BDGP Scheme

High bike

Count Mondego wrote: »

No sign of these feckin tags yet, who do I ring?

At this stage I'd contact the icbf about it,sent mine back yesterday

CCM

Count Mondego wrote: »

No sign of these feckin tags yet, who do I ring?

I'm just off the phone to them (ICBF 023 8820222), mine were ordered at end of June but not sent out as yet. Told it wouldn't be much longer.

Parishlad

CCM wrote: »

I'm just off the phone to them (ICBF 023 8820222), mine were ordered at end of June but not sent out as yet. Told it wouldn't be much longer.

Haven't received mine yet either. Have herd test next week so would be great to get them before then.

tanko

Posted the last of the samples on Monday and got a text yesterday saying they had received them all.
When i check the genotyping section on ICBF for some of the samples sent last year and two years ago it says "genotype being evaluated", if they can't fully verify the ancestry of these cows does that mean they won't qualify for the scheme.
For the rest of the samples sent in those years it says "sire verified". It won't matter as i'll have enough qualifying animals anyway hopefully.

LivInt20

tanko wrote: »

Posted the last of the samples on Monday and got a text yesterday saying they had received them all.
When i check the genotyping section on ICBF for some of the samples sent last year and two years ago it says "genotype being evaluated", if they can't fully verify the ancestry of these cows does that mean they won't qualify for the scheme.
For the rest of the samples sent in those years it says "sire verified". It won't matter as i'll have enough qualifying animals anyway hopefully.

It just means that the Sire cannot be verified. Most ca session is that the sire has not been genotyped.
Will not effect cows qualifiying or not

croot

tanko wrote: »

Posted the last of the samples on Monday and got a text yesterday saying they had received them all.
When i check the genotyping section on ICBF for some of the samples sent last year and two years ago it says "genotype being evaluated", if they can't fully verify the ancestry of these cows does that mean they won't qualify for the scheme.
For the rest of the samples sent in those years it says "sire verified". It won't matter as i'll have enough qualifying animals anyway hopefully.

Tanko I had two genotyped that had the wrong sire. Both were bought in and were 5* before that. They showed no * for the next evaluation but had an stars again the one after. One is 5* again but the other is only 3. Still showing as missing sire as well.

Kovu

Anyone who got that letter in the post today or receives one in the next few days. I rang them up and apparently everyone is getting them so don't get your knickers in a twist thinking that you've forgotten a sample or didn't put some data in. Sounded like mayhem behind the lady on the phone :P

patsy_mccabe

I was told to tag 2 of the 3 cows that went down with TB. When I rang them and I told them the situation, I was told to tag away as there was no way to change the cows on the options coming up on the computer, if they went down with TB.:rolleyes:

Hurling Hereford

Did any of ye receive a letter from the Dept today?

When I eventually got through to the fools in the Dept's office in Portlaoise, I was informed the letter related to the 2015 BDGP year. They 'forgot' to put the year down on the letter, now isn't that Real clever.

The lady who dealt with me was lovely, but she seemed so pissed off I hope she's okay tonight, seriously. Must be some nightmare working in the Beef Section.

Grueller

I have been sent no genotype tags yet for this year. Is anybody else in the same boat?

High bike

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Did any of ye receive a letter from the Dept today?

When I eventually got through to the fools in the Dept's office in Portlaoise, I was informed the letter related to the 2015 BDGP year. They 'forgot' to put the year down on the letter, now isn't that Real clever.

The lady who dealt with me was lovely, but she seemed so pissed off I hope she's okay tonight, seriously. Must be some nightmare working in the Beef Section.

no it's a nightmare working in any gov dept ,the level of incompetence an management level is fcuking mind blowing
And yes I'm speaking from first hand experience

tractorporn

Hurling Hereford wrote:

Did any of ye receive a letter from the Dept today?

Grueller wrote:

I have been sent no genotype tags yet for this year. Is anybody else in the same boat?

Got the letter and sent them an email this eve. No sign of any tags yet here but reading this apparently they are looking for data from 2015!

Parishlad

Our tags arrived today. Just in time for herd test this week so will be able to get them all done before the week is out. Well that's the plan anyway!:rolleyes:

croot

I got the letter yesterday and went onto ICBF site to check had I missed something. One of the cows on the first sample run had shown up last year with a missing sire even though I had the original AI docket. She was an old cow when sampled and I had sent her to the factory in 2014. Anyway its just been updated and she had her sire verified as a different AI bull. Our AI man at the time (since forcibly retired) had a bit of a rep for using any straw he had handy. Looks like there was some truth in it. :cool:

patsy_mccabe

So will the ear notch Genomics testing confirm the sire of the calf?

Hurling Hereford

Parishlad wrote: »

Our tags arrived today. Just in time for herd test this week so will be able to get them all done before the week is out. Well that's the plan anyway!:rolleyes:

A neighbour asked me to phone for him today, as he has not yet received his genotyping tags.

The very helpful guy in the Dept told me that ICBF had requested them. He explained as the tags are specially manufactured in, wait for this ... France, it takes a month at least from request date before the tags are issued. When an issuing date appears on the ICBF (bless them) it would be at least another week before the post people will deliver them to farms.

After all the spouting by both ICBF and the Dept 'bigwigs' at their consultation meetings around the country :mad:about having the DNA tags out earlier this year, this is farcical in the extreme.

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

So will the ear notch Genomics testing confirm the sire of the calf?

It will as long as the bull has been genotyped (I think).

Kovu

tanko wrote: »

It will as long as the bull has been genotyped (I think).

When I was on the phone to the lady about the letter I remembered a cow we had DNA tagged back in 2014- still shows up as 'GENOTYPE BEING EVALUATED'. She was accidentally reg'd under an AI code NAV, instead of NVI. Now I know NVI shows up as we had another cow tagged off him and it shows up as sire verified. But yet they can't change the cow to the correct sire?

(Asked the lady if she could change the code for me but nope, no can do. Have to use a form from the dept and send it on)

croot

Kovu wrote: »

When I was on the phone to the lady about the letter I remembered a cow we had DNA tagged back in 2014- still shows up as 'GENOTYPE BEING EVALUATED'. She was accidentally reg'd under an AI code NAV, instead of NVI. Now I know NVI shows up as we had another cow tagged off him and it shows up as sire verified. But yet they can't change the cow to the correct sire?

(Asked the lady if she could change the code for me but nope, no can do. Have to use a form from the dept and send it on)

Is it because they are different breeds? They have changed two of mine so far but within breed.

Kovu

croot wrote: »

Is it because they are different breeds? They have changed two of mine so far but within breed.

That could be it, but why the issue with changing a breed? Surely they should have found out the sire with the dna sample.

croot

Kovu wrote: »

That could be it, but why the issue with changing a breed? Surely they should have found out the sire with the dna sample.

I don't know really cause dna should show up who's the daddy but a lad on my discussion group mentioned that he had registered one wrong and had to get a form from dept to change the breed. I think he said the sire verified after.

Hurling Hereford

croot wrote: »

I don't know really cause dna should show up who's the daddy but a lad on my discussion group mentioned that he had registered one wrong and had to get a form from dept to change the breed. I think he said the sire verified after.

ER 94b form

KatyMac

I'm still waiting for tags - what the hell is the hold up.
I rang a while ago to see if I could get hair sample kits and was told that I had to wait until I actually got the tags. That will be yet a few more weeks added to the waiting time!! (Sigh)

Hurling Hereford

KatyMac wrote: »

I'm still waiting for tags - what the hell is the hold up.
I rang a while ago to see if I could get hair sample kits and was told that I had to wait until I actually got the tags. That will be yet a few more weeks added to the waiting time!! (Sigh)

Told by ICBF today that they hope to send out "an awful lot of tags" in the second week of August. Case of wait and see now

sonnybill

That's me done now I think, tagged all yesterday , training done, carbon navigator done .. Update info now as calves go over 5 months

tanko

Is there much to doing the carbon navigator?

bullnuts

sonnybill wrote: »

That's me done now I think, tagged all yesterday , training done, carbon navigator done .. Update info now as calves go over 5 months

Who does the carbon navigater ? Do I pay for this? A guy came out from glas making a nutrient plan cost me neat 400 I think

sonnybill

tanko wrote: »

Is there much to doing the carbon navigator?

Go to your advisor, based on housing and turnout dates, amount of concentrates fed and manure put out , your stocking rates and Kg of beef produced comes from ICBF .

Advisor does it and once submitted DAFM pay advisor E160, ie farmer doesn't pay

sonnybill

bullnuts wrote: »

Who does the carbon navigater ? Do I pay for this? A guy came out from glas making a nutrient plan cost me neat 400 I think

NMP is separate and GLAS requirement but similar info , carbon navigator focuses on reducing the carbon footprint of every beef farm, less cattle to produce more beef through more efficient animals - better calving interval, better genetics so cattle reach slaughter weight sooner, 24 month calving . Better utilisation of spring slurry , trailing shoe preferred to splash plate, more urea over CAN all help to reduce CHG's

Kovu

There's a bit of a paradox in 'less cattle to produce more beef' when we're also being coerced into going back to native breeds to suit the consumer :pac:

Hurling Hereford

sonnybill wrote: »

Go to your advisor, based on housing and turnout dates, amount of concentrates fed and manure put out , your stocking rates and Kg of beef produced comes from ICBF .

Advisor does it and once submitted DAFM pay advisor E160, ie farmer doesn't pay

100% Correct!

Hurling Hereford

tanko wrote: »

Is there much to doing the carbon navigator?

Nothing to doing the Carbon Navigator.

Just get it a reputable planner to do it for you, not one of those ould Teagasc planner who attempted to charge a friend of mine €140 and he getting paid from the Dept. for doing it also.

My planner who's a wee genius in Donegal town, out the Killybegs Road and he did my C.N. perfectly

sonnybill

Kovu wrote: »

There's a bit of a paradox in 'less cattle to produce more beef' when we're also being coerced into going back to native breeds to suit the consumer :pac:

Age limits and carcase restrictions have also long done away with the 3 and 4 year old store bullocks that used to come
In off of the islands and down from the hills - they be existing no more !

Grueller

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Nothing to doing the Carbon Navigator.

Just get it a reputable planner to do it for you, not one of those ould Teagasc planner who attempted to charge a friend of mine €140 and he getting paid from the Dept. for doing it also.

My planner who's a wee genius in Donegal town, out the Killybegs Road and he did my C.N. perfectly

Not all teagasc planners are poor. Father has an outstanding one here.

Hurling Hereford

Grueller wrote: »

Not all teagasc planners are poor. Father has an outstanding one here.

I did not say ALL Teagasc were poor.

I used used their service but I don't anymore.

Kovu

sonnybill wrote: »

Age limits and carcase restrictions have also long done away with the 3 and 4 year old store bullocks that used to come
In off of the islands and down from the hills - they be existing no more !

That's true! It still seems like the suckler farmer is being pushed to the limits of where many draw the line of sensible farming.

Bellview

sonnybill wrote:

Go to your advisor, based on housing and turnout dates, amount of concentrates fed and manure put out , your stocking rates and Kg of beef produced comes from ICBF .

The kg of beef by icbf is a great laugh as all estimated and no scale used. I only weighed young cattle last year and the weights provided by icbf for these were just wrong even their guy weighed them

blue5000

Kovu wrote: »

There's a bit of a paradox in 'less cattle to produce more beef' when we're also being coerced into going back to native breeds to suit the consumer :pac:

They finish off grass younger, less meal, less CO2, less methane, no de-horning if they're angus. Smaller so they can be stocked tighter, and produce more beef per hectare.

Having said all that here's the paradox, I'm hoping to buy a charolais or blonde bull next year at a good price;)

Kovu

blue5000 wrote: »

They finish off grass younger, less meal, less CO2, less methane, no de-horning if they're angus. Smaller so they can be stocked tighter, and produce more beef per hectare.

Having said all that here's the paradox, I'm hoping to buy a charolais or blonde bull next year at a good price;)

I'm smaller than my dad but it doesn't mean I fart any less :P

So lets say you could stock 20 AA bullocks but 15 continentals, would these be proven to be more economically viable long term? You're going to have to keep them for much longer (albeit grass fed with little meal) then fleshier breeds. Just wondering because I see two bulls I sold to a lad late last harvest were killed at the start of July, one 14 months, one 15, 320 & 345ko respectively. You'd have to hold them another year if they were angus.

blue5000

Kovu wrote: »

I'm smaller than my dad but it doesn't mean I fart any less :P

So lets say you could stock 20 AA bullocks but 15 continentals, would these be proven to be more economically viable long term? You're going to have to keep them for much longer (albeit grass fed with little meal) then fleshier breeds. Just wondering because I see two bulls I sold to a lad late last harvest were killed at the start of July, one 14 months, one 15, 320 & 345ko respectively. You'd have to hold them another year if they were angus.

Ya but how much meal did they get? All that ploughing, tilling, harvesting transporting, rolling drying mixing, more transporting, put a lot of CO2 in the air.
Never mind the CO2 from producing the shed that went up in the air too. I reckon it's all bullsh1te and I have an Env. Sc degree.

This whole carbon navigator is just another big stick from Brussels to beat us up with. 'You peasants better show us that you can produce beef with a lower carbon footprint than S. America or we'll cut off the trickle down effect economics and buy beef from wherever in the world it's produced cheapest'.

tanko

Kovu wrote: »

I'm smaller than my dad but it doesn't mean I fart any less :P

So lets say you could stock 20 AA bullocks but 15 continentals, would these be proven to be more economically viable long term? You're going to have to keep them for much longer (albeit grass fed with little meal) then fleshier breeds. Just wondering because I see two bulls I sold to a lad late last harvest were killed at the start of July, one 14 months, one 15, 320 & 345ko respectively. You'd have to hold them another year if they were angus.

What fat score were those Bulls?

Kovu

tanko wrote: »

What fat score were those Bulls?

U- 3= on the young fella, U- 3+ on the other. I'm actually wrong on the 14 month KO, it was 360, read it wrong the first time.
He was the red whitehead that was a monster when born last year, was on the photo thread if ye remember!

Bellview

blue5000 wrote:

This whole carbon navigator is just another big stick from Brussels to beat us up with. 'You peasants better show us that you can produce beef with a lower carbon footprint than S. America or we'll cut off the trickle down effect economics and buy beef from wherever in the world it's produced cheapest'.

blue5000 wrote:

This whole carbon navigator is just another big stick from Brussels to beat us up with. 'You peasants better show us that you can produce beef with a lower carbon footprint than S. America or we'll cut off the trickle down effect economics and buy beef from wherever in the world it's produced cheapest'.

Was it Brussels or Coveney came up with the navigator. I was at a tslk he gave in cork about 2 years ago and he was calling a carbon navigator as ground breaking opportunity for ireland. While I liked Coveney as a clear communicator the more I observe his approach he seems to allow civil servants write all documents without consulting and then goes straight to execution.
When civil servants are given control we don't always get the right program but we get lots of red tape

Toplink

Anyone else still not received their tags from ICBF?

limo_100

Toplink wrote: »

Anyone else still not received their tags from ICBF?

ours came a month ago put in the 20samples in today. I put the a sample into the wrong tube does anyone no what I should to with it?

whelan2

Toplink wrote: »

Anyone else still not received their tags from ICBF?

we didnt get any yet

Grueller

None here either

Hurling Hereford

limo_100 wrote: »

ours came a month ago put in the 20samples in today. I put the a sample into the wrong tube does anyone no what I should to with it?

Contact ICBF on 1850 625626 and they will sort the matter out for you fairly lively.

tractorporn

Toplink wrote:

Anyone else still not received their tags from ICBF?

Ours arrived this morning.

Jb1989

2015 deadlines for samples is today Friday. What's the chances of them accepting them in the post Monday on Monday morning. I never copped the deadline till now