New housing developments in Maynooth

L1011

L1011 wrote: »

Mullen Park behind Lidl has apparently been sold to Tuath Housing entirely, hence why there's finished units and nothing on sale.

At least some of it (if not all) clearly wasn't, as its up for sale now:

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/mullen-park-mullen-park-straffan-road-maynooth-kildare/4447157

Pete123456

L1011 wrote: »

At least some of it (if not all) clearly wasn't, as its up for sale now:

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/mullen-park-mullen-park-straffan-road-maynooth-kildare/4447157

Prices seem very reasonable at 385k for a 1400sq ft 3 bed with a study, but it looks like they’re built on a postage stamp with zero garden and very little privacy.

I’m sure they will sell quickly with the 30k help to buy...

I wonder what the ones for more than 400k are like? I also assume the motorway will be very noisy?

L1011

The motorway will be very noisy for the forseeable future, as TII decided to postpone the low noise surfacing until its widened. You can hear it three or four estates further away

you2008

Pete123456 wrote: »

Prices seem very reasonable at 385k for a 1400sq ft 3 bed with a study, but it looks like they’re built on a postage stamp with zero garden and very little privacy.

I’m sure they will sell quickly with the 30k help to buy...

I wonder what the ones for more than 400k are like? I also assume the motorway will be very noisy?

is the price low as it has zero garden?

L1011

Tiny gardens are the norm on new builds; its the only way to get a profitable density with houses this close to Dublin.

you2008

L1011 wrote: »

Tiny gardens are the norm on new builds; its the only way to get a profitable density with houses this close to Dublin.

many thanks, so there is a graden,just very small, rigth?

L1011

There is, definitely. Some of the photos don't make it that obvious; but the plans are all on the KCC website.

The land cost of a garden of the size of the older estates in Maynooth could be tens of thousands to a hundred grand these days - however, there are a few houses in the middle of the estate that get much bigger, awkwardly shaped gardens due to the shape of the site. Site 131 on the planning has maybe 2x the size of some of the others.

There is a sound deadening berm between the estate and the motorway but it won't do much. They're three floor houses (another modern land space saving technique) so your bedrooms are going to be up high compared to the berm.

you2008

L1011 wrote: »

There is, definitely. Some of the photos don't make it that obvious; but the plans are all on the KCC website.

The land cost of a garden of the size of the older estates in Maynooth could be tens of thousands to a hundred grand these days - however, there are a few houses in the middle of the estate that get much bigger, awkwardly shaped gardens due to the shape of the site. Site 131 on the planning has maybe 2x the size of some of the others.

There is a sound deadening berm between the estate and the motorway but it won't do much. They're three floor houses (another modern land space saving technique) so your bedrooms are going to be up high compared to the berm.

thanks for that, massive site

http://idocsweb.kildarecoco.ie/iDocsWebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=2345275&format=jpeg

Pete123456

L1011 wrote: »

Tiny gardens are the norm on new builds; its the only way to get a profitable density with houses this close to Dublin.

Yeah you’re right, but looking over the last few years it seems they are getting smaller and smaller.

Maybe it’s a reasonable size, but from the photos it seems very very small but I suppose you get a driveway.

EDIT: you’re right, the gardens are reasonable with some of them from the plans

My only concern with the driveways side by side would be dings from the neighbours kids car doors and or bikes etc

you2008

Price on Application LOL

https://www.daft.ie/kildare/new-homes-for-sale/mullen-park-mullen-park-straffan-road-maynooth-kildare-190761/

evil_seed

L1011 wrote: »

The motorway will be very noisy for the forseeable future, as TII decided to postpone the low noise surfacing until its widened. You can hear it three or four estates further away

You can hear the motorway in moyglare hall

FitzElla

evil_seed wrote: »

You can hear the motorway in moyglare hall

I was very disappointed when I heard they were delaying resurfacing the Maynooth/Leixlip section. There are so many people who would have benefited from the reduced noise. The new surface on the Maynooth/Kilcock section of the motorway is so much quieter.

Scoundrel

L1011 wrote: »

At least some of it (if not all) clearly wasn't, as its up for sale now:

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/mullen-park-mullen-park-straffan-road-maynooth-kildare/4447157

The rumour is that a sale fell through for whatever reason.

twinklerunner

FitzElla wrote: »

I was very disappointed when I heard they were delaying resurfacing the Maynooth/Leixlip section. There are so many people who would have benefited from the reduced noise. The new surface on the Maynooth/Kilcock section of the motorway is so much quieter.

What are the chances of a Green Minister for Transport allowing the road widening and new surfacing projects to go ahead? Fairly unlikely, IMHO.

L1011

twinklerunner wrote: »

What are the chances of a Green Minister for Transport allowing the road widening and new surfacing projects to go ahead? Fairly unlikely, IMHO.

Roads are at least partially insulated from him

buffalo

twinklerunner wrote: »

What are the chances of a Green Minister for Transport allowing the road widening and new surfacing projects to go ahead? Fairly unlikely, IMHO.

Resurfacing would reduce noise pollution, widening would just create more congestion and extra air pollution. As L1011 points out though, it's mostly out of his hands at this point.

L1011

There is a proposal to put an inbound bus lane with the widening which would be quite nice for direct coach services from Maynooth and beyond to use.

Suggestion now is that Tuath will be buying the later phases of Mullen Park.

Naos

L1011 wrote: »

There is a proposal to put an inbound bus lane with the widening which would be quite nice for direct coach services from Maynooth and beyond to use.

Suggestion now is that Tuath will be buying the later phases of Mullen Park.

Any idea on the dates they are looking at for this? And also, how much of a difference does that new tarmac make for homes?

There is a notable noise difference when you drive over it.

ghostdancer

Naos wrote: »

Any idea on the dates they are looking at for this? And also, how much of a difference does that new tarmac make for homes?

There is a notable noise difference when you drive over it.

For the widening? Public consultation isn't over until early 2021. Best case scenario you're probably looking at 2023, if not later.

e:

http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/PressReleasesAdverts/PressReleasesAdverts2019/December/AppointmentofAruptotheM4MaynoothtoLeixlipProject.html

18 December 2019
Appointment of Arup to the M4 Maynooth to Leixlip Project

Kildare County Council and South Dublin County Council are delighted to announce the appointment of Arup to progress the M4 Maynooth to Leixlip project as identified in the Government’s €116 billion National Development Plan 2018-2027. The contract will commence in January 2020 with a feasibility study before developing a range of transport options and alternatives that will be presented to the public in a series of consultation events in late 2020 and 2021. It is envisaged that there will be an emerging preferred option by 2021, followed by design, environmental assessment and commencement of statutory processes thereafter.

Pete123456

I wonder will the dart drive prices up for new houses in and around Maynooth also?

Staplor

Pete123456 wrote: »

I wonder will the dart drive prices up for new houses in and around Maynooth also?

There's talk of a Dart for at least 20 years that I can remember.

(There's no Dart coming)

ghostdancer

Electrification of the line will 100% happen at some point. The question is when, given recent pressures on the public finances. It's included in the NDP 2018-2027. EU Funding has already been sought, and tenders went out last year for the carriages, and ground works studies.

the DART coming to Maynooth may have been barstool talk 20 years ago, but I don't remember any serious plans for it then.

20/07/2020

The European Commission has confirmed it will give a grant of €8.8 million for the design phase of the Dart extension to Co Kildare.

The Dart expansion programme plans to extend the Dart line to Maynooth and Celbridge, along with Drogheda in Co Louth. At present, the Dart runs on only one line, from Greystones in Co Wicklow to Malahide, Co Dublin.

The expansion programme is expected to cost €2.6 billion. Funding for this phase was secured under the EU's Connecting Europe Facility which aims to promote growth and jobs through infrastructure investment.

Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan said: “Dart Expansion is set to double the capacity of our rail network and will facilitate an important reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and a shift towards a climate resilient society."

For the Kildare line, the project will facilitate more services, greater capacity and electrification, as well as enhancing the infrastructure into Heuston Station - one of the busiest rail corridors in the country.

The expansion programme is a cornerstone of the Government’s National Development Plan for 2018 to 2027, and also of its major capital programme, Project Ireland 2040. It is scheduled for completion by 2028.

Fine Gael TD Hildegarde Naughton welcomed the news, saying “the current rail system in Dublin is approaching capacity, and without investment, will leave the railway struggling to accommodate the population growth projected for the region.”

Chief Executive of Iarnród Éireann Jim Meade said: “The support for this design phase continues the support we have seen over decades from the European Union for the development of rail infrastructure and services in Ireland.”

27 MAY 2019

Irish Rail are set to replace their entire fleet of DART trains with new electric and battery powered carriages.

The 600 new carriages will be phased in over the next 10 years with transport chiefs saying the new fleet will be the "largest and greenest" in Irish public transport history.

The tender for the new fleet, which was launched today by Irish Rail and the National Transport Authority, is part of DART Expansion, a €2 billion investment under Project Ireland 2040.

The expansion will see the capacity of the rail network increased through investment in up to 300 new carriages, electrification of lines to Maynooth, M3 Parkway, Hazelhatch and Drogheda, and key infrastructure works to allow more trains to operate in the Greater Dublin Area.

Chief Executive Officer of the National Transport Authority, Anne Graham said procurement of the new fleet was the first step in the delivery of the programme.

She said: "The expansion of Dart services is a key part of both the Transport Strategy for the Greater Dublin Area, 2016-2035, and Project Ireland 2040.

"It is also a critical element in the effort to reduce Ireland’s greenhouse gas emissions.

"The recent Oireachtas Climate Action Committee report recommended that the public transport elements of Project Ireland 2040 be prioritised.

"The Committee called for the speedy delivery of public transport investment to encourage more people to choose sustainable modes and leave the car behind.

"Today’s announcement represents a significant step in that direction.”

The current DART fleet of 76 carriages are over 30 years old.

While electricity-powered trains are expected to make up the overwhelming majority of train orders, the tender process is also providing for a possible first tranche of battery-electric hybrid trains.

This is to ensure new trains will be immediately available should more line be electrified beyond 2024.

Irish Rail Chief Executive, Jim Meade said: “The commencement of the tender process for our new fleet is the first major step in the DART expansion project, which will revolutionise public transport in the greater Dublin area, providing an even more frequent and environmentally sustainable commuting option for new and existing communities.

"It will also provide greater capacity for Intercity and regional commuter services as carriages currently utilised in the greater Dublin area will become available for other services.”

Negotiations are already underway between Irish Rail and its supplier seeking to agree an order for at least 41 extra Intercity carriages.

This will add to an existing fleet of 234 vehicles and are planned to enter service from late 2021

A tender process is also underway by the NTA to buy pre-owned trains but this would require modifications to the existing fleet as Ireland’s track gauge differs from that of other railways.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/167910/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

03/06/2020 23:00

DART Expansion Maynooth Line and City Centre Capacity Enhancement - Ground Investigation Contract

Tender for ground investigation contract involving the drilling of cable percussion and rotary core boreholes, excavation of trial pits, geophysical surveying, insitu testing, laboratory testing and production of a factual & interpretative Ground Investigation and Waste Classification Assessment reports and a geophysical surveying report.

Drawings/contracts:
https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_docs.asp?PID=167910&LID=189335&AllowPrint=1"]https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_docs.asp?PID=167910&LID=189335&AllowPrint=1[/URL]

L1011

There will be news this week on that front

Pete123456

Seems there was funding got from the EU (only 8.8million) in the last few weeks also?

https://www.thejournal.ie/dart-expansion-kildare-5155285-Jul2020/

Staplor

I won't be joking my breath, is it 6 level crossings that need to be changed? Sure they couldn't even get the busses to drive to the Rathcoffey side of the town!

L1011

The level crossings is only one small part of it - not even a critical element, but it will make operations safer and more resiliant; as well as slightly faster and with slightly more capacity.

The full DART+ project includes some realignment of the track, additional stations, additional tracks between Adamstown and Heuston, a new maintenance depot in/around Maynooth, interchange with the Metrolink station at Glasnevin, the Docklands station being moved closer to the actual Docklands and the Spencer Dock Luas stop etc etc.

The overall project easily meets and exceeds the international definition of a megaproject, at a ~€2.5Bn cost all in; but its the exact type of spending that the state needs to make right now, and will be able to borrow money at close to or actually 0% interest to do so:

* Skilled construction jobs in Ireland
* Additional driving and operations jobs afterwards
* Majority of construction materials would be sourced domestically for transport cost reasons, delivering further domestic benefits
* EU/EIB will be very willing to lend as the rolling stock will almost inevitably be sourced from a European vendor (Siemens/Alstom/Staedler)
* Quieter, smoother, faster trains that emit no CO2/diesel particulate at the vehicle (lets not get in to a debate over how electricity is generated) will make the train more attractive for commuting and make living near the track nicer. Likely to get more people giving up cars and ticking all the green boxes with the current Minister for Transport.

The Maynooth line is the most advanced in terms of planning and there will be an announcement on design and future consultations etc this week. Hazelhatch is next up, the Drogheda last as its likely to be the cheapest and easiest to do - as the Great Northern Railway had plans for near identical electrification from Dublin to Belfast in the 1950s!

L1011

As expected

https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/about-us/iarnrod-eireann-projects-and-investments/dart-programme/dart-west-public-consultation/dart-west-line-emerging-preferred-option

L1011

Originally I was lead to believe it would be between Maynooth and Leixlip, obviously not!

Dualling the line to the depot will certainly make the argument for a Kilcock extension an awful lot easier.

washburn73

L1011 wrote: »

The level crossings is only one small part of it - not even a critical element, but it will make operations safer and more resiliant; as well as slightly faster and with slightly more capacity.

The full DART+ project includes some realignment of the track, additional stations, additional tracks between Adamstown and Heuston, a new maintenance depot in/around Maynooth, interchange with the Metrolink station at Glasnevin, the Docklands station being moved closer to the actual Docklands and the Spencer Dock Luas stop etc etc.

The overall project easily meets and exceeds the international definition of a megaproject, at a ~€2.5Bn cost all in; but its the exact type of spending that the state needs to make right now, and will be able to borrow money at close to or actually 0% interest to do so:

* Skilled construction jobs in Ireland
* Additional driving and operations jobs afterwards
* Majority of construction materials would be sourced domestically for transport cost reasons, delivering further domestic benefits
* EU/EIB will be very willing to lend as the rolling stock will almost inevitably be sourced from a European vendor (Siemens/Alstom/Staedler)
* Quieter, smoother, faster trains that emit no CO2/diesel particulate at the vehicle (lets not get in to a debate over how electricity is generated) will make the train more attractive for commuting and make living near the track nicer. Likely to get more people giving up cars and ticking all the green boxes with the current Minister for Transport.

The Maynooth line is the most advanced in terms of planning and there will be an announcement on design and future consultations etc this week. Hazelhatch is next up, the Drogheda last as its likely to be the cheapest and easiest to do - as the Great Northern Railway had plans for near identical electrification from Dublin to Belfast in the 1950s!

What's the actual outcome of this likely to be in terms of service in Maynooth? Will there be increased frequency of trains/DART from Maynooth to the city? Will journey times be reduced? Will trains/DART run earlier in the morning and later at night? Just trying to understand the tangible benefits to Maynooth.

L1011

16 trains per hour Clonsilla - City Centre; likely 12 coming from Maynooth and 4 from Dunboyne.

Faster, more reliable, quieter trains. Most trains at peak will be 10-car up from the current mix of 8, 7 and 4.

Glasnevin interchange to allow you to go to Docklands with a max 5min wait in peak, or switch to Metrolink north or south; or head back out the Park Tunnel line - would be quicker than existing public transport options for some places along there.

Operating hour extensions would not be part of this plan but will mirror whatever is in place by then; later trains were already in the pipeline pre-COVID as was a 24h 66 bus.