Unionists demand Uisce be removed from man hole covers

keano_afc

LAD have put together some quality stuff on the TUV. They have a video of Jolene Bunting attempting to speak English thats pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXWaL02W_2Q

armaghlad

swimming in a sea wrote: »

Also very funny whenever you hear a SF person on the radio trying to avoid at all costs saying "Northern Ireland"

I maybe wrong on this but didn't SF replace all the hospital signs with bilingual signs when they had the health ministry and then later they were all replaced again when the DUP had the health ministry. They have a rich government up there.

I don't think that happened. It may have been NHS literature or something like that.

armaghlad

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So far, is it 1 Councillor?

It hardly seems to be some big issue amongst the Unionist masses!

It's one councillor here. Last week it was an MP caught on record seemingly agreeing with the racist sentiments of one of his constituents. A month or so back it was a whole (unionist) council blocking a new leisure centre (free!) for a nationalist town.

Ok on the face of it, it's Ballymena, it's the type of them up there so it's not to be unexpected that they might kick up a fuss. But there'll be something in a week or two... then something else the week after that...

Samaris

Are they demanding the uisce be removed from under the manhole too, just in case?

Speedwell

Samaris wrote: »

Are they demanding the uisce be removed from under the manhole too, just in case?

Maybe they should demand that the water supply be voice-activated so that every time someone turns on the tap they must say "water" in English.

/sarcasm

Samaris

Speedwell wrote: »

Maybe they should demand that the water supply be voice-activated so that every time someone turns on the tap they must say "water" in English.

/sarcasm

Cue a drought in NI as the voice activation doesn't understand the Belfast accent! :pac:

mansize

Probably to the get the contract for their mates. The expenses and tenders scandal in Stormont is off the scale...

RobertKK

It's all agua to me, and should be for certain Unionists too.

timthumbni

armaghlad wrote: »

Unfortunately this is common behaviour from Unionists. The slightest display of anything Irish will offend them. The TUV are a particularly sinister collection of bigots. The fact that they don't form part of the government means they can display their bigotry more openly, unlike the DUP who have had to tone down their hatred of all things Irish due to being partners in government with SF - although that hasn't stopped them engaging in the odd xenophobic/bigoted/sectarian slip now and again. Outsiders have a lazy analysis that both sides are as bad as each other, believe me they're not.

I know, I see last week these unionists put a bomb under a prison officers car badly injuring him, after it went off in a residential area of east Belfast.

Ohh wait. That was republicans......

armaghlad

timthumbni wrote: »

I know, I see last week these unionists put a bomb under a prison officers car badly injuring him, after it went off in a residential area of east Belfast.

Ohh wait. That was republicans......

Whataboutwhatabaoutwhataboutwhatabout...

Nice attempt at deflection though

bear1

You can see already where this thread is heading.

timthumbni

And as for Fraser who has no mandate, and has failed to get one anytime he stands for election the only time I hear his name normally is by obsessed nationalists and that lad flag site. (And that site really has become a parody of itself )

Fraser is a troll and the sad thing is that nationalists and some others continue to feed that troll, endlessly it seems. If people can't work out by now that he is trying to get a reaction and annoy then they really need to take a hard look at themselves. If he wasn't given the oxygen of publicity then he would likely quickly vanish.

timthumbni

armaghlad wrote: »

Whataboutwhatabaoutwhataboutwhatabout...

Nice attempt at deflection though

Hold on, it was you that posted that one side and in your opinion, unionists were worse than the other. I simply proved that you were talking nonsense. As in my opinion a bomb planted by republicans to try to murder someone in Belfast just a few short days ago sort of blows your notion out of the water.

The Randy Riverbeast

timthumbni wrote: »

Hold on, it was you that posted that one side and in your opinion, unionists were worse than the other. I simply proved that you were talking nonsense. As in my opinion a bomb planted by republicans to try to murder someone in Belfast just a few short days ago sort of blows your notion out of the uisce

fyp

armaghlad

timthumbni wrote: »

Hold on, it was you that posted that one side and in your opinion, unionists were worse than the other. I simply proved that you were talking nonsense. As in my opinion a bomb planted by republicans to try murder someone in Belfast just a few short days ago sort of blows your notion out of the water.

Ok you're comparing the actions of a dissident paramilitary group with someone in public office. If you can find a catalogue of examples of SDLP or SF displaying he same sectarian petty and insulting behaviour ill gladly retract my argument.

timthumbni

armaghlad wrote: »

Ok you're comparing the actions of a dissident paramilitary group with someone in public office. If you can find a catalogue of examples of SDLP or SF displaying he same sectarian petty and insulting behaviour ill gladly retract my argument.

Can't post links at moment but let's listen to elected Sinn Fein councillor Tony mccaul when he says return to violence can't be ruled out.

Mccaul who is a member of the local Policing and community safety partnership said on Facebook "republicans can never rule out any tactic, including violence. I now believe politics is expedient, but that view could change if circumstances change"

This is on Belfast telegraph site today and others if you want the full article.

That of course is much more sinister than petty disputes over man hole covers. If you want something on a similar vein of pettiness from the SF side then google Barry Mcelduff SF and McDonald's burgers. He went off on one as some mcGaelic burger available in the republic wasn't available in Northern Ireland McDonalds.

Not as bad, my arse.......

You guys don't understand, uisce doesn't actually mean 'water' it means 'Up the Ra' and the manholes aren't covering sewers they are covering secret Irish bunkers, just waiting for our day to strike.

armaghlad

timthumbni wrote: »

Can't post links at moment but let's listen to elected Sinn Fein councillor Tony mccaul when he says return to violence can't be ruled out.

Mccaul who is a member of the local Policing and community safety partnership said on Facebook "republicans can never rule out any tactic, including violence. I now believe politics is expedient, but that view could change if circumstances change"

This is on Belfast telegraph site today and others if you want the full article.

That of course is much more sinister than petty disputes over man hole covers. If you want something on a similar vein of pettiness from the SF side then google Barry Mcelduff SF and McDonald's burgers. He went off on one as some mcGaelic burger available in the republic wasn't available in Northern Ireland McDonalds.

Not as bad, my arse.......

McCaul basically saying Republicans might use violence in the future is sinister?

I think there's a difference between Barry McElduff yapping at McDonald's about some McGaa burger not being available in NI and the mayor of Ballymena calling for public money to be spent to replace manhole covers because they've Irish on them AND at the same time have the audacity to brand flowers in the town centre a waste of money.

In neither case is there a sectarian or antagonistic element.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I wonder what they think of the Red Hand Commandos slogan.

pickarooney

They literally said they were 'looking into it' in an article about manholes.

Dyr

There's 26 squares on thon manhole too! One for every county in the south!

FLEGG!!! AWWWR KULSHURE!!!

timthumbni

timthumbni wrote: »

Can't post links at moment but let's listen to elected Sinn Fein councillor Tony mccaul when he says return to violence can't be ruled out.

Mccaul who is a member of the local Policing and community safety partnership said on Facebook "republicans can never rule out any tactic, including violence. I now believe politics is expedient, but that view could change if circumstances change"

This is on Belfast telegraph site today and others if you want the full article.

That of course is much more sinister than petty disputes over man hole covers. If you want something on a similar vein of pettiness from the SF side then google Barry Mcelduff SF and McDonald's burgers. He went off on one as some mcGaelic burger available in the republic wasn't available in Northern Ireland McDonalds.

Not as bad, my arse.......

I don't know what is surprising about this. We are in an interim peace. The ceasefire agreement allowed for a referendum to join the Republic and if the first didn't pass, another could be held every 7 years ad infinitum until it did pass. Given that the number of Protestants is shrinking and the number of Catholics is rising, the latter will soon be a majority (Q1 2017 actually).
Even if all Catholics don't vote yes, they're still heading in a direction of having a majority who will say yes.

When that becomes apparent, Loyalists will end the peace process and 'attack the electorate'. It's inevitable. They'll also attack the Irish Republic, because they must have a referendum too, Loyalists will try to 'sway' that vote. The last military strategy of the UVF in the 1990s was to increase atrocities across the border, and that's what they would have done had fighting resumed in 1998.

And on the other hand, if the Provos get the idea in their heads that a referendum has been tampered with, they'll end the ceasefire first.

Junkyard Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

When that becomes apparent, Loyalists will end the peace process and 'attack the electorate'.

To what ends? What could they hope to achieve?

MRnotlob606

CJhaughey wrote: »

Its nearly Scottish Gaelic for water anyway, Uisge or Uisce!
If it was Uisge would it be more readily accepted?

I'm assuming they want it in Ulster Scots, which really a pseudo language to be honest.

road_high

screamer wrote: »

Well, in Ireland, Irish is an official language of the country, so I can see why it's there. Sure the same argument holds true in Wales, but they are fiercely proud of their language and utilise it in tandem with English, and do it very well.

Indeed. And I'm pretty sure the UK recognise Irish/Gaelic as a minority language as to be fair they seem pretty good at kind of stuff/parity of esteem etc.

armaghlad

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I'm assuming they want it in Ulster Scots, which really a pseudo language to be honest.

I can't find the link but there was Ulster Scot signage erected in somewhere like Newtownards; anyway people ripped the signs down because they thought they were in Irish.

Edit: It was Belfast

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/478513.stm

Maximus Alexander

valoren wrote: »

It's ironic that the town he calls home, Ballymeena, derives it's name from the Irish language.

Not to mention: is in Ireland. :pac:

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

To what ends? What could they hope to achieve?

To scare the electorate to vote against a United Ireland. Remember, we're talking about people who thought killing random Catholics helped to prevent a UI.

road_high

armaghlad wrote: »

I can't find the link but there was Ulster Scot signage erected in somewhere like Newtownards; anyway people ripped the signs down because they thought they were in Irish.

All-over Scotland and Wales now you see place names and things in both languages. However, in Northern Ireland they have more in common with England in fact where just the English is used (for obvious political reasons)..but think myself the Gaelic names should be used also just as in the Republic or indeed Wales/Scotland.
But there'd probably be widespread rioting on the scale of the Belfast city hall flag hysterics...

OldMrBrennan83

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mikeym

Who bleeding cares about man hole covers.

How if they were in Japanese?

Some of those Unionists come from a different planet not the United Kingdom.

armaghlad

road_high wrote: »

All-over Scotland and Wales now you see place names and things in both languages. However, in Northern Ireland they have more in common with England in fact where just the English is used (for obvious political reasons)..but think myself the Gaelic names should be used also just as in the Republic or indeed Wales/Scotland.
But there'd probably be widespread rioting on the scale of the Belfast city hall flag hysterics...

The DUP is actively blocking an Irish Language Act in NI, such is their contempt and ignorance towards anything Irish. So the idea of bilingual signage, apart from Council signs in areas which have appetite for such, is pie in the sky.

Although in saying that, putting up "Welcome to Northern Ireland" signs in the full knowledge that they'd most likely be removed or defaced was seen as a worthwhile endeavour, so perhaps in that sense Unionists like "wasting" money on roadsigns.

Jayop

Unfair to tarnish all Unionists with the sins of the like of the TUV. They're a disgrace and as bad as the DUP have been in the past they at least now seem willing to live on some sort of an equal footing with nationalists.

Foster getting the top job doesn't bode well though.

armaghlad

Jayop wrote: »

Unfair to tarnish all Unionists with the sins of the like of the TUV. They're a disgrace and as bad as the DUP have been in the past they at least now seem willing to live on some sort of an equal footing with nationalists.

Foster getting the top job doesn't bode well though.

I would have thought Foster the best of a bad bunch plus at least it's a female occupied position. The DUP have toned down a bit but they still have bigots in their ranks - Wells, Wilson, Campbell, Robinson etc

Jayop

armaghlad wrote: »

I would have thought Foster the best of a bad bunch plus at least it's a female occupied position. The DUP have toned down a bit but they still have bigots in their ranks - Wells, Wilson, Campbell, Robinson etc

Ah yeah no doubt they do but I think she's a dangerous one. You can see from the statements she made last week about McGuinness that she's willing to say anything for personal political gain. No different to most politicians in the South actually.

Capt'n Midnight

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, you have to pronounce the ts. Ulster Scots isn't just some Mickey Mouse language where you can spell the words any way you want.

As this is an issue that affects hundreds of the folk of Northern Ireland maybe they should get the assembly involved ?

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/about-the-assembly/general-information/information-leaflets/ulster-scots/

Plenarie sessions…
is fou forgaithers o the Assemblie in the
Assemblie Chaumber. This is whaur LMFs talks
owre maiters as bes a-dae wi the fowk o Norlin
Airlan, an pits throu laas. Plenarie sessions bes
helt Monandeys an Tuesdeys. Thay ar braidcuist
live on the Assemblies wabsteid. Ye can leuk at
a plenarie session frae the Public Gallerie, at
owreleuks the Chaumber.

...


Syne 2007, Assemblie comatees is haean forgaithers wi hunners o fowk an thinkan on a wheen differan maiters as haes an effect tae the fowk o Norlin Airlan. Siclyke comprehends halth maiters, watter charges, schuil transfer pruiws, energie prices, raa sauftie, an ingae tae the housin.

Just read out that page in a Norn accent

Junkyard Tom

Deleted User wrote: »

To scare the electorate to vote against a United Ireland.

That would only scare the electorate and England/London into making sure that a UI happens.

Jayop wrote: »

as the DUP have been in the past they at least now seem willing to live on some sort of an equal footing with nationalists

They have little choice. Remember the DUP's motto was once Smash Sinn Fein.

The north has some of the world's most stringent anti-discrimination laws in place as regards employment. The sectarian state was dismantled despite DUP/TUV types not because they suddenly decided it was the right thing to do.

rsh118

The TUV will do anything to remain 'relevant' with their voters who are overwhelmingly working class unionists who feel they got nothing out of the peace process.

This storm in a tea cup comes about because of the fact that SF have started to play a very clever game of sounding reasonable, which the DUP and TUV in particular cannot get their heads around.

Still incredible that the Irish language bill gets held back though. There is literally no justifiable reason outside 'thur getting more things than us'.

Samaris

I wonder if there -was- such a referendum if the EU would have a say in it? It would, unfortunately, probably pass in the republic (assuming it passed in NI), but I have no idea what would happen next.

Capt'n Midnight

mikeym wrote: »

Some of those Unionists come from a different planet not the United Kingdom.

Not a different planet, a different century.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

armaghlad wrote: »

The DUP is actively blocking an Irish Language Act in NI, such is their contempt and ignorance towards anything Irish. So the idea of bilingual signage, apart from Council signs in areas which have appetite for such, is pie in the sky.

If it's anything like the Language Act down here, I'd see their point.

Although in saying that, putting up "Welcome to Northern Ireland" signs in the full knowledge that they'd most likely be removed or defaced was seen as a worthwhile endeavour, so perhaps in that sense Unionists like "wasting" money on roadsigns.

That kinda **** happens in Kerry as well!

The Randy Riverbeast

armaghlad wrote: »

I can't find the link but there was Ulster Scot signage erected in somewhere like Newtownards; anyway people ripped the signs down because they thought they were in Irish.

Edit: It was Belfast

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/478513.stm

I love that language. It's as if groundskeeper Willy taught people English.

BBC have an entire section on it, here's a paragraph to teach children about St Patrick.

Weel, Hoo's things! Ye micht a heerd wurd o me aaready. A'm Petherick, tha Patron Saunt o Airlan. Cum alang an hae a luk aboot wi me: ye'll fin oot aa aboot ma days an ma daeins – an A hae a mission fur ye forbye. As ye lairn mair fects aboot ma life, ye can soart oot whut's true an whut's jist a bit o an oul yairn – an ye'll fin fIVE bits o a puzzle hid.

OldMrBrennan83

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uck51js9zml2yt

Irish water causing trouble again. If its good enough for us then its good enough for them

Iwasfrozen

Patww79 wrote: »

****ing hell.

Though from that paragraph I'm already better that that than Irish. I'm sticking it on the CV as an additional language.

A lot of closely related languages are mutually intelligible in writing but usually less so in words. I can understand about 80% of that in writing and about 60% if someone was talking to me in Scots, which from what I hear is about the same as Norwegian / Danish, Bulgarian / Russian.

Niemoj

Irish is the native language of this island, all 32 counties of it.

And if the loyalists don't like that then can they please just feck back to Scotland although given the fact the signs are in Scots and English they won't be too happy with that either!

Iwasfrozen

Niemoj wrote: »

Irish is the native language of this island, all 32 counties of it.

And if the loyalists don't like that then can they please just feck back to Scotland although given the fact the signs are in Scots and English they won't be too happy with that either!

Not even close. Irish is an import.

OldMrBrennan83

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kingchess

Niemoj wrote: »

Irish is the native language of this island, all 32 counties of it.
Indigenous might be a better word to use.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Niemoj wrote: »

Irish is the native language of this island, all 32 counties of it.

And if the loyalists don't like that then can they please just feck back to Scotland although given the fact the signs are in Scots and English they won't be too happy with that either!

Native means nothing - just ask the Navajo. Or the Maori. Or the Aborigines.

Politically, it's not an official langauge in Norhtern Ireland in the same way it's not an official language. You don't get to tell people in foreign jurisdictions to "feck off" just because they have different backgrounds to you.