Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

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L'prof wrote: »

Here's how the guardian see it anyway:

Chambers needs a loan somewhere
I do be nervous with him in team.

brianregan09

Chambers did great against Liverpool last year when we were in a similar defensive crisis

pudzey101

Cant wait to see Xhaka boss Can, Henderson , Coutinho, Mane, and Firmino around the place

tayto lover

emergingstar wrote: »

Wonder if we do make a big signing will the people who said we def won't make one, be happy or will they come on ranting saying why did we leave it so late?

I don't know any of these foreign lads so if we did buy one it would take awhile for me to decided if they're good or not. I don't believe we will buy anyone anyway. Would be delighted if we did. The same gaping holes that were there last year in attack and defence are still there.
I do like the look of Xhaka though and that's an area that needed fixing. I think he will be a great signing.

@Arsenal

@Arsenal: 👠Congratulations to @Mertesacker, our new club captain! pic.twitter.com/BjzOsibEF9

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/764410733807407104

Weird

mansize

Mert is the Captain

domrush

Another captain who'll spend the season on the sideline, what a joke

tayto lover

Mert captain does not bode well for a new CB.
Mert shouldn't be near the first eleven.

Bobby Baccala

So Santi is vice captain now? I really hope Wenger plans on starting him this season because it'd be a bit of a joke to have an injured captain and a vice captain that isn't guaranteed his place.

Cech should be captain imo.

x PyRo

https://twitter.com/wengerknowsbest/status/764417255237115904

tayto lover

I still cannot understand how we have allowed some of our players extra holidays. Are we the only club to do this? Others seem to be at full strength bar injuries.

wawaman

tayto lover wrote: »

Mert captain does not bode well for a new CB.
Mert shouldn't be near the first eleven.

How so? I read a stat that in the last 3/4 years the captain has only started 13 games

tayto lover

wawaman wrote: »

How so? I read a stat that in the last 3/4 years the captain has only started 13 games

Because i cannot understand why you would make someone who will only play a limited number of games captain.
I believe the captain should be on the field as often as possible and be a leader i.e. barks orders and gives encouragement.

domrush

Even if he were on the pitch every game I don't think Mert has the temperament of a captain

TitianGerm

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Looks like Clyne will have a busy game

On a serious note I'm genuinely surprised Klopp is gonna go into the season with Moreno and Mignolet as first team players, a pair of spoofers if I've ever seen one.

Our new number 1 broke his hand in preseason so we're stuck with Ming for the minute.

I'd say 95% of Liverpool supporters would like to see us upgrade on Moreno and hopefully we can get someone in before the end of the window.


Should be a decent game tomorrow.

omega man

Seems Wenger sees the role of club captain as more an off the pitch leader and motivator. Fits in with the theory that he expects players to make their own decisions on the pitch.

wandatowell

Out of all our defenders he's the first one I'd move on. Pretty ordinary player. Not surprised by the appointment.

wonga77

Maybe its Wengers way of getting rid of Mert? Viera, Henry, Fabregas, RVP and then Vermaelen, next up was Arteta who retired. Our record with captains is not so hot...

Gringo180

Basil3 wrote: »

@Arsenal: 👠Congratulations to @Mertesacker, our new club captain! pic.twitter.com/BjzOsibEF9

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/764410733807407104

Weird

Outrageous decision.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Mert club captain. Sweet Jesus. Wenger you deluded old man.

omega man

Come on Mahrez, jump ship!

Skylinehead

Vice-captain gets captaincy. I'm shocked, who saw that coming?

:rolleyes:

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

Vice-captain gets captaincy. I'm shocked, who saw that coming?

:rolleyes:

Yeah. Especially when he's out for months :rolleyes:

the untitled user

For the most part, it doesn't really matter whether Mert plays or not. He's the elder statesman in the squad now and giving the arm band to him is just official confirmation of this. Wenger wants his captains anyway to be more than just a leader on the field, he's both the players representative, the dressing room motivator and the player who is meant to carry forward the clubs traditions and culture.

Ken Shamrock

I don't understand... I just don't understand anymore

Skylinehead

tayto lover wrote: »

Yeah. Especially when he's out for months :rolleyes:

So someone else (Cech or Kos probably) will take the armband when he's out, what's the problem? People place far too much importance on which player has (C) next to his name. On the pitch, loud and commanding players will be loud and commanding whether or not they're the captain.

Can anybody actually tell me what negative effects arise from this? I can't think of anything.

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

So someone else (Cech or Kos probably) will take the armband when he's out, what's the problem? People place far too much importance on which player has (C) next to his name. On the pitch, loud and commanding players will be loud and commanding whether or not they're the captain.

Can anybody actually tell me what negative effects arise from this? I can't think of anything.

The captain is supposed to be the leader surely?
You can do this better by being on the field.
If not then why have a captain at all except to call the toss.

Skylinehead

tayto lover wrote: »

The captain is supposed to be the leader surely?
You can do this better by being on the field.
If not then why have a captain at all except to call the toss.

We'll have a captain on the field, we don't magically have no captain when he's injured. You can also have more than one leader, believe it or not.

Seriously, this is a total non-issue. We have real problems to deal with right now.

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

We'll have a captain on the field, we don't magically have no captain when he's injured. You can also have more than one leader, believe it or not.

Seriously, this is a total non-issue. We have real problems to deal with right now.

But the captain should be the leader, the one who calls the shots, the boss.
Everyone shouting the odds is just confusing. It is important.
Adams was our best captain. He kept them all honest and read the game very well.

Skylinehead

tayto lover wrote: »

But the captain should be the leader, the one who calls the shots, the boss.
Everyone shouting the odds is just confusing. It is important.
Adams was our best captain. He kept them all honest and read the game very well.

Do you really think that Seaman, Winterburn, Keown etc etc weren't leaders? Buffon is Italy's captain, but that entire backline shouts like there's no tomorrow. Having one person doing all the shouting is archaic, and in practise does not exist in the game today.

And again, if that were the case, Cech can do the shouting until Mertesacker returns. Problem = gone. That was easy...

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

Do you really think that Seaman, Winterburn, Keown etc etc weren't leaders? Buffon is Italy's captain, but that entire backline shouts like there's no tomorrow. Having one person doing all the shouting is archaic, and in practise does not exist in the game today.

And again, if that were the case, Cech can do the shouting until Mertesacker returns. Problem = gone. That was easy...

Not so easy at all.
Maybe they should give the captaincy to Gibbs or Walcott. Those brave lads would have no problem shouting the odds to team-mates to get them to give their all. :pac:

Skylinehead

tayto lover wrote: »

Not so easy at all.
Maybe they should give the captaincy to Gibbs or Walcott. Those brave lads would have no problem shouting the odds to team-mates to get them to give their all. :pac:

Them being the captain does not impede the actual leaders from leading by example in the slightest.

the untitled user

Modern project management theories state the best teams are self organising anyway. Don't see why that wouldn't translate to football anyway, plenty of anecdotes of great teams deciding tactics democratically in the dressing room.

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

Them being the captain does not impede the actual leaders from leading by example in the slightest.

It does if there's a difference of opinion Too many cooks ....

tayto lover

the untitled user wrote: »

Modern project management theories state the best teams are self organising anyway. Don't see why that wouldn't translate to football anyway, plenty of anecdotes of great teams deciding tactics democratically in the dressing room.

It's not about tactics at all. It's about leadership.

AdamD

At least Xhaka, Coquelin, Ramsey, Wilshere are tougher midfielders than we've had in recent years. Hopefully this Mustafi guy has a presence about him. Mertesacker as captain just seems utterly bizarre to me. Hes out for a very long time and unless things go very adversely I'd expect him to not be first choice when he comes back (Gabriel or Mustafi really should be ahead of him by then). But then I'd struggle to pick a captain out of our current lot..

tayto lover

AdamD wrote: »

At least Xhaka, Coquelin, Ramsey, Wilshere are tougher midfielders than we've had in recent years. Hopefully this Mustafi guy has a presence about him. Mertesacker as captain just seems utterly bizarre to me. Hes out for a very long time and unless things go very adversely I'd expect him to not be first choice when he comes back (Gabriel or Mustafi really should be ahead of him by then). But then I'd struggle to pick a captain out of our current lot..

True.
I can imagine Mert shouting at a midfielder "Come on man, you have to be faster into the tackle than that" and then all the players turning around to look at him with smirks on their faces as they watch him trundle back into the defence.

gosplan

That captain thing is a load of nothing.

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

That captain thing is a load of nothing.

No need to be so explicit.

brianregan09

L'equipe saying we've gone in with a 41 million euro bid for Mahrez

JustTheOne

I'm baffled that people don't realise the lack of leadership that has let us down on the pitch in recent years.

Noone there to give a bolocking to the players when they give away a stupid goal.

It's blatantly obvious it's what has been missing.

Every team needs a leader, someone to pick the team up especially the young players and get them going when times are tough.

Hello vieira, Adams.

Skylinehead

JustTheOne wrote: »

I'm baffled that people don't realise the lack of leadership that has let us down on the pitch in recent years.

Noone there to give a bolocking to the players when they give away a stupid goal.

It's blatantly obvious it's what has been missing.

Every team needs a leader, someone to pick the team up especially the young players and get them going when times are tough.

Hello vieira, Adams.

We need more leaders yes. Nobody just buys in a "captain" though. They're not mutually inclusive.

gosplan

Skylinehead wrote: »

We need more leaders yes. Nobody just buys in a "captain" though. They're not mutually inclusive.

Xhaka'a close. Good position, physical player, captain of BMgladbach at 21/22.

I just don't think it will make a difference to him this year whether Mert has an armband in the stands or not.

If you're a leader, you're a leader.

gosplan

JustTheOne wrote: »

I'm baffled that people don't realise the lack of leadership that has let us down on the pitch in recent years.

Noone there to give a bolocking to the players when they give away a stupid goal.

It's blatantly obvious it's what has been missing.

Every team needs a leader, someone to pick the team up especially the young players and get them going when times are tough.

Hello vieira, Adams.

IMO we were missing mentally and physically tough players. Not so much about one guy.

JustTheOne

gosplan wrote: »

IMO we were missing mentally and physically tough players. Not so much about one guy.

Yeah maybe. But in the absence of those players we need to someone to step up.

Gringo180

I always believe a club captain should be an indespensible player in the starting XI. Mertesacker is not that. Kos should of been given the armband imo. One of the best central defenders in the game and is one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Bobby Baccala

Gnabry got another one in the Olympics today. Having a great tournament.

DenMan

Vermaelen has completed his loan deal to Roma. Good luck Tommie.

gosplan

Gringo180 wrote: »

I always believe a club captain should be an indespensible player in the starting XI. Mertesacker is not that. Kos should of been given the armband imo. One of the best central defenders in the game and is one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Yeah, Kos would make much more sense.

Hard to imagine he wasn't asked.

I just think it's one of those silly things that will be used as a stick to beat Wenger.

KaiserGunner

Koscielny to me, comes across as far too quiet to be captain material. So I can see why he didn't get the armband. Looking at our starting 11 for most games, we don't really have ideal candidates for the captaincy. Obviously with Mertesacker out for a while I don't think he should get the captaincy but, I don't think Wenger sees the captain as being that important, rightly or wrongly.