Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

omega man

Alfred Borden wrote: »

A titanic battle for fourth where we scrape in on the last day. Whats not to like? :pac:

In that case I'd not give a toss if we finish outside the top 4 for once. So fcuking what if we lose out on a gazillion bucks.....

Quazzie

omega man wrote: »

In that case I'd not give a toss if we finish outside the top 4 for once. So fcuking what if we lose out on a gazillion bucks.....

It puts us in a lower position when looking for a new manager.

omega man

Quazzie wrote: »

It puts us in a lower position when looking for a new manager.

I'd agree if there was even a remote chance of him going but alas.

In fairness pool got Klopp without CL football.

cson

The problems stem from Stan Kroenke - I don't think in any other job would you still be safe as houses after the ineptitude of the last couple of years.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Every day i come here I read that the league is now over for us. It's been over for weeks. Jesus stop torturing yourselves.

sonic85

Lads will ye please stop willing us to finish outside the top 4. Whatever chance we'd have of attracting a top manager with a full squad and CL football I don't think we'd get somebody world class if we end up playing in the Europa League or worse. I'd also imagine some of our better players would look for a way out sharpish leaving a potential new manager short.

The only positive thing we have at the moment is the opportunity to play in the Champions League (even though we haven't got a hope in hell of winning it but that's another conversation).

sonic85

sonic85 wrote: »

Lads will ye please stop willing us to finish outside the top 4. Whatever chance we'd have of attracting a top manager with a full squad and CL football I don't think we'd get somebody world class if we end up playing in the Europa League or worse. I'd also imagine some of our better players would look for a way out sharpish leaving a potential new manager short.

The only positive thing we have at the moment is the opportunity to play in the Champions League (even though we haven't got a hope in hell of winning it but that's another conversation).

Liverpool attracted Klopp. Hell even Van Gaal had pedigree when United signed him.

Fourth would vindicate both the board and Wenger and would mean he would stay for another year of mediocrity.
FWIW I think we'll finish top four (just about) but tbh its time to demand more at this stage. The fact we are in this time warp suggests that something finally has to give. Our last chance of silverware went yesterday.

sonic85

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Liverpool attracted Klopp. Hell even Van Gaal had pedigree when United signed him.

Fourth would vindicate both the board and Wenger and would mean he would stay for another year of mediocrity.
FWIW I think we'll finish top four (just about) but tbh its time to demand more at this stage. The fact we are in this time warp suggests that something finally has to give. Our last chance of silverware went yesterday.

There are always exceptions but all the top jobs were taken as far as I recall and Liverpool was probably the highest profile job going at that time. Open to correction on that though. Plus theyve done quite well in European competition recently enough winning it and finishing runners up. So they have a decent track record. We qualify but that's it.

United are one of the biggest richest clubs in world football with a wealth of history in all competitons - any manager would be fairly mental to not take that job if he was asked even if they were out of the CL for a couple of seasons.

How would fourth vindicate the board and Wenger? Surely winning the league this year would vindicate them and their model of running things? Finishing 3rd or 4th in a year when every other top team has faltered is a disaster really - a fairly epic one.

I agree that it's about time the board and the manager were held responsible for their actions and for the fans to wake up and demand more. Fourth every year for the next decade isn't good enough.

I think 4 or 5 years ago was the time to make some noise and show some concern about where the club was heading but instead the dissenting voices were drowned out and any criticism of Arsene or the club was dismissed. Instead we were treated to groundhog day over and over and now we're in a position where wenger is so entrenched in the club it's going to be near impossible to get him out

Mr.Micro

The Hunky Monster wrote: »

Every day i come here I read that the league is now over for us. It's been over for weeks. Jesus stop torturing yourselves.

Don't worry we will all be back for more next season...torture that is, lol.

sonic85

sonic85 wrote: »

There are always exceptions but all the top jobs were taken as far as I recall and Liverpool was probably the highest profile job going at that time. Open to correction on that though. Plus theyve done quite well in European competition recently enough winning it and finishing runners up. So they have a decent track record. We qualify but that's it.

United are one of the biggest richest clubs in world football with a wealth of history in all competitons - any manager would be fairly mental to not take that job if he was asked even if they were out of the CL for a couple of seasons.

How would fourth vindicate the board and Wenger? Surely winning the league this year would vindicate them and their model of running things? Finishing 3rd or 4th in a year when every other top team has faltered is a disaster really - a fairly epic one.

I agree that it's about time the board and the manager were held responsible for their actions and for the fans to wake up and demand more. Fourth every year for the next decade isn't good enough.

I think 4 or 5 years ago was the time to make some noise and show some concern about where the club was heading but instead the dissenting voices were drowned out and any criticism of Arsene or the club was dismissed. Instead we were treated to groundhog day over and over and now we're in a position where wenger is so entrenched in the club it's going to be near impossible to get him out

From Wenger and the boards point of view they'll be happy with 4th. That's their annual objective. Fück the fans

L'prof

Definitely don't want the club to finish outside the top 4 but I genuinely don't think it would affect the clubs chances of attracting a top manager. Wenger is one of the highest paid managers around. Money talks.

Pepe LeFrits

It’s going to be an ugly summer. It wasn’t nice last year, and that was with a rich rival winning the league and a 2nd FA cup in the bag. Finishing empty handed while a team with a fraction of our resources wins the league? Good luck to Gazidis and the gang if it is Spurs…

Iused2likebusts

Not that I think you's will finish outside top 4 but if it happened it will make little or no difference to attracting a new manager its different to atracting the very best players. Being out of cl is a far bigger issue for a player rather than a manager due to the shortage of a players career. Managers will also have a different way of thinking compared to players about the status of a club. If you take klopp going to Liverpool he is of the age that he would remember when Liverpool used to win things and can think about potential. A player in his 20s early 30s isn't going to be impressed by the fact that Liverpool won loads of things in the 70s and 80s. Players also have much more choice when it comes to picking an elite club than a manager. Due to the fact that there is only one manager at all the elite clubs whereas a player is just one of a 20 man squad. Again if you think of klopp people will say he went to Liverpool because it was the best job avaliable a player doesn't face these problems as he can fit into a 20 man squad.

Drexel

Reports today that Wenger has full backing from the board but may leave at the end of the year. It says that the 'discontent' among fans is affecting the players

emergingstar

I don't think lecister will win the league, they have a tough run in and I can see the pressure getting to them

cson

Hull, Barcelona, Manchester United, Swansea, Spurs, Hull, Watford.

Don't tell me that the team isn't capable of more than 1 win out of that line up. We should be beating every team there, bar Barcelona, with the players at our disposal and we should even be capable of getting a result at home to Barcelona. With the right guidance this team should be 2 points behind Leicester with a game in hand, into the Semi Finals of the FA Cup & still alive in the Champions League against Barcelona.

Sad to say but there's one person that this comes down to & no matter how much he points to the past in terms of FA Cup winning streaks and getting 4th with no budget (even then I think we still had ~4th most resources in the league so not a phenomenal achievement) - what matters now is the present and future. And it looks bleak in the current hands unfortunately.

Ken Shamrock

cson wrote: »

Hull, Barcelona, Manchester United, Swansea, Spurs, Hull, Watford.

Don't tell me that the team isn't capable of more than 1 win out of that line up. We should be beating every team there, bar Barcelona, with the players at our disposal and we should even be capable of getting a result at home to Barcelona. With the right guidance this team should be 2 points behind Leicester with a game in hand, into the Semi Finals of the FA Cup & still alive in the Champions League against Barcelona.

Sad to say but there's one person that this comes down to & no matter how much he points to the past in terms of FA Cup winning streaks and getting 4th with no budget (even then I think we still had ~4th most resources in the league so not a phenomenal achievement) - what matters now is the present and future. And it looks bleak in the current hands unfortunately.

I just want to let go of this season and start fresh next year but I'm still going to watch every game and I'm still going to be pissed when we lose 3-4 of those games.

Bobby Baccala

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I just want to let go of this season and start fresh next year but I'm still going to watch every game and I'm still going to be pissed when we lose 3-4 of those games.

This. Preferably start fresh with a new manager and 3 or 4 new players.

tayto lover

Gringo180 wrote: »

The club needs a massive wake up call. Finishing outside the top 4 is a reality now. Madness to think thats possible with the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Utd having disastrous campaigns.

Our next four fixtures - Away to Barcelona (hope it's not a drubbing), Everton and West Ham.
Home to Watford.

Apart from the home game which we should win I can't see us getting much away. We are so brittle and our mindset is not good.

We are in a battle for fourth place now for sure. League has been well and truly gone for some time.

Ken Shamrock

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

This. Preferably start fresh with a new manager and 3 or 4 new players.

Yup, what do you think we need? I'd go with a proven goalscoring striker, a proven reliable winger, a solid CDM and 1 or 2 very good CB's. Spend between 120,000-200,000 Mill If we have to.

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

Liverpool attracted Klopp. Hell even Van Gaal had pedigree when United signed him.

Fourth would vindicate both the board and Wenger and would mean he would stay for another year of mediocrity.
FWIW I think we'll finish top four (just about) but tbh its time to demand more at this stage. The fact we are in this time warp suggests that something finally has to give. Our last chance of silverware went yesterday.

Has it not been the same for many years now?
What has been demanded or delivered before?

Nothing will give.
Wenger's comments about the fans expectations of success being " a farce" tells me he has no intentions of stepping down and will brazen it out not just for another year but beyond that.
Watch this space. Wenger is going nowhere. He's a company man and companies are more interested in making money than winning trophies.

My son was at the game on Sunday and was talking to a lot of disgruntled fans. They have stopped buying merchandise and stopped wearing the club jersey at games but that's not enough. I expect the protests to get louder as the season ends in a big blank. Will it change things? Not a chance.

Bobby Baccala

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Yup, what do you think we need? I'd go with a proven goalscoring striker, a proven reliable winger, a solid CDM and 1 or 2 very good CB's. Spend between 120,000-200,000 Mill If we have to.

A striker for sure, somebody like higuain or aubamayang. It'll be hard to tempt them over if we don't get top 4 though.

A quality centre back in the mould of Godin or Hummels

A proper centre mid that isn't made of glass like the rest of ours

Another winger that'll chip in with 10-12 goals a season

All of that and we have a world class squad. Can see maybe one of those signings being made under Wenger at best.

tayto lover

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

A striker for sure, somebody like higuain or aubamayang. It'll be hard to tempt them over if we don't get top 4 though.

A quality centre back in the mould of Godin or Hummels

A proper centre mid that isn't made of glass like the rest of ours

Another winger that'll chip in with 10-12 goals a season

All of that and we have a world class squad. Can see maybe one of those signings being made under Wenger at best.

We'd still find a way to bottle it. We have become fragile both physically and mentally under this inept manager. Nothing will change until he's gone.

Quazzie

tayto lover wrote: »

Our next four fixtures - Away to Barcelona (hope it's not a drubbing), Everton and West Ham.
Home to Watford.

Apart from the home game which we should win I can't see us getting much away. We are so brittle and our mindset is not good.

We are in a battle for fourth place now for sure. League has been well and truly gone for some time.

You mean the home game which is a carbon copy of the fixture we've just lost.

omega man

Drexel wrote: »

Reports today that Wenger has full backing from the board but may leave at the end of the year. It says that the 'discontent' among fans is affecting the players

Ah I see so it's going to be the supporters fault.

If I hear Wenger attributing any blame to fans for his or his players failings I will explode with rage!

Ol' Donie

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

I just want to let go of this season and start fresh next year but I'm still going to watch every game and I'm still going to be pissed when we lose 3-4 of those games.

I just want to get to the Euros where I can enjoy watching games of football again.

I f***in hate this season. (Apart from Leicester).

tayto lover

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I just want to get to the Euros where I can enjoy watching games of football again.

I f***in hate this season. (Apart from Leicester).

Rinse and repeat next season.

L'prof

#|Team|H/A|Pos
1|Barcelona|A|1
2|Everton|A|12
3|Watford|H|14
4|West Ham United|A|5
5|Crystal Palace|H|15
6|Sunderland|A|17
7|Norwich City|H|18
8|Manchester City|A|4
9|Aston Villa|H|20
10|West Bromwich Albion|H|11

So 10 games left. Based on their results in all competitions this season the best we can hope for is 5 wins, 2 draws and 3 losses. 69 points in the league. Leicester are only 2 wins off that with 8 games left. Spurs need 4 wins from their remaining 8. I don't think they'll even catch Spurs to be honest. City are almost as bad as Arsenal right now, so i expect them both to fight tooth and nail for the honour of not to finishing 3rd!

greendom

omega man wrote: »

Ah I see so it's going to be the supporters fault.

If I hear Wenger attributing any blame to fans for his or his players failings I will explode with rage!

I really think it contributed to the defeat at home against Swansea. You can argue that the players should be above it all, but the players were nervous and inhibited. I didn't get that impression in the Watford game but it might have been a factor too.

tayto lover

greendom wrote: »

I really think it contributed to the defeat at home against Swansea. You can argue that the players should be above it all, but the players were nervous and inhibited. I didn't get that impression in the Watford game but it might have been a factor too.

Yeah i thought the same about our opening game of the season against West Ham at home :rolleyes:

Ken Shamrock

greendom wrote: »

I really think it contributed to the defeat at home against Swansea. You can argue that the players should be above it all, but the players were nervous and inhibited. I didn't get that impression in the Watford game but it might have been a factor too.

Ridiculous stuff

greendom

tayto lover wrote: »

Yeah i thought the same about our opening game of the season against West Ham at home :rolleyes:

No don't think so. I put that one down to complacency

Ken Shamrock

greendom wrote: »

No don't think so. I put that one down to complacency

Ok Arsene.

emergingstar

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Ok Arsene.

Stupid post

Debate the point

Or don't bother posting

greendom

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Ridiculous stuff

in what way ?

It's an established fact that a supportive crowed can boost performance, I've no doubt that the opposite is also true.

Ken Shamrock

greendom wrote: »

in what way ?

It's an established fact that a supportive crowed can boost performance, I've no doubt that the opposite is also true.

Our fans have absolutely nothing to do with the ineptitude of our manager and players. Tactics are almost none existent and the performances of individuals and the team as a whole have been abysmal. How many damn times has been this been the case even when the fans are completely behind the team which they mostly always are?

To say that we lost a game because our fans weren't supportive enough Is ridiculous, no two ways about It.

greendom

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Our fans have absolutely nothing to do with the ineptitude of our manager and players. Tactics are almost none existent and the performances of individuals and the team as a whole have been abysmal. How many damn times has been this been the case even when the fans are completely behind the team which they mostly always are?

To say that we lost a game because our fans weren't supportive enough Is ridiculous, no two ways about It.

I observed nervousness and inhibition from the players. No doubt the players are playing poorly at the moment regardless of the crowd. But its a such times that the supporters should really get behind the players rather than encourage even more poor play.

Obviously there are hundreds of factors that contribute to how a team plays but in a game of such incredibly tight margins it's a shame that the one area that a crowd can influence and make a difference, they are choosing to do so negatively.

mansize

So the fans being the "twelfth man" is a myth then???

Arsenal's support has been library like at times! But no! We can't blame the fans! Only Mr Wenger or the team! Sanchez has been sub par this season and for some reason he escapes the criticism other players get!

I'd say Ramsey has done more for the team than Sanchez but Sanchez rarely gets criticised as he's a "fans favourite"

Ozil and Cech aside, I think the whole team has been sub par

jonneymendoza

arsenal might as well not bother tomorrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag5FgZBNFV0

mansize

jonneymendoza wrote: »

arsenal might as well not bother tomorrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag5FgZBNFV0

Tomorrow is a write off

Ken Shamrock

greendom wrote: »

I observed nervousness and inhibition from the players. No doubt the players are playing poorly at the moment regardless of the crowd. But its a such times that the supporters should really get behind the players rather than encourage even more poor play.

Obviously there are hundreds of factors that contribute to how a team plays but in a game of such incredibly tight margins it's a shame that the one area that a crowd can influence and make a difference, they are choosing to do so negatively.

mansize wrote: »

So the fans being the "twelfth man" is a myth then???

Arsenal's support has been library like at times! But no! We can't blame the fans! Only Mr Wenger or the team!

Hilarious stuff, I'll just stop there before I upset anyone else :pac: I suppose we should all hang our heads In shame as It Is because of us the fans, that Arsenal are so poor nothing to do with the manager or players.

Looper007

greendom wrote: »

I observed nervousness and inhibition from the players. No doubt the players are playing poorly at the moment regardless of the crowd. But its a such times that the supporters should really get behind the players rather than encourage even more poor play.

Obviously there are hundreds of factors that contribute to how a team plays but in a game of such incredibly tight margins it's a shame that the one area that a crowd can influence and make a difference, they are choosing to do so negatively.

Should we hug them and tell them everything is alright, they get paid thousands a week to go out and play for Arsenal. We cheer them on and everyone in that ground does every week and they constantly let us down with heartless performances. This isn't a crowd thing so don't throw that excuse out, it's time for this lot of overpaid bottlers and wimps to stand up and show some bloody desire for once.

mansize

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Hilarious stuff, I'll just stop there before I upset anyone else :pac: I suppose we should all hang our heads In shame as It Is because of us the fans, that Arsenal are so poor nothing to do with the manager or players.

I think we inferred it's a collective responsibility

Mr.Micro

mansize wrote: »

Tomorrow is a write off

We can always hope for a freak result. 3-3, lol.

mansize

Looper007 wrote: »

Should we hug them and tell them everything is alright, they get paid thousands a week to go out and play for Arsenal. We cheer them on and everyone in that ground does every week and they constantly let us down with heartless performances. This isn't a crowd thing so don't throw that excuse out, it's time for this lot of overpaid bottlers and wimps to stand up and show some bloody desire for once.

Is the money the earn an issue? You mentioned it twice in your post...

wandatowell

tayto lover wrote: »

Yeah i thought the same about our opening game of the season against West Ham at home :rolleyes:

Ah Christ that game really was a foreshadowing of the season to come.

mansize

Mr.Micro wrote: »

We can always hope for a freak result. 3-3, lol.

Barça won't lose at Camp Nou. Regardless of whether we could beat them or not. UEFA have their favourites

Looper007

mansize wrote: »

Is the money the earn an issue? You mentioned it twice in your post...

Far too many given big contracts before they did a thing at Arsenal, I have a massive problem with it.

greendom

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Hilarious stuff, I'll just stop there before I upset anyone else :pac: I suppose we should all hang our heads In shame as It Is because of us the fans, that Arsenal are so poor nothing to do with the manager or players.

yes that's exactly what I said :rolleyes: no chance of a nuanced discussion with you I take it!

mansize

Looper007 wrote: »

Far too many given big contracts before they did a thing at Arsenal, I have a massive problem with it.

Who are they and what should they be on?