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Upcoming DC Extended Universe (DCEU) Movies
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The White Wolf wrote: »They just need to have someone steering the mainstream properties as a cohesive unit.
Outside of that I'm fine with directors getting their shot at a "black label" type idea similar to what Todd Philips had envisioned for Joker. It's great having someone calling the shots but according to Phillips, Walter Hamada had no interest in Joker. Had Hamada had a Feige level of power Joker wouldn't have been made.
Ah yeah homogeneity isn't really what I meant, even over in Marvel land the odd Big Hero 6 or First Class helps with a fresh feel. I meant more what you did, a unifying voice for the continuity connected films has to happen, and they need to have a bit less chaos on average. Hamada has been kind of stable so far but churn's been happening since MoS didn't hit the figures they wanted, with interference and replacements happening all the time. Apparently Geoff Johns didn't even get to see most of the films he green lit see the screen in the job
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Wasn't even especially responding to your comment really, I think you hear the odd thing, probably more than a Marvel. The question is how much of it you can believe.
The thing is DC has reshuffled so many times that it's hard to keep track of who was in charge of what and when. Technically Johns has been involved in DC media since 2010 when he was CCO of DC Entertainment, a position now held by Jim Lee. Hamada has been around since January 2018. Of course by then Aquaman had finished filming and was in post production. Filming for Shazam started shortly after he joined. Yet he was apparently given a lot of credit for overseeing it at New Line Cinema which lead to him getting the DC job. As much as people talk about Geoff Johns, Hamada didn't replace Johns he replaced Jon Berg and works with Geoff for a few months before Geoff Johns is let go. All that is also ignoring the President of DC Entertainment at this time Diane Nelson.
It's one of the other understated reasons for why DC films are a mess and not just inconsistent in the quality of their films but also in their output and aims. It's one of the reasons why it seems they have a different slate of films every couple of years. It's been a revolving door of who is in charge and of what department. The AT&T merger is probably going to complicate this even further. So realistically if you had to credit Hamada with the DC films it would probably be from Shazam onwards. So Shazam, Joker, Birds of Prey and WW84. Those alone are massive jumps in a cohesive vision and quality. Put on top of that the chairman of WB didn't want to make Joker.
Hamada's vision is a mixed presentation from streaming to cinemas. They've always wanted to be Marvel and when you see Disney announcing their Disney+ plans for the MCU they are following suit. Despite the fact they have done a lot less to earn that than Disney have. Disney are also pushing that this is the MCU. With WB who knows, as much as they can say whatever shows or movies they put on HBO Max are part of a shared universe, who's to say? Are regular consumers going to be able to distinguish this stuff from the usual CW superhero fare?
They bungled their shared universe so now they're downplaying it and having separate films while still insisting that there is a DCEU even though by the time Flashpoint comes out it will be nearly 10 years since the 'DCEU' launched with Man of Steel and they have very little to show for it except a disaster of a Justice League film that they are still trying to get right 3 years after it flopped into cinemas.
WB in general is a mess right now. A few years ago they said the pillars of their film division would be Harry Potter, DC and Lego. They ran Lego into the ground in record time to the point it jumped ship to Universal. Harry Potter is in the toilet after the Fantastic Beast franchise seems to be coming off the rails. DC is just not in a good place overall and with the next entry coming to HBO Max who knows when the ship is going to be righted. The rest of the studio is also in chaos thanks to that HBO Max deal that has damaged their reputation and relationships with filmmakers. What that means going forward, we'll just have to wait and see.
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WB in general is a mess right now. A few years ago they said the pillars of their film division would be Harry Potter, DC and Lego. They ran Lego into the ground in record time to the point it jumped ship to Universal. Harry Potter is in the toilet after the Fantastic Beast franchise seems to be coming off the rails. DC is just not in a good place overall and with the next entry coming to HBO Max who knows when the ship is going to be righted. The rest of the studio is also in chaos thanks to that HBO Max deal that has damaged their reputation and relationships with filmmakers. What that means going forward, we'll just have to wait and see.
Anyway rant over
Well there's been such an arrogance to WB's approach towards a lot of these properties that I find it hard to have any sympathy for them in their alleged war with AT&T.
As you pointed out it's not just DC that has been victim of their hare brained strategy.0 -
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