Civil weddings, religous questions

Hotblack Desiato

So, still no credible explanation as to why these intrusive questions would be asked - or how it would even be legal to do so.

Wonder if AI have heard of this happening?

Absolam

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

So, still no credible explanation as to why these intrusive questions would be asked - or how it would even be legal to do so. Wonder if AI have heard of this happening?

Well, we've only one (?) account; recollected from thirteen years ago, of intrusive questions being asked, the other accounts seem to be of questions somewhat more relevant being asked, weren't they?

wokingvoter

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

So, still no credible explanation as to why these intrusive questions would be asked - or how it would even be legal to do so.

Wonder if AI have heard of this happening?

Are AI like...the politically correct police of officialdom?
Have they got the power to "shut the whole thing down" if they find anybody trying to be religious where they shouldn't be ?
I cant post links but here's what it says on citizens information website about notifying The Man if you want to get married:

A couple getting married are required to to give notification in person of their intention to marry to a Registrar at least 3 months before the intended date of the marriage. The requirement to give a 3-month notice does not apply to civil partners whose civil partnership was registered in Ireland – see 'Civil partners' below.
The notification can be given to any Registrar. When you make the appointment with the Registrar you will be informed what information and documents you need to bring with you. Generally, you and your intended spouse will be required to bring the following:

• Passports as identification.
• Birth Certificates (must bear an apostille stamp if not issued by the Civil Registration Service in Ireland)
• Original final divorce decrees in respect of all previous divorces if either of you is divorced. Further information will be required if it was a foreign divorce and you will require an approved English translation of the divorce decree
• Original dissolutions in respect of all previous civil partnerships if either of you has a civil partnership dissolution
• Final decree of nullity and a letter from the relevant court confirming that no appeal was lodged, if either of you was in a civil partnership or marriage that was annulled by an Irish Court
• Deceased spouse's death certificate and previous civil marriage certificate if either of you is widowed
• PPS Numbers

You will also have to provide information about the intended marriage such as:

• Whether it will be a civil, secular or religious ceremony
• The intended date and location of the marriage
• Details of the proposed solemniser of the marriage
• The names and dates of birth of the two proposed witnesses

You will also have to pay a notification fee.
When you attend the Registrar you will have to make a declaration of no impediment.
The Registrar will issue an acknowlegement to both of you and the proposed solemniser of the marriage confirming the date of receipt of notification. This does not give you permission to marry.

Fred Swanson

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wokingvoter

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I'd say it was always a requirement to provide this information. I don't know why. Id say if you wrote to the Chief Registrar and asked him/her why then they'd probably write back to you.
Either way I suppose anybody could be affronted by any question asked in any application form for public services, but mostly people don't.

Absolam

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If it was an off the cuff remark and the response was not noted anywhere, is it possible that it wasn't, as you originally said 'part of the process' but just a conversational gambit from the particular civil servant talking with you at the time?

Fred Swanson

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Absolam

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Did he say that in an off the cuff manner? As in "Oh, I ask everyone... kind of like hairdressers asking what people are planning for the weekend", or was it a bit more " I ask everyone, the Bishops need to know what you people are getting up to you know".
Actually, why did he say that in the first place? Was there a bit of a conversation going about what he was asking already? Did you ask him what the purpose of the questioning was? Having gone to the effort of asking, you could hardly have left it at "I ask everyone" could you?

wokingvoter

Question 7 on the State Pension application form asks for your mothers maiden name, Question 12 asks for your exact marital status.
Do you think that these questions are part of this conspiracy between the RCC and the State as well?

Fred Swanson

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Hotblack Desiato

wokingvoter wrote: »

Are AI like...the politically correct police of officialdom?

No :rolleyes: but if something like this was happening on a fairly widespread basis they'd probably be aware of it.

A couple getting married are required to to give notification in person of their intention to marry to a Registrar at least 3 months before the intended date of the marriage. The requirement to give a 3-month notice does not apply to civil partners whose civil partnership was registered in Ireland – see 'Civil partners' below.
The notification can be given to any Registrar. When you make the appointment with the Registrar you will be informed what information and documents you need to bring with you. Generally, you and your intended spouse will be required to bring the following:

• Passports as identification.
• Birth Certificates (must bear an apostille stamp if not issued by the Civil Registration Service in Ireland)
• Original final divorce decrees in respect of all previous divorces if either of you is divorced. Further information will be required if it was a foreign divorce and you will require an approved English translation of the divorce decree
• Original dissolutions in respect of all previous civil partnerships if either of you has a civil partnership dissolution
• Final decree of nullity and a letter from the relevant court confirming that no appeal was lodged, if either of you was in a civil partnership or marriage that was annulled by an Irish Court
• Deceased spouse's death certificate and previous civil marriage certificate if either of you is widowed
• PPS Numbers

None of the above have anything whatsoever to do with religion.

[*]Whether it will be a civil, secular or religious ceremony

It was already explained to you why this is asked.

wokingvoter wrote: »

Question 7 on the State Pension application form asks for your mothers maiden name, Question 12 asks for your exact marital status.
Do you think that these questions are part of this conspiracy between the RCC and the State as well?

Neither of them have anything whatsoever to do with religion, and are essential information for establishing your identity and your entitlement to benefits.

Fred Swanson wrote: »

He said it was part of the "process". I am an atheist and herself is a self confessed lapsed CofE. He just nodded when we told him but he didn't write it down anywhere.

So he lied then. He wasn't entitled or required to ask the question, and it can't have been 'part of the process' if it wasn't written down. Nosey git.