Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning link in OP 20/3

TheDoc

I think it's an interesting part. We all sat and watched the exact same game, yet we can take such differening opinions from it.

Was Rojo subbed tactically or due to injury BTW.

jayo26

TheDoc wrote: »

I think it's an interesting part. We all sat and watched the exact same game, yet we can take such differening opinions from it.

Was Rojo subbed tactically or due to injury BTW.

Id say due to performance he was dire.

I dont know what blind needs to do for some people ur literally marked Lukaku out of the game today he didn't get a sniff against him he was probably second best player on pitch after martial.

DARK-KNIGHT

Anyone think degea will stick around?

Possible replacement?

Lloris would be perfect

Quandary

Blind has had his poor games for us at the back this season but he was very good today. Everton clearly instructed Lukaku to play off Blind so he could use his pace and strength to dominate him but it didn't work. Blind had a very solid game.

He is a midfielder who has been asked to fill in at centre half and over the course of the season overall he has been a success IMO. He's not a tall player for a centre half, nor does he have pace, but he is very very good at reading the game and has a great range of passing. He's not a long term partner for Smalling but he has done fine while our other designated centre halves have been either too broken or too sh1t.

Next season ideally we will have a proper dependable centre half partner for Smalling. I would love to see the next manager give Blind a shot in midfield alongside Schneiderlin. Let Schneiderlin have his box to box role and let Blind be the one that sits in front of the back 4 starting off attacks. Either Mata or Herrera at 10, depending on who fits best.

If it is Jose at the helm, I could see him preferring Herrera due to his aggression and work rate.

Really cannot wait for this season to end so we can try and get back to being a successful football club and not just a successful business.

J. Marston

Van Gaal is down with the kids...

https://vine.co/v/ijxIuX3rUDb

deaddonkey15

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Anyone think degea will stick around?

Possible replacement?

Lloris would be perfect

LLoris would be great. I'm liking the look of Butland too, but I reckon if De Gea is going to go to Madrid then we should insist on Navas going the other way.

Discodog

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Anyone think degea will stick around?

Possible replacement?

Lloris would be perfect

His mate says that he is staying.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/03/david-de-gea-is-happy-at-manchester-united-and-wants-to-stay-says-everton-star-joel-robles-5792153/

20 Times 20 Times

Traveling home from the game ! Wasn't overalls impressed but great result !!

Tony Martial came from France,

English press said he had no chance,

50 million down the drain,

As Tony martial scores again!

jayo26

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

LLoris would be great. I'm liking the look of Butland too, but I reckon if De Gea is going to go to Madrid then we should insist on Navas going the other way.

I think forster is an excellent option too. But butland probably shades it because of his age.

Lord TSC

Martial's goal was the 1000th home goal in the PL for United. Here's the other landmark goals...

PL goals at OT:
1 Irwin
100 Cantona
200 Scholes
300 Cole
400 Solskjaer
500 Giggs
600 Solskjaer
700 Ronaldo
800 Rooney
900 Kagawa
1000 Martial"

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Seems the more Carrick plays the easier a decision he is giving the club not renewing his contract. Absolute dog**** again.

Need to go balls to the wall for Kroos this summer if the stuff about him being sold is true.

Schneiderlan is being hamstrung in this team.

Carrick dog****? He was very tidy in possession and switched the play a few times today.

NoviGlitzko

TheDoc wrote: »

Seems the more Carrick plays the easier a decision he is giving the club not renewing his contract. Absolute dog**** again.

Need to go balls to the wall for Kroos this summer if the stuff about him being sold is true.

Schneiderlan is being hamstrung in this team.

Seen the game from 2 mins on so didn't see the team sheet.

Didn't know Carrick was playing until 5 mins into the second half.

HigginsJ

Lord TSC wrote:

PL goals at OT: 1 Irwin 100 Cantona 200 Scholes 300 Cole 400 Solskjaer 500 Giggs 600 Solskjaer 700 Ronaldo 800 Rooney 900 Kagawa 1000 Martial"

Lord TSC wrote:

Martial's goal was the 1000th home goal in the PL for United. Here's the other landmark goals...

Fantastic list of United legends (Kagawa aside) you'd have expected a few more where are they now types of names.

3 points will do just fine at this stage, and today's match wasn't the worst performance we've seen from United recently.

Everton are a strange one this season. They aren't great overall, but had only lost one away league match before today. Those 3 points weren't a given for United going into this match so to come out with 6/6 from this and the derby 2 weeks ago is not something I'm going to scoff at.

I thought Martial was great and there were hints at a nice partnership between he and Rashford. That one-two they played in the first half, where Rashford split the Everton defense with a back-heel to a galloping Martial and a last minute challenge from Stones saved Everton, was sublime and gave me that momentary blood rush which used to be a regular experience watching United. Above all other players, I can't wait to see what Martial is like under a manager who can field a consistently functioning side.

Blind had a good showing today, hopefully he won't be out too long with what looks like a hamstring niggle. He really is a player I'm grateful to have at the club and although he has the odd poor performance, the odd moment of madness, his positives outweigh them in comparison for me. Should we have a more traditional, specialised CB at United? Without question, yes, but the array of positions that Blind can play well means that he won't sit on the bench for too long.

Spurs next. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to get a result considering United's form against the bigger teams this season.

Rayne Wooney

We are just point hunting now, I don't care which way they come, if it takes Fellaini elbowing little puppies to get us 3 points I'll take them

We could have easily dropped points today, another day the shot off the woodwork would have gone in and it's another boring draw. You have to be insanely clinical under Van Gaal, you get one or two shots a game and you have to score them all. It's such an unproductive way to play football, we would need Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi and Suarez in the front four to win trophies under Van Gaal because other mortal players will miss chances.

Antibac

bangkok wrote: »

Carrick dog****? He was very tidy in possession and switched the play a few times today.

In fairness he was extremely poor today. You could see the different when Herrera came on. Quicker movement going forward and slot more energy in the team

https://twitter.com/everything_utd/status/716745313546014722

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

Carrick dog****? He was very tidy in possession and switched the play a few times today.

Lol no he was awful today

Could not handle any pressure from the Everton midfield and he gave the ball away in awful areas multiple times. He was dog****e

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

I think it's an interesting part. We all sat and watched the exact same game, yet we can take such differening opinions from it.

Was Rojo subbed tactically or due to injury BTW.

I was initially critical of the sub but in the end it was a good decision. Fosu mesah came on and delivered two or three really good crosses and he also was really calm in defensive positions. He cleared the ball out of the six yard box late in the game in what was Everton best chance IMO

Also replacing Carrick with Herrera was another good sub

Credit to LVG where credit is due

tastyt

Not a United fan lads but when ye talk about goalkeepers to replace de gea it always suprised me that Kasper Schmeichel isn't a bigger possibility than he seems.

I thought given the legendary name and obvious links to the club ( and his excellent form ) that he would be almost top of the list for United no 1 after de gea???

tastyt

tastyt wrote: »

Not a United fan lads but when ye talk about goalkeepers to replace de gea it always suprised me that Kasper Schmeichel isn't a bigger possibility than he seems.

I thought given the legendary name and obvious links to the club ( and his excellent form ) that he would be almost top of the list for United no 1 after de gea???

I would have no bother if Utd sign him if De Gea leaves

jayo26

tastyt wrote: »

Not a United fan lads but when ye talk about goalkeepers to replace de gea it always suprised me that Kasper Schmeichel isn't a bigger possibility than he seems.

I thought given the legendary name and obvious links to the club ( and his excellent form ) that he would be almost top of the list for United no 1 after de gea???

Kasper has shown this year he can be a top keeper he wasn't anyway outstanding in past seasons but yeh if he keeps doing Well he will be regarded as a top keeper.

bucketybuck

Antibac wrote: »

In fairness he was extremely poor today. You could see the different when Herrera came on.

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Also replacing Carrick with Herrera was another good sub

The problem with United is that next game the situation would probably be reversed. Herrera could start, play poorly, Carrick comes on and looks a little better and then Herrera is the villain and Carrick the hero. It happens pretty often with different players. I'm not Carricks biggest fan, but its hard to judge him too harshly in cases like this.

Headshot

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Lol no he was awful today

Could not handle any pressure from the Everton midfield and he gave the ball away in awful areas multiple times.

So basically like the most of his utd career then

Rayne Wooney

It's really weird how the whole Leicester team are doing so brilliantly, it's not like Vardy and Mahrez are firing them to the title. From goalkeeper all the way to striker the players have been incredible

I think some of the players will eventually go back to a baseline and I worry that Schmeichel could be one, I mean he's 30 this year and this seems to be the first season he has played at a good level. He's hardly going to follow in the exact footsteps as his father is he in that regard

Billy86

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I think some of the players will eventually go back to a baseline and I worry that Schmeichel could be one, I mean he's 30 this year and this seems to be the first season he has played at a good level. He's hardly going to follow in the exact footsteps as his father is he in that regard

I do agree with your general point, just took a quick check and if we hypothetically signed Kasper in the summer, he would only be two years older than his dad was when we signed him. Peter was quite highly rated but had yet to become a phenomenon (apparently named 10th best keeper in the world shortly before we signed him) and had been a Danish international for four years, as opposed to Kasper who has been for three.

Kylo Ren

Lord TSC wrote: »

Martial's goal was the 1000th home goal in the PL for United. Here's the other landmark goals...

PL goals at OT:
1 Irwin
100 Cantona
200 Scholes
300 Cole
400 Solskjaer
500 Giggs
600 Solskjaer
700 Ronaldo
800 Rooney
900 Kagawa
1000 Martial"

#Never4GetHim

Pendreds Fists of Fury

Pendreds Fists of Fury wrote: »

#Never4GetHim

I love how the rest of the players on that list are pretty much club legends, and then there's cheeky Kagawa popping in there for #900 :pac:

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

Martial's goal was the 1000th home goal in the PL for United. Here's the other landmark goals...

PL goals at OT:
1 fellaini
100 fellaini
200 fellaini
300 fellaini
400 fellaini
500 fellaini
600 fellaini
700 fellaini
800 fellaini
900 fellaini
1000 Martial"

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Did anyone manage to see Fergies interview with Jim Whyte last night? Any Good?

bangkok

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Did anyone manage to see Fergies interview with Jim Whyte last night? Any Good?

just talked about Leicester and they will win the league.

Danny Simpson is an excellent defender and Danny Drinkwater was at an age where United couldn't keep him in the reserves any longer as he would stagnate so they decided to sell him as they do with a lot of player his age as they were covered in midfield with good players

Pochettino is a brilliant manager and the big clubs will come looking for him and spurs are doing so well as they have a great team full of young English talent.

Harry Kane is like Alan Shearer

Deli Alli is one of the best young midfielders he has seen since gazza.

van Gaal has been extremely unlucky with injuries but the 9 young players he gave debuts too will never forget van Gaal and will be forever grateful.

Any parents watching the programme just remember before you decide where to send your kids to play football, United are the best club for giving chances to young players.

bangkok

Headshot wrote: »

So basically like the most of his utd career then

Harsh, extremely harsh.

sReq | uTeK

Spend every penny we have and buy Kante and Kane + a Centre half.

If we have the money left buy an established right winger.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

The problem with United is that next game the situation would probably be reversed. Herrera could start, play poorly, Carrick comes on and looks a little better and then Herrera is the villain and Carrick the hero. It happens pretty often with different players. I'm not Carricks biggest fan, but its hard to judge him too harshly in cases like this.

I judged him in this specific match and that is all. He gave the ball away with sloppy passing multiple times which in turn allowed Everton to pressurize the back four.

Taking him off was the correct thing to do yesterday and Herrera had a positive impact when he came on by retaining possession and playing the ball forward.

Fosu Mensah was also a good switch as Rojo was providing nothing to the attack. Also, Blind spent half the game covering for him in defense also.

Fosu Mensah also provided the crucial assist for the goal by delivering a good cross.

sReq | uTeK

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I judged him in this specific match and that is all. He gave the ball away with sloppy passing multiple times which in turn allowed Everton to pressurize the back four.

Taking him off was the correct thing to do yesterday and Herrera had a positive impact when he came on by retaining possession and playing the ball forward.

Fosu Mensah was also a good switch as Rojo was providing nothing to the attack. Also, Blind spent half the game covering for him in defense also.

Fosu Mensah also provided the crucial assist for the goal by delivering a good cross.

I'm not saying Fosu Mensah is a world beater just yet, but IMO he gives far more both in terms of attack and at the back compared to Rojo, who I think is an absolute liability.

Strumms

It was a good move yesterday by LVG to take off Rojo. Probably had his poorest game so far in a united shirt and Everton were getting a lot of joy down his side. Fosu-Mensah did well again as he has so far in his couple of cameos. Looks a strong, quick, physical player who isnt fased by the step up and he has been consistently impressive when ive seen him for the U21s. If there is a plus from this season its probably the young guys coming through all be it out of necessity rather then planning. Varela, Borthwick-Jackson, Fosu-Mensah and of course Rashford have all looked the part. Hopefully they can fullfill the potential.

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

Carrick dog****? He was very tidy in possession and switched the play a few times today.

He was terrible. The switches he did were nothing of note. Schneiderlan was much more a dominant force. Then came the inevitable, where he was just getting over run and bypassed, totally anonymous.

I don't like belittling our players, especially ones part of the club for so long, but writing very much on the wall for him. And while I say I'm looking forward to it, only from the perspective of him being a massive liability.

TheDoc

Headshot wrote: »

So basically like the most of his utd career then

Whatever about Nani,Wellbeck,Rooney, I'm surprised Carrick isn't the MOST debated player in here.

The ultimate marmite squad member. I sit very much on the unimpressed side of things. Clearly winning as much as he did and factoring in as many Fergie sides as he did stands for something, but I always just have memories of his hapless errors that got us knocked out of champions leagues or lost us games, and just his general lackluster ways.

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

He was terrible. The switches he did were nothing of note. Schneiderlan was much more a dominant force. Then came the inevitable, where he was just getting over run and bypassed, totally anonymous.

I don't like belittling our players, especially ones part of the club for so long, but writing very much on the wall for him. And while I say I'm looking forward to it, only from the perspective of him being a massive liability.

carrick is far from a liability, maybe he didn't have his best game yesterday but id say there aren't too many games in his United career where you could say that.

The Manchester derby 2 weeks ago he was excellent and saved us the win with a massive tackle on Bony that was guaranteed a goal.

His 10th season at the club, 408 games played at the heart of Midfield for Manchester United and the biggest compliment you can receive is from the players themselves and they are all high in their praise for Carrick

ElChe32

Conte gone to Chelsea

Johner

Was having a conversation with a United supporting mate about you lot signing Lukaku or Kane, I argued Kane would be a better fit for United and has a better all round game but he prefers Lukaku. I still think his first touch and link up play isn't as strong, his passing is pretty poor. Both would cost a bomb though but I'd be interested to see who you would prefer given the choice?

bangkok

Johner wrote: »

Was having a conversation with a United supporting mate about you lot signing Lukaku or Kane, I argued Kane would be a better fit for United and has a better all round game but he prefers Lukaku. I still think his first touch and link up play isn't as strong, his passing is pretty poor. Both would cost a bomb though but I'd be interested to see who you would prefer given the choice?

Kane, better all round player and finisher imo

Flint Fredstone

Johner wrote: »

Was having a conversation with a United supporting mate about you lot signing Lukaku or Kane, I argued Kane would be a better fit for United and has a better all round game but he prefers Lukaku. I still think his first touch and link up play isn't as strong, his passing is pretty poor. Both would cost a bomb though but I'd be interested to see who you would prefer given the choice?

I'd go with Kane myself, I said a long time ago that he's the real deal while many were screaming one season wonder. It's going to take ridiculous money to get him though. Definitely has more strings to his bow than Lukaku but I wouldn't turn my nose up at either of them.

TheDoc

Johner wrote: »

Was having a conversation with a United supporting mate about you lot signing Lukaku or Kane, I argued Kane would be a better fit for United and has a better all round game but he prefers Lukaku. I still think his first touch and link up play isn't as strong, his passing is pretty poor. Both would cost a bomb though but I'd be interested to see who you would prefer given the choice?

I don't think there is much between them now, as I did last season where I was in the camp of "Let's see Kane do it again".

When it comes to the things that matter with a striker, I'd say both are on par or extremely close. I wouldn't see how to seperate them out.

For the things not immediately important to me for a striker, but maybe others, Kane might just edge ahead. Lukaku can be a bit whingy and moany when not getting service, and Kane puts in bigger shifts hassling defenders.

I'd be delighted with either.

bucketybuck

This might be a ridiculous metaphor or something but my thinking on Kane/Lukaku is like this.

Kane could win you a league, Lukaku could win you the champions league.

I just think that quality wise he has the higher ceiling, is a little more mercurial and the type that could be the difference in the crunch semis and finals against the Barcas and Munichs of this world.

IamtheWalrus

Utd will be in for both. You watch.

adox

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Utd will be in for both. You watch.

And sign neither...

Rayne Wooney

It will take a ridiculous bid to get Kane and the pressure that comes with that won't be good for Harry. Spurs aren't expected to be where they are now so they are playing with a freedom that will be gone if he moves on

If Kane moves I'd be surprised if it wasn't a world record fee

Strumms

I like Kane over Lukaku. Aside from being a goal machine and precision finisher he has such a good all round game. Superb work rate too and he will chase hopeful lost cause balls into the corner all day for you. Not sure you get that from Lukaku to the same extent. Also with Kane I like his attitude. Whenever he is interviewed he just comes across as an intelligent level headed kind of person. He would be a great fit for United. Getable in the summer ? Very debatable.

Maximus Alexander

Kane's English tax along with Spurs having a mighty season makes him borderline ungettable in my eyes. If United went out to buy both, they'd come back with Lukaku I reckon.