(Not hypothetical anymore) Leicester win the league!

adox

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

100% true whether people want to admit it or not.

Someone brought up Ranieri visiting his mother as evidence of what a great fella he is whereas myself (and I suspect 99% of the worlds population) wouldn't consider visiting you mother to be that big a deal.

You seem to be purposely leaving out the context.

Dirty Dingus McGee

adox wrote: »

You seem to be purposely leaving out the context.

I understand the context I just don't see the big deal with him going about his life as normal.

It's basic good management to continue as normal until it's done and dusted not some ingenious plan in my opinion.

I'd imagine most managers would try and do the same.

I'm pretty sure he won't be oblivious to what going on tomorrow night anyway so whats the difference between him staying at home to watch it and going to Italy.

thebaz

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I understand the context I just don't see the big deal with him going about his life as normal.

Do you not see the big deal in Leicester winning the league over the likes of Manchester City, Chelsea, Arsenal, United ??

Or is it just a normal everyday thing to you - Sport can be wonderful - this is a wonderful story - pity you can't just enjoy it.

~Rebel~

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I understand the context I just don't see the big deal with him going about his life as normal.

It's basic good management to continue as normal until it's done and dusted not some ingenious plan in my opinion.

I'd imagine most managers would try and do the same.

I'm pretty sure he won't be oblivious to what going on tomorrow night anyway so whats the difference between him staying at home to watch it and going to Italy.

Begrudgeriest post i've ever seen.

mansize

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Possiblility of doping.
Playoffs.
Only winning it because others are poor.
Ranieri visiting his mother.



Love it.

100% true whether people want to admit it or not.

Someone brought up Ranieri visiting his mother as evidence of what a great fella he is whereas myself (and I suspect 99% of the worlds population) wouldn't consider visiting you mother to be that big a deal.

That's cos most boardsies still live with their mothers!

Having a microwave in your room and calling it a. Maisonette doesn't count!

galwaylad14

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I understand the context I just don't see the big deal with him going about his life as normal.

It's basic good management to continue as normal until it's done and dusted not some ingenious plan in my opinion.

I'd imagine most managers would try and do the same.

I'm pretty sure he won't be oblivious to what going on tomorrow night anyway so whats the difference between him staying at home to watch it and going to Italy.

We get it. You're too cool to buy into the fairytale of the greatest shock in the history of sport.

Love Ranieri, love Leicester, worthy champions

Dirty Dingus McGee

mansize wrote: »

That's cos most boardsies still live with their mothers!

Having a microwave in your room and calling it a. Maisonette doesn't count!

I don't even have a microwave in my own room.That would represent real personal growth for me but I just don't think I;d be able to cope with it.

marbless

In the Irish Times today Ken Early's article is called "Leicester's Statistics just do not add up".

Near the end he mentions that Leicester's squad "includes some of the thinnest and most injury-resistant men in the league".

Wonder what he means by that?

marbless

marbless wrote: »

In the Irish Times today Ken Early's article is called "Leicester's Statistics just do not add up".

Near the end he mentions that Leicester's squad "includes some of the thinnest and most injury-resistant men in the league".

Wonder what he means by that?

I haven't read the article but regarding the stats, is he alluding to the fact that they have the 3rd worst possession stats in the league?

leakyboots

sabat wrote: »

I remember reading before that Ranieri's mother's favourite player was Damien Duff and whenever he left him out she was on the phone complaining.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/duffs-freak-injury-ko-26238168.html

"Damien is Damien and we will miss him," acknowledged Claudio Ranieri after yesterday's 1-0 victory. "When I don't put him in the squad, my 84 year-old mother rings me and asks, 'Why? Why?'"

Mrs Renata Ranieri knows her football and her son's side will have to cope without the Irish international for at least three weeks after he fell awkwardly shooting at goal in the fifth minute.

leakyboots

leakyboots wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/duffs-freak-injury-ko-26238168.html

"Damien is Damien and we will miss him," acknowledged Claudio Ranieri after yesterday's 1-0 victory. "When I don't put him in the squad, my 84 year-old mother rings me and asks, 'Why? Why?'"

Mrs Renata Ranieri knows her football and her son's side will have to cope without the Irish international for at least three weeks after he fell awkwardly shooting at goal in the fifth minute.

Found another few quotes

http://www.balls.ie/football/claudio-ranieri-story-that-shows-just-how-great-damien-duff-was-at-his-peak/320027

"My only technical adviser is my mother. When I told her that Damien had injured his shoulder again, she said 'Oh no! Who should replace him?' I will call her before the game to ask.

Damien is Damien. When I don't put him in the squad my mother, who's 84, asks 'why isn't Damien playing?' She kills me about it and that's true."

"My mother says he is like Nedved."

Richard Hillman

marbless wrote: »

In the Irish Times today Ken Early's article is called "Leicester's Statistics just do not add up".

Near the end he mentions that Leicester's squad "includes some of the thinnest and most injury-resistant men in the league".

Wonder what he means by that?

Sorry but that is a very disengenious post

The context of the quote

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-leicester-city-s-statistics-just-do-not-add-up-1.2631612
You wonder how Thomas Tuchel, the brilliant ascetic who coaches Borussia Dortmund, feels when he reads about Ranieri’s pizza reward scheme. Tuchel banned pizza from his players’ diets at the start of the season, in the belief that eating refined carbs was bad for their fitness. Is Tuchel now doubting everything he thought he knew as Leicester’s pizza-fuelled squad, which includes some of the thinnest and most injury-resistant men in the league, marches on to glory?

marbless

Four weeks ago Ken Early wrote these lines in the Irish Times:

Over the weekend, the Sunday Times reported that a doctor who prescribed performance-enhancing drugs for athletes claimed to have worked with footballers from clubs including Leicester City.

On Sunday afternoon, Leicester beat Southampton to go seven points clear at the top of the Premier League. On the same day last year, Leicester were seven points adrift of safety at the bottom of the table. In that calendar year, Leicester have taken 91 league points – 18 more than the next best teams, Arsenal and Tottenham.

In most other sports, such an improvement would lead to dark mutterings and sceptical questions, if not open derision. In the post-Armstrong world, no evidence is even necessary – the improvement alone is enough to trigger the rumours.


http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-soccer-just-doesn-t-want-to-know-about-doping-1.2597155

Richard Hillman

What Leicester have been doing has been done consistently over the last few years. Where teams are knocking off others that were fannying about with the ball too much and holding onto the ball for the sake of it.

Jupp Heynkes Bayern destroyed Barcelona 7-0 on Agg with 40% possession
Real Madrid beat Guardiola's Bayern 5-0 on agg with 37% possession
Holland beat Spain 5-1 with 37% possession.
The English teams have been struggling in the Champions League over the last couple of years with big possession stats but are unable to deal with teams that attack them directly. Watch any team in the CL where an English team struggles and you will see they are playing football like Leicester.

These teams playing Guardiolaball have been found out. The Guardiolaball teams spread out their defence to be able to ping the ball across the back 4 ad-nauseum. When they lose the ball, the other team attack them directly leaving the 2 CBs exposed. There is no holding up the play to allow the midfield to get back either, which kills the move.

A big problem with English football over the last few years is that has become too slow. Even on a counter attack, players are more interested in keeping possession as opposed to making a pass that may lose the ball. That allows the midfield to get back to defend the back 4.

Leicester are the opposite to that. When they counter attack, they do not allow the move to slow down or go sideways. It's direct, fast and they do not allow the oppositions midfield get back. They dont give a **** about losing the ball because creating chances is more important than holding onto the ball.

Wrongway1985

Richard Hillman wrote: »

What Leicester have been doing has been done consistently over the last few years. Where teams are knocking off others that were fannying about with the ball too much and holding onto the ball for the sake of it.

Jupp Heynkes Bayern destroyed Barcelona 7-0 on Agg with 40% possession
Real Madrid beat Guardiola's Bayern 5-0 on agg with 37% possession
Holland beat Spain 5-1 with 37% possession.
The English teams have been struggling in the Champions League over the last couple of years with big possession stats but are unable to deal with teams that attack them directly. Watch any team in the CL where an English team struggles and you will see they are playing football like Leicester.

These teams playing Guardiolaball have been found out. The Guardiolaball teams spread out their defence to be able to ping the ball across the back 4 ad-nauseum. When they lose the ball, the other team attack them directly leaving the 2 CBs exposed. There is no holding up the play to allow the midfield to get back either, which kills the move.

A big problem with English football over the last few years is that has become too slow. Even on a counter attack, players are more interested in keeping possession as opposed to making a pass that may lose the ball. That allows the midfield to get back to defend the back 4.

Leicester are the opposite to that. When they counter attack, they do not allow the move to slow down or go sideways. It's direct, fast and they do not allow the oppositions midfield get back. They dont give a **** about losing the ball because creating chances is more important than holding onto the ball.

Hammerhead to nail.

I remember hearing a pundit in media saying some players appear to be obsessed with the stat of pass success rate think they were referring to Arsenal in particular, leads to less creativeness in order to lead to a goal to look deadly on the stats ffs

K-9

marbless wrote: »

In the Irish Times today Ken Early's article is called "Leicester's Statistics just do not add up".

Near the end he mentions that Leicester's squad "includes some of the thinnest and most injury-resistant men in the league".

Wonder what he means by that?

Edgy.

Sometimes teams get lucky on injuries, Chelsea last year I think didn't have many. I'm struggling to think of a PL winning team that did it with loads of injuries, usually it's the reasons don't win it.

Logical fallacy methinks.

MonkieSocks

I agree Hilmann.

Remember when English Football Teams dominanted European Football in the 70s and 80. European Cup, Cup Winners Cup and the Fairs Cup.

Playing direct football none, of this Possession stuff.

The Germans played this way in the last World Cup and destroyed everything in front of them.

batistuta9

RoboKlopp wrote: »

I haven't read the article but regarding the stats, is he alluding to the fact that they have the 3rd worst possession stats in the league?

K-9 wrote: »

Edgy.

Sometimes teams get lucky on injuries, Chelsea last year I think didn't have many. I'm struggling to think of a PL winning team that did it with loads of injuries, usually it's the reasons don't win it.

Logical fallacy methinks.

no he mentioned possession, shots on goal - 8th best. even attacking quickly

One statistical measurement in which Leicester do stand out is that is that when they attack, they move the ball forward faster than any other team in the league. But this is not an infallible sign of a formidable side. Analysis by Will Gürpinar-Morgan for statsbomb.com showed only two teams over the last four Premier League seasons who had a higher average pace of attack than Leicester 2015/’16. They were the Burnley team of 2014/’15 (relegated) and the Aston Villa team of 2013/’14 (15th, five points off relegation).

so getting forward quickly isn't a panacea to cracking the PL either

but left out they've a very high conversion rate & one that i thought he'd mention, they've started the same 11 pretty much all season, very few changes to it week to week, under 30 i think, chelsea last season had 86 i think & that was the lowest for PL winners.

images from a guy who does arsenal stats, 7amkickoff





look at conversion rate in the 18 yard box & who they're equal to


and think it was this thread net spend argued about, so here's a recent one, via swissramble

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

I remember hearing a pundit in media saying some players appear to be obsessed with the stat of pass success rate think they were referring to Arsenal in particular, leads to less creativeness in order to lead to a goal to look deadly on the stats ffs

would you be thinking on giles grimandi & mixing it up a little?
he was talking about stats in scouting & the future of the traditional scout, according to him there's younger players now - obviously more aware on the stats - only making tackles when they're sure they'll win the ball, etc.
should mention that he's a scout for arsenal in france, maybe scared of being sacked :pac:

Harry Palmr

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

A Dub in Glasgo

Hope away as Leicester will be crowned champions anyway

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

:rolleyes:

K-9

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

That's just old age Harry.

Richard Hillman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

I bet you wanted Daniel LaRusso to lose to the Cobra Kai too. You were probably in the Cinema screaming "Sweep The Leg"

K-9

So really Vardy could well be having the season of his career and Mahrez is quite good at football. Not as simple as that obviously, they've been rock solid at the back since Christmas too, but that's the formula.

Luck with injuries played a part but it would make sense they haven't used many players, no CL or any cup runs of note.

Harry Palmr

K-9 wrote: »

That's just old age Harry.

True, plus I'm a divil for enjoying an upset - now the upset is Spurs winning the league rather than Leicester City. Obviously the rage of Arsenal supporters will be an added bonus whereas the only people slightly annoyed with the Walkers Stadium inmates success would be Rams and Forest supporters thanks to the mid-east "mild derby tension triangle"

Dirty Dingus McGee

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

Disgraceful comment.

How dare you for not buying in to the greatest feel good story of all time.

You should be ashamed of yourself from having an opinion that differs from the majority.

GLaDOS

I hope Leicester win to annoy all the killjoys

keith16

Harry Palmr wrote: »

True, plus I'm a divil for enjoying an upset - now the upset is Spurs winning the league rather than Leicester City.

You can't enjoy upsets that much if you get sick of them that easily.

Leicester winning the premier league not an upset. I'll have whatever you are smoking.

Dirty Dingus McGee

keith16 wrote: »

You can't enjoy upsets that much if you get sick of them that easily.

Leicester winning the premier league not an upset. I'll have whatever you are smoking.

It is right now.

If they don't win it it would be one of the greatest collapses in the history of sport probably worse than Bayer Leverkusens collapse in 2002.

Corholio

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Disgraceful comment.

How dare you for not buying in to the greatest feel good story of all time.

You should be ashamed of yourself from having an opinion that differs from the majority.

How dare you.

How dare you have an opinion on having an opinion that differs from the rest of the opinions of having an opinion.

But really, you don't have to quite publicise that you have a different opinion in some sort of 'oppressed' way.

Harry Palmr

Gosh it's like people actually care!

/looks for Leicester City thread

Sanity_Saviour

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

do you also hate sunny days because everyone else is happy when it's sunny?

Seve OB

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

I wouldn't be surprised if all the bookies are hoping Leicester will win because when you think about it.....
yes, lots to pay out if they do at some massive odds,
but
probably a hell of a lot more bets placed on spurs, lower odds obviously, but i'd be surprised if there wasn't at least 50 times more bets put on spurs.

obviously i'm only speculating, but would be interesting to see the stats

Fr Tod Umptious

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm starting to hope Spurs win the title cos the Leicester love in is getting nauseous (plus all those people who thought they were going get a bit rich will be beside themselves)

On the people that are getting rich.

Its great to see folks who put £10 or £20 on their team at the start of each season get such a wind fall, it will more than make up for all the previous £10 or £20 losses.

One guy cashed in his £20 bet a few months ago for £29,000 and he still had another £20 on them to finish top 3.

Good for him.

The Talking Bread

To be fair, Spurs winning the league is a remarkable achievment in itself! They probably thrived this season on not getting the media attention they would have normally attracted in such a title challenging season due to Leicester's story.

Either team would be superb and deserved winners.

mickmackey1

An hour from history!

Edit... oops

The Talking Bread

Its fair to say Leicester will beat this Chelsea team regardless!

fyfe79

If this is how Chelsea play when they want to stop someone winning the title, I doubt Leicester will have much trouble getting the 3 points from them on the last day (assuming they even need them of course, with Everton to be played beforehand).

~Rebel~

Chelsea really not playing their part in the story here!

Unearthly

Suddenly if Leicester don't beat Everton...

Mr.Nice Guy

If Leicester are to do it I'd rather they do it in front of their own fans. It will be much more emotional.

The Talking Bread

Unearthly wrote: »

Suddenly if Leicester don't beat Everton...

....they will have to beat this pretty awful Chelsea team! And this is Chelsea against rivals! Imagine them on the last day of the season not giving a flying fk!!

Unearthly

The Talking Bread wrote: »

....they will have to beat this pretty awful Chelsea team! And this is Chelsea against rivals! Imagine them on the last day of the season not giving a flying fk!!

I'd still not fancy not having to go to the bridge to avoid defeat. The nerves alone could kill them

Seve OB

The Talking Bread wrote: »

....they will have to beat this pretty awful Chelsea team! And this is Chelsea against rivals! Imagine them on the last day of the season not giving a flying fk!!

I have to say i dont buy into all this rivalry nonsense.

Its the fans who are rivals. The clubs are rivals. The history.

Them boys out there on the pitch are only blow ins, there to play football and collect a cheque.

thebaz

game on - bums getting squeaky

GLaDOS

Seve OB wrote: »

I have to say i dont buy into all this rivalry nonsense.

Its the fans who are rivals. The clubs are rivals. The history.

Them boys out there on the pitch are only blow ins, there to play football and collect a cheque.

Its a pretty heated game for a bunch of blown ins playing each other

Seve OB

Seve OB wrote: »

I have to say i dont buy into all this rivalry nonsense.

Its the fans who are rivals. The clubs are rivals. The history.

Them boys out there on the pitch are only blow ins, there to play football and collect a cheque.

I don't think any pro player would care about the opponents need for points. They will play to the max of their ability...albeit that may be limited by tiredness or they may have subconsciously checked out on the season. As you say, they will play cos it's a job. They may fight harder against certain teams, like in derbies, but they won't roll over cos it would be nice for the narrative.

fyfe79

Seve OB wrote: »

I have to say i dont buy into all this rivalry nonsense.

Its the fans who are rivals. The clubs are rivals. The history.

Them boys out there on the pitch are only blow ins, there to play football and collect a cheque.

Surely all players are paid directly into their bank a/c's?

K-9

Unearthly wrote: »

Suddenly if Leicester don't beat Everton...

Yeah, Everton a big part to play in the Leicester and relegation stories. Not that big though, used to be a time that was a tough fxture. They've the worst home form next to Villa.

K-9

Seve OB wrote: »

I have to say i dont buy into all this rivalry nonsense.

Its the fans who are rivals. The clubs are rivals. The history.

Them boys out there on the pitch are only blow ins, there to play football and collect a cheque.

It shouldn't but I think it still plays a part, Liverpool United or Everton games can still get feisty, other derbys too. The hype and build up does seem to translate onto the pitch.