyone know anywhere near Carlow that has the Ioniq ?

Hiunday Naas have one. Not so close though...

Kilkenny V Nass , not much in the difference. Cheers.

Ballylad

Just purchased ioniq demo from Hyundai carlow, very impressed with sport mode!, will be waiting while for home charger, how do get a charge card for public charger points? Thnks

Soarer

Well wear!

Just email ESB eCars, and they'll send one out to you.

unkel

Sport mode, or no mode

Well wear. Like Soarer said, you could just email eCars. Or if you have applied for the free home charger, they will automatically send you the charge card in the post.

unkel

What are we at now lads? New owners since a few weeks ago please fill in here:

1. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
2. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
3. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
4. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171 WH
5. thelikelylad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171C
6. woppers - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WX
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Dont be at yourself

1. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
2. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
3. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
4. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171 WH
5. thelikelylad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171C
6. woppers - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WX
7. don't be at yourself - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
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Ballylad

Ioniq BEV phantom black 171 cw

unkel

1. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
2. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
3. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171D
4. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171 WH
5. thelikelylad - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171C
6. woppers - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171WX
7. don't be at yourself - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171D
8. Ballylad - Ioniq BEV - Phantom Black - 171CW
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