Election Results thread

...And Justice

Wicklow

Stephen Donnelly (Soc Dems) 22%
Simon Harris (Fine Gael) 15%
John Brady (Sinn Féin) 13%
Billy Timmons (Renua) 12%
Pat Casey (Fianna Fail) 9%
Anne Ferris (Labour) has 3%.

Labour is gone, not surprised by Timmins he has a loyal following in Wicklow.

BoatMad

charlie14 wrote: »

There is a lot of comment on here about right and left politics.

2011 FG 36%, Labour 19%, FF 17% gives a centre vote of 72%

That will have change radically this time.

The question is, has the outgoing FG government been the main reason for this with some pretty right wing Tory like policies ?

You seem to miss the point that all that has happened is the centre right FG votes borrowed in the 2011 election have gone back to the other centre right party FF. The left is a fractious bunch of malcontents , remnants of the Labour Party and one coherent left , err , maybe , SF party.

i see any " Tory " politics , or would you have let SF rescue the economy from the dregs over the last 5 years. Yeah right.

All that has happened is the electorate have voted in " ghostbusters" in 2011 and have said, job done , now fu&k off. We want now to " grab" some of this recovery for ourselves.

Sand

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A total mess, the public has no idea what it wants collectively.

It wants a strong Dail that 3 or 4 people in the Government cannot ride roughshod over and ignore, that's very clear. And very welcome.

Mildly bemusing to watch the FG and Labour candidates and talking heads on TV feeling sorry for themselves thinking they are getting punished for "making the hard decisions". They entered the election with no selling points.

bren2001

Dublin Bay North first count tally:

Ren2k7

Taco Chips wrote: »

What's ironic?

You moaning about party shills when this forum is chock full of govt bots.

BoatMad

Sand wrote: »

It wants a strong Dail that 3 or 4 people in the Government cannot ride roughshod over and ignore, that's very clear. And very welcome.

Mildly bemusing to watch the FG and Labour candidates and talking heads on TV feeling sorry for themselves thinking they are getting punished for "making the hard decisions". They entered the election with no selling points.

If it wanted a strong dail, it certainly didn't elect one , it opted essentially for chaos, parish pump politics , a bunch of indigent independents running on sectional politics

Basically the electorate has the combined age of about 4. With a long term memory of about 6 months

K-9

First Count Galway East, Colm Keaveny is in bother, looks like jumping ship didn't work.

1FF, 1FG and 1 Independent look like getting in.

Jayop

This buck from galway is a struggle to listen to.

Centaur

As a slight aside are there any tallys on how many women candidates will get elected?
What will the gender balance of the new Dail look like?

Sand

BoatMad wrote: »

If it wanted a strong dail, it certainly didn't elect one , it opted essentially for chaos, parish pump politics , a bunch of indigent independents running on sectional politics

Basically the electorate has the combined age of about 4. With a long term memory of about 6 months

You're confusing a strong government with a strong Dail, when the two are opposed. The job of the Dail is to hold the government to account. The "chaos, parish pump politics, a bunch of indigent independents running on sectional politics" are the representatives of the Irish voters who the Government are supposed to report to.

The results are very welcome in that no party or government will be so secure that it can ignore the Dail - and by extension the Irish voters - as in the past.

Oh and the contempt for the electorate is not surprising. That might explain why the electorate is no longer as beholden to the "establishment" parties.

Loafing Oaf

Centaur wrote: »

As a slight aside are there any tallys on how many women candidates will get elected?
What will the gender balance of the new Dail look like?

Shane Coleman just said there might be 6 or 7 more women in the new Dail, certainly not the great leap forward...

Jayop

Centaur wrote: »

As a slight aside are there any tallys on how many women candidates will get elected?
What will the gender balance of the new Dail look like?

Was just thinking that myself. Looks like a lot more.

...And Justice

Lucinda is in trouble

"Renua sources believe it’s possible the party will not come back with any seats. The party concedes it’s going to be very hard for leader, Lucinda Creighton to keep her seat in the Dublin Bay South. Deputy leader Billy Timmins represents Renua’s best hope in Wicklow."

Ren2k7

K-9 wrote: »

First Count Galway East, Colm Keaveny is in bother, looks like jumping ship didn't work.

1FF, 1FG and 1 Independent look like getting in.

Delighted. Tried to chance his luck by jumping from one bunch of morons to another to save his seat but it didn't pay off. Shame that the other FFer will get in. A bad day for Irish politics if FF get back in.

Jayop

...And Justice wrote: »

Lucinda is in trouble

"Renua sources believe it’s possible the party will not come back with any seats. The party concedes it’s going to be very hard for leader, Lucinda Creighton to keep her seat in the Dublin Bay South. Deputy leader Billy Timmins represents Renua’s best hope in Wicklow."

Delighted that the country has entirely rejected the most extreme right party.

K-9

...And Justice wrote: »

Lucinda is in trouble

"Renua sources believe it’s possible the party will not come back with any seats. The party concedes it’s going to be very hard for leader, Lucinda Creighton to keep her seat in the Dublin Bay South. Deputy leader Billy Timmins represents Renua’s best hope in Wicklow."

Matthews only got about 5% as well, looks like the electorate are rejecting those who left FG over the abortion issue.

Jayop

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Delighted. Tried to chance his luck by jumping from one bunch of morons to another to save his seat but it didn't pay off. Shame that the other FFer will get in. A bad day for Irish politics if FF get back in.

And I'd say it would be a bad day if the FG 'morons' get back in.

Ren2k7

...And Justice wrote: »

Lucinda is in trouble

"Renua sources believe it’s possible the party will not come back with any seats. The party concedes it’s going to be very hard for leader, Lucinda Creighton to keep her seat in the Dublin Bay South. Deputy leader Billy Timmins represents Renua’s best hope in Wicklow."

Let this be the end of this neo-liberal/libertarian experiment once and for all. The Irish people made it quite clear they didn't want raving Thatcherites in Irish politics after they dumped the PD's.

eagle eye

A lot of people suggesting that the only reason people have decided not to vote for Fine Gael is because of the hard times over the last five years.

There is more to it than that. There were lots of broken promises like Roscommon Hospital A&E being closed when both Enda Kenny and James Reilly both said it would not be close if they got into power. That is just one small promise in one county and there are many of them across the country.

On top of that Enda Kenny had this attitude over the last five years that the public didn't really matter. He seemed to look down on the ordinary working man almost as if he was not worthy.

You are never going to be successful if you do those things.

Ren2k7

Jayop wrote: »

And I'd say it would be a bad day if the FG 'morons' get back in.

Whoever wins we lose.

Suryavarman

Jayop wrote: »

Delighted that the country has entirely rejected the most extreme right party.

"extreme right" is a bit of an overstatement. Renua are slightly out to the right of Fine Gael. They're far from a right wing equivalent of PBP.

K-9

Reilly is in bother as well now you mention him.

I do think myself the electorate valued public services higher than tax cuts in this election. Good to see we might have learned lessons from the bubble.

Lowry topping the poll in Tipp with McGrath second.

BoJack Horseman

Suryavarman wrote: »

"extreme right" is a bit of an overstatement. Renua are slightly out to the right of Fine Gael. They're far from a right wing equivalent of PBP.

Perhaps socially right wing.

Economically, they aren't exactly 'out there'

charlie14

BoatMad wrote: »

You seem to miss the point that all that has happened is the centre right FG votes borrowed in the 2011 election have gone back to the other centre right party FF. The left is a fractious bunch of malcontents , remnants of the Labour Party and one coherent left , err , maybe , SF party.

i see any " Tory " politics , or would you have let SF rescue the economy from the dregs over the last 5 years. Yeah right.

All that has happened is the electorate have voted in " ghostbusters" in 2011 and have said, job done , now fu&k off. We want now to " grab" some of this recovery for ourselves.

The centre right, and I`m including Labour in that, was 72% 2011.

It`s not going to be anywhere near that this time.

Those are simply the facts.

Very condescending attitude to the electorate that rejected a give-away offer of abolishing the UFC in favour of health, housing, abolishing Irish Water, the homeless etc IMO.

K-9

That last line may contradict what I said before it!

charlie14

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Whoever wins we lose.

Jesus wept !!!

...And Justice

charlie14 wrote: »

The centre right, and I`m including Labour in that, was 72% 2011.

It`s not going to be anywhere near that this time.

Those are simply the facts.

Very condescending attitude to the electorate that rejected a give-away offer of abolishing the UFC in favour of health, housing, abolishing Irish Water, the homeless etc IMO.

In fairness, I agree Conor McGregor would be bad for your health.

stefan.kuntz

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Whoever wins we lose.

This must be the stupidest post ever on boards.ie, well done.

Harry Palmr

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Let this be the end of this neo-liberal/libertarian experiment once and for all. The Irish people made it quite clear they didn't want raving Thatcherites in Irish politics after they dumped the PD's.

This always makes me laugh - there has never been any "raving" right wing economic politics in Ireland, but plenty of raving socially conservative ones though, like refusing to consider the rights of women and abortion.

Ren2k7

Suryavarman wrote: »

"extreme right" is a bit of an overstatement. Renua are slightly out to the right of Fine Gael. They're far from a right wing equivalent of PBP.

Flat taxers, vehemently anti-abortion, Christian conservatism, small govt mindset. They're the Irish Tea Party. Good riddance to them.

...And Justice

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Flat taxers, vehemently anti-abortion, Christian conservatism, small govt mindset. They're the Irish Tea Party. Good riddance to them.

Looks like Timmins is toast, unless he picks up on transfers.

Sand

eagle eye wrote: »

A lot of people suggesting that the only reason people have decided not to vote for Fine Gael is because of the hard times over the last five years.

There is more to it than that. There were lots of broken promises like Roscommon Hospital A&E being closed when both Enda Kenny and James Reilly both said it would not be close if they got into power. That is just one small promise in one county and there are many of them across the country.

On top of that Enda Kenny had this attitude over the last five years that the public didn't really matter. He seemed to look down on the ordinary working man almost as if he was not worthy.

You are never going to be successful if you do those things.

Agreed - I think FG has got a bit of a land because they perceived themselves as competent, honest and hardworking who governed with integrity. But with the variety of scandals and cynical acts, dishonesty and incompetence, the electorate did not share FGs view of themselves.

I think Enda Kenny demonstrated the blindness when he said his two biggest regrets or mistakes in government was two fairly minor budget cuts. Not the whole Callinan affair or the cynical/gombeen McNulty Seanad appointment or the high handed dismissal of the in the Dail which was best expressed by the "Whingers" comment.

If 1 in 4 of the electorate can bring themselves to endorse the above behaviour by voting FG, its hardly scandalous that another 1 in 4 can back FF.

charlie14

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Flat taxers, vehemently anti-abortion, Christian conservatism, small govt mindset. They're the Irish Tea Party. Good riddance to them.

As the old saying goes when you look at who they left, they didn`t lick that off the ground.:cool:

Ren2k7

charlie14 wrote: »

Jesus wept !!!

stefan.kuntz wrote: »

This must be the stupidest post ever on boards.ie, well done.

You really think Ireland can ever have real change with FFGLAB, the troika of insanity that has brought nothing but poverty, misery, economic carnage, emigration and massive corruption since 1922? FFS! :rolleyes:

Suryavarman

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Flat taxers, vehemently anti-abortion, Christian conservatism, small govt mindset. They're the Irish Tea Party. Good riddance to them.

A flat tax is a good policy that even centrists could get behind.

The party allowed a freedom of conscience vote on abortion and many candidates were in favour of repealing the eight amendment.

I don't think they proposed a single spending cut or repeal of any regulation in their manifesto.

You might want to read up on the Tea Party and Renua. You clearly don't know a whole lot about the policies of one or both.

Suryavarman

Ren2k7 wrote: »

You really think Ireland can ever have real change with FFGLAB, the troika of insanity that has brought nothing but poverty, misery, economic carnage, emigration and massive corruption since 1922? FFS! :rolleyes:

Ireland is one of the richest countries in the world and also ranks very highly on the Human Development Index

charlie14

Shatter may not be that safe.

Combined FG vote of 31% in a 3 seater and slightly behind his running mate

Ren2k7

charlie14 wrote: »

As the old saying goes when you look at who they left, they didn`t lick that off the ground.:cool:

No idea what you're on about. The Irish people have made it clear repeatedly they despise right wing neo-Thatcherite politics and neo-liberal trickle down economics. They want nothing to do witt all that crap. It never worked in Britain and it never worked here.

PD's: DEAD!
Renua: Soon to be DEAD!

Ren2k7

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This always makes me laugh - there has never been any "raving" right wing economic politics in Ireland, but plenty of raving socially conservative ones though, like refusing to consider the rights of women and abortion.

The reason why barking mad neo-Thatcherite voodoo economics have never taken off in Ireland is because the Irish people were smart enough to reject anyone espousing such rubbish. The PD's tried this and got destroyed. And so too will Renua. Lovely.

Harry Palmr

People forget how the PDs were such a breath of fresh air in the late 80s as civil war politics still held sway as did the notion that the state should own and run everything. They also sought to get rid of god from the constitution and introduce socially liberal policies

Loafing Oaf

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Renua: Soon to be DEAD!

Don't write them off so soon when they have a political titan like Billy Timmins to carry on the fight!:P

Ren2k7

Suryavarman wrote: »

A flat tax is a good policy that even centrists could get behind.

Sweet Jesus!

BoatMad

Ren2k7 wrote: »

No idea what you're on about. The Irish people have made it clear repeatedly they despise right wing neo-Thatcherite politics and neo-liberal trickle down economics. They want nothing to do witt all that crap. It never worked in Britain and it never worked here.

PD's: DEAD!
Renua: Soon to be DEAD!

Which is why they voted in a FFFG centre right government , with no drag from a Labour Party ,

Ok then...... No Tory parties policies here. .........!!!!

Ren2k7

Suryavarman wrote: »

Ireland is one of the richest countries in the world and also ranks very highly on the Human Development Index

A homeless crisis, net emigration and high unemployment. Ireland has a history of occassional boom and frequent bust. The common denominator has always been FFGLAB.

BoatMad

charlie14 wrote: »

The centre right, and I`m including Labour in that, was 72% 2011.

It`s not going to be anywhere near that this time.

Those are simply the facts.

Very condescending attitude to the electorate that rejected a give-away offer of abolishing the UFC in favour of health, housing, abolishing Irish Water, the homeless etc IMO.

Nonsense to suggest that labour is centre right.

Take out labour and the centre right vote is not too different this time. It's still the clear majority wish of the voters. Nor can you say that all independents are left wing either.

Left is about 30 % of vote. , 50'centre right 20 % single issue, character voting

Sure sure housing ,free water , etc etc etc , sounds like FF in the late seventies , I remember the 15 year recession that caused. you get the public services you pay for and we don't want to pay for them ( once we get them of course)

Ren2k7

BoatMad wrote: »

Which is why they voted in a FFFG centre right government , with no drag from a Labour Party ,

Ok then...... No Tory parties policies here. .........!!!!

What, you think a FF/FG will bring in a flat tax, slash social welfare and privatise everything? They'll be an awful govt for sure but a hypothetical Renua led govt would be even worse. And that's saying something.

So it's now looking like a FF-FG coalition, with possibly FF taking the most seats. Taoiseach Martin with Enda resigning as FG leader and a new FG head being Tanaiste. Labour decimated and SF as the new main opposition party.

BlitzKrieg

f*cking Micheal Lowry again...

Suryavarman

Ren2k7 wrote: »

A homeless crisis, net emigration and high unemployment. Ireland has a history of occassional boom and frequent bust. The common denominator has always been FFGLAB.

And yet we still rank highly on HDI. Net emigration is falling and unemployment is also falling. This is probably down to us having the fastest growing economy in Europe.

...And Justice

Please not Joan..........

Independent candidate David McGuinness, who looks likely to come 6th in the 4-seater, says a lot of Fine Gael voters decided in the last two weeks that they wanted Joan Burton to remain in the Dáil, and that she is likely to take the fourth seat.

Kristopherus

Ren2k7 wrote: »

A homeless crisis, net emigration and high unemployment. Ireland has a history of occassional boom and frequent bust. The common denominator has always been FFGLAB.

What is your solution to those "issues" Shinners policy ??????