Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016 - Mod Warning link in OP 20/3

StringerBell

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Does not matter he was ****

Matters a hell of a lot when it comes to a pound for pound discussion!

The_Kew_Tour

StringerBell wrote: »

Matters a hell of a lot when it comes to a pound for pound discussion!

That's fair enough:pac:

jayo26

StringerBell wrote: »

Jaysus yeah forgot Anderson, he would certainly have a big shout at pound for pound worst too all things considered.

Not at all he had a big say in us winning the champs league took a penalty and all. He just didn't build on his start but he was far from the worst.

Id go with Veron as the worst for his value but on performances on pitch they can be no worse then taibi and William Prunier. Poor William was a poor man's version of a donkey.

Hurler85

David Bellion, now there was a bellend

StringerBell

StringerBell wrote: »

Yes and when we got the equaliser you see the fire start to go out of the players again, it is infuriating to watch!

Ya it is such a killer, it really does make you wonder what our players could do if they were sent out to just gor for it. Liverpool game will be interesting nothing to lose are we balls out. Me I doubt it untill the 60 min or we conceed but dont see the players having the confidence for it to happen if we do go a goal down.

Sirsok

Was in pub watching the game and one lad blamed fellani for the free kick going in as he apparently was standing in the wrong place in the wall

Poor fellani

StringerBell

Sirsok wrote: »

Was in pub watching the game and one lad blamed fellani for the free kick going in as he apparently was standing in the wrong place in the wall

Poor fellani

I know the guy, he posts here actually under the name Bangkok

Rayne Wooney

I find myself tuning in just for the comedy of it all at this stage

It's amazing how bad of a job Van Gaal is doing, if there was an award for the worst manager of the year in world football surely he'd win it given the resources he has had whilst turning us into a mid table team.

uncleoswald

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It's amazing how bad of a job Van Gaal is doing, if there was an award for the worst manager of the year in world football surely he'd win it given the resources he has had whilst turning us into a mid table team.

Well there was also that guy who took a title winning team and had them hovering around the relegation zone until he got the boot...

Maximus Alexander

uncleoswald wrote: »

Well there was also that guy who took a title winning team and had them hovering around the relegation zone until he got the boot...

That doesn't reflect badly on him at all though because something something special one.

Liam McPoyle

bangkok wrote: »

Interesting stat...

Anderson......

Premier League (4):[69] 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
Football League Cup (2):[69] 2008–09, 2009–10
FA Community Shield (2):[69] 2011, 2013
UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08[69]
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008[69]

Fellaini.....







Mmmmmmm

So Anderson was part of a successful squad which means he was a better player for us than Fellaini has been, OK.

Herrara has no honours in England.

Neither does Martial.

Is Anderson better than them?

You post such moronic nonsense by times its a wonder you are able to leave your house everyday.

beno619

Business Cat wrote: »

So Anderson was part of a successful squad which means he was a better player for us than Fellaini has been, OK.

Herrara has no honours in England.

Neither does Martial.

Is Anderson better than them?

You post such moronic nonsense by times its a wonder you are able to leave your house everyday.

I wouldn't agree with the logic used but Anderson made contributions to title winning sides and as a young player stood up to be counted in Moscow.

For a time he was a very good player and has done more for Manchester United than any of the players you listed.

Martypants1

Fellaini is best at no.10.

Moyes played him at DM and he was horrible. LVG then started playing him this season at defensive midfield. Horrendous.

For all his poor performances he's still done more this season for the team than Memphis.

jayo26

Martypants1 wrote: »

Fellaini is best at no.10.

Moyes played him at DM and he was horrible. LVG then started playing him this season at defensive midfield. Horrendous.

For all his poor performances he's still done more this season for the team than Memphis.

Im not blowing up memphis performances I think he has loads more to give next year hopefully but he has also scored a few goals that helped us qualify for the champions league group stage and he put in a man of the match performance in europa league albeit against a very poor side but this is still a hell of a lot more contribution then Fellaini.

You are right tho his best position is a number 10 but not in a man united side I don't think he would even play well in the current everton side anymore he is suited to a Tony Pulis side or big Sam's Sunderland side.

Liam O

Martypants1 wrote: »

Fellaini is best at no.10.

Moyes played him at DM and he was horrible. LVG then started playing him this season at defensive midfield. Horrendous.

For all his poor performances he's still done more this season for the team than Memphis.

Fellaini's best position is as a centre midfielder. Absolutely no doubt in my mind. Same as Herrera.

bangkok

Business Cat wrote: »

So Anderson was part of a successful squad which means he was a better player for us than Fellaini has been, OK.

Herrara has no honours in England.

Neither does Martial.

Is Anderson better than them?

You post such moronic nonsense by times its a wonder you are able to leave your house everyday.

Anderson was a much better footballer for us than fellaini was.

Anderson was also much better than Herrera was at a young age. People seem to forget how good he was actually. Golden Boy award in 2008

Martial is a class player in his first season at the club so I don't even know why he comes into the argument.

keeponhurling

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Should never have sold Büttner, club has fallen apart since he left.

Nope, Buttner was there for the Moyes season.

So although things are still sh!te, they have improved since Buttner left.

Martypants1

jayo26 wrote: »

Im not blowing up memphis performances I think he has loads more to give next year hopefully but he has also scored a few goals that helped us qualify for the champions league group stage and he put in a man of the match performance in europa league albeit against a very poor side but this is still a hell of a lot more contribution then Fellaini.

You are right tho his best position is a number 10 but not in a man united side I don't think he would even play well in the current everton side anymore he is suited to a Tony Pulis side or big Sam's Sunderland side.

Fellaini got the 3rd goal which was seen as very important at the time in the first Brugge game.

Also made the goal for the winner v Liverpool.

Always been a good defensive outlet for us.

If Fellaini wasn't lanky, clumsy and didn't have an afro but instead wore the famed no.7, had stylish tattoos and sideburns and had banged some goals past some amateur keepers in the dutch league the year before we'd all be lambasting Memphis instead of Fellaini. At least we all know Fellaini is suited to a direct team who cross a lot, something we shouldn't be doing....who has also not played in a position that suits him this year.

Memphis on the other hand has been played on his favoured LW all season and has been terrible against any team of worth.

Flint Fredstone

keeponhurling wrote: »

Nope, Buttner was there for the Moyes season.

So although things are still sh!te, they have improved since Buttner left.

Büt that's when things started to go sour, Moyes wouldn't play him. Coincidence? I think not.

bucketybuck

Martypants1 wrote: »

If Fellaini wasn't...

If Felliani had a good manager who played him to his strengths in a functioning football team people wouldn't be on his case so much.

bangkok

great photo from yesterdays game

keeponhurling

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Büt that's when things started to go sour, Moyes wouldn't play him. Coincidence? I think not.

We'll never know!

Around that time Ferguson retired, and Buttner wasn't picked much.

Which one caused the decline (or maybe a bit of both), we'll simply never know.

keeponhurling

bucketybuck wrote: »

If Felliani had a good manager who played him to his strengths in a functioning football team people wouldn't be on his case so much.

They could give him a coaching role, he could teach the other players how to chest a ball.

He really is magnificant at that.

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

great photo from yesterdays game

Its so bad now even bangkok is trying to change the subject front Fellaini bashing

bucketybuck

It really is hard to fathom these conversations.

We have had some poor players at the club, players who really weren't up to our standards, players like Bellion, Djemba-Djemba, Miller, Prunier, Gibson, Cleverley, Bebe. Those were players who undeniably were not good enough for Manchester United, no question about it.

And then we have Felliani, a guy who has displayed his talents at both PL and international level, a guy with certain traits and a skillset that could be very useful to any properly managed football team, but instead of recognising that, we make him the scapegoat for all the bull**** happening elsewhere in the club. Instead of recognising that he came to the club just as it entered the worst run in a generation and that it affected his development just as it affected the development of 2 dozen other players, instead we call him the worst player ever and blame him for everything.

I'd love to take all these players from the last 3 years, all the players ****ed about by Moyes and Van Gaal, players like Nani, Van Persie, Kagawa, Rafael, Felliani, Januzaj, Rooney, all these players who have underperformed for so long and give them to a good manager, I'd love to see what they could do if managed properly. I suspect we would see a very different team, that we would be talking about the likes of Felliani very differently if he was being used properly in a functioning style of play.

Martypants1

bucketybuck wrote: »

If Felliani had a good manager who played him to his strengths in a functioning football team people wouldn't be on his case so much.

Exactly. Unfortunately getting the most out of Fella would lead us to play a style of football that isn't great.

Not Fellainis fault though and he never shys away. Loved his foul yesterday after Noble should have got a yellow. Atkinson was shocking.

Martypants1

bucketybuck wrote: »

I suspect we would see a very different team, that we would be talking about the likes of Felliani very differently if he was being used properly in a functioning style of play.

He was instrumental to getting 4th last season. Without Fellaini we would be going for 3 years without CL in a row.

He's a cult hero for me.

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

great photo from yesterdays game

Someone buy Fergie a tie clip for his next birthday!:p

bangkok

Martypants1 wrote: »

He was instrumental to getting 4th last season. Without Fellaini we would be going for 3 years without CL in a row.

He's a cult hero for me.

bangkok

bucketybuck wrote: »

It really is hard to fathom these conversations.

We have had some poor players at the club, players who really weren't up to our standards, players like Bellion, Djemba-Djemba, Miller, Prunier, Gibson, Cleverley, Bebe. Those were players who undeniably were not good enough for Manchester United, no question about it.

And then we have Felliani, a guy who has displayed his talents at both PL and international level, a guy with certain traits and a skillset that could be very useful to any properly managed football team, but instead of recognising that, we make him the scapegoat for all the bull**** happening elsewhere in the club. Instead of recognising that he came to the club just as it entered the worst run in a generation and that it affected his development just as it affected the development of 2 dozen other players, instead we call him the worst player ever and blame him for everything.

I'd love to take all these players from the last 3 years, all the players ****ed about by Moyes and Van Gaal, players like Nani, Van Persie, Kagawa, Rafael, Felliani, Januzaj, Rooney, all these players who have underperformed for so long and give them to a good manager, I'd love to see what they could do if managed properly. I suspect we would see a very different team, that we would be talking about the likes of Felliani very differently if he was being used properly in a functioning style of play.

I thought you were talking about Jonathan Walters there for a minute

bucketybuck

Martypants1 wrote: »

Exactly. Unfortunately getting the most out of Fella would lead us to play a style of football that isn't great.

Not necessarily, and leaving aside the fact that our football couldn't get much worse anyway...

Felliani does not have to mean long ball, he is not Andy Carroll. He can help in that regard if needed but he does have a lot more to offer than a route one outlet. He did well for two or three games last season playing on the left of a narrow midfield, and I think had Fergie still been there we would have seen him excell in a midfield three, playing the all action role the likes of Fletcher or Park were given.

Personally, I also do think that Felliani has the attributes to play box to box, he said himself he preferred central midfield, he plays there for his country and does well, and if he had been developed properly after he joined the club I could easily see him as having grown into the role. We'll never know, because instead of joining a proper club he joined the Moyes and Van Gaal show, a show which has been horrible for every player at the club.

In the end though, we have an energetic and physical player with a good level of technical ability and some unique skillsets, this is not some scrub with two left feet. Instead of complaining about him being the worst player ever perhaps we should be more concerned about why we have yet another good footballer underperforming.

bangkok

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11959/10204925/manchester-uniteds-marouane-fellaini-escapes-uefa-action

J. Marston

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11959/10204925/manchester-uniteds-marouane-fellaini-escapes-uefa-action

Cool, let him off the leash on Thursday.

Fellaini, smash.

v3ttel

Martypants1 wrote: »

LVG then started playing him this season at defensive midfield. Horrendous.

You've been reading too much of OptaJoe's twitter feed. Influenced.

fergiesfolly

bangkok wrote: »

great photo from yesterdays game

Best view in the house...probably

Martypants1

Our season in a nutshell

Cantona's Collars

Yeah!! Let us rejoice-Woodward has helped the club seal a 3 year deal with Gulf Oil in Asia.
Fuck the fact we play shit on a stick football so long as the sponsorship money rolls in.

http://www.reuters.com/article/soccer-manu-deals-idUSL3N16M3AY?rpc=401

Maximus Alexander

zerks wrote: »

Yeah!! Let us rejoice-Woodward has helped the club seal a 3 year deal with Gulf Oil in Asia.
Fuck the fact we play shit on a stick football so long as the sponsorship money rolls in.

http://www.reuters.com/article/soccer-manu-deals-idUSL3N16M3AY?rpc=401

Woodward was quoted as saying: "It was either push this deal through or do something about the manager. The hierarchy at the club couldn't deal with both at the same time, so we elected to put the football side of things on the back-burner. We stand by our decision."

bucketybuck

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Woodward was quoted as saying: "It was either push this deal through or do something about the manager.

You can be as facetious as you wish, but the simple fact is that the board haven't done anything about the manager, and as such deserve every ounce of criticism they get.

Lord TSC

bucketybuck wrote: »

You can be as facetious as you wish, but the simple fact is that the board haven't done anything about the manager, and as such deserve every ounce of criticism they get.

Listen, I'd agree that Woody and the board deserve so, so much criticism for their handling of the manager situation, at least on a public level.

At the same time, I always find it very petty that people will take the aspect of Woody's job that he is doing a genuinely world class job at, and use THAT as a major source of criticism. Bash away at his dithering when it comes to managerial changes. But the job he's doing commercially is top class, and using it as a stick to beat him with just seems so stupid to me...

Lord TSC

Not that we will, but...

It won't just be fans of Liverpool and Manchester United who will have a keen interest in Thursday's Europa League return between the sides at Old Trafford.

For if United get through it will give the FA a real headache in arranging the Old Trafford club's FA Cup sixth round replay with West Ham.

There is a problem already as the first two free midweek dates are ruled out due to the international break. The next two are reserved for Uefa competition.

There is a financial penalty if domestic matches are arranged during this time but with the week before the semi-finals on 23 and 24 April too close logistically, some kind of European clash looks inevitable even without the major added complication of Louis van Gaal's side still being involved in the Europa League.

via the BBC

jayo26

Lord TSC wrote: »

Not that we will, but...

It won't just be fans of Liverpool and Manchester United who will have a keen interest in Thursday's Europa League return between the sides at Old Trafford.

For if United get through it will give the FA a real headache in arranging the Old Trafford club's FA Cup sixth round replay with West Ham.

There is a problem already as the first two free midweek dates are ruled out due to the international break. The next two are reserved for Uefa competition.

There is a financial penalty if domestic matches are arranged during this time but with the week before the semi-finals on 23 and 24 April too close logistically, some kind of European clash looks inevitable even without the major added complication of Louis van Gaal's side still being involved in the Europa League.

via the BBC

I dont think the financial penalty will bother them they scheduled arsenals game last Tuesday night on champions league night.

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

Listen, I'd agree that Woody and the board deserve so, so much criticism for their handling of the manager situation, at least on a public level.

At the same time, I always find it very petty that people will take the aspect of Woody's job that he is doing a genuinely world class job at, and use THAT as a major source of criticism. Bash away at his dithering when it comes to managerial changes. But the job he's doing commercially is top class, and using it as a stick to beat him with just seems so stupid to me...

Rationally speaking you may indeed be correct.

But its a simple fact of life, if you are failing at a vital part of your job then successes in other areas will be diminished by association, especially when those other areas are deemed to be less important than the role you are failing at.

Say Lewis Hamilton released a critically acclaimed rap album, but then started crashing in every second race. The two things might have no connection whatsoever but its naive to think people won't start saying that perhaps he should stop ****ing about with music and concentrate on his driving.

So Ed Woodward is great at commercial deals? Good for you Ed, have a pat on the back. Problem is you are the CEO of a football club and the football side of things is a ****ing disgrace, so as a fan your commercial success gives me no comfort whatsoever. If you are good at commercial deals but bad at running a football club then you are a crap CEO for a football club.

Maximus Alexander

bucketybuck wrote: »

You can be as facetious as you wish, but the simple fact is that the board haven't done anything about the manager, and as such deserve every ounce of criticism they get.

That's the point though; they don't deserve every ounce of criticism they get. You can be deserving of criticism, yet still be criticised incorrectly.

Failing to act to fix the ailing football is worthy of criticism. Doing an excellent job of securing commercial deals is not.

It's akin to criticising Wayne Rooney for missing a penalty, then inexplicably criticising him for scoring from a free kick later on. "If he wasn't so worried about his free kicks he'd have scored that penalty".

bucketybuck

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's akin to criticising Wayne Rooney for missing a penalty, then inexplicably criticising him for scoring from a free kick later on.

No, its like Wayne Rooney proudly displaying his "most tackles in a season" award when he hasn't scored in a year. Yeah, nice trophy Wayne, but you are on the field to score goals so what the **** are you at?

Maximus Alexander

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, its like Wayne Rooney proudly displaying his "most tackles in a season" award when he hasn't scored in a year. Yeah, nice trophy Wayne, but you are on the field to score goals so what the **** are you at?

I think we've already established that you and I see the world very differently. I'll continue to be facetious about things I think are silly, and you'll continue to be angry about things that you think are silly. We'll probably never agree, and that's okay.

intellectual dosser

bucketybuck wrote: »

Rationally speaking you may indeed be correct.

But its a simple fact of life, if you are failing at a vital part of your job then successes in other areas will be diminished by association, especially when those other areas are deemed to be less important than the role you are failing at.

Say Lewis Hamilton released a critically acclaimed rap album, but then started crashing in every second race. The two things might have no connection whatsoever but its naive to think people won't start saying that perhaps he should stop ****ing about with music and concentrate on his driving.

So Ed Woodward is great at commercial deals? Good for you Ed, have a pat on the back. Problem is you are the CEO of a football club and the football side of things is a ****ing disgrace, so as a fan your commercial success gives me no comfort whatsoever. If you are good at commercial deals but bad at running a football club then you are a crap CEO for a football club.

On the footballing side of things - what is Ed Woodward supposed to do at this moment in time?

- Publicly criticise LVG, undermine him and compromise the respect the players have for him as well as the integrity of the club.

- Sack LVG and install an interim manager? Not sure if anything would be achieved by the end of the season. Our reputation for sacking managers mid-season would commence (We're not Liverpool).

- Announce that a new manager has been signed for next season. Again undermining LVG and compromising the job he has for the rest of the season.

I take it theres an option Im missing?

I think Ed is doing just fine securing funds for sadly yet another squad overhaul in the summer.

bucketybuck

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I think we've already established that you and I see the world very differently. I'll continue to be facetious about things I think are silly, and you'll continue to be angry about things that you think are silly. We'll probably never agree, and that's okay.

Angry? I write a clear and simple post and thats your response?

bucketybuck

intellectual dosser wrote: »

On the footballing side of things - what is Ed Woodward supposed to do at this moment in time?

He should have sacked Louis Van Gaal six months ago at the latest, and I don't believe there is a top club or CEO in the world that wouldn't have made that decision long ago.

Maximus Alexander

bucketybuck wrote: »

Angry? I write a clear and simple post and thats your response?

No offense intended. Just don't want to get involved in a long back and forth where we both find ten different ways to express ourselves and still disagree by the exact same degree in the end.