Easter 1916 celebrations are brainwashed nonsense

Willfarman

Nodin wrote: »

...on horses. Never forget the horses.

Oh always on horses wearing red Blazers!

RobertKK

1916 does nothing for me, I believe we would eventually have got independence without 1916, and maybe on an all Ireland basis.

Lisacatlover

[Deleted User] wrote: »

and is downright dangerous..............to hell with 1916 and the Easter celebrations. It really is a celebration of unelected, unaccountable, self appointed extremists who decided to take over the city at a time when political engagement and representation was ongoing. If a group of people did that today because they didnt like how the country was run how would or how should they be dealt with?

Maybe that would be right when you consider the banking debt etc and maybe the people of 1916 were right (history has shown they were) but celebrating this kind of thing has unintended consequences. To hell with the blood sacrifice crap. Ireland could very well be a united republic today if it werent for 1916. India pulled it off, Scotland had the option. How many people would have lived? How would our infrastructure be? Maybe there would have been a north - south civil war. Maybe that would have been a better outcome than an Anglo Irish war and following civil war. We dont know the answers to any of this. But we do know that an independent Ireland without the north has, mostly, been the cause of deaths in conflicts north and south of the border, a kind of home rule is Rome rule truth with dire consequences regarding child abuse, corruption as bad as some of British/Anglo Irish rule, massive emigration and real poverty until recent decades.

1916 celebrations are flawed. The day of the first Dail is what should be celebrated or else the date of the elections themselves. But people in Ireland are brainwashed from an early age and cant seem to see past it. If the past 100 years had of been a peaceful transition to independence that included the North then the addition of northern politicians may not be a bad add to the mix**. Couldnt be any worse could it?

** this assumes a different type of politician that conflict and prejudice in the north over the last 100 years bred.

Its equally possible that 1916 was the worst thing to happen Ireland in the last 100 years. And I definitely do not care for the nonsense and outright disgusting notion that heads of state should be born into it as per the British monarchy. I`m 100% republican. That probably messes with some shinnerbots heads.

Any other boardsies think celebrating 1916 is flawed?

Hey. Welcome to Ireland. You must be new here. Look, here's the deal. Any excuse for a party. That's it. That's the whole system. I mean, look... life is life. You basically have to run around and try to consume energy like this big human shaped pacman/pacwoman /pacnongenderpacific dying eating machine. So sometimes you have to just let off steam. And choose any reason you want. It's like AA , chose your own initiation of God.
But we're having a party . Go **** yourself.

conorhal

RobertKK wrote: »

1916 does nothing for me, I believe we would eventually have got independence without 1916, and maybe on an all Ireland basis.

I'm sure the UVF loyalists signing the Ulster Covenent in blood would disagree with the latter, as for the former, I suspect that but for 1916, right now we'd be Wales only slightly $h1ttier......

bnt

Nodin wrote: »

Sorry. People forget who the real victims are sometimes.

No idea what you mean by that. I was just making that point that Dublin would have been low on the list of Whitehall's priorities at the time. The Easter Rebellion is considered a pivotal event in the history of Ireland, but you can not say it was pivotal, or even important, in the history of the UK. The Brits who came over to stomp on the Rebellion would not have been their best and brightest, to put it politely. The result was not the British Empire's finest hour, but you have to ask: did they give a damn then, or do they now?

Nodin

bnt wrote: »

No idea what you mean by that. I was just making that point that Dublin would have been low on the list of Whitehall's priorities at the time. The Easter Rebellion is considered a pivotal event in the history of Ireland, but you can not say it was pivotal, or even important, in the history of the UK. The Brits who came over to stomp on the Rebellion would not have been their best and brightest, to put it politely. The result was not the British Empire's finest hour, but you have to ask: did they give a damn then, or do they now?

....they gave a damn in the sense that losing an island that close would be seen as a strategic problem, yes. Now its a rather different world so that doesn't arise. As to what the mass of the british public think I doubt any of them have a clue it happened, or that they are particularily aware of other rebellions in other countries - certainly 20 years ago or so they weren't, though hopefully there may have been some change.

It's said that a surprising number, for instance, view the Empire in a good light, but the question must be asked as to what exactly they know about it - is the narrative of the paternal mission to bring civilisation to the world trotted out?

beach_walker

bnt wrote: »

The Brits who came over to stomp on the Rebellion would not have been their best and brightest, to put it politely.

Do you have anything to base this on??

The Brits had 400 troops available on Easter Monday, by Friday they had "18-20,000 soldiers" flooded into the capital. Not to mention the police, Helga etc. Did they give a damn... I can't honestly believe that's even being asked tbh. The history and facts speak for themselves.

topper75

VinLieger wrote: »

What hindsight was required to know that Home Rule had simply been postponed till after the war?

None.

But how blind would one be to throw out words like 'simply postponed' and completely ignore the Ulster Volunteer Force.

Don't ever forget that some people signed the Ulster Solemn League and Covenant and then pricked their fingers to add a bloody print on top of the signature.

There was a damn good reason that particular can was being kicked down the road eternally in Westminster.

sdanseo

flas wrote: »

You are very very flawed in any understanding of Irish history in the last 120 years,so much so its actually frightening...

BTW our biggest loss from 1916 was Connelly and his progressive thinking...

Yes you can't even spell his name.

Sad as it is, our biggest GAIN from 1916 was the deaths of the leaders. Whatever their political ideaology (someone mentioned cuba and communism and I don't think they'd have been far off that) - in 1916 they gave up their lives knowing that the reaction to their actions and likely deaths would bring the country to arms.

Ultimately, it worked, except for the North.

That is what we commemorate. Not their socialist policies.

A Dub in Glasgo

Such revisionism from the OP is unreal

goose2005

maudgonner wrote: »

There were some bizarre bits of the 1966 commemoration too though. RTE Archives have a clip of the pageant that was held in Croke Park - I posted it in the Rebellion thread of the TV forum and the consensus was that it's a cross between an Olympics opening ceremony and a German 1930s rally

Only if the only bit of history you know is the Nazi bit. It's just a military rally, you could find similar in any country.

Junkyard Tom

The Backwards Man wrote: »

If we're going to commemorate futile exercises where people died needlessly ... the Somme in 1916

The Somme gets commemorated every year on poppy day week month. Those killed at the Somme aren't derided as 'foolish', 'ideologues', 'dreamers' or 'victims'. No, you see, they were 'brave' and 'virtuous' and 'gave up their lives' because they died in service of an Empire namely the British Empire.

Oh and the 1916 Rising was not futile. The 1916 Rising achieved more towards Irish freedom in a few weeks than actions towards those ends in the previous few centuries.

kingchess

bnt wrote: »

No idea what you mean by that. I was just making that point that Dublin would have been low on the list of Whitehall's priorities at the time. The Easter Rebellion is considered a pivotal event in the history of Ireland, but you can not say it was pivotal, or even important, in the history of the UK. The Brits who came over to stomp on the Rebellion would not have been their best and brightest, to put it politely. The result was not the British Empire's finest hour, but you have to ask: did they give a damn then, or do they now?

You would think it would be important in UK history,after all it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland-we were all supposed to be equal members-equal to Scotland, Wales and England(in theory anyway)and you would think that if you lost around a sixth of your territory it should pop up in conversation now and again? And when Ireland broke free the days of the Empire were numbered-after all if they could not hold on to one of the so called home nations how could they hold on to the likes of India?

bnt

beach_walker wrote: »

Do you have anything to base this on??

The Brits had 400 troops available on Easter Monday, by Friday they had "18-20,000 soldiers" flooded into the capital. Not to mention the police, Helga etc. Did they give a damn... I can't honestly believe that's even being asked tbh. The history and facts speak for themselves.

By "they" I meant Prime Minister H.H. Asquith and other senior figures at Whitehall, including what would later that year become the War Cabinet. With all that was going on in France, how much time did they spend pondering what to do with Ireland, in April 1916?

The troops that were sent to Dublin were the 8th, 9th & 10th Cavalry Reserve Regiments, stationed at the Curragh under the command of Brigadier-General William Lowe. The Brigade was a mixture of Cavalry regiments of different strengths and readiness states. This is what "Reserve" means - troops not up for the front line at that time.

Some had already seen service in the War and were in Reserve to train and replenish their ranks with new recruits. For example, the 4th & 8th Hussars were in France before the end of 1914 and had suffered signifcant casualties, including being gassed. On the other hand, the 3/1st Westmorland and Cumberland Yeomanry were in Ireland for the whole war and never saw front line action. A real mix of good and not-so-good soldiers, basically.

Wikipedia (which cites its sources) describes them here:

Despite being training and not combat formations, several were involved in the putting down of the Easter Rising in Dublin in April 1916. A little after noon on Easter Monday, a mixed troop of 9th and 12th Lancers, attached to the 6th Cavalry Reserve Regiment at Marlborough Barracks in Phoenix Park, was dispatched to investigate a "disturbance" at Dublin Castle.[3] As they cantered down Sackville Street, they were fired upon by rebels who had taken up positions in and on the roof of the General Post Office. Three troopers were killed instantly and one was mortally wounded, becoming the first military casualties of the rising. The same evening, 1600 men of the 3rd Reserve Cavalry Brigade (consisting of the 8th, 9th and 10th Cavalry Reserve Regiments) arrived from their barracks at the Curragh to support the local Dublin garrison.[4]

RandomName2

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The Somme gets commemorated every year on poppy day week month. Those killed at the Somme aren't derided as 'foolish', 'ideologues', 'dreamers' or 'victims'. No, you see, they were 'brave' and 'virtuous' and 'gave up their lives' because they died in service of an Empire namely the British Empire.

Oh Jesus H Christ. Nobody in Ireland says that those led to the slaughter at the Somme were 'brave' or 'virtuous'. We say that they died in vain at the whims of leaders who behaved like idiots: throwing men into the lines of machine guns, and forced across scorched earth under the bombardment of massed artillery. The Irish that volunteered did so in good faith: some to back the IPP, some to back Ireland's foundling statehood, some for small nations, and some, no doubt, for adventure. It was a tragic loss.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Oh and the 1916 Rising was not futile. The 1916 Rising achieved more towards Irish freedom in a few weeks than actions towards those ends in the previous few centuries.

No it didn't. It was pushing at an open door with a jar of nitroglycerine.

darkpagandeath

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Junkyard Tom

RandomName2 wrote: »

Nobody in Ireland says that those led to the slaughter at the Somme were 'brave' or 'virtuous'. We say that they died in vain at the whims of leaders who behaved like idiots: throwing men into the lines of machine guns, and forced across scorched earth under the bombardment of massed artillery.

There are plenty who do. In Britain you wouldn't have much of a career in mainstream journalism if you kept pushing those 'died in vain at the behest of idiots' themes. Conversely, here, you can make a career out of calling those who set in motion the chain of events that led to our (by no means inevitable) Republic 'terrorists'.

No it didn't.

It demonstrably did.

It was pushing at an open door with a jar of nitroglycerine.

It's a pity it was a barrel of nitroglycerine.

Fratton Fred

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

There are plenty who do. In Britain you wouldn't have much of a career in mainstream journalism if you kept pushing those 'died in vain at the behest of idiots' themes.

You've never heard the widely used phrase "lions led by donkies", or watched a single episode of Blackadder goes forth then?

beach_walker

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You've never heard the widely used phrase "lions led by donkies", or watched a single episode of Blackadder goes forth then?

Fair point. I would say though that you never, ever hear people saying Remembrance Day shouldn't be well remembered, or actively loathing the idea to the level you get in Ireland re the Rising from certain quarters. Actually outside of the usual right-on student types, I've never heard such an opinion from an ordinary person (I'm living in Scotland).

Fratton Fred

beach_walker wrote: »

Fair point. I would say though that you never, ever hear people saying Remembrance Day shouldn't be well remembered, or actively loathing the idea to the level you get in Ireland re the Rising from certain quarters. Actually outside of the usual right-on student types, I've never heard such an opinion from an ordinary person (I'm living in Scotland).

Probably not in Britain, no.

fwiw, I find it odd people wouldn't want to commemorate the 1916 uprising, but I would guess that is as much to do with the actions of the self righteous little Irelanders than it is to do with the actions of Pearse et al.

KingBrian2

Well I for one honour those brave volunteers all 74 of them who died to bring Ireland freedom. 58 who died in armed battle and the 16 leaders who were subsequently executed with them.

esforum

Jesus Christ this thread is sad and a bad indictment of the modern era.

That is all

KingBrian2

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esforum wrote: »

Jesus Christ this thread is sad and a bad indictment of the modern era.

That is all

People have their own opinions. Even if they are bad ones.

riffmongous

So much Home Rule talk and no one mentioned the Curragh Mutiny

tomwaterford

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You've never heard the widely used phrase "lions led by donkies", or watched a single episode of Blackadder goes forth then?

Black adder is mainstream media :pac:


While people talk of the rising as futile...waste of life etc....while simultaneously in Europe their were literally millions on both sides in Europe being killed

byhookorbycrook

I'm not brainwashed, there, I said it.

The John Bruton line, trotted out by several people in this thread, that the Home Rule promised in the 1912 Home Rule Bill was merely "postponed" and that the Rising was therefore unnecessary, has been exposed by Ronan Fanning (most recently) as a myth.

No professional historian of the period would support Bruton's widely discredited claim. Check the relevant articles by Ronan Fanning, Diarmaid Ferriter, and Brian Hanley in The Irish Times since 2014, for summaries of why Bruton is frankly dishonest. The Fanning article in particular is a caustic attack on Bruton's myth-making attempts at rehabilitating John Redmond.

Fanning notes, in particular, that before Redmond made his infamous 1914 speech in Woodenbridge encouraging Irishmen to use violence to achieve the political aims of the British Empire in WW 1, he had secretly agreed to overthrow the Home Rule Bill of 1912 by agreeing to the partition of Ireland. Redmond never publicly admitted this, and certainly not when he encouraged Irishmen to die for the British Empire telling them they'd get the Home Rule that was promised in 1912. By "postponing" (sic) Home Rule, Redmond extended his own political career because if people knew he had actually agreed in 1914 to the partition of Ireland, and thus the all-Ireland Home Rule which was promised in 1912 was also buried in 1914, WW 1 was not "postponing" HR as he claimed in Woodenbridge. Rather, it was giving the British establishment time to work out the details of how it was going to *replace* the all-Ireland Home Rule that was promised in the Third Home Rule Bill of 1912.

Actual history trumps these John Bruton revisionist fairytales of justified British imperialist violence versus unjustified native Irish violence all the time.

wakka12

Umm India is still suffering from extreme poverty and whats been some pretty ****ty infrastructure up until recently thanks to british colonial rule.

LordSutch

The O'Rahilly (self proclaimed)

What was that about?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98846399&postcount=1

...by the way, did you know that approximately 85% of the British Army in Dublin at that time were local Irish men! < This fact escapes many Irish people who equate British with English. Just a thought that never gets much of a mention (apart from RTEs recent drama Rebellion) which gave a pretty shallow & theatrical version of what really happened, but at least they put Irish accents on most of the British soldiers in Dublin, which is much closer to the truth.

In the Movie 'Michael Collins' all the British soldiers have very strong English accents! The point I'm trying to make is that the 1916 Rising was nearly akain to a civil war, such was the makeup of the British Army in Dublin/Ireland of the time, with a very strong Irish contingent.

The Rising was comitted by a very small minority (within a minority) and without any mandate. The public were full of anger and disgust towards the rebels, & many of those combatants who put down the Rising were Irish.

Yet this Easter everybody will commemorate those who perpetrated the Rising, yet the vast majority & the Irish soldiers who condemned & put down the Rising will be forgotten I guess?

Those who wont be commemorated might include the 1st casualty of the Rising. Unarmed constable, 45-year-old James O'Brien was shot dead as he stood on duty outside Dublin Castle. < That was murder in my estimation, and it only got worse from there .........

People can celebrate it and commemorate it if they wish, but I am not convinced that the event itself was anything other that a misguided terrorist attack (if viewed through the eyes of the majority of the time).

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tomwaterford

LordSutch wrote: »

The O'Rahilly (self proclaimed)

What was that about?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98846399&postcount=1

...by the way, did you know that approximately 85% of the British Army in Dublin at that time were local Irish men! < This fact escapes many Irish people who equate British with English. Just a thought that never gets much of a mention (apart from RTEs recent drama Rebellion) which gave a pretty shallow & theatrical version of what really happened, but at least they put Irish accents on most of the British soldiers in Dublin, which is much closer to the truth.

In the Movie 'Michael Collins' all the British soldiers have very strong English accents! The point I'm trying to make is that the 1916 Rising was nearly akain to a civil war, such was the makeup of the British Army in Dublin/Ireland of the time, with a very strong Irish contingent.

The Rising was comitted by a very small minority (within a minority) and without any mandate. The public were full of anger and disgust towards the rebels, & many of those combatants who put down the Rising were Irish.

Yet this Easter everybody will commemorate those who perpetrated the Rising, yet the vast majority & the Irish soldiers who condemned & put down the Rising will be forgotten I guess?

Those who wont be commemorated might include the 1st casualty of the Rising. Unarmed constable, 45-year-old James O'Brien was shot dead as he stood on duty outside Dublin Castle. < That was murder in my estimation, and it only got worse from there .........

People can celebrate it and commemorate it if they wish, but I am not convinced that the event itself was anything other that a misguided terrorist attack (if viewed through the eyes of the majority of the time).

Celebrate people will :pac:


Such a small group of unpaid patriots could hold off the British empire for the bones of a week and set off a train of events that would to Irish independence....



If Ireland as a country couldn't celebrate it...then what can it???

KingBrian2

tomwaterford wrote: »

Celebrate people will :pac:


Such a small group of unpaid patriots could hold off the British empire for the bones of a week and set off a train of events that would to Irish independence....



If Ireland as a country couldn't celebrate it...then what can it???

The city was pretty much encircled by British forces at the end of the week in much the same way the Paris Commune was suffocated by the French army on the back of the Franco Prussian war. The Irish volunteers had effectively mutinied against the whole of British authority at least in the city and its surrounding environs.

The Wexford rebellion of 1798 had a very similar approach if a lot less successful and the planners of that uprising were incapable of bringing with them the support of the Irish people. The themes of that rebellion played a role in 1916 especially the broad appeal of the revolutionary cause.

In that regard Easter 1916 was very important. The release of prisoners and the future fighters of Irish Independence.

tomwaterford

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The city was pretty much encircled by British forces at the end of the week in much the same way the Paris Commune was suffocated by the French army on the back of the Franco Prussian war. The Irish volunteers had effectively mutinied against the whole of British authority at least in the city and its surrounding environs.

The Wexford rebellion of 1798 had a very similar approach if a lot less successful and the planners of that uprising were incapable of bringing with them the support of the Irish people. The themes of that rebellion played a role in 1916 especially the broad appeal of the revolutionary cause.

In that regard Easter 1916 was very important. The release of prisoners and the future fighters of Irish Independence.

Though tbf to the British....what also greatly helped in many parts for fighters for irish freedom were soldiers returning from war....to assist in fighting and properly training


Where 1798 possibly may have struggled is with lack of press???

Though what turned tide more than all was the Black and Tans...as esp around here at least there antics are still recalled as the main hardening of opinion in favour of the rebels

beach_walker

Permabear wrote: »

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I don't buy that tbh. Locally here on November 11th we had kids in WW1 Tommy outfits, marches etc. The recruitment stations for the TA, Army etc are nearby every public display of the loses. That happens every year, it's every bit a celebration of "British" values as a commemoration (bar the minutes silence which is honest).

The 4th of July is celebrated in the US. Imagine if some yanks were so self loathing as to point out that it commemorates a date which self appointed people took violence which led to centuries of internal strife. Sure if they'd only stayed loyal commonwealth subjects, they would have reaped the benefits of the Brits abandoning the slave trade in the early 1800s. Sure the whole nasty business of the Civil War could have been avoided. And the subsequent decades of hate, mistrust and conflict. They would have inevitably got their own home rule, right?!

Nah, thought not. Funny how this particular logic is ever only applied to Irish independence.

RandomName2

beach_walker wrote: »

I don't buy that tbh. Locally here on November 11th we had kids in WW1 Tommy outfits, marches etc. The recruitment stations for the TA, Army etc are nearby every public display of the loses. That happens every year, it's every bit a celebration of "British" values as a commemoration (bar the minutes silence which is honest).

Is this Ireland you are talking about?

beach_walker wrote: »

The 4th of July is celebrated in the US. Imagine if some yanks were so self loathing as to point out that it commemorates a date which self appointed people took violence which led to centuries of internal strife.

The 4th of July celebration doesn't celebrate the taking up of arms - if it did it would be April 18th that was celebrated. Incidentally a political route for the US was denied. No representation, after all. Ireland had huge representation in Westminster by the 20th century.

beach_walker wrote: »

Sure if they'd only stayed loyal commonwealth subjects, they would have reaped the benefits of the Brits abandoning the slave trade in the early 1800s. Sure the whole nasty business of the Civil War could have been avoided. And the subsequent decades of hate, mistrust and conflict. They would have inevitably got their own home rule, right?!

Nah, thought not. Funny how this particular logic is ever only applied to Irish independence.

Are you saying that slavery was a good thing?

riffmongous wrote: »

So much Home Rule talk and no one mentioned the Curragh Mutiny

Until now! Yeah we know, an Ulster Unionist rebellion would have been difficult to put down.

beach_walker

RandomName2 wrote: »

Is this Ireland you are talking about?

Yeah, north country Mayo... Scotland actually! Not to mention the Poppy sellers harassing me on the way to work for ages before the bloody day. Not that I'm complaining, that's the way people remember their history and it's their country (well...).

I recall the 90th anniversary of the Rising, I've seen footage of the 50th. It's not an every year thing nor a patch on the celebration the Brits do for their war dead. Half the lads at work have Spitfires, HMS Name-A-Carrier as desktop background images. I laugh at the idea that Paddy is somehow peculiar in commemorating his own patriots.

timthumbni

beach_walker wrote: »

Yeah, north country Mayo... Scotland actually! Not to mention the Poppy sellers harassing me on the way to work for ages before the bloody day. Not that I'm complaining, that's the way people remember their history and it's their country (well...).

I recall the 90th anniversary of the Rising, I've seen footage of the 50th. It's not an every year thing nor a patch on the celebration the Brits do for their war dead. Half the lads at work have Spitfires, HMS Name-A-Carrier as desktop background images. I laugh at the idea that Paddy is somehow peculiar in commemorating his own patriots.

All I wonder is what booby sands (per Mary Lou) would think about it???

Poppy sellers in Scotland harassing you??? Hmmmn...

beach_walker

timthumbni wrote: »

Poppy sellers in Scotland harassing you??? Hmmmn...

Alright I'll tell you what, anyone got a story about being 'harassed" by Easter Lilly sellers T-30 days to the event (and continuing right up to the date) daily??

Nah, sure Paddy is the only one "celebrating" right?! The other countries, sure they're just commemorating :pac:

Edit: Bonus points if they're emulating the Brits by having active soldiers do it and recruitment drives nearby

timthumbni

beach_walker wrote: »

Alright I'll tell you what, anyone got a story about being 'harassed" by Easter Lilly sellers T-30 days to the event (and continuing right up to the date) daily??

Nah, sure Paddy is the only one "celebrating" right?! The other countries, sure they're just commemorating :pac:

Can I suggest that if you are so offended by this outrage in a foreign country by their customs, that you apparently live in, that you simply move back to your own country of birth?

Are you being held there against your will? Do we need to call Interpol?

beach_walker

timthumbni wrote: »

Can I suggest that if you are so offended by this outrage in a foreign country by their customs, that you apparently live in, that you simply move back to your own country of birth?

Well you clearly didn't read my post

Not that I'm complaining, that's the way people remember their history and it's their country (well...).

Never, not once said I was offended. Read what you want to read, see what you want to see...

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beach_walker

Permabear wrote: »

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I totally agree. Do you honestly think that such barbarism wouldn't have been brought on Ireland vis-a-vi conscription were if not for Irish republicans and the Sinn Fein led campaign against? And the latent mis-trust sown about the Irish in the British eyes by 1916?

We should all check out the census from that era and thank god that a generation of Irish weren't totally wiped out in the name of King and country.

droidman123

I hate the word "independence" in relation to1916. We didn't gain independence,we gained freedom.

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Junkyard Tom

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This anti-revolution bullshit would make even the most seelveenish establishment sycophant blush. It wasn't their 'own capital' - it was Dublin Castle's colony. They weren't bloodthirsty - they were volunteers from all walks of life who took on the British empire's mercenaries. The Empire's mercenaries shelling the city centre from Dublin bay was bloodthirsty and indiscriminate.

The revolution was noble and saved the Irish soul. It's just a pity it hadn't happened sooner and with greater ferocity and its a pity more of the Ruth Dudleys you're channelling weren't driven out like the proverbial snakes before them.

end of the road

timthumbni wrote: »

booby sands

it's boby sands.

gormdubhgorm

Let's be honest Ireland fluked independence for 26 counties.
Despite calling the fight on, calling the fight off, calling it on, calling it off again, going out for the craic for a bit of blood sacrifice.
Inept military decisions by academics and poets.
Then getting a "free state" which was basically "Home Rule". Then fighting among themselves for a little while.
Then knocking it all down bit by bit to get independence. A jammy result of a horny English fella riding an American Divorcée.

This flukiness is not celebrated every year because the job was only over two thirds successful.
At least let us celebrate our flukiness every so often.
It is like when the Irish Soccer team jammies it's way to a tournament proper when they looked like they had not a hope in hell.
Just be happy for them all if it was not for the men of 1916...we would all be speaking English now....oh wait.....

The Backwards Man

end of the road wrote: »

it's boby sands.

Hello Mary Lou

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Permabear wrote: »

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As conscription was only introduced in Britain in 1916, the soldiers taking the offensive at the Somme were volunteers.