Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

Pepe LeFrits

13/14 and 14/15 were unusual but 15/16 was business as usual to be honest, and 16/17 has been business as usual so far. The money spent on Xhaka is nothing in today's market.

Pepe LeFrits

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

13/14 and 14/15 were unusual but 15/16 was business as usual to be honest, and 16/17 has been business as usual so far. The money spent on Xhaka is nothing in today's market.

Examples of other seasons like 15/16? Based purely on net spend?

Funny how Xhaka signing can have a negative spin put on it.

Ken Shamrock

Basil3 wrote: »

Examples of other seasons like 15/16? Based purely on net spend?

Funny how Xhaka signing can have a negative spin put on it.

Nobody has put a negative spin on us signing Xhaka.

The problem is we need a CF, a CB, a RW. Nobody knows if we are going to get what we need and judging by past transfer windows it's hard for people to be optimistic about Wenger addressing the areas where we require quality.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

It's the manner in how we bought those massive signings, massive fan unrest, pressure on Wenger to buy someone, last minute panic buys (mostly)

DeclanRe

We were clearly in for Vardy, so Wenger obviously sees a gap there. So Im sure he will still address it. To be honest - im happy he is taking his time and looking at all the options, and not just pulling the trigger and spending 30+ million on someone like Mane!
I also think we will get a decent winger.
There are 2 long months left, lets not start panicking just yet.
Although - I would be concerned with the start of our season.

Sanchez needs a break, as does Ramsey, Giroud, Ozil and Kos

Liverpool will be a tricky one if we are missing all these guys

Bageaux Cannes

Bageaux Cannes wrote: »

It's the manner in how we bought those massive signings, massive fan unrest, pressure on Wenger to buy someone, last minute panic buys (mostly)

Which big signings were last minute panic buys?

I wouldn't call Welbeck a massive signing, but I know he was last minute to cover injury.

Ozil wasn't last minute panic, as far as I remember. It was reliant on the Bale deal going through, which happened the day before.

I know we've made a few signings at the end of the window in the past, but that's back when we were aiming to get value buying players for £10-15m and balance the books.

DeclanRe

Utd in talks to sign Pogba! Well thats worrying

Ken Shamrock

DeclanRe wrote: »

Utd in talks to sign Pogba! Well thats worrying

Exactly the type of player we need in the middle

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

DeclanRe wrote: »

Utd in talks to sign Pogba! Well thats worrying

As if we would be in for a player like pogba. We're probably looking for the "next pogba" playing for the under 15s at some lower French division club.

greendom

Basil3 wrote: »

Which big signings were last minute panic buys?

I wouldn't call Welbeck a massive signing, but I know he was last minute to cover injury.

Ozil wasn't last minute panic, as far as I remember. It was reliant on the Bale deal going through, which happened the day before.

I know we've made a few signings at the end of the window in the past, but that's back when we were aiming to get value buying players for £10-15m and balance the books.

Mertersacker. Arteta etc that came after the 8 2 defeat at OT

Polo_Mint

Bageaux Cannes wrote: »

As if we would be in for a player like pogba. We're probably looking for the "next pogba" playing for the under 15s at some lower French division club.

Well going from experience, When you find him, dont let him leave for free and then have to buy him back for a Bazillion pounds.

Always a lesson learned

brianregan09

So I wonder is there anything in the rumours on twitter today of a 40 odd million bid for draxler bid going in

gosplan

brianregan09 wrote: »

So I wonder is there anything in the rumours on twitter today of a 40 odd million bid for draxler bid going in

IMO if we get a wide player, it'll be someone that can play up front too.

The backdrop to all of this is that Giroud is the only striker we have till Christmas so a purchase will be made there.

DvB

brianregan09 wrote: »

So I wonder is there anything in the rumours on twitter today of a 40 odd million bid for draxler bid going in

Think that ship has sailed.

L'prof

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

13/14 and 14/15 were unusual but 15/16 was business as usual to be honest, and 16/17 has been business as usual so far. The money spent on Xhaka is nothing in today's market.

Improved our squad with Cesh and no major departures. Doesn't sound like business as usual to me!

Ken Shamrock

L'prof wrote: »

Improved our squad with Cesh and no major departures. Doesn't sound like business as usual to me!

We bought a goalkeeper when we needed a CF, CB, CDM and RW. Sounds like business as usual to me.

gosplan

Cech/Ospina
Debuchy - Chambers - Gabriel - Monreal
Elneny - Xhaka
Ozil - Sanchez
Welbeck

That's nearly a full team we've signed since we last had to sell someone we didn't want to (RVP)

People saying 'business as usual' have short memories.

wandatowell

Average players bottling it every season.


Arsene with the same excuses.


Business as usual indeed.

speedboatchase

L'Equipe linking us to a French Lille full-back named Djibril Sidibé: http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Arsenal-fonce-sur-djibril-sidibe/704073

Apparently everything was agreed for him to join Monaco for €15m, as of Monday, but we've jumped into discussions with him.

mansize

How sexual would Giroud and Griezmann up front be for Arsenal!!

wandatowell

wandatowell wrote: »

Average players bottling it every season.


Arsene with the same excuses.


Business as usual indeed.

I know another thing that is business as usual :pac:

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

And that folks is why Giroud is only good enough for a place on the bench.

tayto lover

How slow was Giroud there? He ain't a sprinter.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

tayto lover wrote: »

How slow was Giroud there? He ain't a sprinter.

It's horrible to watch. So slow.

gandalf

Fairly happy with Ozil getting more of rest than Kos and Giroud which will be the case if the Germans don't score in the next 5 minutes

gosplan

wandatowell wrote: »

Average players bottling it every season.


Arsene with the same excuses.


Business as usual indeed.

We were talking about the transfer market.

But sure whatever.

April was rainy. FFS business as usual.

JustTheOne

I vaguely remember us being linked with griezman a few years ago.

How did we end up with giroud and atlethico end up with him?

gandalf

JustTheOne wrote: »

I vaguely remember us being linked with griezman a few years ago.

How did we end up with giroud and atlethico end up with him?

I'm kind of hoping that Arsene has a few too many Stella Artios one night and puts in a drunken bit for Griezmann and it's accepted.......

If Carlsberg did dreams.............:D

JustTheOne

gandalf wrote: »

I'm kind of hoping that Arsene has a few too many Stella Artios one night and puts in a drunken bit for Griezmann and it's accepted.......

If Carlsberg did dreams.............:D

We were definitely linked with him years ago.

Shame.

mansize

We've been linked with most players at some stage...

Bobby Baccala

JustTheOne wrote: »

We were definitely linked with him years ago.

Shame.

Yeah we were linked to Griezmann and we all assumed Wenger would convert him from a winger to a striker and look how well that turned out. Think we got Sanchez instead?

extra gravy

Sad for Ozil but hopefully the other two boys can finish the job on Sunday.

speedboatchase

speedboatchase wrote: »

L'Equipe linking us to a French Lille full-back named Djibril Sidibé: http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Arsenal-fonce-sur-djibril-sidibe/704073

Apparently everything was agreed for him to join Monaco for €15m, as of Monday, but we've jumped into discussions with him.

Apparently in tomorrow's L'Equipe it says: 'Arsenal have submitted a salary offer to Lille full-back Djibril Sidibé, but no bid yet'. That's from the Twitter account of Get French Football (@GFFN).

gosplan

speedboatchase wrote: »

Apparently in tomorrow's L'Equipe it says: 'Arsenal have submitted a salary offer to Lille full-back Djibril Sidibé, but no bid yet'. That's from the Twitter account of Get French Football (@GFFN).

That'd probably be Gibbs out the door so.

Then Walcott please.

Then buy a striker.

kellso81

gosplan wrote: »

That'd probably be Gibbs out the door so.

He's a right back, bad news for Jenkinson.

Pepe LeFrits

L'prof wrote: »

Improved our squad with Cesh and no major departures. Doesn't sound like business as usual to me!

You’re moving the goal posts now. The context of this is you objecting to a guy saying there wouldn’t be a big splurge and it’d be business as usual. We’ve signed quality players before. Signing Cech alone for £10m isn’t a splurge under any definition, and frankly neither is Xhaka, not when the new reality is mid-table premiership teams are going for players for that sort of money.

I think everyone who supports Arsenal understands what ‘business as usual’ means; I really don’t know why you decided to take issue with this guy's use of the term. We may have loosened the purse strings a bit in recent years but we still under-invest relative to our rivals and leave the team glaringly short in crucial areas as a matter of routine. We'll sign one or two good players and do enough to finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Business as usual.

Basil3 wrote: »

Examples of other seasons like 15/16? Based purely on net spend?

Funny how Xhaka signing can have a negative spin put on it.

Transfer fees go up. Bergkamp for £7.5m in 1995 was a bigger outlay then than Xhaka is now.

No negative spin, it’s just what it is.

tayto lover

Gibbs going then?
Hopefully. Then he can duck out of the way of the ball for some other team.

Bobby Baccala

kellso81 wrote: »

He's a right back, bad news for Jenkinson.

Seems he can play both comfortably, like Azpilicueta. Played most his football at left back last year as far as I can tell.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Gibbs going then?
Hopefully. Then he can duck out of the way of the ball for some other team.

Still blows my mind that you can have such hate towards a guy who hardly played for us last season, and when he did, he played well (generally).

Pepe LeFrits

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Transfer fees go up. Bergkamp for £7.5m in 1995 was a bigger outlay then than Xhaka is now.

No negative spin, it’s just what it is.

Poor example, but anyway.

£35m for a player in his position and at his age is a decent chunk of money, even by today's standards.

tayto lover

Basil3 wrote: »

Still blows my mind that you can have such hate towards a guy who hardly played for us last season, and when he did, he played well (generally).

It's over several years.
I have no time for cowardly players.
Never saw much in Gibbs tbh.
The reason he played so little is because he's no use.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

It's over several years.
I have no time for cowardly players.
Never saw much in Gibbs tbh.
The reason he played so little is because he's no use.

Yeah, I view all footballers as cowards, so I guess that's the difference. I'm trying to think of a player who doesn't turn away from a ball.

Anyway, I think he's a decent squad player. I would only get rid of him if someone is going to push Monreal to backup LB. The problem is why would you even waste money/effort doing that, when there are much more pressing issues in other positions?

emmetlego

Basil3 wrote: »

and when he did, he played well (generally).

That's a very firm statement! I personally don't think he was anywhere near the required standard. He was brought on in games to see out results, and gave us far too many scares with missed tackles, awful passing and the aforementioned "ducking" episodes! Personally. Would like to see a replacement, and in an ideal world, one who would challenge Monreal for the starting berth.

domrush

To improve on Monreal you're looking at outlaying 25 million. Anyone going for that kind of money doesn't go to sit on the bench. Gibbs is a good squad player and performed fine for the games he played IMO. Monreal is also a consistent performer for us, feel no need to improve on him. He also has the fitness to play almost every game. A striker and a RW are far far more important.

On a seperate note, Ramsey is shown his ability at CM during the Euros when he's not shackled with a lot of defensive duties. Could a Xhaka-Ramsey partnership bear fruit? And if so, could Caz possibly fill the RW role? I have no faith in Walcott and seemingly Campbell won't be given a shot regardless of his ability or attitude

Skylinehead

Left back is the least of our problems really, Monreal is class and while Gibbs does have some faults, he's a backup player and is perfectly fine for that role.

tayto lover

Basil3 wrote: »

Yeah, I view all footballers as cowards, so I guess that's the difference. I'm trying to think of a player who doesn't turn away from a ball.

Anyway, I think he's a decent squad player. I would only get rid of him if someone is going to push Monreal to backup LB. The problem is why would you even waste money/effort doing that, when there are much more pressing issues in other positions?

But all footballers are not cowards. Gibbs is.
Plenty of evidence even during the the Euros of defenders throwing themselves in the way of shots i.e Rep of Irl, N. Irl, Wales, Iceland, France, Germany, Italy etc etc.
If we got 10 million for Gibbs and replaced him with another 10 million brave defender i'd be very happy.
He's been a senior panel player for 10 years and has got worse every year imo.

domrush

tayto lover wrote: »

But all footballers are not cowards. Gibbs is.
Plenty of evidence even during the the Euros of defenders throwing themselves in the way of shots i.e Rep of Irl, N. Irl, Wales, Iceland, France, Germany, Italy etc etc.
If we got 10 million for Gibbs and replaced him with another 10 million brave defender i'd be very happy.
He's been a senior panel player for 10 years and has got worse every year imo.

I doubt he's even at the club 10 years ffs and he's never been a senior player, he's only about 25 now. He has regressed over the past two or three years but he's more than adequate to play the role of second choice left back.

tayto lover

domrush wrote: »

I doubt he's even at the club 10 years ffs and he's never been a senior player, he's only about 25 now. He has regressed over the past two or three years but he's more than adequate to play the role of second choice left back.

Maybe you should have looked it up before posting

domrush

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe you should have looked it up before posting

From his wikipedia page he managed a grand total of 18 league appearances at the club in his first five years..

tayto lover

domrush wrote: »

From his wikipedia page he managed a grand total of 18 league appearances at the club in his first five years..

And we know the reason why?
He's only getting on now when Monrael loses a leg.