Election Results thread

Ren2k7

Suryavarman wrote: »

And yet we still rank highly on HDI. Net emigration is falling and unemployment is also falling. This is probably down to us having the fastest growing economy in Europe.

No developed western country should EVER have net emigration. That's a damning indictment of the three main parties that's ran this country the ground time and again.

Ren2k7

Kristopherus wrote: »

What is you solution to those "issues" Shinners policy ??????

BoatMad

Ren2k7 wrote: »

What, you think a FF/FG will bring in a flat tax, slash social welfare and privatise everything? They'll be an awful govt for sure but a hypothetical Renua led govt would be even worse. And that's saying something.

So it's now looking like a FF-FG coalition, with possibly FF taking the most seats. Taoiseach Martin with Enda resigning as FG leader and a new FG head being Tanaiste. Labour decimated and SF as the new main opposition party.

Renua was never going to get traction , it was always seen as a spoiled brat response to getting thrown out , it's policies were framed up on the spot

It's not even worth talking about , the electorate didn't vote for them be used they were right wing , it didn't vote for them because they were irelevant

Now we have a potential proper centre right gov with some social conscience. The problem is FF instability , which means at the first sign of problems FF will break and run.

Earthhorse

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Ireland has a history of occassional boom and frequent bust. The common denominator has always been FFGLAB.

Or the common denominator is Ireland.

charlie14

Ren2k7 wrote: »

No idea what you're on about. The Irish people have made it clear repeatedly they despise right wing neo-Thatcherite politics and neo-liberal trickle down economics. They want nothing to do witt all that crap. It never worked in Britain and it never worked here.

PD's: DEAD!
Renua: Soon to be DEAD!

If your read the post again, the reference was to FG.

So, I am in total agreement with you.

The Irish people have made it very clear they want nothing to do with "all that crap"

BoatMad

Ren2k7 wrote: »

No developed western country should EVER have net emigration. That's a damning indictment of the three main parties that's ran this country the ground time and again.

Nonsense, with our uncharacteristic high birthrate , and limited economy , and English speaking well educated populous , there is always emigration , the fact remains that the countries net population is growing and the workforce has expanded net total.

Mr.Micro

Ren2k7 wrote: »

You really think Ireland can ever have real change with FFGLAB, the troika of insanity that has brought nothing but poverty, misery, economic carnage, emigration and massive corruption since 1922? FFS! :rolleyes:

Yes indeed. The big issues will still be there no matter who governs. It always ends up what's best for the Party and cronies. In five years the health service will be further eroded, emigration will be still rampant.

charlie14

BoatMad wrote: »

Renua was never going to get traction , it was always seen as a spoiled brat response to getting thrown out , it's policies were framed up on the spot

It's not even worth talking about , the electorate didn't vote for them be used they were right wing , it didn't vote for them because they were irelevant

Now we have a potential proper centre right gov with some social conscience. The problem is FF instability , which means at the first sign of problems FF will break and run.

A proper centre right gov ?

From what I have seen of FF in this election, they have recognised a vacancy centre left and it`s worked for them.

If you factor in SF, I cannot see them moving from there anytime soon.

brooke 2

Centaur wrote: »

As a slight aside are there any tallys on how many women candidates will get elected?
What will the gender balance of the new Dail look like?

Just heard Claire Byrne speak to Darragh O'Brien FF from Fingal. She put it to him that his running
mate, Clifford-Lee? had claimed during the week that she was subjected to a lot of aggression from his supporters. Apparently, Darragh had not been too happy that HQ put her in as his running mate. He vehemently denied the reported shenanigans!! And he has topped the poll.

Stheno

Shane Ross first TD to be elected.

Harry Palmr

FG Frances Fitzgerald elected Dub Mid-West
SF Eoin o Broin elected Dub Mid-West

Stheno

EOin O'Broin SF also elected with Fitzgerald.

Ren2k7

Great to see O'Broin topping the vote in Dublin Mid-East. SF making the biggest gains.

Ren2k7

BoatMad wrote: »

Nonsense, with our uncharacteristic high birthrate , and limited economy , and English speaking well educated populous , there is always emigration , the fact remains that the countries net population is growing and the workforce has expanded net total.

Yeah this is crap. France has a similar birthrate to Ireland and yet doesn't experience emigration. Emigration isn't inevitable if we had competent leadership.

Harry Palmr

FF Sean Flemming elected Laois

Fleawuss

I will be amazed if FF/FG enter coalition. On the evidence to date here and in Britain the smaller party faces annihilation. Perhaps the country deserves a grand coalition of the Left led by SF to deliver on their policies. At the very least it would be interesting to see how things would go.

Ren2k7

Brian Stanley pretty much assured of the last seat in Laois.

Harry Palmr

Fleawuss wrote: »

I will be amazed if FF/FG enter coalition. On the evidence to date here and in Britain the smaller party faces annihilation. Perhaps the country deserves a grand coalition of the Left led by SF to deliver on their policies. At the very least it would be interesting to see how things would go.

Almost certainly won't be enough unless it's a minority administration, this is the problem all the groupings have.

Even if they had enough in theory I have a hard time imagining "the left" will avoid the usual first thing on the agenda....

Loafing Oaf

Fleawuss wrote: »

Perhaps the country deserves a grand coalition of the Left led by SF to deliver on their policies. At the very least it would be interesting to see how things would go.

Won't have anywhere near the numbers, even if you include Labour...

devnull

Michael Martin basically just basically offered FG a possible deal by the sounds of things, refused to rule it out and seemed to almost outline his requirements.

BoJack Horseman

Fleawuss wrote: »

I will be amazed if FF/FG enter coalition. On the evidence to date here and in Britain the smaller party faces annihilation. Perhaps the country deserves a grand coalition of the Left led by SF to deliver on their policies. At the very least it would be interesting to see how things would go.

I would hope so.

FF & Martin have been at pains to stress how left wing they are over the past couple of months.
Time for the left to step up....
Anchored by FF, there should be enough across the spectrum, especially if Labour are open to a taste, but perhaps even without.

...And Justice

devnull wrote: »

Michael Martin basically just basically offered FG a possible deal by the sounds of things, refused to rule it out and seemed to almost outline his requirements.

i thought the opposite

charlie14

BoatMad wrote: »

Nonsense to suggest that labour is centre right.

Take out labour and the centre right vote is not too different this time. It's still the clear majority wish of the voters. Nor can you say that all independents are left wing either.

Left is about 30 % of vote. , 50'centre right 20 % single issue, character voting

Sure sure housing ,free water , etc etc etc , sounds like FF in the late seventies , I remember the 15 year recession that caused. you get the public services you pay for and we don't want to pay for them ( once we get them of course)

Where do you believe the increase in their vote came from 2011?

The left ?

It came from FF.

After seeing what Labour supported in this FG/Lab government they certainly couldn`t be judged anywhere to the left.

Something that has been brought home to them today.

devnull

...And Justice wrote: »

i thought the opposite

He spoke a lot of words for someone who was ruling it out. If he was ruling it out why not just say so like the guy from SF did just now?

Kristopherus

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I would hope so.

FF & Martin have been at pains to stress how left wing they are over the past couple of months.
Time for the left to step up....
Anchored by FF, there should be enough across the spectrum, especially if Labour are open to a taste, but perhaps even without.

Well Ml. McGrath certainly did'nt rule it out in an earleir interview. Wiil FG bite???

charlie14

Kristopherus wrote: »

Well Ml. McGrath certainly did'nt rule it out in an earleir interview. Wiil FG bite???

I didn`t hear what he was offering, but I have been saying for some time back that FF "acting responsibly" is to offer FG a minority Gov.

Suryavarman

Ren2k7 wrote: »

No developed western country should EVER have net emigration. That's a damning indictment of the three main parties that's ran this country the ground time and again.

Should a state like California have net emigration? It had net emigration of over 1 million between 2004 and 2013. Source

stefan.kuntz

Ren2k7 wrote: »

You really think Ireland can ever have real change with FFGLAB, the troika of insanity that has brought nothing but poverty, misery, economic carnage, emigration and massive corruption since 1922? FFS! :rolleyes:

So there was no one else to vote for? What constituency were you in?

PS, the bailout is over. Take your head out of the sand and you might learn something.

Harry Palmr

California is becoming a failed state its fair to say.

charlie14

Suryavarman wrote: »

Should a state like California have net emigration? It had net emigration of over 1 million between 2004 and 2013. Source

If only we had the sun and Silicon Valley.

Mind you, they do have the San Andreas Fault, so figures may not be guaranteed to stay high there either if that goes tits up.

:D

Centaur

I don't see Labour going into coalition with anybody now, as they would just be making up the numbers.
The responsibility to form a government primarily lies with Fianna Gael, Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein.

charlie14

Centaur wrote: »

I don't see Labour going into coalition with anybody now, as they would just be making up the numbers.
The responsibility to form a government primarily lies with Fianna Gael, Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein.

Anything less than 15 seats for Labour and I never thought it was on, even if FG had the numbers.

Harry Palmr

Carlow/Kilkenny set to return two FF, 1 FG, 1 SF and AN other

Kristopherus

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Carlow/Kilkenny set to return two FF, 1 FG, 1 SF and AN other

Very possibly 3 FF.

K-9

FF gain in Meath West with FG losing out.

K-9

1 SF in Waterford.

John McGuinness is predicting 3 FF in Carlow/Kilkenny. RTE radio analysts don't agree.

Harry Palmr

K-9 wrote: »

1 SF in Waterford.

John McGuinness is predicting 3 FF in Carlow/Kilkenny. RTE radio analysts don't agree.

Steady on - only Mary Butler (FF) is elected in Waterford!

charlie14

Less than a 1.5 FG quota in Waterford. Deasy or Coffey could be gone?

Harry Palmr

Impossible to call that one Deasy (west) will get some of FF surplus, Coffey (east) will get some Labour surplus but someone is going to be very disappointed cos they'll lose by only a few hundred at most.

K-9

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Steady on - only Mary Butler (FF) is elected in Waterford!

Oops, FF do most of the whooping and hollering, should have known. Looks like SF will be next.

Analysts now changed and saying 3 FF, 1SF and 1FG in Carlow/Kilkenny.

charlie14

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Steady on - only Mary Butler (FF) is elected in Waterford!

Seat there for SF and possibly IAA at the expense of FGs Coffey or Deasy.

Harry Palmr

charlie14 wrote: »

Seat there for SF and possibly IAA at the expense of FGs Coffey or Deasy.

I know! I was just correcting a fachtual error.

Harry Palmr

Dub Wesht 4 seats

quota 8391

FG Varadkar 8247
FF Chambers 6917
AAA Coppinger 6520
Lab Burton 6445
SF Donnelly 6034

Ren2k7

Suryavarman wrote: »

Should a state like California have net emigration? It had net emigration of over 1 million between 2004 and 2013. Source

Jesus, is that the best you Gaelers can do? California isn't a country. Try again.

The Gaelers sure are in foul mood today. I wonder why?

stefan.kuntz wrote: »

So there was no one else to vote for? What constituency were you in?

PS, the bailout is over. Take your head out of the sand and you might learn something.

Bizarre.

Jayop

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Dub Wesht 4 seats

quota 8391

FG Varadkar 8247
FF Chambers 6917
AAA Coppinger 6520
Lab Burton 6445
SF Donnelly 6034

So 2 bits of good news for Varadkar today. Getting elected and England winning the rugby.

Gringo180

Is Fine Gael going to get back into power or will Fianna Fail?

Jayop

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is Fine Gael going to get back into power or will Fianna Fail?

Rw coalition looks the only answer

BoJack Horseman

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is Fine Gael going to get back into power or will Fianna Fail?

FF.

The time for the grand left wing coalition is now.

jam_mac_jam

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is Fine Gael going to get back into power or will Fianna Fail?

Both I would think

charlie14

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is Fine Gael going to get back into power or will Fianna Fail?

Aah sweet Jesus give me strength .