Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

CatInABox

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Watching this friendly, I can really see why Roy took the gamble and brought him.

Clue: He's better than all their other players.

Bags of potential that he could realise with an injury free season.

greendom

Marvellous pre-assist from Jack tonight

Seriously though his introduction did improve the impetus of the team.

Bobby Baccala

greendom wrote: »

Marvellous pre-assist from Jack tonight

Seriously though his introduction did improve the impetus of the team.

Far superior midfielder to milner and Rooney. Not convinced by Rooney in the cm position.

Ken Shamrock

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Watching this friendly, I can really see why Roy took the gamble and brought him.

Clue: He's better than all their other players.

Wilshere Is world class, he just needs games.

Alfred Borden

Arsenal fans hype up Wilshere but knock Ramsey. Jacks greatest moment for us was probably making fun of Spurs on our trophy celebration while Ramsey scored us the goal to actually make it possible :pac:

Ol' Donie

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Arsenal fans hype up Wilshere but knock Ramsey. Jacks greatest moment for us was probably making fun of Spurs on our trophy celebration while Ramsey scored us the goal to actually make it possible :pac:

Love Ramsey too. Brilliant player.

gosplan

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Arsenal fans hype up Wilshere but knock Ramsey. Jacks greatest moment for us was probably making fun of Spurs on our trophy celebration while Ramsey scored us the goal to actually make it possible :pac:

The problem with both of them is that we're not giving what they need to succeed.

Wilshire plays on the wing but needs to be deeper with a decent enough holding midfielder behind him, like with him Song and Fab ages back.

Rambo needs to play in the same position but with a different type of DMF.

they can both be world class but not on the wing and not when they're injured.

Quazzie

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Arsenal fans hype up Wilshere but knock Ramsey. Jacks greatest moment for us was probably making fun of Spurs on our trophy celebration while Ramsey scored us the goal to actually make it possible :pac:

Wilshires goal against Norwich is one of the greatest goals I've ever seen.

Pepe LeFrits

That's oversimplifying it gosplan and absolving them of responsibility. In fairness to Jack he's had an awful lot of injuries which makes it very difficult to develop some consistency in his game. However he hasn't exactly always lit it up in central midfield either. He's well capable of playing wide too and personally I'm not convinced at all that a deep midfield role is best suited to him. To me his best qualities are his close control, ability to work through tight spaces and ghost past players, which probably suits a player further up the pitch more than a deep lying one.

He’s rarely shown that he’s got the temperament to play a deeper role (and I’m not sure about the passing range either). That’s not to say he can’t develop these elements in his game and move further back as he matures, but he’s not there now so I think it’s making excuses for him to say he’s not maximising his talent because he’s in the wrong position.

Rambo has his limitations and I agree re: the right midfield partner, but even still he could be doing better and he needs to learn to adjust his game for whenever he doesn't have a midfielder beside him who can smooth out his rough edges.

Ken Shamrock

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Arsenal fans hype up Wilshere but knock Ramsey. Jacks greatest moment for us was probably making fun of Spurs on our trophy celebration while Ramsey scored us the goal to actually make it possible :pac:

Mate your love for Ramsey Is worrying :pac: go back through the times Jack actually played and you'll see many great goals and assists however, his greatest asset Is his ability to control the midfield, check his performance against Barcelona a few years back, an absolute master class.

Give the lad a break, he's had a stupid amount of Injuries and sporadic appearances In his career to but too many stints together, I haven't seen anyone unjustly criticise Ramsey?

Bobby Baccala

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

He’s rarely shown that he’s got the temperament to play a deeper role (and I’m not sure about the passing range either). That’s not to say he can’t develop these elements in his game and move further back as he matures, but he’s not there now so I think it’s making excuses for him to say he’s not maximising his talent because he’s in the wrong position.

Wilsheres passing range and abilities are the last thing I'd call into question about him

Ramsey is very selfish at times.
That is unforgivable for me.
7 goals in 44 appearances.
He's the midfield equivalent of Giroud in attack

Skylinehead

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Arsenal fans hype up Wilshere but knock Ramsey. Jacks greatest moment for us was probably making fun of Spurs on our trophy celebration while Ramsey scored us the goal to actually make it possible :pac:

Biased bollocks, that. What about the time he ran the midfield against the best team the world has ever seen?

I like Ramsey but when he's not scoring goals he's average at best. Positionally lacking, and his passing isn't fantastic either. Wilshere is much better in that area.

mansize

Wilshere is prone to brainfarts that cost the team tho

Baggly

mansize wrote: »

Wilshere is prone to brainfarts that cost the team tho

...for example...

mansize

Pter wrote: »

...for example...

http://dailycannon.com/2015/04/jack-wilshere-returning-arsenal-better-off-without/

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

http://dailycannon.com/2015/04/jack-wilshere-returning-arsenal-better-off-without/

Some dude writes an article over a year ago and that's your proof that Wilshere Is prone to brain farts and costs the team?

Skylinehead

mansize wrote: »

Wilshere is prone to brainfarts that cost the team tho

WIlshere is far more positionally disciplined than Ramsey. He is a bit confrontational at times yes, but aggression isn't a bad thing.

And if you're going to make claims about how Wilshere costs the team with brainfarts, at least do us the courtesy of explaining the arguments yourself instead of expecting us to to read some randomers article.

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Some dude writes an article over a year ago and that's your proof that Wilshere Is prone to brain farts and costs the team?

I don't see anyone else being asked for evidence on their opinions but nyeh

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

I don't see anyone else being asked for evidence on their opinions but nyeh

You didn't give your opinion, you stated a "fact" and then linked us to someone else's opinion...

Baggly

Bottom of that article is a link to another article;

'Joking aside, the substitution and Jack’s subsequent performance caused Twitter to rally behind the midfielder, insisting that he’s one of our best and standing by Roy Hodgson’s decision to bring him to Euro 2016.'

http://dailycannon.com/2016/06/wilsheres-comes-on-for-england-they-score/

So even if this site doesnt like Jack, their view is that the rest of Twitter does.

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

You didn't give your opinion, you stated a "fact" and then linked us to someone else's opinion...

I proffered an opinion just like anyone else did

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Some dude writes an article over a year ago and that's your proof that Wilshere Is prone to brain farts and costs the team?

He hasn't played much this season where would you gather evidence from this season????

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

I proffered an opinion just like anyone else did

You made a bold statement about a player and have provided nothing to back It up?

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

You made a bold statement about a player and have provided nothing to back It up?

I gave that article that went through it

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

I gave that article that went through it

Ok mate.

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Wilshere Is world class, he just needs games.

This is a very bold statement that didn't have any coresponding evidence, but it's popular so no one questions it.

Arsenal have a few World Class players - why is Wilshere one?

eagle eye

Did Wilshere give up the cigarettes?

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

This is a very bold statement that didn't have any coresponding evidence, but it's popular so no one questions it.

Arsenal have a few World Class players - why is Wilshere one?

It's hardly a popular statement In fairness.

I think he's world class because he possesses world class qualities. His passion determination and commitment are almost unmatched at this club, he's got excellent positioning, awareness and vision. His passing Is very good his link up play Is excellent and when he goes forward he makes things happen.

He's extremely versatile In that he can be effective In an attacking midfield role In a holding midfield role or on the wings. He's not a goal scorer per say but he has scored some excellent goals In his time. He doesn't perform world class all the time nor does anyone. But he Is a world class player, he just needs to consistently play.

All my opinion of course, but at least i gave one.

Quazzie

Wislhires sending off against United certainly cost us points and a lot more that year. In fact you could use that whole game as example of how Wilshire has brainfarts.

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

It's hardly a popular statement In fairness.

I think he's world class because he possesses world class qualities. His passion determination and commitment are almost unmatched at this club, he's got excellent positioning, awareness and vision. His passing Is very good his link up play Is excellent and when he goes forward he makes things happen.

He's extremely versatile In that he can be effective In an attacking midfield role In a holding midfield role or on the wings. He's not a goal scorer per say but he has scored some excellent goals In his time. He doesn't perform world class all the time nor does anyone. But he Is a world class player, he just needs to consistently play.

All my opinion of course, but at least i gave one.

Now you did - I would see that as saying he has world class potential and as you say it's all opinion with 0 examples or evidence

Ken Shamrock

Quazzie wrote: »

Wislhires sending off against United certainly cost us points and a lot more that year. In fact you could use that whole game as example of how Wilshire has brainfarts.

The worlds best players get red cards all the time It's part of the game, Zidane,Vieira,Keane etc etc etc. I don't think you can use It as stick to beat them with though?

mansize

I wouldn't call a guy who smokes and off field behaviour as examples of determination or commitment - quite the opposite in fact

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

Now you did - I would see that as saying he has world class potential and as you say it's all opinion with 0 examples or evidence

Apart from countless excellent performances? Assists? Goals? I mean It's all out there, If you watch football you'll have seen It.

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

The worlds best players get red cards all the time It's part of the game, Zidane,Vieira,Keane etc etc etc. I don't think you can use It as stick to beat them with though?

If he was half the player Zizou was I'd accept the cards

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

I wouldn't call a guy who smokes and off field behaviour as examples of determination or commitment - quite the opposite in fact

Holy mother of god...

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Apart from countless excellent performances? Assists? Goals? I mean It's all out there, If you watch football you'll have seen It.

His best performances have been in an England shirt against below par opposition

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Holy mother of god...

A committed player is committed to the club and health and fitness would be a priority

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Apart from countless excellent performances? Assists? Goals? I mean It's all out there, If you watch football you'll have seen It.

You would see his brain farts too

Skylinehead

mansize wrote: »

A committed player is committed to the club and health and fitness would be a priority

If Wilshere turns out like Socrates I won't be complaining.

mansize

Skylinehead wrote: »

If Wilshere turns out like Socrates I won't be complaining.

Let's not get too philosophical 😜

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

A committed player is committed to the club and health and fitness would be a priority

He Is healthy and extremely fit, maybe you should worry about more Important things than someone having a sly fag every now and then when It's completely irrelevant to anything, If you never saw It in the papers you'd never even know.

mansize wrote: »

You would see his brain farts too

Show me them, I haven't seen many.

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

He Is healthy and extremely fit, maybe you should worry about more Important things than someone having a sly fag every now and then when It's completely irrelevant to anything, If you never saw It in the papers you'd never even know.



Show me them, I haven't seen many.

Show my his excellent performances- in an Arsenal shirt which is far easier as highlights are more readily available than errors online

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

He Is healthy and extremely fit, maybe you should worry about more Important things than someone having a sly fag every now and then when It's completely irrelevant to anything, If you never saw It in the papers you'd never even know.



Show me them, I haven't seen many.

His fitness levels aren't at the level of the top pros

Baggly

mansize wrote: »

His fitness levels aren't at the level of the top pros

At this stage, you actually have to be joking and pulling our legs.

Pull a cogent argument together man and post it in 1 post.

He is a top pro, who has been injured. When he hasn't been injured, he has been hyper fit. It's reasonable to assume he wouldn't be picked by AW otherwise, added to the fact that there isn't a lick of fat on him and he runs and runs, until the game is over or he is subbed off.

Ken Shamrock

mansize wrote: »

Show my his excellent performances- in an Arsenal shirt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzcypMCKiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNATMQUEZEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6HWZTlER5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rq_Llu5efU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iMcDk52GIU

etc etc

mansize wrote: »

His fitness levels aren't at the level of the top pros

:rolleyes: for the sake of anyone reading this thread and my own sanity, we're done.

mansize

All the way back to 2011 for clips of a world class player...

Baggly

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywzcypMCKiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNATMQUEZEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6HWZTlER5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rq_Llu5efU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iMcDk52GIU

etc etc



:rolleyes: for the sake of anyone reading this thread and my own sanity, we're done.

Your pull out skillz have improved greatly in the past year, Ken.

Baggly

mansize wrote: »

All the way back to 2011 for clips of a world class player...

Yep and all the way up to 2016.

Ken Shamrock

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

:rolleyes: for the sake of anyone reading this thread and my own sanity, we're done.

Has been a welcome change from the usual topics