Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

gosplan

Basil3 wrote: »

Yup, I know. It got me interested. I looked up his stats, and for a pure goalscorer, he doesn't hit the target very often.

Example, last season. Only 2 shots per 90 minutes, and only 1 of them on target. 1 shot on target per match....Giroud has double the shots, and double on target.

I'd more look at accuracy and conversion rate than sheer volume of shots.

If we're saying 2 shots per game, then he has a 25% conversion rate which would be super with us.

gosplan

gosplan wrote: »

I'd more look at accuracy and conversion rate than sheer volume of shots.

If we're saying 2 shots per game, then he has a 25% conversion rate which would be super with us.

Yeah, it's a good ratio. Just needs to be shooting a lot more, otherwise he won't get 20 in a season. Maybe Ozil can help with that

keano_afc

We're not getting Higuain, so at this stage I think Icardi is probably our best option. And lets face it, nobody wants us to start another season with just Giroud.

wandatowell

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There is no point having useless unreliable players on the bench either.[/quote]

Amen to that.

Fergie always had his subs bursting to get on the pitch to impress him. Don't see the same motivation in the Arsenal players.

wandatowell

keano_afc wrote: »

We're not getting Higuain, so at this stage I think Icardi is probably pur best option. And lets face it, nobody wants us to start another season with just Giroud.

You'll be very surprised at the support Giroud gets in this forum.

Don't understand it myself.

emmetlego

Gas fans! A wife of a footballer tweets from London (allegedly) and this thread goes into meltdown.

A couple of things.

1) Any person can change their location details on a tweet!

2) she's probably just doing it to drive a better deal from his current club.

Lastly, as I don't really know if Icardi is any good, but if we can't get the top class fellas we need, then at least a good option instead of Giroud is certainly most welcome.

keano_afc

wandatowell wrote: »

You'll be very surprised at the support Giroud gets in this forum.

Don't understand it myself.

I'm not against Giroud. I happen to think he's a bloody good player. But not having a viable alternative is mismanagement. We've suffered for too long, there is no reason why we should be starting yet another season with just him leading our line.

greendom

wandatowell wrote: »

You'll be very surprised at the support Giroud gets in this forum.

Don't understand it myself.

I really like Giroud and I don't understand why so many under-estimate him. He does need another striker to compete with him/play alongside him/replace him though.

extra gravy

I think nearly all of us in here think Giroud is a good striker but his biggest problem is the boots he had to fill. When you compare him to the strikers before him - RVP, Henry, Anelka, Wright - he's just not in their league. And that's not his fault but it might explain the fan's frustration. As Wenger once said, if you eat caviar every day it's difficult to return to sausages.

Not saying its going to happen but for me if we bought Icardi over Higuain it would make more sense in terms of longer term and sell on value.

Sure Higuain is probably a better player and we should have went for him back in 2013, but at this stage, Icardi could develop more as he has a bit of youth on his side and we could get better value out of him over the next three seasons and sell him at a profit if he goes well. Wages probably wouldnt be as high either.

L'prof

extra gravy wrote: »

As Wenger once said, if you eat caviar every day it's difficult to return to sausages.

Never had caviar before, but I think I'd prefer sausages!

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure Higuain is probably a better player and we should have went for him back in 2013, but at this stage, Icardi could develop more as he has a bit of youth on his side and we could get better value out of him over the next three seasons and sell him at a profit if he goes well. Wages probably wouldnt be as high either.

Selling on players for profit should no longer be thought of as a positive. At this stage Arsenal should be holding on to all their best players!

itsjaybud

Deleted User wrote: »

Not saying its going to happen but for me if we bought Icardi over Higuain it would make more sense in terms of longer term and sell on value.

Sure Higuain is probably a better player and we should have went for him back in 2013, but at this stage, Icardi could develop more as he has a bit of youth on his side and we could get better value out of him over the next three seasons and sell him at a profit if he goes well. Wages probably wouldnt be as high either.

This is so depressing to read!

itsjaybud

itsjaybud wrote: »

This is so depressing to read!

I think its better to have a player of sell on value after two seasons if you are forking out big money for him though tbh irregardless of the longevity of his term at Arsenal. If its short term its better that we are able to make a bit of money on him. His age is an advantage in this regard.

L'prof

L'prof wrote: »

Selling on players for profit should no longer be thought of as a positive. At this stage Arsenal should be holding on to all their best players!

I don't see the need to sell players on at a profit all the time but it's annoying seeing that we only ever seem to let players go at the end of contracts or when they retire lately.

KaiserGunner

Deleted User wrote: »

Not saying its going to happen but for me if we bought Icardi over Higuain it would make more sense in terms of longer term and sell on value.

Sure Higuain is probably a better player and we should have went for him back in 2013, but at this stage, Icardi could develop more as he has a bit of youth on his side and we could get better value out of him over the next three seasons and sell him at a profit if he goes well. Wages probably wouldnt be as high either.

If this is Wengers last season (don't know yet though) than he should just buy the best striker that he can and look at it in a short term view, to go all out this season and try to win one last league title. It's an awful lot of money to pay, but Wenger deserves to treat himself for once and not worry about longevity and sell on value.

He could sign a new contract I suppose, I'm sure we will find out either way soon enough.

L'prof

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't see the need to sell players on at a profit all the time but it's annoying seeing that we only ever seem to let players go at the end of contracts or when they retire lately.

I genuinely have no issue with this whatsoever! Even when they were selling all their best players, they never seemed to be able to get crazy money for them!

speedboatchase

My worry is that Chelsea are not done yet in the striker market and can outbid us for anyone. They still haven't given up on Morata at this point so if the Icardi link is real, let's get it done quick before the options start to dry up.

gosplan

itsjaybud wrote: »

This is so depressing to read!

It's obvious though.

Long term Higuain will cost us 80 million from our accumulated transfer kitty.

Icardi would cost nothing if he was sold on.

Being happy with this is all provided we spend the rest on players.

I'd still personally go Higuain but if someone's arguing that Icardi allows us to fill the gap spend the 80 million on transfers over the net few years, I don't think they're bang out of line.

Clubs have to consider this. Now way would Pogba get 100 million if he was 29.

Quazzie

L'prof wrote: »

I genuinely have no issue with this whatsoever! Even when they were selling all their best players, they never seemed to be able to get crazy money for them!

Who is that to the right in your sig?

Hyzepher

What's the situation with Aubameyang? I havent heard anything about a potential move out of BVB. With the money quoted for Higuain I'd go for Aubameyang first.

L'prof

Quazzie wrote: »

Who is that to the right in your sig?

Sanchez?

Bobby Baccala

Hyzepher wrote: »

What's the situation with Aubameyang? I havent heard anything about a potential move out of BVB. With the money quoted for Higuain I'd go for Aubameyang first.

Aubameyang would probably cost us the same, has 4 years left on his contract and seems happy at Dortmund.

speedboatchase

speedboatchase wrote: »

My worry is that Chelsea are not done yet in the striker market and can outbid us for anyone. They still haven't given up on Morata at this point so if the Icardi link is real, let's get it done quick before the options start to dry up.

Costa is making a bit of noise to leave too.

speedboatchase

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Aubameyang would probably cost us the same, has 4 years left on his contract and seems happy at Dortmund.

I'd say Aubameyang would cost about €25-30m more than Icardi. But can't see Dortmund selling him in the same window they sell Hummels and Mkhitaryan.

L'prof

L'prof wrote: »

Selling on players for profit should no longer be thought of as a positive. At this stage Arsenal should be holding on to all their best players!

All agents are greedy though. If enough noise is made then a club will always sell

Bobby Baccala

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Costa is making a bit of noise to leave too.

I wouldn't say no to Costa at Arsenal, we need a player everyone hates that isn't Wilshere. People seem to forget how good a striker he actually is too, played a major part in 2 title wins in the past 3 seasons.

Gringo180

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I wouldn't say no to Costa at Arsenal, we need a player everyone hates that isn't Wilshere. People seem to forget how good a striker he actually is too, played a major part in 2 title wins in the past 3 seasons.

Id burn me jersey if I seen that scumbag in it.

Bobby Baccala

Gringo180 wrote: »

Id burn me jersey if I seen that scumbag in it.

That's another way of looking at it :pac:

wandatowell

Pogba pretty much a done deal to Utd.

mansize

Gringo180 wrote: »

Id burn me jersey if I seen that scumbag in it.

I'd say they would give him a new one 😜

Alfred Borden

wandatowell wrote: »

Pogba pretty much a done deal to Utd.

Ramsey is miles ahead and cost 1/20th of what Pogba will. Please let it go through

Gringo180

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Ramsey is miles ahead and cost 1/20th of what Pogba will. Please let it go through

He is when he plays for Wales but hasnt really shown his best for us in a couple of seasons. He was bang average last season, cant fault his work ethic but he wasnt up to it quality wise.

j14

Supposedly Mario Gomez is not going back on loan to Besiktas. He's 31 now but would he be worth a punt?
I'd still prefer a pacy striker but it seems like we are dragging our heels as usual.

AdamD

Ramsey isn't great at controlling the game in a possession system, hes strong in broken play and counter attacks, hence looking better for Wales than Arsenal. I'd take all International Football with a pinch of salt, most teams they're playing against are half filled with league 1 level players.

Ramsey Xhaka
Could work very well though, Xhaka seems to have more of a controlling passing game.

Lots of foreign press reporting Icardi. I'd be happy with that, good goal record and age profile.

Gringo180

AdamD wrote: »

Ramsey isn't great at controlling the game in a possession system, hes strong in broken play and counter attacks, hence looking better for Wales than Arsenal. I'd take all International Football with a pinch of salt, most teams they're playing against are half filled with league 1 level players.

Ramsey Xhaka
Could work very well though, Xhaka seems to have more of a controlling passing game.

Good analysis and I agree with that. He could easily stop with the silly flicks and going for the killer pass all the time and just try and retain the ball and play the simple pass.

Alfred Borden

AdamD wrote: »

Lots of foreign press reporting Icardi. I'd be happy with that, good goal record and age profile.

https://twitter.com/AFCPressWatch/status/755896008907845632

emergingstar

Gringo180 wrote: »

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Ramsey is miles ahead and cost 1/20th of what Pogba will. Please let it go through

He is when he plays for Wales but hasnt really shown his best for us in a couple of seasons. He was bang average last season, cant fault his work ethic but he wasnt up to it quality wise.

Ramsey works in the spaces for Wales, that Ozil works in for Arsenal

It's why I said yesterday Wengers biggest job will be finding a system or formation that can get the best of both of them

speedboatchase

Alfred Borden wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AFCPressWatch/status/755896008907845632

Seeing quotes from the interview and it sounds pretty definitive. What are we up to at all at all at all?

ronjo

speedboatchase wrote: »

Seeing quotes from the interview and it sounds pretty definitive. What are we up to at all at all at all?

Dont have access to twitter at work.
What does it say?

wawaman

ronjo wrote: »

Dont have access to twitter at work.
What does it say?

He is staying put. In other news Mario Gomez is availible !!!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

speedboatchase wrote: »

What are we up to at all at all at all?

The usual... Buying one player early to sell season tickets, buying some Japanese player to make the Asian supporters feel more than the fact that they're just another cash stream, fannying around for the rest of the summer until fan rage makes Wenger buy a Kim Kallstrom/Danny wellbeck on deadline day. Go into the season without strengthening key areas, lose the opening game, qualify second in our CL group, get knocked out by Barca/bayern, beat United/Chelsea/city once in the league, proclaim ourselves title challengers, trip up over whatever team Sam Allerdyce is managing, take 5 points from a potential 21 somewhere in the season, finish fourth. Wenger in/Wenger out arguments.

Repeat.

speedboatchase

ronjo wrote: »

Dont have access to twitter at work.
What does it say?

http://www.football-italia.net/87707/icardi-i-only-want-inter

Mauro Icardi has a 'strong bond' with Inter and is 'working to stay', but he will 'behave like a professional'.

The agent is being linked with a move to a variety of other teams, including Napoli, Atletico Madrid and most recently Arsenal.

The polemical statements released by the player's agent and wife Wanda Nara have kicked off a tense situation, with the Argentine somewhat at odds with the club and the fans.

“I'm here, and I'm happy here, I say that all the time,” Icardi told Il Corriere dello Sport. “I have a contract with Inter until 2019 and they're my team. For everything else, it's the club that has to speak. I'm working to improve my game, to play well and to provide options for the Coach.

“My entire family's objective is to stay in Milan. I never concealed the fact that I'm happy in this city, as are Wanda and the children. Milan is our home, and that's why she's in talks with the club. We're trying to find a solution.

“For now, Wanda deserves an A+ as an agent. She's working very well.”

The 23-year-old poacher was then asked whether the tense situation and the continuous rumours on the market were causing him problems.

“Frankly, no. I'm a professional and I'm acting like one. I do what I must and I think I've worked well on the pitch so far. In the training camp, things are working out well.

“Last season finished badly with the thigh injury, but this one started out on the right foot. Physically I'm well, I just need to improve my condition, which is normal.

“I'm not interested in rumours and I don't give much weight to what is said or written in the media. What I want is known by everyone. I'm happy here, and this is where I want to stay.

“When I chose Inter I wanted to affirm myself in these colours and that objective hasn't changed. We reached the Europa League in the first season, missed it in the second, made it in the third. Now we're ready to come back to Europe as protagonists.

“Me, wearing other colours? I'll tell you the truth, I'm an Interista. Very much an Interista. This is the team I'm a fan of and these are my colours. There's a strong bond.

“Football is a business and anything can happen, but I'm wearing the captain's arm-band for Inter, I've been here three years and my objective is to win as a Nerazzurro. I want to make it.”

The Honey Monster

The Honey Monster wrote: »

The usual... Buying one player early to sell season tickets, buying some Japanese player to make the Asian supporters feel more than the fact that they're just another cash stream, fannying around for the rest of the summer until fan rage makes Wenger buy a Kim Kallstrom/Danny wellbeck on deadline day. Go into the season without strengthening key areas, lose the opening game, qualify second in our CL group, get knocked out by Barca/bayern, beat United/Chelsea/city once in the league, proclaim ourselves title challengers, trip up over whatever team Sam Allerdyce is managing, take 5 points from a potential 21 somewhere in the season, finish fourth. Wenger in/Wenger out arguments.

Repeat.

Big Sam is England manager! That blows your theory out of the water! :pac:

smilerf

At this rate we'll probably see Adebayor and Rvp back in arsenal shirts LOL

speedboatchase

smilerf wrote: »

At this rate we'll probably see Adebayor and Rvp back in arsenal shirts LOL

Think we'll wait till we lose the first game before we try to bring a striker in. Hope Akpom stays fit!

DvB

Basil3 wrote: »

Big Sam is England manager! That blows your theory out of the water! :pac:

As does the beating United/Chelsea/City bit... that wont happen this year, Arsenal dont bt Mourinho or Pep teams (or Chelsea for that matter):rolleyes:

wonga77

If Icardi is a non runner, who does that leave us with? Higuain news seems to have disappeared altogether

wonga77

wonga77 wrote: »

If Icardi is a non runner, who does that leave us with? Higuain news seems to have disappeared altogether

The club always keep things quiet, so just hope for nobody and be pleasantly surprised when/if we do sign someone.

You're also less disappointed when nothing happens.

Ken Shamrock

Ramsey miles ahead of Pogba I've heard it all now...

SkySter

I've applied for Red Membership on Jul 9. My ID says I'm a red member but no sign of the card yet.

How long does it normally take for the card to arrive?