Do you think a referendum on abortion would be passed?(not how you'd vote)

Dick phelan

The problem with this debate is that those on some middle ground are not heard, what you get is too sides of the extreme shouting and insulting each other, the argument put forth by the pro choice crowd of "if you don't agree with it don't get one" is one of the dumbest statements around and shows a massive lack of understanding of the other side, Think of it logically, you are against abortion, you believe it is the murder of a baby, would you really think people can choose if they think it's the murder of a baby or not? Course you wouldn't not for something so serious.

lazygal

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Personally, I'd tell them to act like an adult and deal with the.consequences of their actions. You know, like an adult.

How is getting an abortion not dealing with the consequences?

L.Jenkins

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I am male too and I actually think only women should vote in an abortion referendum. Not going to happen but I think it would be correct.

At the end of the day, why should anyone have authority of a woman's body? For anyone who has a Wife, Mother, Sister or Daughter, Imagine if they, in a given situation for one reason or another, required an abortion? Wouldn't we all like for them to make their own decision? Male or Female, Religious or Not, I don't think any of us have to right to deny anyone self autonomy, no matter what our opinions.

smash

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Personally, I'd tell them to act like an adult and deal with the.consequences of their actions. You know, like an adult.

That's not a very adult response. You might as well just give them the middle finger and walk off laughing.

Huntergonzo

lazygal wrote: »

I'm barely holding onto my two born kids. My gay friends are making worrying noises about exercising their right to be parents.

They want to be parents??? THE MONSTERS!!!

Actually I've often genuinely wondered why people who claim to be 'pro-life' (they're anti-choice in reality, I mean technically I'm pro-life, if I wasn't I'd be dead, but I'm pro-choice when it comes to abortion) waste so much of their time trying to prevent women from having control over their reproductive systems.

Would their time and efforts not be far better spent taking care of children who actually have been born but who are living in terrible poverty or have no parents at all. Seems like their morality grinds to a halt the very moment the unborn becomes born.

Tasden

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I am male too and I actually think only women should vote in an abortion referendum. Not going to happen but I think it would be correct.

The fetus is made by a male and female. And the fetus becomes male or female. So I think men should have a say in the matter too.

Spudman_20000

lazygal wrote: »

How is getting an abortion not dealing with the consequences?

I think abortion is the exact opposite of dealing with the consequences. Personally I put more value on life, and would expect people to act like grown ups and get on with dealing with the situation that has happened. Actions have consequences, its as simple as that.

And if we're starting with a basis of everyone has the right to do whatever they like with and to their bodies, then I think we're on a very slippery slope.

PressRun

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'm very conflicted, 5 years ago I would have probably went along with the yes side but now I'm not so certain anymore. Deep deep, down I think there's something very wrong about it. I can't help that, it's a natural feeling that I have.

But then what do you tell a girl who has been raped and is carrying her rapists child? It's a very emotive topic and sadly I think the debate on this matter will be extremely ugly.

If you don't like abortion, then don't have one. I don't see what's so difficult about this concept. Nobody is going to be forced to have an abortion in the event that it became legal. It would simply mean that women who do need/want to procure one can do so safely in their own country.

I also really don't like the rhetoric around abortion that women have to suffer some awful trauma in order to justify having an abortion, be it rape, FFA, or even just a moral crisis of some kind. It reeks of the mindset that abortion is only acceptable if the woman endures a punishment of some kind. Both the anti-choice and the pro-choice crowd are guilty of engaging in this kind of discourse.

Sometimes women have abortions because they know it's the right thing to do for them and their situation, and they don't feel awful about it. Those women shouldn't be made to feel awful about it either. At the end of the day, it's their body, and strangers shouldn't be making decisions about other people's bodies for them.

I don't think it's any coincidence either that the "pro-life" crowd go missing as soon as these children are born. They couldn't give a **** as soon as the child is outside the womb.

lazygal

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I think abortion is the exact opposite of dealing with the consequences. Personally I put more value on life, and would expect people to act like grown ups and get on with dealing with the situation that has happened. Actions have consequences, its as simple as that.

And if we're starting with a basis of everyone has the right to do whatever they like with and to their bodies, then I think we're on a very slippery slope.

But if you have an abortion that's surely dealing with the consequences. How is it not? If I didn't want to stay pregnant I'd have an abortion. That's dealing with the consequences.

Richard Hillman

I think it would pass but it will be a brutal campaign. Both sides of the extreme end will be venomous and are probably best off staying out of the debate if they want their side to win it.

Baggy Trousers

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

My bad, thought you were older. Still 2 out of 3 aint bad.

One last guess....Single?

Wrong.

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I am male too and I actually think only women should vote in an abortion referendum. Not going to happen but I think it would be correct.

Thankfully men and women have equal rights to vote. What sort of nonsense would it be only allowing sex to vote on something affecting the countries constitution. Imagine if was suggested only men should be allowed to vote on something, the world would explode.

smash wrote: »

What do you tell someone who's contraception has failed and just doesn't wants kids?

Tough, if you don't want kids and would consider an abortion if you did get pregnant then either don't have sex or get sterilised. Such s disgusting act is never the answer.

lazygal wrote: »

But if you have an abortion that's surely dealing with the consequences. How is it not? If I didn't want to stay pregnant I'd have an abortion. That's dealing with the consequences.

Dealing with it in the same way as shooting homeless people is dealing with the rise of homelessness in Ireland.

Dick phelan

Problem i have with abortion is what term limit is set, i mean currently the limit in the UK is 24 weeks yet there have been cases of babies surviving at that stage and in fact even earlier. It's a tough issue whatever people on either side might say it's not black and white, i dread a referendum the ignorance and hate on both sides will prevent any real debate being had.

Spudman_20000

lazygal wrote: »

But if you have an abortion that's surely dealing with the consequences. How is it not? If I didn't want to stay pregnant I'd have an abortion. That's dealing with the consequences.

Like I said, I personally put more value on life. No one should get to decide who lives or dies in my opinion.

Ice Maiden

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I think abortion is the exact opposite of dealing with the consequences. Personally I put more value on life, and would expect people to act like grown ups and get on with dealing with the situation that has happened. Actions have consequences, its as simple as that.

What about rape or unviable foetus?

rainbow kirby

A bit of recognition that the scope of the 8th goes beyond abortion would be great - it's in everything once you become pregnant in Ireland, ranging from how your unrelated medical conditions are managed to how miscarriages are managed, to overrule your informed consent in labour and childbirth and completely invalidate your choices, to posing issues in terms of the end of life choices that others make for you should the worst happen.

It needs to be repealed now. Actual legislation, not another constitutional amendment, then needs to be put in place.

But will that happen? After the general election, I really don't trust the Irish electorate as far as I could throw them. It will be an incredibly ugly campaign, and if a referendum to repeal the 8th loses then it will be shelved for another 30 years, while women continue to suffer.

Dick phelan

PressRun wrote: »

If you don't like abortion, then don't have one. I don't see what's so difficult about this concept. Nobody is going to be forced to have an abortion in the event that it became legal. It would simply mean that women who do need/want to procure one can do so safely in their own country.

I also really don't like the rhetoric around abortion that women have to suffer some awful trauma in order to justify having an abortion, be it rape, FFA, or even just a moral crisis of some kind. It reeks of the mindset that abortion is only acceptable if the woman endures a punishment of some kind. Both the anti-choice and the pro-choice crowd are guilty of engaging in this kind of discourse.

Sometimes women have abortions because they know it's the right thing to do for them and their situation, and they don't feel awful about it. Those women shouldn't be made to feel awful about it either. At the end of the day, it's their body, and strangers shouldn't be making decisions about other people's bodies for them.

I don't think it's any coincidence either that the "pro-life" crowd go missing as soon as these children are born. They couldn't give a **** as soon as the child is outside the womb.

Sorry to be rude but your post is massively ignorant, if someone thinks abortion is the murder of a baby it's hardly reasonable for you to expect they will be ok with someone else having one because they don't feel it's murder. Abortion is not something you can look at and think " i don't agree but each to their own".

lazygal

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Like I said, I personally put more value on life. No one should get to decide who lives or dies in my opinion.

If I don't want to be pregnant I have the ability to access abortion. Other women don't. Is it fair to force any girl or woman to remain pregnant, possibly with long term health consequences, against her wishes just because she can't travel?

L.Jenkins

What's going to happen is, the Iona Institute and Catholic Church will weight on any Referendum. Both apparently enjoy Charity status, with the added benefit of not paying much tax. Correct me if I'm wrong. With that in mind, they opinion should be given to them and not the other way around.

The debate surrounding the Referendum sadly will get nasty and it's not something I'd debate with anyone. I look at my Wife and Sisters in law and think, what if they needed an abortion, but had to travel to the UK for one? It would piss me off to no end.

PressRun

Dick phelan wrote: »

Sorry to be rude but your post is massively ignorant, if someone thinks abortion is the murder of a baby it's hardly reasonable for you to expect they will be ok with someone else having one because they don't feel it's murder. Abortion is not something you can look at and think " i don't agree but each to their own".

Except plenty of people do think about it like that. Plenty of people would take a stance where they wouldn't personally have an abortion but won't object to other people doing whatever is right for them.

Spudman_20000

Ice Maiden wrote: »

What about rape or unviable foetus?

I was responding earlier to someones question about contraception failing.

Your 2 scenarios are certainly a lot more complex, but I would agree with some what posters have said that it would be somewhat hypocritical to disagree with abortion in some cases but not others.

So, in that respect, I guess I'm against abortion full stop.

I guess its why this issue is so contentious, there is no easy answers and it is as far away from a black and white issue as you can get I feel.

Huntergonzo

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Like I said, I personally put more value on life. No one should get to decide who lives or dies in my opinion.

Ok fair enough, that's your opinion, just as a matter of interest though what do you think of euthanasia and the death penalty?

Dick phelan

I also don't like how abortion is being framed as a religious issue, i have zero religious belief but still undecided about the issue, you hardly need to believe in god to think abortion is wrong, don't like how every pro life individual is made out as some religious nutter it's got nothing to do with religion.

PressRun

PressRun wrote: »

Except plenty of people do think about it like that. Plenty of people would take a stance where they wouldn't personally have an abortion but won't object to other people doing whatever is right for them.

And other people feel that they don't want killing unborn babies to be happening in their country the same as you don't want people to be killing each other even if it never directly effects them.

L.Jenkins

Ice Maiden wrote: »

What about rape or unviable foetus?

That brings me back a few years. A cousin of a friend gave birth to a child one passed within hours of birth. She knew due to a heart defect, the child would not make it. She had to watch her child die in her arms. If she or any woman had the option of an abortion, would they want to watch their new born die in their arms or know that the pregnancy would result in a still birth. Imagine the grief a woman or family would endure knowing someone is carrying a deceased child. I'd feel rotten putting someone through that.

Ice Maiden

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I was responding earlier to someones question about contraception failing.

Your 2 scenarios are certainly a lot more complex, but I would agree with some what posters have said that it would be somewhat hypocritical to disagree with abortion in some cases but not others.

So, in that respect, I guess I'm against abortion full stop.

I guess its why this issue is so contentious, there is no easy answers and it is as far away from a black and white issue as you can get I feel.

I don't think it's hypocritical at all to be in favour in some cases and not in others - the whole thing is so complex and nuanced that it seems impossible not to mirror it with complex, even inconsistent views.
Personally I would prefer a person to be in favour in some cases and not in others, rather than just blanket for or against.

smash

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I was responding earlier to someones question about contraception failing.

Your 2 scenarios are certainly a lot more complex, but I would agree with some what posters have said that it would be somewhat hypocritical to disagree with abortion in some cases but not others.

So, in that respect, I guess I'm against abortion full stop.

I guess its why this issue is so contentious, there is no easy answers and it is as far away from a black and white issue as you can get I feel.

so you think it's acceptable under compilations to inform a woman she might die in order to try and save her foetus? Or to tell a woman that she must carry and deliver the child of her rapist?

Ice Maiden

Dick phelan wrote: »

I also don't like how abortion is being framed as a religious issue, i have zero religious belief but still undecided about the issue, you hardly need to believe in god to think abortion is wrong, don't like how every pro life individual is made out as some religious nutter it's got nothing to do with religion.

An older gentleman of faith recently said to me religion should be left the heck out of it - it's a secular issue. Wise words IMO.

PressRun

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

And other people feel that they don't want killing unborn babies to be happening in their country the same as you don't want people to be killing each other even if it never directly effects them.

Living, breathing people with families and friends and fulfilling lives > a foetus

Lau2976

I honestly don't understand people's argument for voting no. I don't think I ever will. I'm a staunch pro choicer politically. Privately is a different matter.

But my personal belief doesn't need to be the same as my political one and if you can't distingush that then IMO you aren't mature enough to vote.

To answer the op, I think it will depend on the wording of the referendum. But I do think that the younger generations who haven't had a chance to vote, and who this solely affects, will vote mostly in favour. It really comes down to whether or not the fewer younger anti choicer sand older generations out weigh those in terms of voter turn out.

L.Jenkins

Ice Maiden wrote: »

An older gentleman of faith recently said to me religion should be left the heck out of it - it's a secular issue. Wise words IMO.

Sadly, that's never the case. Just look at the Marriage Referendum and an attempt by some Religious People to engage freedom of conscience for the purpose of discrimination. Discrimination in any circumstance, Religious or otherwise should be outlawed. Granted, the Gardai and Army have exemptions and for good reason.

We should not be allowed to discriminate or deny anyones rights, ever and no matter how passionately someone feels about a given topic.

Spudman_20000

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Ok fair enough, that's your opinion, just as a matter of interest though what do you think of euthanasia and the death penalty?

In terms of euthanasia, I've read the arguments for and against. If we're talking about it being a choice without limits, one of the points against was that if it became legal and "the norm", then you might reach a point where elderly people might feel like they are a burden on their families or society and may feel pressured into doing it. Suicidal people, who might otherwise think twice about committing suicide, might look at euthanasia and think "well, its fine in those cases, what's the big deal if I take my life as well?".

I have no strong thoughts on the death penalty, other than I'm glad Ireland doesn't have it. It doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent in countries where it is legal either.

Back to the case of abortion, there are states where it is legal to have an abortion if the couple aren't happy with the sex of the baby. An extreme example I know, but like I said earlier, its a slippery slope.

Huntergonzo

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

And other people feel that they don't want killing unborn babies to be happening in their country the same as you don't want people to be killing each other even if it never directly effects them.

Honestly why don't you (or do you?) go out and do as much as you can to help children who have already been born and need looking after, maybe adopt a few if you can, but what's the obsession with the unborn?

sunshine and showers

I'm not sure how the abortion in cases of rape scenario would even work. Would you have to prove it? Name your alleged attacker? That would impede on their right to presumption of innocence if an abortion is automatically given, but rape trials take months if not years to be heard too.

If you don't have to prove it, what's the point of the specification? If you DO have to prove it, to what legal standard? What evidence would be needed? Will DNA be needed? Do you need to have the DPP press charges to qualify? Will rape trials need to be done immediately? That has more constitutional ramifications on due process.

Also, is that the kind of trauma anyone wants to put a rape victim through? Justifying their experience as "rape enough" for an abortion? Because there'll be people crying "but what about all those lying women looking for abortions!"

It's an unworkable scenario, tbh. You're either pro-choice or you're not. Abortion happens in Ireland anyway, this is just a question of whether it should physically happen here.

Tasden

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I think abortion is the exact opposite of dealing with the consequences. Personally I put more value on life, and would expect people to act like grown ups and get on with dealing with the situation that has happened. Actions have consequences, its as simple as that.

And if we're starting with a basis of everyone has the right to do whatever they like with and to their bodies, then I think we're on a very slippery slope.

I got pregnant when I was a teenager, contraception failed. I never had an opinion either way on abortion but the minute I found out I was pregnant I knew I couldn't do it so I "dealt with the consequences" as you say.

Now that I'm a mother I'd do absolutely anything for my child and I can honestly say that if I had an unplanned pregnancy abortion would be the most responsible choice in my circumstances. I know I could not be a decent parent to 2 children at this point in time. It doesn't mean it's what I would definitely choose or that the choice would be an easy one, but objectively I can hand on heart say it would be the most responsible choice, and it would be one that I would consider purely out of care and love for the child that I have now.

Arkady

The problem of abortion has actually nothing to do with religion, or if you're an atheist or theist. The problem is there are actually two human lives involved not one, the mother and the child, and neither is guilty or deserves death either for the crime of another, or because someone forget to use contraception correctly.

sunshine and showers

"Didn't use contraception correctly" is such a bullshít argument, everyone knows (or should know) that contraception is not 100% effective even when used perfectly correctly. That's an over-simplification.

Ice Maiden

Arkady wrote: »

The problem of abortion has actually nothing to do with religion, or if you're an atheist or theist. The problem is there are actually two human lives involved not one, the mother and the child, and neither is guilty or deserves death either for the crime of another, or because someone forget to use contraception correctly.

I'm not someone who thinks only the born = human life, but I don't think the unborn child becomes a human life until past the "bunch of cells" stage.

Toto Wolfcastle

I think it would be close but it would pass.

I spoke to a 73 year old woman (very Catholic) about it recently and she said that she would vote in favour of abortion because it's happening anyway and the idea that women are coming home so soon after the procedure with no one looking after them is wrong. I thought it was a very reasoned argument. Whether a referendum passes or not, there's no denying that it's happening. It will continue to happen. It would just be better if it could happen in the woman's own country where she can be looked after in case of complications.

Huntergonzo

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

In terms of euthanasia, I've read the arguments for and against. If we're talking about it being a choice without limits, one of the points against was that if it became legal and "the norm", then you might reach a point where elderly people might feel like they are a burden on their families or society and may feel pressured into doing it. Suicidal people, who might otherwise think twice about committing suicide, might look at euthanasia and think "well, its fine in those cases, what's the big deal if I take my life as well?".

I have no strong thoughts on the death penalty, other than I'm glad Ireland doesn't have it. It doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent in countries where it is legal either.

Personally I think euthanasia should be an option but obviously we don't ever want a situation where elderly people felt obliged to do it. I am aagainst the death penalty though, but anyway I'll get back on point

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

Back to the case of abortion, there are states where it is legal to have an abortion if the couple aren't happy with the sex of the baby. An extreme example I know, but like I said earlier, its a slippery slope.

That does seem like a frivolous reason, but I'd say 2 things I response to it. 1 I doubt very much that it would common reason for abortion and 2, harsh and all as it may seem, that is the parents choice, not yours or mine and who are we to dictate to them?

deseil

sunshine and showers wrote: »

"Didn't use contraception correctly" is such a bullshít argument, everyone knows (or should know) that contraception is not 100% effective even when used perfectly correctly. That's an over-simplification.

Ye men know women are left with the baby!

Spudman_20000

Huntergonzo wrote: »

and 2, harsh and all as it may seem, that is the parents choice, not yours or mine and who are we to dictate to them?

I'm sorry, but I could never agree with that. It puts such a base value on life that it makes me ill. Is that really a society we want to live in? To make a choice like that, as if we were choosing the colour of a car we were buying?

I'm coming at the issue on the basis that life should be valued and looked after. That's based of my own feelings on the issue and life experiences I have had.

The unborn don't have a voice, they aren't able to create posters, stickers, badges or Facebook pages or Twitter accounts or participate in debates.

I think life should be given a chance in all circumstances. Our lives and circumstances can be cruel and extremely unfair at times, but I think at the end of it all we should try and deal with what life throws at us and I don't think ending a life at any stage should be the option.

L.Jenkins

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I could never agree with that. It puts such a base value on life that it makes me ill. Is that really a society we want to live in? To make a choice like that, as if we were choosing the colour of a car we were buying?

The sad fact of the matter is, where is the concern for children living poverty at this very moment in time and not just poverty, but homelessness? Maybe we could concern ourselves less with abortion and more with those who are currently living, such as the impoverished and vulnerable who could actually do with help.

Huntergonzo

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Honestly why don't you (or do you?) go out and do as much as you can to help children who have already been born and need looking after, maybe adopt a few if you can, but what's the obsession with the unborn?

There is no obsession, I don't even think about it unless the topic is raised but I have a very strong opinion on it that I totally disagree with abortion and don't want to see it being allowed to happen here, unfortunately we can't make the Uk etc change their laws to ban it.

I don't need to go out and adopt children to enable me have an opinion on abortion.

emo72

im semi clueless here. some questions.

if the 8th is just removed and not replaced does that mean abortion would be legal and anyone could have one?

enda kenny mentioned a "convention" to find out what to do. he wants to replace the 8th with something else and have limited abortion in some cases?

so basically if the 8th was just scrapped it would just a medical thing between a woman and her doctor? private?

Spudman_20000

Itzy wrote: »

The sad fact of the matter is, where is the concern for children living poverty at this very moment in time and not just poverty, but homelessness? Maybe we could concern ourselves less with abortion and more with those who are currently living, such as the impoverished and vulnerable who could actually do with help.

Are you saying that we should hold off on a referendum on abortion until we have solved these issues?

Or are you saying that allowing abortion would solve these issues?

I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

rainbow kirby

emo72 wrote: »

so basically if the 8th was just scrapped it would just a medical thing between a woman and her doctor? private?

That's basically how the law stands in Canada at the moment and it seems to work just fine there.

donkeykongwar

sunshine and showers wrote: »

"Didn't use contraception correctly" is such a bullshít argument, everyone knows (or should know) that contraception is not 100% effective even when used perfectly correctly. That's an over-simplification.

sure but it is 99% effective.

anyway if conservative and religious meant the old days of ireland with less shootings less murders less bullies less suicides less alcohol related deaths, then my modern new-age nazi friends? i wouldnt even vote... worlds already fuked and theres no turning back. ill give capitalism another century before we nuke most the planet.

Huntergonzo

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I could never agree with that. It puts such a base value on life that it makes me ill. Is that really a society we want to live in? To make a choice like that, as if we were choosing the colour of a car we were buying?.

I don't agree with someone making that sort of frivolous choice either, but again I'd imagine it would be exceptionally rare. Just to add though I feel terrible when I hear harrowing stories of women having to travel to England for an abortion and then have their baby's remains sent back to them because their own state refuses to look after them, plenty of things can make you feel ill.

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I'm coming at the issue on the basis that life should be valued and looked after. That's based of my own feelings on the issue and life experiences I have had.

For the 3rd time on this thread I have to ask (I haven't asked you specifically 3 times though), why not go out and do as much as you can to help children that are already born and need help, why does the unborn get preference over the born?

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

The unborn don't have a voice, they aren't able to create posters, stickers, badges or Facebook pages or Twitter accounts or participate in debates.

You're right they can't do any of those things, infact they can't do anything at all without their mother. All they have is everything that their mother gives them when they're growing in her womb, there is no 'unborn' without it's mother, she is of vital importance here, that's why I give preference to the mother.

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I think life should be given a chance in all circumstances. Our lives and circumstances can be cruel and extremely unfair at times, but I think at the end of it all we should try and deal with what life throws at us and I don't think ending a life at any stage should be the option.

I disagree, abortion should be an option for women, prohibition isn't working anyway so why plough ahead with a proven failure?

Huntergonzo

Selene Dry Apartment wrote: »

There is no obsession, I don't even think about it unless the topic is raised but I have a very strong opinion on it that I totally disagree with abortion and don't want to see it being allowed to happen here, unfortunately we can make the Uk etc change their laws to ban it.

I don't need to go out and adopt children to enable me have an opinion on abortion.

I didn't say you did need to adopt to have an opinion on abortion. I just made the point that I find it strange that self proclaimed 'pro-lifers' seem to really only passionately care about 'unborn babies' and not so much about born children who need help.

It's strange and inconsistent morality.

ProfessorPlum

emo72 wrote: »

so basically if the 8th was just scrapped it would just a medical thing between a woman and her doctor? private?

The POLDP Act 3013 makes abortion illegal except in specific circumstances where the life of the mother is substantially at risk. The previous act - the Offences against the Person Act 1861 is, I believe, still in force and also makes abortion illegal, just as it did before the 1983 Ammendment was passed. Removing the Ammendment wouldn't make abortion legal (without further legislation).

(It would however, at least prevent some of the shocking cases we've seen such as the case that went through the courts last Christmas involving a brain dead woman in early pregnancy. )