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Dyr

Sam Russell wrote: »

I live on the No 4 route and never knew what or where Harristown was, nor that it was a destination that facilitated the drivers. I suppose that is reasonable given the length of the route but the route ought to be extended to, or rerouted via, the airport since it is so close to Harristown.

How many passengers are typically on the bus after the bus passes the M50 going towards Harristown?

feck all, yo get a few people getting on or off past the M50 but that's it.

The 4 would'nt be able to deal with the volume of passengers it would pick up if it went to the airport. It's already a basket case of a route

Sam Russell

Bambi wrote: »

feck all, yo get a few people getting on or off past the M50 but that's it.

The 4 would'nt be able to deal with the volume of passengers it would pick up if it went to the airport. It's already a basket case of a route

If it got more passengers, the I would assume it would get more buses.

What makes it a basket case of a route?

alane20

As a regular user of the m3 motorway from navan to Mountjoy square, I curse the fact that the rail link from navan to connelly is just rusting away, previous government planners need hanging

Muahahaha

lxflyer wrote: »

Every bus/coach operator has to pay for using the bus stop facilities at Dublin Airport.

Personally I think that PSO services, given their nature, should be exempt from this as it does not encourage developing extra bus services to/from the airport.

It might be arguable as allowable for commercial services, but I do think its somewhat daft for PSO routes.

I'd agree with that.

Have you any ideas how they calculate the levy at the airport? Is it a percentage of the ticket price or a flat rate for all operators, irrespective of the fares they are receiving? It would seem harsh for the 41 route to be paying the same as Aircoach for instance.

LXFlyer

Sam Russell wrote: »

If it got more passengers, the I would assume it would get more buses.

What makes it a basket case of a route?

The route would need a new schedule, more buses and more running time to ensure reliability.

That's a given if you extend the route.

LXFlyer

Muahahaha wrote: »

I'd agree with that.

Have you any ideas how they calculate the levy at the airport? Is it a percentage of the ticket price or a flat rate for all operators, irrespective of the fares they are receiving? It would seem harsh for the 41 route to be paying the same as Aircoach for instance.

I'd say it is a flat fee - I'm not sure.

Sam Russell

lxflyer wrote: »

The route would need a new schedule, more buses and more running time to ensure reliability.

That's a given if you extend the route.

I accept that.

Do DB adjust routes to take account of usage? I saw a 27x this morning at 9am on its way to UCD with three passengers on it.

LXFlyer

Sam Russell wrote: »

I accept that.

Do DB adjust routes to take account of usage? I saw a 27x this morning at 9am on its way to UCD with three passengers on it.

Well where did you see it? I'm guessing somewhere between Ballsbridge and UCD?

Bear in mind that bus could have been completely full before that, and that an awful lot of people would have got off between the city centre and Ballsbridge.

Sam Russell

lxflyer wrote: »

Well where did you see it? I'm guessing somewhere between Ballsbridge and UCD?

Bear in mind that bus could have been completely full before that, and that an awful lot of people would have got off between the city centre and Ballsbridge.

Exactly right - at Tesco Merrion Centre turning up Nuttley Lane.

However, the point is - do DB adjust schedules depending on passenger numbers - either up or down?

trellheim

As a regular user of the m3 motorway from navan to Mountjoy square, I curse the fact that the rail link from navan to connelly is just rusting away, previous government planners need hanging

Yeek. I'm not sure you'd be happy with a slow trip to Drogheda and then Drogheda into Connolly ? ( off topic I know ) Have you beein using the P&R at Dunboyne ?

Dyr

Sam Russell wrote: »

If it got more passengers, the I would assume it would get more buses.

What makes it a basket case of a route?

It covers a huge distance, it serves two universities. It's prone to being flash packed by the roaming gangs of tourists that seem to only travel in groups of 80 or so


That's before you get to the dublin bus shenanigans, running the buses in convoys, taking buses out of service for portions of the route and then the opposite, running the bus but taking it off RTPI.

You could throw more buses at the route but it won't solve the problems

Also, you'd have to throw a LOT of buses at the route given the sparsity of its weekend timetable

Vic_08

Muahahaha wrote: »

I'd agree with that.

Have you any ideas how they calculate the levy at the airport? Is it a percentage of the ticket price or a flat rate for all operators, irrespective of the fares they are receiving? It would seem harsh for the 41 route to be paying the same as Aircoach for instance.

The coach park is charged by the hour like the carparks.

All the other bus bays are sold to the operators at long-term rates.

They had some sort of highest-bidder system some years ago; that is why Aircoach took over the prime spots directly outside T1 Arrivals, they paid more for them than DB.

The charges for the spots are considerable, I have no doubt it would be a big disincentive to run more routes in there.

The entire bus provision is a joke in DUB, crappy open-air roadside stops that they charge a fortune for and a remote coach park that is used as a de-facto bus station for smaller operators . The space outside T2 is very inefficiently laid out, a proper bus station should have been part of the T2 build with bays and indoor waiting area.

Something like the combined Rail/Bus station in Manchester would be appropriate for the number of scheduled bus/coach services DUB has, then again MAN is owned by the local authority who consider providing services for their constituents whereas DAA just see the bus/coach operators as a profit centre.

trellheim

A smart man in Department of Transport would countercharge DAA by the number of private vehicle journeys taken - that would soon soften their cough. For a supposed semistate they are rapacious sharks

LXFlyer

Sam Russell wrote: »

Exactly right - at Tesco Merrion Centre turning up Nuttley Lane.

However, the point is - do DB adjust schedules depending on passenger numbers - either up or down?

If a route doesn't work or there are capacity issues yes of course they would. That's what Network Direct was about.

But there really hasn't been much scope for change in recent years given the lack of funding - we are only beginning to see changes to schedules again after the recession.

But I don't see that applying in this case - running the bus in service to UCD makes sense, as it can then do a short working from there into the city centre on either the 39a or 46a before heading back to the garage.

As I said above you have to look at it in context.

Sam Russell

lxflyer wrote: »

If a route doesn't work or there are capacity issues yes of course they would. That's what Network Direct was about.

But there really hasn't been much scope for change in recent years given the lack of funding - we are only beginning to see changes to schedules again after the recession.

But I don't see that applying in this case - running the bus in service to UCD makes sense, as it can then do a short working from there into the city centre on either the 39a or 46a before heading back to the garage.

As I said above you have to look at it in context.

Fair enough. (- or is it fare enough).

Dyr

lxflyer wrote: »

If a route doesn't work or there are capacity issues yes of course they would. That's what Network Direct was about.

Cost savings is what network direct was about

LXFlyer

Bambi wrote: »

Cost savings is what network direct was about

Well do you not think reducing unnecessary duplication and excess capacity falls under that?

If you're trying to tell me that there wasn't excess capacity then you're living in a different world.

Now I didn't and don't agree with the weekend cutbacks to the 4, but there were plenty of other changes that were correct, such as integrating bus departures along certain corridors, and reducing unnecessary duplication of routes.

maninasia

Funding is available from different sources to support infrastructure investment. Last government were fools.

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