Luas capacity

Idbatterim

with luas being over capacity in the mornings, at peak hours, could they not run some trams that have sections for standing only, with no seating? Worst case scenario you stand between dundrum and stephens green, 15 mins...

JustShon

They can barely run the Luas at all at the moment...

trellheim

Worst case scenario you stand between dundrum and stephens green, 15 mins...

How is that "Worst Case" ? are you being serious here.

Alkers

They're extending the platforms to accommodate 50m trams which are coming on-line with LUAS Crosscity. 7 50m trams being ordered as part of crosscity works.

monument

Simona1986 wrote: »

They're extending the platforms to accommodate 50m trams which are coming on-line with LUAS Crosscity. 7 50m trams being ordered as part of crosscity works.

A lot of things could go wrong with their demand predictions (ie more demand than expected in the north city centre and around Cabra etc) and with mixed running in the city centre (trams getting caught in traffic or at major junctions).

dublindiehard

Severe overcrowding on green line caused by huge amount of bunching recently which is probably not unrelated to the strike. Trams are taking much longer to turn around at terminus

foggy_lad

dublindiehard wrote: »

Severe overcrowding on green line caused by huge amount of bunching recently which is probably not unrelated to the strike. Trams are taking much longer to turn around at terminus

Seen a tram stopped at Abbey St stop yesterday at 10pm for 6 minutes for no reason then proceeded slowly to the junction of O'Connell st where it had to stop again because the lights had just gone against it, I was sure the driver was on a go slow!
They seem to be bunching up at Busáras also with a delay of a few minutes for most trams there during the day

dublindiehard

There has been a tearse message on all real time displays on green line saying

Passengers are advised to expect delays to some services

Been there for a few days now

cgcsb

probably part of a work to rule by unions

LuckyLloyd

monument wrote: »

A lot of things could go wrong with their demand predictions (ie more demand than expected in the north city centre and around Cabra etc) and with mixed running in the city centre (trams getting caught in traffic or at major junctions).

It's been a relatively easy service to run to date. The Cross City line will introduce operational complexity for the first time.

devnull

It's clearly being done on purpose, a few nights ago there were two trams docked in Stephens Green, with another two between Harcourt and Stephens Green heading north.

Looking at the Real time information, there were clusters of trams everywhere with then large gaps, then another cluster.

Stephens Green for example was
Sandyford DUE
Brides Glen DUE
Sandyford 1
Brides Glen 2
Sandyford 17

Got to Harcourt on one of those trams and saw something like

Sandyford 5
Brides Glen 6
Sandyford 7
Brides Glen 19

schemingbohemia

They've also for some reason cancelled the last Luas from the point the last few nights, so last Luas is 0015 rather than 0030, another example of work to rule?

Jamie2k9

All part of WTR, suspect some could be nearing border line illegal.

dublindiehard

00.30 from the point cancelled again tonight

Disruption on red line again right now due to work to rule.

Just seen five trams back to back! Unreal!

ED E

They really are asking for Transdev to give them a bollocking.


In regards to the OPs original point, capacity at peak hours has always been junk and a fully standing tram was something I'd wondered about before. I'm not sure that the areas under the seats in some carriages don't hold equipement/motors though so it may be impossible to make all that space into standing. It would be nice to have a few "high capacity" trams do Balally to Stephens Green and back a few times between 7.30 and 9AM and again between 5 and 6.30PM. Ease the sardine syndrome.

Bray Head

Don't worry folks.

The Gort to Tuam motorway is now less than two years away from completion (cost €550m).

Markcheese

If the industrial dispute lingers, between work to rules and strikes and transdev either lose their contract to run luas or give it up ,what happens to staff ? Do they have to be rehired by who ever the next operating company may be ? Or

LeinsterDub

Simona1986 wrote: »

They're extending the platforms to accommodate 50m trams which are coming on-line with LUAS Crosscity. 7 50m trams being ordered as part of crosscity works.

Second platform extension in under 15 years. We know how to think short term with infrastructure alright!

Markcheese

LeinsterDub wrote:

Second platform extension in under 15 years. We know how to think short term with infrastructure alright!

Not really a huge deal with luas though is it ...

trellheim

Longer trams will severely reduce general traffic management flexibility and are the wrong answer. We are sleepwalking into a huge issue


the longer trams cannot be held at O Connell bridge ( or Marlboro st bridge - the new one ) as they will overhang the bridge ( they are longer than the bridge ) and thus the arse of the tram will block the road junction behind it.

Therefore it must be given free rein to cross both quays and the bridge at the same time more or less ( this can happen on both bridges simultaneously ) .

Match that up with the current mess at Abbey st while waiting for a Red Line LUAS to get a slot across and you have a mess. Now add in a huge amount of buses trying to get through.

Then you just have silly suggestions like removing private cars which is not actually fixing the issue

More trams is the answer not longer ones

Jamie2k9

trellheim wrote: »

Longer trams will severely reduce general traffic management flexibility and are the wrong answer. We are sleepwalking into a huge issue


the longer trams cannot be held at O Connell bridge ( or Marlboro st bridge - the new one ) as they will overhang the bridge ( they are longer than the bridge ) and thus the arse of the tram will block the road junction behind it.

Therefore it must be given free rein to cross both quays and the bridge at the same time more or less ( this can happen on both bridges simultaneously ) .

Match that up with the current mess at Abbey st while waiting for a Red Line LUAS to get a slot across and you have a mess. Now add in a huge amount of buses trying to get through.

Then you just have silly suggestions like removing private cars which is not actually fixing the issue

More trams is the answer not longer ones

And why would you need to hold them on the Bridge? Longer trams can operate perfectly normally.

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

And why would you need to hold them on the Bridge? Longer trams can operate perfectly normally.

Exactly - the lights will be synchronised to allow for that.


Adding more trams isn't feasible as frequency would just be impossible to manage through the city centre.

Bazzy

Bray Head wrote: »

Don't worry folks.

The Gort to Tuam motorway is now less than two years away from completion (cost €550m).

That motorway will benefit me greatly.

I'm from Dublin and moved west to get away from this sort of attitude

God love you squashed on your tram.

There's a whole world outside of Dublin you should go see it sometime

L1011

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Second platform extension in under 15 years. We know how to think short term with infrastructure alright!

When was the first one?

Think you're confusing the 3000s being lengthened

LeinsterDub

L1011 wrote: »

When was the first one?

Think you're confusing the 3000s being lengthened

Maybe that was it . They extended the trams on the Red line

hytrogen

1913 here we go again..

trellheim

And why would you need to hold them on the Bridge? Longer trams can operate perfectly normally.

There are any number of reasons why you might need to wait on the bridge look at all the cars and buses that do so all day long

my point is that the longer tram removes the flexibility . you now need to plan a path across the quay, the bridge and another quay - whereas you may let the tram onto the bridge then wait for a green if it could fit on it.

Jamie2k9

trellheim wrote: »

There are any number of reasons why you might need to wait on the bridge look at all the cars and buses that do so all day long

my point is that the longer tram removes the flexibility . you now need to plan a path across the quay, the bridge and another quay - whereas you may let the tram onto the bridge then wait for a green if it could fit on it.

They will be able to hold them on O'Connell street and Westmorland street without obstructing either stops on both streets, that's 4 trams together. It is more than adequate and remember there is only 10 extended trams and while it may increase over time there are lots of options.

trellheim

They will be able to hold them on O'Connell street and Westmorland street without obstructing either stops on both streets, that's 4 trams together. It is more than adequate and remember there is only 10 extended trams and while it may increase over time there are lots of options.

That is not the point. The issue is that traffic must now be stopped on both north and south quays fully to allow a tram to pass; this is massively inflexible in terms of transport planning, and should never have been let develop. The tram only takes a minority of passengers.

Those on bus - the majority - now have to wait - because of a silly decision.

Jamie2k9

trellheim wrote: »

They will be able to hold them on O'Connell street and Westmorland street without obstructing either stops on both streets, that's 4 trams together. It is more than adequate and remember there is only 10 extended trams and while it may increase over time there are lots of options.

That is not the point. The issue is that traffic must now be stopped on both north and south quays fully to allow a tram to pass; this is massively inflexible in terms of transport planning, and should never have been let develop. The tram only takes a minority of passengers.

Those on bus - the majority - now have to wait - because of a silly decision.

Could be wrong but as things stand now it happens now already to stop a build up of traffic on O"Connell Bridge.

This is such a non issue. When Luas is moving accross the river traffic will also and when its not both quays will move

LXFlyer

trellheim wrote: »

That is not the point. The issue is that traffic must now be stopped on both north and south quays fully to allow a tram to pass; this is massively inflexible in terms of transport planning, and should never have been let develop. The tram only takes a minority of passengers.

Those on bus - the majority - now have to wait - because of a silly decision.

I really do think you're barking up the wrong tree on this.

I would expect that this will be no different to trams on Abbey Street when they get to O'Connell Street.

The trams will have to wait on Westmoreland Street while the traffic lights go through a fixed cycle of lights that will allow the trams then proceed directly to O'Connell Street.

In other words the trams will not be delaying buses - they're the ones that will have to wait.

As it is when traffic on Westmoreland Street gets a green light, they also have a green light onto O'Connell Street so I really don't see your issue - the only time traffic backs up is when there is congestion on O'Connell Street.

Bear in mind that there's going to be far less general traffic in that area under the current DCC/NTA plans for the city centre.

Adding extra trams would mean higher frequency and would end up delaying other traffic more unnecessarily. It's just simply not practical. Longer trams are the way to go.