Miserable Irish Begrudgery

josephryan1989

I think it was Yeats who compared the Irish to a sow who eats its farrow. Every writer this country ever produced was banned at some stage!

Yet again the same old miserable Irish begrudgery rears it's head when a person who has made a success of himself like McGregor has a setback.

I'm not a fan of MMA as such but I watched the fights and I enjoy watching McGregor mouthing and peacocking and I take my hat off to him for his magnificent success.

However after his defeat we have witnessed a jeering lynch mob of bitter twisted sad sacks attacking him.

Why?

Is it a relic of our revolution when landlords were run out of the country and their palaces they left behind burned to the ground?

Can some people never just be happy for someone?

Thoughts?

Swashbuckler

josephryan1989 wrote: »

I think it was Yeats who compared the Irish to a sow who eats its farrow.

Yet again the same old miserable Irish begrudgery rears it's head when a person who has made a success of himself like McGregor has a setback.

I'm not a fan of MMA as such but I watched the fights and I enjoy watching McGregor mouthing and peacocking and I take my hat off to him for his magnificent success.

However after his defeat we have witnessed a jeering lynch mob of bitter twisted sad sacks attacking him.

Why?

Is it a relic of our revolution when landlords were run out of the country and their palaces they left behind burned to the ground?

Can some people never just be happy for someone?

There is an unsavoury mix of jackasses who are in love with McG and talk the world of **** about his opponents being pussies etc and jackasses who hate the guy. These two groups seem to be obsessed with outdoing eachother and in the middle of all of this the reasonable folk (actual fans of the sport) get caught. Not sure I've ever seen anything like the furore that surrounds the McGregor phenomenon. Talk about polarizing a nation. It's also worth noting people are great at talking **** online.

Liam O

Swashbuckler wrote: »

There is an unsavoury mix of jackasses who are in love with McG and talk the world of **** about his opponents being pussies etc and jackasses who hate the guy. These two groups seem to be obsessed with outdoing eachother and in the middle of all of this the reasonable folk (actual fans of the sport) get caught. Not sure I've ever seen anything like the furore that surrounds the McGregor phenomenon. Talk about polarizing a nation. It's also worth noting people are great at talking **** online.

This whole "actual fan of the sport" thing is the bullshít behind it. People who watched the GSPs, Griffins, BJ Penns, Liddells, heck even Lesnars a few years ago seem to want everyone to know that they have been watching for longer than the new fans that McGregor has brought to the sport and how much better they are than them. It's like anything online really.

There is always people ready to plunge the knife into people at the top and McGregor is so confident that people see him as some upstart who is disrespecting fighters who have years on him in the game. This is because they only really pay attention to him in the run up to a fight and only see the outspoken, getting in opponents head Conor, not the one who literally stops whatever he's doing so that (almost) everyone who asks him for a picture gets one.

Swashbuckler

Liam O wrote: »

This whole "actual fan of the sport" thing is the bullshít behind it. People who watched the GSPs, Griffins, BJ Penns, Liddells, heck even Lesnars a few years ago seem to want everyone to know that they have been watching for longer than the new fans that McGregor has brought to the sport and how much better they are than them. It's like anything online really.

There is always people ready to plunge the knife into people at the top and McGregor is so confident that people see him as some upstart who is disrespecting fighters who have years on him in the game. This is because they only really pay attention to him in the run up to a fight and only see the outspoken, getting in opponents head Conor, not the one who literally stops whatever he's doing so that (almost) everyone who asks him for a picture gets one.

You're missing my point completely. I'm all for the new fans. I'm not talking about the more knowledgeable long term fans. I'm more than happy to see people posting on here who are complete newbies but are "actual fans" and not just the jackasses that have landed recently and are either clones of the **** talking side of McG or the haters, both of whom are constantly trying to outdo eachother.

raze_them_all_

lawred2 wrote: »

It's a bloodsport for jackass thugs

quite right ole chap, tally ho

DrumSteve

lawred2 wrote: »

It's a bloodsport for jackass thugs

Great film.

Tazzimus

DrumSteve wrote: »

Great film.

Love a bit of Dim Mak I do

evil_seed

I actually said to a mate that a thread like this would appear.
How is it begrudgery to enjoy a defeat of a fighter you don't even like and have never been a fan of?
Is it begrudgery to see a rival football/soccer/rugby team lose and enjoy it?

CatFromHue

I don't think he's been attacked since his loss by Irish people.

There's a lot of discussion all right about how he fought the fight and how he lost it but really he hasn't gotten that much abuse.

paulieeye

its not "Irish begrudgery"...take a look at reddit...theres plenty of people around the world who were delighted to see him lose. I wouldnt let it annoy you, its the nature of his hype

riffmongous

Meh, Sonnen, Brock, etc, this is nothing new or special, wait till Punk fights and we'll do it all again

floorpie

The negativity around this loss has been disgusting.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I actually haven't heard any begrudgery going CmcG's direction from Irish fans of the UFC.

I've seen a lot of bollox talk from just about every corner trying to lay blame on everyone and everything else but CmcG.

I think the stupidest, most retarded thread I've seen has been the one about CmcG's movement coach, but overwhelmingly CmcG has been supported by the Irish UFC fans.

Contrast that with the crap posted about Ronda Rousey when she lost (mostly by the same Irish fans) and what you have is even greater CmcG support.

I think you're wrong OP.

One thing I do think Irish people got cheesed off with, myself included and I'd know Conor pretty well, was when the trash talk went from banter and selling seats to personal insults and generally acting like a dick.. I think he forgot where the line in the sand was and people didn't like that.

All that aside he still has overwhelming support here in Ireland. I think we all wish him well and look forward to a strong comeback.

ceecee14

Maddox Strong Trombone wrote:

One thing I do think Irish people got cheesed off with, myself included and I'd know Conor pretty well, was when the trash talk went from banter and selling seats to personal insults and generally acting like a dick.. I think he forgot where the line in the sand was and people didn't like that.

Agree with that. Loved him until after the Mendes fight, it's not just thrash talk anymore its all numbers..money, ppv buys ect.. This isn't trying to get in to an opponents head or sell fights, its just bragging about how rich he is.

Gamebred

Maddox Strong Trombone wrote: »

I actually haven't heard any begrudgery going CmcG's direction from Irish fans of the UFC.

I've seen a lot of bollox talk from just about every corner trying to lay blame on everyone and everything else but CmcG.

I think the stupidest, most retarded thread I've seen has been the one about CmcG's movement coach, but overwhelmingly CmcG has been supported by the Irish UFC fans.

Contrast that with the crap posted about Ronda Rousey when she lost (mostly by the same Irish fans) and what you have is even greater CmcG support.

I think you're wrong OP.

One thing I do think Irish people got cheesed off with, myself included and I'd know Conor pretty well, was when the trash talk went from banter and selling seats to personal insults and generally acting like a dick.. I think he forgot where the line in the sand was and people didn't like that.

All that aside he still has overwhelming support here in Ireland. I think we all wish him well and look forward to a strong comeback.

Matt Mittrione was on the mma hour and said similar,he got caught up in his own circus,nobody giving him a reality check surrounded by yes men ufc and media telling him the numbers were huge everything he done something like abusing an opponent so keep it up,I think and I posted at the time the jibes at Dos Anjos's kids were crossing the line,I think alls fair in fight promotion but families are off limits,


There was worse reality checks he could've got,losing without losing his belt is one of the better ways of it happening.

Gamebred

prinzeugen wrote: »

Bet in 5 years Connor will be on coke and broke.

I never heard of MMA till everyone started talking about him.. What I hate is the mouth, the sorry tales of the hard life on the dole (he quit his job to go on the social. MMA training does not stop you holding down a plumbing job FFS) etc

I find him an arrogant twat that had that loss coming to him. And no.. He is not the "greatest" Irish sportsperson ever..

But we now have a generation of younger folks (and older but we cant talk about that) that think they are the next connor and punching someone is the way to sort stuff..

Think the scangers around Dublin are bad now? Wait till they start doing connors on you for your phone.

Abusing his skills and thrash talk is one thing,but this vile post is truly sickening 1am in the morning and your posting this personal vile? says a lot about you,get a life.

prinzeugen

Gamebred wrote: »

Abusing his skills and thrash talk is one thing,but this vile post is truly sickening 1am in the morning and your posting this personal vile? says a lot about you,get a life.

Vile post?? Explain?

And I have a life thank you.. Post not the poster :-)

lawred2

Gamebred wrote: »

Abusing his skills and thrash talk is one thing,but this vile post is truly sickening 1am in the morning and your posting this personal vile? says a lot about you,get a life.

keep you knickers on Shirley

ceecee14

prinzeugen wrote:

But we now have a generation of younger folks (and older but we cant talk about that) that think they are the next connor and punching someone is the way to sort stuff..

prinzeugen wrote:

Think the scangers around Dublin are bad now? Wait till they start doing connors on you for your phone.

Most ridiculous thing I've ever read!!
U think no one in Dublin knew how to throw a punch till Conor became news? And now suddenly they have learned what a punch is that they'll go around punching everyone?

paulieeye

prinzeugen wrote: »

Bet in 5 years Connor will be on coke and broke.

I never heard of MMA till everyone started talking about him.. What I hate is the mouth, the sorry tales of the hard life on the dole (he quit his job to go on the social. MMA training does not stop you holding down a plumbing job FFS) etc

I find him an arrogant twat that had that loss coming to him. And no.. He is not the "greatest" Irish sportsperson ever..

But we now have a generation of younger folks (and older but we cant talk about that) that think they are the next connor and punching someone is the way to sort stuff..

Think the scangers around Dublin are bad now? Wait till they start doing connors on you for your phone.

You do know that ireland has a great history of boxing yeah? aaah I remember the chaos that ensued after carruth won his gold medal...the streets running red as the younger folk who had just learned what a punch was ran wild. They forgot what a punch was soon after from the head trauma but thankfully mcgregor has thought them this mysterious art once again. Hide yo kids..hide yo wife!!!!

josephryan1989

evil_seed wrote: »

I actually said to a mate that a thread like this would appear.
How is it begrudgery to enjoy a defeat of a fighter you don't even like and have never been a fan of?
Is it begrudgery to see a rival football/soccer/rugby team lose and enjoy it?

If they don't like him that's one thing.
I'm talking about not liking him because he is successful.
He is obnoxious hence the Notorious shtick he puts on.
I find him fun and it's just a laugh.
But to actually begrudge his talent and success is different and kicking him after a setback is worse and betrays a misery guts mindset that has nothing to do with McGregor himself but runs deeper.
When Michael Flately made it big in dancing - a similar personality who is a self made man - the same hateful attitude was in evidence.
Both men aren't shy about living it large and displaying their material success.
I despise the haters who hate for the sake of it and without reason.

Tazzimus

paulieeye wrote: »

You do know that ireland has a great history of boxing yeah? aaah I remember the chaos that ensued after carruth won his gold medal...the streets running red as the younger folk who had just learned what a punch was ran wild. They forgot what a punch was soon after from the head trauma but thankfully mcgregor has thought them this mysterious art once again. Hide yo kids..hide yo wife!!!!

There was riots Joe, people behaving like animals Joe!

That_Guy

A few days removed and I've been thinking about the many negative comments/articles that have been produced in the wake of his loss.

It's like people are falling over themselves to stick the boot in and look, that's fair enough I guess.

Conor is such a polarising figure not just in Ireland but all over the world. People watch him to cheer him on. People tune in to watch him hopefully lose. Either way, it's win-win for Conor and the UFC given the amount of money he generates from PPV buys and the like.

I've been thinking about begrudgery and "bandwagoning". These are two terms that have been thrown around like mad the last few days.

I think there is a nasty undercurrent of "real MMA fans" vs "bandwagon fans" particularly from the shíte that has cropped up on my Facebook/Twitter pages from Irish people.

Knocking something because it's popular and people have flocked in their masses to watch MMA/UFC events. Almost like people thinking that Conor losing is the death knell of MMA popularity.

"Time to get off the bandwagon now lads" was one post I saw recently from a person who doesn't even like the sport.

I have seen similar posts from supposed hardcore fans almost thinking that Conor's loss will help reclaim the sport for the "real fans".

I hate this kinda crap. I really do.

I haven't seen it crop up on this forum for a while thankfully and the "bandwagon" term needs to be ban worthy in my opinion.

But going back to begrudgery, I've decided to stop giving out to people for taking joy in Conor's defeat. As I say, he's a polarising figure and he will invoke strong emotions/reactions in people.

Different fighters invoke certain reactions in me and there have been times when I've wanted fighters to lose for whatever reason. I appreciate everything they do to compete and stepping into a cage takes balls so fair dues.

It's the same for most sports I think. I'm a Bohs fan and I almost take pleasure from Shamrock Rovers losing. Ok, football is totally different because it's more of a tribal/community thing but just because Conor is Irish doesn't necessarily mean that he commands support from all corners of the island.

I'm a big fan of Conor but like most, I've only been made aware of him since he stepped into the Octagon for the first time but I've been watching the sport for ages.

I didn't always like him either but once I twigged what he was doing after the ACL injury, I had the utmost respect for him in keeping himself relevant by taking on that cocky persona in selling fights.

But, I totally understand why he isn't liked by many.

It's an unfortunate factor in sports but I think we just have to accept it. What we shouldn't accept is the "real fan" vs "newbie fan". That helps nobody.

floorpie

Honestly, regardless of whether people hate Conor's personality or not, I'm surprised that on an Irish forum, people can't commiserate with his loss IF ONLY because you all should be aware of the history of MMA, Judo, BJJ etc in Ireland. It's not long since our only MMA/BJJ schools were using children's gym mats and chit for training, using back alley garages, kids school gyms (lots still are)...I'm sure a lot of posters here were around during these formative years. You could go back into the archives of boards.ie and see the genesis of the sport in Ireland.

Compare this to the US where wrestlers (for example) start grappling in school at age 4, where their pursuit of wrestling is funded all the way through college, where it's a national sport, where every primary school has excellent facilities, where they can pursue it through to the olympics...it's like a night and day difference in the support that they get versus Irish trainers and trainees.

So I just can't understand Irish begrudgery over this, and there's been plenty (over on politics.ie there's a big thread on whether he should pay back his dole payments for example), because to think that such high level competitors have come from Ireland in such a short space of time is just mindblowing for me.

John_D80

floorpie wrote: »

Honestly, regardless of whether people hate Conor's personality or not, I'm surprised that on an Irish forum, people can't commiserate with his loss IF ONLY because you all should be aware of the history of MMA, Judo, BJJ etc in Ireland. It's not long since our only MMA/BJJ schools were using children's gym mats and chit for training, using back alley garages, kids school gyms (lots still are)...I'm sure a lot of posters here were around during these formative years. You could go back into the archives of boards.ie and see the genesis of the sport in Ireland.

Compare this to the US where wrestlers (for example) start grappling in school at age 4, where their pursuit of wrestling is funded all the way through college, where it's a national sport, where every primary school has excellent facilities, where they can pursue it through to the olympics...it's like a night and day difference in the support that they get versus Irish trainers and trainees.

So I just can't understand Irish begrudgery over this, and there's been plenty (over on politics.ie there's a big thread on whether he should pay back his dole payments for example), because to think that such high level competitors have come from Ireland in such a short space of time is just mindblowing for me.

Great post.

I honestly thought the bolded bit was a wind-up until I actually checked it for myself. No further proof needed that McGregor has become a victim of his own success.

Gamebred

Awh stop pay back his dole payments jesus chrsit almighty he has paid more in tax in the last 3 years than these people will earn in a lifetime.

floorpie

John_D80 wrote: »

Great post.

I honestly thought the bolded bit was a wind-up until I actually checked it for myself. No further proof needed that McGregor has become a victim of his own success.

It ain't no joke man. Even during our off-season the typical Irish person performs 10 sets of begrudgery a day backed up by the principles of progressive resistance and so on. I'm currently at my walking around weight for optimum jealousy and will be back to top form by summer.

Chris.

floorpie wrote: »

Honestly, regardless of whether people hate Conor's personality or not, I'm surprised that on an Irish forum, people can't commiserate with his loss IF ONLY because you all should be aware of the history of MMA, Judo, BJJ etc in Ireland. It's not long since our only MMA/BJJ schools were using children's gym mats and chit for training, using back alley garages, kids school gyms (lots still are)...I'm sure a lot of posters here were around during these formative years. You could go back into the archives of boards.ie and see the genesis of the sport in Ireland.

Compare this to the US where wrestlers (for example) start grappling in school at age 4, where their pursuit of wrestling is funded all the way through college, where it's a national sport, where every primary school has excellent facilities, where they can pursue it through to the olympics...it's like a night and day difference in the support that they get versus Irish trainers and trainees.

So I just can't understand Irish begrudgery over this, and there's been plenty (over on politics.ie there's a big thread on whether he should pay back his dole payments for example), because to think that such high level competitors have come from Ireland in such a short space of time is just mindblowing for me.

Had to check that thread on politics.ie after you mentioning it. The mind boggles as to what goes through some people's heads.

DrumSteve

DrumSteve wrote: »

Great film.

VERRRRY good... but Brick, NOT HIT BACK!

John_D80

floorpie wrote: »

It ain't no joke man. Even during our off-season the typical Irish person performs 10 sets of begrudgery a day backed up by the principles of progressive resistance and so on. I'm currently at my walking around weight for optimum jealousy and will be back to top form by summer.

Takes a lot of dedication to be such colossal begrudging prick. Come fight night, you must be an insufferably miserable bastárd.

finglashoop

Why are mc gregor fans so.upset with people delighted he lost?

They are entitled to their view.


I dont listen.to media.around a mc gregor fight. I actively ignore it. (I do catch some of it through twitter etc)

Smack talkers are always in danger as soon as they lose. He's a big boy im sure he can take it. I wonder why his fan boys are so butt hurt.

Possibly regretting the man bun & dickie bow combo.

Muahahaha

floorpie wrote: »

So I just can't understand Irish begrudgery over this, and there's been plenty (over on politics.ie there's a big thread on whether he should pay back his dole payments for example), because to think that such high level competitors have come from Ireland in such a short space of time is just mindblowing for me.

I wouldn't pay any notice of politics.ie. It used to be quite a well run site a few years back but nowadays it has been taken over by party hacks squabbling amongst each other and the better posters have migrated elsewhere. My guess is that the people calling for him to give his dole back are the same lot who would try to convince you that Irish people on the dole caused the entire economic crash, are lazy, never work a day in their life, etc, etc. All this despite the fact that during the boom we had the EUs lowest unemployment figures, proving that we are not lazy provided there are actually enough jobs out there for everyone. There simply isn't enough jobs which is why over 250,000 young Irish have emigrated since 2010. But facts like that won't stop your average Young Fine Gaeler posting bile on politics.ie about people unfortunate to lose their jobs.

In any case Mcgregor will have tax bills in the millions, he is a one man Revenue funding machine.

josephryan1989

Maddox Strong Trombone wrote: »

I actually haven't heard any begrudgery going CmcG's direction from Irish fans of the UFC.

I've seen a lot of bollox talk from just about every corner trying to lay blame on everyone and everything else but CmcG.

I think the stupidest, most retarded thread I've seen has been the one about CmcG's movement coach, but overwhelmingly CmcG has been supported by the Irish UFC fans.

Contrast that with the crap posted about Ronda Rousey when she lost (mostly by the same Irish fans) and what you have is even greater CmcG support.

I think you're wrong OP.

One thing I do think Irish people got cheesed off with, myself included and I'd know Conor pretty well, was when the trash talk went from banter and selling seats to personal insults and generally acting like a dick.. I think he forgot where the line in the sand was and people didn't like that.

All that aside he still has overwhelming support here in Ireland. I think we all wish him well and look forward to a strong comeback.

I quite like that he acts the cheeky b*llix actually. He's just being himself and he can back it up because behind all the lip he just trains and trains and trains and that's why he is the best in his weight. Fair play to him for having a go at a higher weight and bar that slip up when he tried that take down he might have won.
He's such a positive role model.
Try and you can succeed and if you lose just try harder.

TheAnalyst_

I'll support an Irish team as they are representing the country and are a collection of different individuals. McGregor is representing himself so I will judge him just like any other international sports person. He was talking the big money game from very early on when he was making peanuts which turned me against him.
I don't actually begrudge him the money he as actually made the past two fights. I say fair play, bull**** sells.

Swashbuckler

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I'll support an Irish team as they are representing the country and are a collection of different individuals. McGregor is representing himself so I will judge him just like any other international sports person. He was talking the big money game from very early on when he was making peanuts which turned me against him.
I don't actually begrudge him the money he as actually made the past two fights. I say fair play, bull**** sells.

But do you not get that because he talked the big money game when he was making peanuts it actually got him to this point? Where he's a multi millionaire? If had been the quiet, self depreciating typical irish man he would be probably still making peanuts.

Gamebred

Ill say this,


How is humble Joe Duffy getting on in the ufc? not results wise but promotional wise,he is getting little or no push because hes too quiet,holds a win over mma's biggest star and no casuals have a clue who he is.

xtal191

Ah to be fair they prob would've pushed Duffy like crazy if he had beaten Poirier in a convincing manner.

LaGlisse

Gamebred wrote: »

Ill say this,


How is humble Joe Duffy getting on in the ufc? not results wise but promotional wise,he is getting little or no push because hes too quiet,holds a win over mma's biggest star and no casuals have a clue who he is.

That last man to beat McGregor tag isnt much use to him now

to be honest we've no idea where he pays his tax - he earns most of his money in the US so he would pay tax on that income there first. (double tax treaty and all that).

if he's out of ireland for more than 6 months of the year he mightn't pay any tax here. (non resident)

as other posters have said he's such a polarising figure that you it's not so easy to conveniently label not liking him as begrudgery.

his style of propoganda took a turn for the worse in the last 6 months - if he toned that back he'd be more likable. he's already made his name so the need for that stuff is less.

LaGlisse

glasso wrote: »

to be honest we've no idea where he pays his tax - he earns most of his money in the US so he would pay tax on that income there first. (double tax treaty and all that).

if he's out of ireland for more than 6 months of the year he mightn't pay any tax here. (non resident)

as other posters have said he's such a polarising figure that you it's not so easy to conveniently label not liking him as begrudgery.

his style of propoganda took a turn for the worse in the last 6 months - if he toned that back he'd be more likable. he's already made his name so the need for that stuff is less.

He was gonna have to change it up eventually whether he won or lost the Diaz fight-it gets a bit old after a while

LaGlisse

LaGlisse wrote: »

He was gonna have to change it up eventually whether he won or lost the Diaz fight-it gets a bit old after a while

we will see! a recent defeat will have to "soften his cough" a bit as I heard one commentator say.

fruvai

josephryan1989 wrote: »

I think it was Yeats who compared the Irish to a sow who eats its farrow

It was Joyce

John_D80

josephryan1989 wrote: »

I think it was Yeats who compared the Irish to a sow who eats its farrow.........

fruvai wrote: »

It was Joyce

Gentlemen, can we keep the high brow stuff and literature references to a minimum please?

Don't you know this sport is only for unwashed ruffians, or havent you read any of the broadsheets in the last few days?

Looper007

With his trash talking and cocky attitude, many out there were waiting for the downfall of Conor, even some of his fellow country men and women. They got it now and for sure they aren't going to let him or his fans forget it. I'm sure he will always have a strong support from the Irish crowd, I think though it won't be the number 1 ticket in town it once was as I feel this loss has lost him some of that aura and commercial appeal he had. He has to go back on a winning streak, he probably should just stick to his division for now and get some of that swag back. The defeat will humble him behind the scenes but he won't show it in front of the cameras. The one thing is he can't afford to lose any more fights for a while now, he needs to go on another winning streak cause another defeat could really set him back.

do you think a fight in the Aviva or Croke park (if UFC ever bought a event here) would seriously be effected by this defeat? Will Conor still have the pull he once had to sell it out, I'm sure some UFC irish fans will turn up without liking Conor but will they be able to fill a big stadium like them. That be the real question

Lisacatlover

Nothing to do with being Irish. Half of the USA wanted Manny Pacquaoi to lay out Mayweather, and a little too of other people that fought him. Americans regularly wanted Muhammed Ali to lose, and creamed themselves when Frasier beat him. Lots of French football fans didn't like Eric Cantona. Plenty of Englishmen were delighted to see Audrey Harrison lose.

There's people the world over for whom arrogance/extreme confidence/whatever, just rubs them up the wrong way. When that whatever is taken to the extreme of talking thrash about your opponents, making predictions about how easily you're going to beat them because of how much better you are than them, and saying you back up everything you say, then failing to back it up, then people are going to gloat right back.

The humble opponent beating the loud mouthed cocky guy has been a thing in Hollywood since they first started making sports movies.

It's a people thing, not an Irish thing. And to be honest I don't know why people get so upset and despairing on behalf of the losing opponent because of it. They always know what they're doing and fully expect and accept the backlash will be there when they can't back it up some time, comes with the territory. It's all in the game. I think I'd be a little embarrassed if other people were getting all uppity on my behalf when people started taking digs when the opportunity arises, when I'd been throwing them the whole time too.

yeah I get all that but even this boring yoke is at it!!

hasn't a clue and decides waiting for a loss is now the best time to write about Mr McGregor!!! something tells me she's had pen at the ready ever since she realised eating 3 raisins and having the scutters does not an interesting sports person make!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/sonia-o-sullivan-is-mma-really-sport-if-it-enters-the-death-zone-1.2566557

JustShon

rusty cole wrote: »

yeah I get all that but even this boring yoke is at it!!

hasn't a clue and decides waiting for a loss is now the best time to write about Mr McGregor!!! something tells me she's had pen at the ready ever since she realised eating 3 raisins and having the scutters does not an interesting sports person make!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/sonia-o-sullivan-is-mma-really-sport-if-it-enters-the-death-zone-1.2566557

Apparently they kill each other in MMA now, who knew?

Looking forward to them introducing weapons and armour so we can go back to Roman gladiator fights.

Word of warning: Don't read the fcuking comments.

arybvtcw0eolkf

rusty cole wrote: »

yeah I get all that but even this boring yoke is at it!!

hasn't a clue and decides waiting for a loss is now the best time to write about Mr McGregor!!! something tells me she's had pen at the ready ever since she realised eating 3 raisins and having the scutters does not an interesting sports person make!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/sonia-o-sullivan-is-mma-really-sport-if-it-enters-the-death-zone-1.2566557

"The death zone" ~ Jebus, mountain climbing is a sport and a full 25% of people who'll try climb Everest this year will die. A lot of the time their bodies shall never be recovered, and she's worried about superficial cuts & a choke in MMA lol.

that's what annoys me, I guarantee you conor mcgregor would not hit the keyboard where she to lose a big race, unpalatable to many yes, but we can clearly see his patriotic side in abundance.

did anybody explain that holly chose to get choked out??

also by her own stupid admission, she's watched a sum total of 8 seconds of MMA!! now she has a printworthy opinion on it!!

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rusty cole wrote: »

did anybody explain that holly chose to get choked out??

That's women for ya, often times they've more balls than men

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Maddox Strong Trombone wrote: »

That's women for ya, often times they've more balls than men

funny joke, wasn't my point but yes I get ya, and it does raise a great point, fair play to her, what a brave soul. that's how much it meant to her that she was willing to try hold out for the bell!!

so tell me how that rousey cow is more deserving of a title shot!!

Dana white the snake!