Remind me never to have children

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steddyeddy wrote: »

I never understood why children are brought to the pub.

Wouldn't be fair to leave them at home while I'm out having a pint and watching the match.

222233

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Because nursing a hangover every Sunday is a much better way of living your life than raising kids.

Certainly is! Although the description of the girl in Geography class having a cavery lunch on Sunday also fits the Sunday hangover.

Emmadilema123

Hammer89 wrote: »

She did have a headache, but that was because little Gerry threw a block of duplo at her head before leaving the gaf.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone here...all I'm saying is tomorrow is children's allowance day and ill prob have a Chinese to celebrate! Just something to think about :-P

Cork Lass

Hammer89 wrote: »

That's the jist of it mate. A hangover is a knock-on effect for a fun night.

So is a baby :pac::pac:

tomwaterford

Cork Lass wrote: »

So is a baby :pac::pac:

Personally I'd prefer the hangover :P

tomwaterford

Cork Lass wrote: »

So is a baby :pac::pac:

Personally I'd prefer the hangover :P

tomwaterford

Cork Lass wrote: »

So is a baby :pac::pac:

Personally I'd prefer the hangover :P

aaronjumper

tomwaterford wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer the hangover :P

tomwaterford wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer the hangover :P

tomwaterford wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer the hangover :P

Good because it looks like you've started drinking.

Menas

tomwaterford wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer the hangover :P

There is more fun making a baby...but I get your point!

jmayo

Hammer89 wrote: »

You're one of those annoying Irish people who hates the Queen and stuff, aren't you? You only like things that are green: grass, broccoli, the hulk, envy, tennis balls and frogs.

For the record, I wasn't getting pissed around children so let's not make sh*t up to strengthen an already weak-as-piss rant.

PS - the Queen is sound. So is Prince William and Cromwell. Do something.

I have some sunlight soap that you can wash your mouth out with. :mad:

Btw the poster doesn't have to be a rabid anti British person.
Have you ever thought they might like League of Ireland ?
You do know of that league ?

steddyeddy wrote: »

I never understood why children are brought to the pub.

Ever care to notice how many pubs actually survive on providing food these days ?

The poster did mention people tucking into their carvery lunches did he not ?

Parents would get done by social services if they decide to pub for lunch and leave the kids outside in the carpark.

esforum wrote: »

agreed, they arent exactly homely and child friendly environments

WTF.

I would guess the majority of pubs these days serves food, because it is one of the best ways of making money.
Are only single people and non child families meant to eat that food ?

If a lot of pubs were surviving on what they make from booze alone they would be closed.

Go into any town and you will find that some of the only places to get a dinner is a pub.

And face it those little mouths help pay the wages of the bar staff.

tomwaterford

aaronjumper wrote: »

Good because it looks like you've started drinking.

Fcukibg phone ruining me life

Worse than a kid :pac:

aaronjumper

tomwaterford wrote: »

Fcukibg phone ruining me life

Worse than a kid :pac:

Ah you'll feel differently when you sober up.

tomwaterford

aaronjumper wrote: »

Ah you'll feel differently when you sober up.

Bahahaha

etoughguy

Hammer89 wrote: »

I know there's an insult here somewhere but I don't know what it is. I was well brought up thanks very much. No need to question my parents' competency based on a six-sentence internet post mate.

That's the worst part of this fiasco for me. My parents - one of whom has passed away - have found themselves in the firing line somehow.

You would never have been born is all I was saying, I wasnt implying anything further certainly not what you read into it

Spanish Eyes

I don't have any children.

I love kids that are not my own. Really, as long as I can hand them back and see them in small doses.

You see not everyone is maternal or paternal. That doesn't mean they hate kids, just that they don't fit in to our lifestyles.

Now for that reason I do not EVER go to a pub lunch on a Sunday. TBH leaving the kids aside I couldn't think of anything more boring than sitting there with 40 inch screens blaring out match stuff and at the same time kids running around unsupervised driving me mad.

Even worse is the kind of effort made to call out Jamie/Sharden/Oisin, get back here and eat your dinner. Feck that.

So I admire people who have children. They signed up for it and good luck to them. I didn't so I do not appreciate the precious darlings puking and throwing food, and running around the place I am in. Thanks.

So the choice was easy. No Sunday lunches/carveries anymore. Same goes for holidays. Avoid the School holidays/mid terms like the plague.

At least then they families with lovely screaming noisy whiny indulged kids do not have to put up with me. Win win!!

Ah that is tongue in cheek. Each to their own.

Ice Maiden

esforum wrote: »

OP dont have kids, you arent ready.

When getting pissed as a fart, acting the fool and then spending all of Sunday suffering no longer seems like an amazing way to spend the weekend, then you are ready for kids

And that's perfect because he made it clear he doesn't want to have kids - for a long time anyway.

whatdoicare

I have a kid and have never been or want to be to Sunday lunch in a pub to watch a match....I would find that incredibly boring. If I was forced to go to one of these match/lunches by my husband I'm sure that I too would look like the elbow mothers you speak of - not because of my kid but mostly because I hate sports and I would be essentially stuck in a pub, bored, unable to drink and trying to keep a wild 2.5 year old from killing herself (as toddlers and young children seem to constantly strive to do) as pubs are completely unsuitable for children and are also very boring for them too.

A park or play area would be much better and you'd see a mammy all happy with her lovely latte and biscuit safe in the knowledge her kids cannot be harmed, coffee will be drank undisturbed and Kids will be knackered and ready for a nap/bedtime!

Pubs are for drinking and socialising minus kiddies.

con___manx1

It honestly disscusts me when people bring there kids to the pub. Its not a good environment for them to be in .

Ignatius in bloom

How a simple piss take post brought out the massive insecurities of so many. Fascinating!

Ignatius in bloom

con___manx1 wrote: »

It honestly disscusts me when people bring there kids to the pub. Its not a good environment for them to be in .

Actually totally depends on what pub, some are child friendly and are considered family pubs and being a good parent involves teaching your kids boundaries, manners and how to interact properly in different environments. I obviously don't agree with getting locked in front of your kids thats a dumb thing to do but showing that its possible to have a healthy and sociable attitude to different adult outlets is a valuable lesson.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

No, it's an adult environment. It's not fair to park a small child up there so as you can enjoy your pints and your match, and have them bored out of their skull running riot, ruining other adults day who are out for the same thing .. In an adult environment.

Ignatius in bloom

LexieOnRale wrote: »

No, it's an adult environment. It's not fair to park a small child up there so as you can enjoy your pints and your match, and have them bored out of their skull running riot, ruining other adults day who are out for the same thing .. In an adult environment.

Should have clarified i meant for lunch! Also i did specify manners and boundaries .

kunst nugget

LexieOnRale wrote: »

No, it's an adult environment. It's not fair to park a small child up there so as you can enjoy your pints and your match, and have them bored out of their skull running riot, ruining other adults day who are out for the same thing .. In an adult environment.

I don't spend my Sundays in pubs with my kids because I'd end up more bored than them but let's be honest if a pub is serving carvery food, they're looking for that family trade. If you're allergic to children in pubs, don't go near those places.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Lunch is grand, they're not going to be too bored, but there's nothing as sad as seeing kids in a pub on a Sunday, eating crisps and drinking Coke. Racing around, hyper as hell, with nothing to do. Bring them in, feed them, bring them home/to the park.

kunst nugget

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Bring them in, feed them, bring them home/to the park.

Which is exactly what most parents are going to do. It's only one or two sacks that have their kids in there for hours - and I agree with you, it's horrible to see - but they're not in anyway indicative of most parents.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Oh I know that KN. not too long ago I used to be partial to Sunday sociables, and most of the pubs we'd start drinking in would be in the middle of their Sunday lunch. There'd be lots of families, and the majority enjoy their food and leave. But you'll get on then til maybe 4 o clock, and there'll be a few kids racing around like they're possessed, filling themselves up on absolute junk, while mammy and daddy chat to people and enjoy their drinks.

Neyite

kunst nugget wrote: »

I don't spend my Sundays in pubs with my kids because I'd end up more bored than them but let's be honest if a pub is serving carvery food, they're looking for that family trade. If you're allergic to children in pubs, don't go near those places.

I can understand pubs wanting to diversify and try to find ways to make a business profitable, and pub grub aimed at the Sunday Lunch crowd is an obvious way to do that. Probably more profit on a carvery than booze anyway.

But if they want to market a pub as a family outing, then I do think that for the sake of all the patrons, they need to find ways to make it a bit more child-friendly and safer. A pub I know really developed their food trade so its now a booming business and has a little annexe with a baby gate and toys and kids love it. More importantly, they stay put. Another one has a secure beer garden but has swings and slides and sandpit and keeps kids out of everyone's hair. And the best part is, if you don't want to go to a pub that is child-friendly, you just avoid the one with a play area.

Having kids running around in an environment where there is lots of glass, alcohol, hot food, plates, and servers rushing around is a pain in the hole for the staff, who have to be mindful that they don't trip over a crawling baby and scald them with soup, for the mother who cant relax for a second keeping an eye that their kids are not going to run out the door /behind the bar/ into the kitchen, annoying for other patrons because kids are noisy, and its sh!t for the kids too because they are bored and want to play and just end up getting told off for something they cant really help. They are only kids after all.

I can identify with the woman in the OP. If it were me, I know I'd be on point to look after the kid because the OH would be glued to the match. I have no interest. And I'd probably be the one driving too, while he had his couple of pints. So in that case, no way would I even sit through an hour and a half of a match, nor would I expect my kid to. I've a handbag with various toys and things to keep us sane during a meal, but after it, I'd take toddler off to a nearby swing or something while dad and everyone else can watch the match in peace. Pub crowd is happy, I'm happy, kid is happy.

Similarly, Weddings. (yes, I've opened up THAT can of worms!:P) It's pretty simple: If your kid is not invited, don't get the hump, just get a babysitter and enjoy a day without chocolate hand prints on the arse of your dress. If kid IS invited, have a bag of tricks for the ceremony, feed them, let them enjoy the empty dance floor for an hour, then around 7, upstairs they go with a babysitter with a few cousins to watch a DVD with a pile of sweets.

deeduck48

I have 2 kids and love them with all my heart, but i think it is incredibly responsible, to decide not to have kids, if you dont want them. I know a mum , huge wages, great house, new cars, etc etc, hates her 2 kids. is constantly saying that she got pressured into it. Her husband is the same. i am related to her, and tried to diswaid her from having kids 'just because'. She constantly tells said kids, that she'd much prefer a few holidays a year. She is the most non maternal person i have ever ever met, and definitely should have gone with her gut instinct, and not had kids. I have huge resprect for people who are childfree by choice.

Liberosis

deeduck48 wrote: »

I have 2 kids and love them with all my heart, but i think it is incredibly responsible, to decide not to have kids, if you dont want them. I know a mum , huge wages, great house, new cars, etc etc, hates her 2 kids. is constantly saying that she got pressured into it. Her husband is the same. i am related to her, and tried to diswaid her from having kids 'just because'. She constantly tells said kids, that she'd much prefer a few holidays a year. She is the most non maternal person i have ever ever met, and definitely should have gone with her gut instinct, and not had kids. I have huge resprect for people who are childfree by choice.

That story just makes me feel bad for her kids.

Gael23

Chemical castration.

Fluffy Cat 88

deeduck48 wrote: »

I have 2 kids and love them with all my heart, but i think it is incredibly responsible, to decide not to have kids, if you dont want them. I know a mum , huge wages, great house, new cars, etc etc, hates her 2 kids. is constantly saying that she got pressured into it. HER HUSBAND IS THE SAME. i am related to her, and tried to diswaid her from having kids 'just because'. She constantly tells said kids, that she'd much prefer a few holidays a year. She is the most non maternal person i have ever ever met, and definitely should have gone with her gut instinct, and not had kids. I have huge resprect for people who are childfree by choice.

If both her and the husband are "the same" why have they bothered to have not one but TWO unwanted children. I'd understand if it was an unhappy accident after which he got the snip/she got tubal litigation or some such. But twice... that's just dumb!

groucho marx

I hate carvery lunch

lawlolawl

Fluffy Cat 88 wrote: »

If both her and the husband are "the same" why have they bothered to have not one but TWO unwanted children. I'd understand if it was an unhappy accident after which he got the snip/she got tubal litigation or some such. But twice... that's just dumb!

Some people see that as "what you are supposed to do" in society.

It doesn't help that the single and/or childless are always looked at with as being "poor unfortunates who never got to experience x, y and z because they didn't get married and/or have kids".

I love being single and childless at 33. My life ****ing rules compared to most people around my age.

lawlolawl

lawlolawl wrote: »

Some people see that as "what you are supposed to do" in society.

It doesn't help that the single and/or childless are always looked at with as being "poor unfortunates who never got to experience x, y and z because they didn't get married and/or have kids".

I love being single and childless at 33. My life ****ing rules compared to most people around my age.

I'm 40, no kids, have huge envy from my friends.
I don't think society anymore thinks you have to be married with 2.4 children.
My friends envy me, occasionally I envy them ( not very often though, cos I have a great life!)
But each to their own.

monkeysnapper

My now wife and I when we were dating had the conversations about kids and to be honest I made it clear I wasn't sure because I loved my free time , hill walking , cycling , photography , all of which I love to spend whole of a day doing .

We ended up having 3 kids and I do love all 3 to bits and its been a tough few years. I've not done my hobbies as much as I'd like but as kids have got to 4/6 I've started taking them with me on my not as long walks .

The thought of being in a pub with kids sounds like a knightmare . that is a terrible mix and ive only found myself in that position a few times when visiting family and they've booked a meal in pub.

I just get there and let everybody know what food we all want and go for walk out pub and then get in, eat and get them out of there and down playground.

I still do mybown things, life doesn't have to end just because you have kids . plus its good for all parents to have time on their own .

lawlolawl

bubblypop wrote: »

I'm 40, no kids, have huge envy from my friends.
I don't think society anymore thinks you have to be married with 2.4 children.
My friends envy me, occasionally I envy them ( not very often though, cos I have a great life!)
But each to their own.

It really is brilliant being able to do pretty much whatever you want whenever you want.

For instance, the way my work roster is, I get four days off in a row every three weeks.

If I had a family, these days would be filled with things I "have" to do.

Because I don't, they are filled with things I want to do.

Head off on some random city break? Why not!
Go for a drive to wherever and see what shenanigans I can get up to? Grand!
Sit around marathoning something on Netflix or learning how to croquet off the Internet? Sure!
Do literally nothing and yet still have the time of my life? Okay!

I personally see very few upsides to relationships, kids etc. whereas my life now is great and the future looks ****ing peachy.

Compromise with someone else constantly? Nah, you're grand. I'll actually live my life how I want to, thanks.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

God lawlolawl, how selfish of you?
Don't you know that having children is the most worthwhile and selfless thing you can do? Why would you want to travel or have hobbies at your age? Surely you'd want to have children. Who's going to take care of you when you're old?!


(Remember, you're the selfish one!)

Fluffy Cat 88

LexieOnRale wrote: »

God lawlolawl, how selfish of you?
Don't you know that having children is the most worthwhile and selfless thing you can do? Why would you want to travel or have hobbies at your age? Surely you'd want to have children. Who's going to take care of you when you're old?!


(Remember, you're the selfish one!)

Ah sh1te! I'll end up in a nursing home! If I had kids they'd look after me..... only the child free end up in an old folks home

It's selfless to have kids, haul them out of bed at 7am, shove them in a creche for 10 hours a day.... yup that's really selfless!

Anyone who wants a hobby which doesn't involve sh1tty nappies - feckin selfish!

Ha, one of the lads I work with said to me, ' who will look after you when you're old?'

Firstly, as I pointed out to him, his kids could **** him in a nursing home & never visit.
Secondly, with the money I save over 20+ yrs with no kids, I'll pay someone to look after me, if needs be!!!
I think he agreed..

Maximus Alexander

Hammer89, just wanted to remind you never to have kids.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

My mothers cousin lost her husband a few years ago. They had 5 kids, 4 boys and then years later, a daughter. Naturally, the daughter was the apple of both the parents eyes. She was destroyed, got absolutely everything she wanted. The family were quite well off, the father had a very good job, mother didn't work, bit of a trophy wife.

The young one went off to college, didn't work, had rent paid and car bought and had an allowance paid to her every week. She eventually graduated, went on to do additional exams and eventually qualified fully in her chosen field. She's doing quite well, was living at home with the mother rent free.

So anyway, father died. Mother continues on the same as she did when her husband was alive, buying expensive clothes, decorating the house, booking weekends in spas/away with her sister, basically living and loving life.

So that's all grand until the daughter calls her aside and tells her she'll have to stop unnessessary spending, because she's not getting any younger and she'll need her money in order to be able to go into a "nice" home. The woman's only turned 65!

donegaLroad

donegaLroad wrote: »

It is an experience that no one should miss out on, (so long as they are able to have children). It is a life changing experience

Those who have made the decision to not have children will disagree with you there.
Also I'm sure there may be quite a few parents around who don't share your view.

Mint Aero

Has anyone reminded the OP not to have children lately?

gctest50

LexieOnRale wrote: »

..........


So that's all grand until the daughter calls her aside and tells her she'll have to stop unnessessary spending, because she's not getting any younger and she'll need her money in order to be able to go into a "nice" home. The woman's only turned 65!

Unlucky genetics etc, you can get for example alzhemiers at 30 something

may as well be in a nice home as ok one

Speaking about his brother, ( now 43 ) who was diagnosed in 2006, said:

'He's in an old folk's home, he can't move and has to be fed through a tube. He can't speak but can raise a smile sometimes.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2989680/The-man-diagnosed-Alzheimer-s-just-34-Father-lost-four-members-family-disease-says-fears-son-vicitm.html

Menas

gctest50 wrote: »

Unlucky genetics etc, you can get for example alzhemiers at 30 something


may as well be in a nice home as ok one

Yeah, but there is no mention of this woman having early onset Alzheimers. And they dont put patients with this in regular 'old folks' homes.

gctest50

Menas wrote: »

Originally Posted by gctest50
Unlucky genetics etc, you can get for example alzhemiers at 30 something


may as well be in a nice home as ok one

Yeah, but there is no mention of this woman having early onset Alzheimers. And they dont put patients with this in regular 'old folks' homes.

Menas wrote: »

...And they dont put patients with this in regular 'old folks' homes.

and that's why i didn't mention 'old folks' home in the very post you quoted :

Originally Posted by gctest50

may as well be in a nice home as ok one

deeduck48

the couple i was talking about now say they got ' pressured ' into having a child, by their parents , work colleagues and siblings. I feel incredibly sorry for the kids, but from the outside looking in, as long as they are financially secure, people think they are doing great. and as he is and only child, def didnt want just 1, apparently. I was talking to her on the phone one day , and she was on the way out for a walk in the rain, with the toddler, because daddy was watching soccer, so they couldnt make noise.

deeduck48

deeduck48 wrote: »

the couple i was talking about now say they got ' pressured ' into having a child, by their parents , work colleagues and siblings. I feel incredibly sorry for the kids, but from the outside looking in, as long as they are financially secure, people think they are doing great. and as he is and only child, def didnt want just 1, apparently. I was talking to her on the phone one day , and she was on the way out for a walk in the rain, with the toddler, because daddy was watching soccer, so they couldnt make noise.

People make their own choices for reasons often unknown to others. It's impossible to say how things truly are.
Leave them at it.

Agricola

I'd love to have kids myself. It's just the first 18 to 21 years that I struggle with. If only we could get them fully formed!

noaddedsugar

Fluffy Cat 88 wrote: »

Ah sh1te! I'll end up in a nursing home! If I had kids they'd look after me..... only the child free end up in an old folks home

It's selfless to have kids, haul them out of bed at 7am, shove them in a creche for 10 hours a day.... yup that's really selfless!

Anyone who wants a hobby which doesn't involve sh1tty nappies - feckin selfish!

People seem to talk about nappies a lot when they talk about not wanting kids. The nappy times only last a few years. I have two kids, two years apart. So for me it was 4 years where I dealt with nappies. If I live an average lifespan that is a really short period time.

Now they are 6 and 8 and I can have conversations with them, I can get them to my bidding(like when I am too lazy to move but want my phone charger), I actually enjoy their company. Yeah it is still work having them but I don't have them 24hrs a day 7 days a week. My husband was at home with them all day today while I went out and did one of my hobbies. If we want to go out somewhere or just fancy a day off we drop them at their grandparents. The past 8 years have flown by, before I know it they will be 18 and I will be in my mid 40s with plenty of time to do whatever I like when I like.

Some of my closest friends have decided not to have kids, I don't feel sorry for them, they are happy and I am happy they are happy. I do have to bite my tongue with one particular set of friends who never have anything positive to say about children, I get you don't want them and that's cool but ragging on my decision to have them is not cool.