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My Log on the Run

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Welcome back :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Friday
    4.1 miles @ 9:14m/m recovery
    Easy run before work, legs felt fine.

    Sunday
    11.3 miles @ 8.22m/m
    A big improvement on last weeks long run but I still faded over the last couple of miles but I put that down to the increased mileage and 3 faster miles in the middle of the run and maybe the heat was also a factor.

    33.8 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Great to see you back training and building back up the miles. I've had similar experiences with long runs after a break. The only advice I can give is maybe slow down a bit especially in the heat. (I'm saying this full aware that it's advice I probably didn't heed myself!). You'll still get the miles under your belt. Or even run them very easy to start off and then just pick up the pace a bit towards the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Great to see you back training and building back up the miles. I've had similar experiences with long runs after a break. The only advice I can give is maybe slow down a bit especially in the heat. (I'm saying this full aware that it's advice I probably didn't heed myself!). You'll still get the miles under your belt. Or even run them very easy to start off and then just pick up the pace a bit towards the end.



    You are right I should slow down the long runs and overall I should probably be more patient and not try to rush back to full fitness but thankfully I do feel the fitness improving weekly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭denis b


    Great to see you back training and building back up the miles. I've had similar experiences with long runs after a break. The only advice I can give is maybe slow down a bit especially in the heat. (I'm saying this full aware that it's advice I probably didn't heed myself!). You'll still get the miles under your belt. Or even run them very easy to start off and then just pick up the pace a bit towards the end.

    Spot on HBS. Had the very same experience last weekend L. No excuses this weekend though :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Monday
    5 miles @ 9:07m/m recovery
    Nice recovery run along the canal to Milltown very warm though.

    Wednesday
    7.2 miles @ 8:11m/m
    I went out for this run straight from work and it was roasting out there, it was the hottest day of the year after all. I had planned on doing some strides but I didnt bother because of the heat.

    Friday
    5 miles @ 8:56m/m recovery.
    Dropped jake jr off at GAA training and headed out my usual route to Robertstown and back, did 6 x 100m strides on the way back.

    Saturday
    10 miles @ 8:59m/m
    Similar run to 2 weeks ago this run was a slog right from the start. Legs were stiff and recovery pace was all I could manage. Very frustrating run.

    Sunday
    Coil Dubh 5k: 20:32
    I signed up for this local race during the week as an incentive to kick start some speed work into my training. It is 10 weeks since my last race and I had done no speed work in that time either apart from some strides in the last few weeks so I wasnt expecting to much from this espeacially after yesterdays run. I had set myself a target of sub 21 mins and I was happy to come in at 20:32. The splits were 6:29, 6:36 and 6:42(45 secs). It was a good workout and at the end I felt that I could have given more as I never reached that pain that I would normally get in a flat out 5k.
    5.4 miles including warm up and cool down.

    32.6 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Nice comeback L, glad to see things going in the right direction :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Nice comeback L, glad to see things going in the right direction :)



    Unfortunately the comeback is short lived A. I had an appointment booked with the Physical therapist for today just for a massage for my tired and stiff legs and I mentioned to him that my right Achilles tendon was very tender to touch but it was alright when walking or running. He took one look at it and told me that it was very badly inflamed, he treated it(serious pain) and then told me no running for 2 weeks and then to very slowly build back up the miles as rushing back from the previous injury is probably what caused this injury.
    Plenty of stretching and foam rolling of the calf to add to all the stretching, foam rolling and squats that I am already doing. If that list gets any longer I wont have any time to run.
    So regards future races that I had planned, Roscommon 10 mile in 2 weeks and Tullamore half in August are off. I wasnt sure about running DCM as I felt that I am not where I would like to be fitness wise and so this latest setback means that there will be no marathon for me this year.
    As soon as I get back running injury free I will set new targets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that and just as things were going well for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Ah no, sorry to hear. Sounds like you're being sensible (as usual!).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Aw crap :( sorry to hear that. The *good* thing is that now you've decided no DCM you can take your time and build back up slowly without putting any pressure on yourself and maybe just go out and run for enjoyment once you're allowed back on the road :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭denis b


    So sorry to hear that your plans have to change L. Sounds as though you will be back in action sooner than later with a different horizon. Stay sane and recover.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    Really sorry to hear that, take your time and recover well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Sorry to hear that L, that's a good spot from your Physio and saved you a possible nasty major injury (my brother's Achilles just exploded during a hurling match on Sunday)...12 weeks in a cast ahead for him following surgery in the morning. Hope the exercises do the job for you and you can get back to your routine soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Neady83 wrote: »
    Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that and just as things were going well for you.

    Thanks Neady, hopefully its only a short break.
    Singer wrote: »
    Ah no, sorry to hear. Sounds like you're being sensible (as usual!).
    HaHa, maybe I should listen to my sensible self as it was only last week when I said that I was rushing my last recovery.
    denis b wrote: »
    So sorry to hear that your plans have to change L. Sounds as though you will be back in action sooner than later with a different horizon. Stay sane and recover.
    New plans already forming.
    Aw crap :( sorry to hear that. The *good* thing is that now you've decided no DCM you can take your time and build back up slowly without putting any pressure on yourself and maybe just go out and run for enjoyment once you're allowed back on the road :)
    No DCM definitely takes the pressure off.
    Kennyg71 wrote: »
    Really sorry to hear that, take your time and recover well.
    Will do, 2 injuries in 10 weeks I want to get it right this time.
    diego_b wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that L, that's a good spot from your Physio and saved you a possible nasty major injury (my brother's Achilles just exploded during a hurling match on Sunday)...12 weeks in a cast ahead for him following surgery in the morning. Hope the exercises do the job for you and you can get back to your routine soon.
    Sorry to hear about your brother, that is a nasty one. When I got home from the Physio I checked out Achilles injuries with Dr. Google and ruptured Achilles came up, I was happy to settle for 2 weeks of no running.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    I'm of the same mind about the time it takes to do the blo**y strengthening and stretching :rolleyes:. Sorry to hear the bad news but you're being wise.

    I have DCM taken off my list recently too, you're not alone ... looks like it'll be sold out way too soon to allow any dithering anyhow!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Bummer L only catching up hope you get back running soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Time for an update.

    Week beginning 10th of July: 4 runs of 3, 3.4, 3.7 and 4.1 miles

    Week beginning 17th of July: 4 runs of 3.5, 3.9, 4.2 and 4.5 miles

    Week beginning 24th of July: 3 runs of 4, 4.3 and 4.5 miles

    I ran all the above along the same route, on grass and at recovery pace I am slowly losing the will to run:D I ice the achilles after every run and it seems to be on the mend but I havent really stressed it yet.
    This week I will integrate some time on the road back into my runs and depending on how that goes I will look to inject a bit of pace back into my running.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    completely missed that you were off injured and that DCM is off , sorry to hear that L. Good solid recovery and you'll be back in no time.

    PS Donadea 50k entry opened yesterday!!!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Younganne wrote: »
    completely missed that you were off injured and that DCM is off , sorry to hear that L. Good solid recovery and you'll be back in no time.

    PS Donadea 50k entry opened yesterday!!!;)

    I seen that and with no DCM getting in the way of training this would be the ideal time to do it. I had sort of decided to write off this year, give my auld body a break then bounce back next year and give DCM a good rattle. I am very tempted though:confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,491 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Hang in there L - progress is progress. Not sure if jumping into a 50k is best long term plan though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Hang in there L - progress is progress. Not sure if jumping into a 50k is best long term plan though!



    You are right D and I wont be running Donadea but with no target race to focus on this leads to distractions such as Donadea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Tuesday
    4.5 miles @ 8:47m/m

    Thursday
    4.7 miles @ 8:43m/m

    Friday
    4.9 miles @ 8:59m/m

    Saturday
    5.1 miles @ 9:11m/m

    Similar pace as last weeks runs, this week I added some time on the road. On Tuesday and Wednesday I ran 1.4 miles on the road, Friday 3.5 miles and 2.9 miles on Saturday. Even though I iced the Achilles after every run it was a bit tender on Saturday evening but it is probably due to being back running on the road and running 3 days in a row certainly didn't help. The Achilles still needs to be managed and I will be keeping an eye it but I think that I am making progress.

    19.2 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Tuesday
    5.1 miles @ 8:23m/m
    Ran all this on the road, Achilles ok

    Thursday
    5.5 miles @ 8:06m/m
    1.4 miles on the road the rest on grass.
    Decided to inject a bit of pace into this run all went well till I got back on the road with .7 of a mile left to run and I could feel a bit of a pull in my lower calf/Achilles area. I iced it straight after the run and it is grand this morning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Softly softly catchy monkey.....I'd say it's hard not to get frustrated but as you said, you're making progress. Keep it going now....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Saturday
    5 miles @ 9:03m/m
    A recovery run after Thursdays speedy:) run, 3.6 miles on grass

    Sunday
    6.2 miles @8:16m/m
    More of the same only a bit further and a bit quicker.

    21.8 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Good to see you making your way back L!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    healy1835 wrote: »
    Softly softly catchy monkey.....I'd say it's hard not to get frustrated but as you said, you're making progress. Keep it going now....
    annapr wrote: »
    Good to see you making your way back L!


    Progress is slow but that is deliberate as I am no rush. The plan is to build up a good base over the coming months and get back to consistently running 30/40 miles per week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Hang in there L - progress is progress. Not sure if jumping into a 50k is best long term plan though!
    jake1970 wrote: »
    You are right D and I wont be running Donadea but with no target race to focus on this leads to distractions such as Donadea.
    jake1970 wrote: »
    Progress is slow but that is deliberate as I am no rush. The plan is to build up a good base over the coming months and get back to consistently running 30/40 miles per week.

    All perfect reasons to go for Donadea.:D
    You are doing the right thing regarding your recovery, but with no DCM in the plan, now is the perfect time to build towards Donadea. There is no interruption along the way and you have lots of time to get the perfect training done.. . . just my opinion though!!!:D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    jake1970 wrote: »
    Progress is slow but that is deliberate as I am no rush. The plan is to build up a good base over the coming months and get back to consistently running 30/40 miles per week.

    That sounds like an extremely sensible option - Donadea will be there in future years, it's not going anywhere - if we say 'respect the distance' when we talk about the marathon 50K demands even more respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Younganne wrote: »
    All perfect reasons to go for Donadea.:D
    You are doing the right thing regarding your recovery, but with no DCM in the plan, now is the perfect time to build towards Donadea. There is no interruption along the way and you have lots of time to get the perfect training done.. . . just my opinion though!!!:D



    This time around would be a good time to do Donadea but it just doesnt fit into my plans for 2018. The reason that I have failed to make the start line for the previous 2 Donadea races is because it takes me so long to recover from DCM that I cant get the proper training done in time for a 50k. So if I assume the recovery will be just as long after the 50k then that would really upset my plan for next year. I will run Donadea sometime in the future but I will go and support you in 2018:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Tuesday
    5.7 miles @ 8:19m/m

    Thursday
    6.3 miles @ 8:28m/m

    Friday
    4.6 miles @ 9:06m/m

    Sunday
    6.5 miles @ 8:46m/m

    All runs this week where on the road and happy to say that there was no complaints from the Achilles but the legs where quite tired which is probably from being back on the roads.
    From this week on I will start to increase the long runs and hopefully I might start hitting some decent weekly mileage soon.

    23.1 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭denis b


    Building up very nicely there J. Good to see that this log has some consistency. Enjoy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    denis b wrote: »
    Building up very nicely there J. Good to see that this log has some consistency. Enjoy.

    Thanks D. This log will hopefully be boringly consistent over the next few months, fair play to anyone who continues to read it:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Monday
    3.7 miles @ 9:10m/m recovery run.

    Wednesday
    6.4 miles @ 8:03m/m
    Dropped Jake jr to soccer training and headed off for a run along a route which happens to be a lap of the EOI Staplestown marathon route. The route has a few long drags so I was happy that I was able to maintain a decent pace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Thursday
    4.2 miles @ 9:07m/m
    Out and back recovery run.

    Friday
    5.2 miles @8:03m/m
    Dropped the kids to GAA training and I headed out along the canal to Robertstown and back. After a slow start I upped the pace and I managed to get 2 miles at sub 8 min pace, that doesnt seem like much but it is progress.

    Sunday
    7.3 miles @ 8:22m/m
    Lovely morning for a run but it did get very warm by the time I had finished.

    This was the first week in a long time that I managed to get 5 runs in for the week. No problems to report.
    26.8 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Tuesday
    6.2 miles @ 8:00m/m
    I managed to get 3 miles in at sub 8 min pace(7:46, 7:36 and 7:43m/m) on this run. It was nice to up the pace for a change and I will include this type of run into my weekly training from now on.

    Wednesday
    4.3 miles @ 9:00m/m recovery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Thursday
    6 miles @ 8:14m/m
    I had planned on adding some strides on this run but my Achilles was a bit tender so I didnt bother. I am probably being to cautious but the main thing is to get back running consistently.

    Saturday
    4.2 miles @ 9:13m/m Recovery pace

    Sunday
    8.1 miles @ 8:14m/m
    Out and back route, I managed to avoid the rain but it was very humid.
    Legs were a little bit tired by the end of the run.

    28.8 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Your making great progress and you're right to be cautious for now anyway. Fair play for doing the sensible thing and building back up slowly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    I've been reading up on your log as much as possible over the last few days and have learned a lot. Thanks ! I've spent the bulk of this year improving 5k and 10k times. I'm at the stage now where I'm not sure whether to stick with improving those times or to move up to half/full marathon. The fear I have is that as I get older (currently 36) I'll slow down and the chance to achieve those fast 5k/10k times will have passed me by. The question I have is, did you find the marathon training has impacted your shorter distance (5k/10k) times? I couldn't see from your log whether they did or not and you seemed to be at a similar level to me before DCM 2016 (I think).

    Thanks again for the great log. It's definitely one I will use as a reference when I do bite the bullet and do a full marathon.

    P.S apologies for hijacking your log......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Your making great progress and you're right to be cautious for now anyway. Fair play for doing the sensible thing and building back up slowly.



    Thanks hbs. I am very happy with my progress so far and I am more than a little surprised at how sensible I am being but its all about the main thing which is to hopefully have an injury free 2018.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    I've been reading up on your log as much as possible over the last few days and have learned a lot. Thanks ! I've spent the bulk of this year improving 5k and 10k times. I'm at the stage now where I'm not sure whether to stick with improving those times or to move up to half/full marathon. The fear I have is that as I get older (currently 36) I'll slow down and the chance to achieve those fast 5k/10k times will have passed me by. The question I have is, did you find the marathon training has impacted your shorter distance (5k/10k) times? I couldn't see from your log whether they did or not and you seemed to be at a similar level to me before DCM 2016 (I think).

    Thanks again for the great log. It's definitely one I will use as a reference when I do bite the bullet and do a full marathon.

    P.S apologies for hijacking your log......


    Hi Swashbuckler thanks for taking the time to read my log.
    The short answer to your question is yes I do feel that marathon training has impacted my shorter distance times but the reason is not because marathon training slows me down but it is because I prioritise marathon training over the other distances.
    Ideally I try to set up my year of running like this, I start off the year training for a spring half marathon then its on to 5/10k training and then carry that speed training into a 12 week specific marathon plan in the autumn. If I PB over the shorter distances well and good but its all about being sharp heading into marathon training.
    This year hasnt gone to plan but the previous 2 years went very much to plan. Next year it will be more of the same but I know that if I want to hit my marathon target I am going to have to embrace the pain of 5/10k trainingfrown.png to achieve this.


    With regards to slowing down as you get older have no fear, if you train hard and smart your times will continue to improve over all distances for years to come, after all you are still only a young fellowsmile.png. I am 47 now and I will be very disappointed if I dont take chunks off all my PBs over the coming years.
    Best of luck with your training, enjoy and start a log here so we can keep an eye on you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    jake1970 wrote: »
    Hi Swashbuckler thanks for taking the time to read my log.
    The short answer to your question is yes I do feel that marathon training has impacted my shorter distance times but the reason is not because marathon training slows me down but it is because I prioritise marathon training over the other distances.
    Ideally I try to set up my year of running like this, I start off the year training for a spring half marathon then its on to 5/10k training and then carry that speed training into a 12 week specific marathon plan in the autumn. If I PB over the shorter distances well and good but its all about being sharp heading into marathon training.
    This year hasnt gone to plan but the previous 2 years went very much to plan. Next year it will be more of the same but I know that if I want to hit my marathon target I am going to have to embrace the pain of 5/10k trainingfrown.png to achieve this.


    With regards to slowing down as you get older have no fear, if you train hard and smart your times will continue to improve over all distances for years to come, after all you are still only a young fellowsmile.png. I am 47 now and I will be very disappointed if I dont take chunks off all my PBs over the coming years.
    Best of luck with your training, enjoy and start a log here so we can keep an eye on you.

    Thanks for the response. That's really useful info and seems like a good way to break up the year. I guess I'm at a crossroads on what to do so I'll need to decide over the coming months. The temptation to move up to the full is definitely there for me. I might take an approach similar to yours and split up the year.

    I'll continue to follow your log with interest. I have set up a log this week actually - The Day That Never Comes. Training is a bit up in the air at the moment as my wife and I are expecting our first arrival and I promised no races for the next few months so I have no real target race in mind!

    Thanks again. Best of luck with the training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Monday
    4.3 miles @ 9:07m/m Recovery pace

    Tuesday
    6.4 miles @ 7:33 m/m
    Soccer training for jake jr and for me its a lap of the Staplestown marathon route. Even though this was my fastest paced run in 10 weeks I felt comfortable throughout, maybe its a sign that I am starting to regain some fitness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Thursday
    6.3 miles @ 8:17m/m with 5 x 100m strides
    I decided to reintroduce strides into my training. I was a bit nervous about this as I thought the strides might be a bit much for the achilles but happy to report all went well.

    Friday
    5 mile @ 9:04m/m recovery.

    Sunday
    9.5 miles @ 8:18m/m
    Nice steady long run.

    31.5 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Monday
    5 miles @ 9:03m/m recovery

    Tuesday
    6.6 miles @ 7:47m/m
    The plan was to run a few quick miles just to do something different. I started out with a warm up mile and then ran 2 fast miles @ 7:01 and 7:08 and then a mile recovery followed by another fast mile @ 7:06m/m and I finished off with a cool down of 1.6 miles. Probably not the smartest workout to be doing at the moment but it was an enjoyable one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Thursday
    6.5 miles @ 7:59m/m
    Struggled a bit to maintain pace and was sweating loads even though it was cool out.

    Sunday
    10 miles @ 8:20m/m
    I was meant to do a recovery run on Friday but I had picked up a tummy bug so that meant no running till today. I started out on a short loop that would bring me back by my house just in case I had any issues after the tummy bug but after a couple of easy miles I continued on my way. It was nice to get 10 miles done, its has been 12 weeks since I have hit double figures on a run.

    28.1 miles for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Monday
    5 miles @ 9:07m/m
    I had to charge up the headlamp for this run as it was 9pm by the time I got out, no luxury of street lighting around these country roads.

    Tuesday
    6.4 miles @ 8:00m/m
    Another Tuesday and another run around the Staplestown route while Jake jr was soccer training. Not as comfortable a run as it was 2 weeks ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Friday
    4.7 miles @ 8:57m/m

    Saturday
    4.2 miles @ 8:49m/m

    Sunday
    6.2 miles @ 8:44m/m

    On Wednesday I was getting a short sharpe pain in my Achilles and it was the same on Thursday so I booked an appointment with the Physio for Friday. He diagnosed a mild Achilles Tendinopathy, so lots more streching but the good news is I can keep running as long as I am pain free when running.

    26.5 miles for the week


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭denis b


    jake1970 wrote: »
    Friday
    4.7 miles @ 8:57m/m

    Saturday
    4.2 miles @ 8:49m/m

    Sunday
    6.2 miles @ 8:44m/m

    On Wednesday I was getting a short sharpe pain in my Achilles and it was the same on Thursday so I booked an appointment with the Physio for Friday. He diagnosed a mild Achilles Tendinopathy, so lots more streching but the good news is I can keep running as long as I am pain free when running.

    26.5 miles for the week


    Whew....last few words took the sting out of that post. Did the Achilles behave at the weekend?


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