Dodderbrook Ballycullen

Snakeblood

Apparently the second phase 3 beds went from 330 grand to 370? We bought in first phase, and a price hike like that is a bit worrying in general terms. Good for people who bought in the first phase though.

68 lost souls

Snakeblood wrote: »

Apparently the second phase 3 beds went from 330 grand to 370? We bought in first phase, and a price hike like that is a bit worrying in general terms. Good for people who bought in the first phase though.

The big question is what will the phase 3 go for. The 370,000 is a different house though so like comparing watermelons and cantaloupes, the actual jumps to the snowdrop 2 is less than 30,000. What was the snowdrop 2 in phase 1?

Snakeblood

68 lost souls wrote: »

The big question is what will the phase 3 go for. The 370,000 is a different house though so like comparing watermelons and cantaloupes, the actual jumps to the snowdrop 2 is less than 30,000. What was the snowdrop 2 in phase 1?

Oh, sorry, got confused. I'd actually be interested to see what the relative prices are. Ignore previous pricepost please.

guile4582

they are all overpriced considering the area,amenities etc.

IMO people are foolish to pay these prices

dantheman89

guile4582 wrote: »

they are all overpriced considering the area,amenities etc.

idiots

Considering the market I think phase 1 was good value but phase 2 are overpriced. Although the entire market is inflated in the area.

I viewed all new estates in the area including Abbott Grove, Dalriada, C'kill mews etc and looking at 2nd hand properties and even with the increased price you will generally pay more for less space in the surrounding area.

glad we bought in the 1st phase but feel sorry for anyone buying in phase 2 having to pay more and live on the side of the estate where future developments look likely according to the LAP.

dantheman89

Snakeblood wrote: »

Oh, sorry, got confused. I'd actually be interested to see what the relative prices are. Ignore previous pricepost please.

Foxglove I - 3 bed mid terrace €325k
Foxglove III - 3 bed end of terrace €345k
Snowdrop - 3 bed semi-d €360k (was €332-340k)
Bluebell I & III - 4 bed semi-d €390k (was €385k)
Honeysuckle I & II - 4 bed detached €420k
Poppy I & II - 4 bed detached €420k

intheclouds

I drove past this morning at 6.45am and there were a lot of cars and activity there - although didnt see anyone queuing at the office.

68 lost souls

intheclouds wrote: »

I drove past this morning at 6.45am and there were a lot of cars and activity there - although didnt see anyone queuing at the office.

The office was open at that stage so people were inside

intheclouds

68 lost souls wrote: »

The office was open at that stage so people were inside

Nah, I could see in, there was someone at the desk but no customers.

I just drove past it now and by comparison there weren't that many cars there this morning, way more now so maybe it wasn't too busy.

68 lost souls

intheclouds wrote: »

Nah, I could see in, there was someone at the desk but no customers.

I just drove past it now and by comparison there weren't that many cars there this morning, way more now so maybe it wasn't too busy.

Trust me there were at least 5 sets of buyers in there at that time. I have it from a very reliable source. 3 groups of buyers there overnight and 2 sets arrived in the hour or so before opening

The cars there later were the builders cars id say.

intheclouds

68 lost souls wrote: »

Trust me there were at least 5 sets of buyers in there at that time. I have it from a very reliable source. 3 groups of buyers there overnight and 2 sets arrived in the hour or so before opening

The cars there later were the builders cars id say.

It's not really about trusting you! I could see into the office with my own eyes and i didn't see anyone in it at that time.

There were cars parked alright and there could have been people waiting in them.

There were also builders already on site and DNG were there too.

dantheman89

68 lost souls wrote: »

Trust me there were at least 5 sets of buyers in there at that time. I have it from a very reliable source. 3 groups of buyers there overnight and 2 sets arrived in the hour or so before opening

The cars there later were the builders cars id say.

I have a friend that was down there and this is accurate. Maybe they where in camoflage or hiding behind a curtain when intheclouds was passing.

intheclouds

dantheman89 wrote: »

I have a friend that was down there and this is accurate. Maybe they where in camoflage or hiding behind a curtain when intheclouds was passing.

Maybe the sleep in my eyes got in the way of having good vision. Or I was later than I thought and the deals were already done.

Grassey

Open viewing 2 -4 this Sat/Sun

LostSheep87

Hi there

My husband and I went to see Dodderbrook, Ballycullen last weekend. We love the houses. They have been done really well. Neither of us are from Dublin but have been renting here for a few years. At the moment we are in South Co. Dub with a luas line 13 mins away and access to the M50. Dodderbrook will still be close to the M50 but it's in No Man's Land regarding public transport.
This can be gotten over, but is it a nice place to live around there? What are the schools like? There isn't really a village as it's in the middle of a few places so where would people go to socialise?

Thanks

LostSheep87

Hi there

Have you looked at the houses? You know the area so any advice?

dantheman89

LostSheep87 wrote: »

Hi there

My husband and I went to see Dodderbrook, Ballycullen last weekend. We love the houses. They have been done really well. Neither of us are from Dublin but have been renting here for a few years. At the moment we are in South Co. Dub with a luas line 13 mins away and access to the M50. Dodderbrook will still be close to the M50 but it's in No Man's Land regarding public transport.
This can be gotten over, but is it a nice place to live around there? What are the schools like? There isn't really a village as it's in the middle of a few places so where would people go to socialise?

Thanks

Hey - we bought in Dodderbrook and live in the area. My partner grew up here and we find it fine with plenty of schools, good people and a few decent pubs, cafes etc. around. There is a FB page (Dodderbrook Resudents) set up with a lot of good information

Re public transport.. the local area plan suggests that a bus route (assuming 15b) will extend to the eatate in the future with bus routes currently a 10 min walk away.

Re schools.. there are plenty of schools from a gealscoil, educate together and more traditional schools in the area and plans for another school in the pipeline.

Re socialising.. the Old Mill has good bands on at weekends and has a late bar. Scholars and the Speaker are good too. Their are some ok restaurants in Tallaght too. You are a 5 min drive from the Timbertrove which is a nice cafe overlooking the city and facing the walk up to the helfire club. Plenty of sports clubs in the area wether you are a cyclist, GAA or soccer player. C. 30 euro in a taxi from the city too.

Don't get me wrong there is the odd bit of trouble with stolen cars and theft but I think you will find that in most places! Each person will have their own oppinion but we love it there.

LostSheep87

Thanks for all that great information. We were looking at one of the ones at the front (looking over at the little cottages). Some of that green area looks like it will be kept (beside those cottages) from the LDP but it's kind of hard to tell.

Really glad that you like it. There's always going to be a bit of trouble the odd time, wherever it is. So thanks for your honesty there.

Are the houses easily heated with the air thingy system?

dantheman89

LostSheep87 wrote: »

Thanks for all that great information. We were looking at one of the ones at the front (looking over at the little cottages). Some of that green area looks like it will be kept (beside those cottages) from the LDP but it's kind of hard to tell.

Really glad that you like it. There's always going to be a bit of trouble the odd time, wherever it is. So thanks for your honesty there.

Are the houses easily heated with the air thingy system?

We are not in the house yet but from feedback I have recieved it is a great system and proveides sufficient heat and a good quantity of hot water. My worry is that not many people supply the systems so they may be expensive to fix if something goes wrong.

The cotteges and certainly the houses to the north will not be disturbed as they have been in families for generations. The other end is a different story as the two existing houses will be bought (one already has) and that land developed right down to Hunterswood. I am hearing rumours of an Aldi going in along the road too.

Anyway, best of luck with the house hunting!

Snakeblood

LostSheep87 wrote: »

Thanks for all that great information. We were looking at one of the ones at the front (looking over at the little cottages). Some of that green area looks like it will be kept (beside those cottages) from the LDP but it's kind of hard to tell.

Really glad that you like it. There's always going to be a bit of trouble the odd time, wherever it is. So thanks for your honesty there.

Are the houses easily heated with the air thingy system?

I'm buying on the road at the front, the plans are to build more houses to the south. We live in Firhouse at the moment, and we have a kid in the educate together. THere's a GAA club nearby, the creches are great for kids. I go into Scholars from time to time, and like it well enough. IT's really all good from my perspective. I've lived in the area for five years.

You can download the plans from the south dublin county council website, that will let you know what the development will look like in the end. The dodderbrook residents group on facebook is pretty active at the moment too.

Aph2016

Anyone able to comment on the build quality/workmanship from what they've seen in the show houses?

For example I noticed the outlet pipe on the back of the toilet bowl isn't directly behind the bowl but off to the side, almost seems like someone got their measurements wrong. Few other things I noticed also which wouldn't fill me with confidence.

JohnnyJohnJohns

LostSheep87 wrote: »

Thanks for all that great information. We were looking at one of the ones at the front (looking over at the little cottages). Some of that green area looks like it will be kept (beside those cottages) from the LDP but it's kind of hard to tell.

Really glad that you like it. There's always going to be a bit of trouble the odd time, wherever it is. So thanks for your honesty there.

Are the houses easily heated with the air thingy system?

The council started doing some work on that green space earlier in the year(you can see the vehicle tracks in google maps) and the ESB were in there a couple of months back. There's a turnstile entrance from oakdale and some people walk dogs in there so my guess is that it will be fixed up if/when the council have the capacity to do it.

The 15b coming down the road is a probably a long way off as it requires significant redevelopment to the roads in the area to allow busses turn. (It's a great area for cycling though- paths/lanes for a lot of the route to town)

The heat pump seems good so far and is great for hot water. Our BER cert is A2, the houses are very well insulated so hoping the heat pump won't be on for too long in winter to keep the place warm. Summer electricity bills were about €85 for 2 months with plenty of showers, baths and using the dryer more than we probably should have been!

Re: build quality and workmanship. This is a strange one as I would say the build quality is really good, good materials used and well thought out. Workmanship leaves a fair bit to be desired with some fairly mediocre finishes, we snagged a lot of there but still some minor gripes. We looked at some other new builds in and around the area and this seems par for the course so it's acceptable if not ideal. No management company is a big plus for us too. Overall we're extremely happy with the house- it's very comfortable, bright, spacious and definitely feels like home.

As mentioned there's a residents Facebook group for those who've bought in the estate and it's great to see how helpful everyone is!

witchgirl26

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

No management company is a big plus for us too.

Just wondering about this - if there's no management company does that mean there's no management fee? If there is, about how much is it?

Myself and my partner have been looking at Dodderbrook but weren't in a position with this phase and all the 3 beds are gone now (boo). On a wait list but unlikely to get anything so will be phase 3 if anything probably but making sure we have all our ducks in a row & understanding all about it. We live in the area at the moment so quite happy with that aspect at least

dantheman89

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Just wondering about this - if there's no management company does that mean there's no management fee? If there is, about how much is it?

Myself and my partner have been looking at Dodderbrook but weren't in a position with this phase and all the 3 beds are gone now (boo). On a wait list but unlikely to get anything so will be phase 3 if anything probably but making sure we have all our ducks in a row & understanding all about it. We live in the area at the moment so quite happy with that aspect at least

Only a managemebt fee on the apartments that will be in the middle of the eatate but don't know how much and when they well be released.

68 lost souls

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Just wondering about this - if there's no management company does that mean there's no management fee? If there is, about how much is it?

Myself and my partner have been looking at Dodderbrook but weren't in a position with this phase and all the 3 beds are gone now (boo). On a wait list but unlikely to get anything so will be phase 3 if anything probably but making sure we have all our ducks in a row & understanding all about it. We live in the area at the moment so quite happy with that aspect at least

No management company so no management fees. No one that I know of canceled in phase 1 unfortunately as we were on the wait list ourselves, not surprised the 3 beds went in this phase so quick as there were only 7 available. Should be at least 10 in phase 3 but I would suspect the price will go up even more by then jsut so you can look at a mortgage approval for higher than they were in phase 2 just in case.

intheclouds

On the management fees - I noticed it said on the planning documents that it was to be handed over to the council but the council raised a query/objection on this and further documents published do not enlighten the situation.

A local estate agent told me she doesnt see how Mick Whelan can get away with no management estate given the MUD Act - however if you do a bit of research there is an article in one of the law society journals by a barrister stating that in his opinion traditional type estates did not fall under MUD - but that it was unclear from the legislation whether or not that was really the case.

For anyone who is considering buying there id want to nail down the councils response on this - get it in writing if you can.

JohnnyJohnJohns

intheclouds wrote: »

On the management fees - I noticed it said on the planning documents that it was to be handed over to the council but the council raised a query/objection on this and further documents published do not enlighten the situation.

A local estate agent told me she doesnt see how Mick Whelan can get away with no management estate given the MUD Act - however if you do a bit of research there is an article in one of the law society journals by a barrister stating that in his opinion traditional type estates did not fall under MUD - but that it was unclear from the legislation whether or not that was really the case.

For anyone who is considering buying there id want to nail down the councils response on this - get it in writing if you can.

Mentioned this to the solicitor prior to closing but he said it was all in order to be handed over to the council on completion.

intheclouds

JohnnyJohnJohns wrote: »

Mentioned this to the solicitor prior to closing but he said it was all in order to be handed over to the council on completion.

Cool - when I checked the planning docs it was still an unanswered query - it may well have changed since then.

Mick Whelan certainly applied for that - but whether or not the council granted it was not apparent when I investigated.

Snakeblood

intheclouds wrote: »

Cool - when I checked the planning docs it was still an unanswered query - it may well have changed since then.

Mick Whelan certainly applied for that - but whether or not the council granted it was not apparent when I investigated.

I'm the same. We signed up, but we don't know what the resolution will be for that. Our solicitor advised us to be careful but we have little option

Snakeblood

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD14A/0180&type=Applications&dateoptions=any&area=0&keywordtype=RegRef&term=SD14A/0180
That's the SDCC link

That's the bit that seems relevant about the taking in charge by the council:


From the MUD act:
First bit defining multi unit:

“multi-unit development” means a development being land on which there stands erected a building or buildings comprising a unit or units and that—

(a) as respects such units it is intended that amenities, facilities and services are to be shared, and

(b) subject to section 2 (1), the development contains not less than 5 residential units;

Second bit- Seems to apply to everyone.

(5) Except where otherwise provided, this Act applies to every multi-unit development.

Third bit- An owners' management company must be put in place:

3.— (1) A person to whom this section applies shall not, after the coming into operation of this section, transfer his or her interest in a residential unit in a multi-unit development to which this section applies unless—

(a) an owners’ management company has been established at the expense of the developer of the multi-unit development concerned,