UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

slicus ricus

He's not afraid of fighting anyone FFS. If he was, why would he be challenging the guy who just beat him at the same weight class (more favourable to Diaz). He's just going for the big money fight and to try to avenge a loss. That is all there is to it!

Mr. Manager

Gamebred wrote: »

In your opinion of course,In my opinion he would light frankie on fire and leave him unconcious,RDA is twice the fighter Edgar is,a hard hitter and better grappler,of course thats just my guess on how it'd go but anyone saying hes afraid of a wrestler is hilarious.

The guy who has been in some serious wars, eaten a shít ton of punches, even an upkick from Henderson that would have knocked out a baby elephant, never been knocked out.. that's the guy who's going to get knocked out?

I'm not saying Conor is afraid of anyone if anybody here thinks that.

Conor would most likely win against Frankie but I think that it's probably his worst match-up and have been saying that for a very long time.

Gamebred

Mr. Manager wrote: »

The guy who has been in some serious wars, eaten a shít ton of punches, even an upkick from Henderson that would have knocked out a baby elephant, never been knocked out.. that's the guy who's going to get knocked out?

I'm not saying Conor is afraid of anyone if anybody here thinks that.

Conor would most likely win against Frankie but I think that it's probably his worst match-up and have been saying that for a very long time.

Same way Aldo had never been ko'd right?


Edgar has very good boxing but Conor at 145 is just levels about anyone imo,Frankie has been on queer street before hes not that elusive.

finglashoop

Gamebred wrote: »

McGregor afraid of frankie edgar yet went up to fight RDA then fought Diaz,you couldnt make it up usually fight week we see this kinda of stuff posted ROFL.

Jesus you're hard on for mcgregor knows no bounds.

Edgar is next in line. Yet mc gregor would rather go up two weight classes and fight someone who easily dispatched him already.

Afraid is the wrong word. Smart is better. Smart enough to know edgar can do what mendes done in round 1 but not gas and do it for five
Smart enough to know his cardio is unproven unlike frankie

Mcgregor is going to make a lot of money regsrdless who he fights.

Tazzimus

finglashoop wrote: »

Jesus you're hard on for mcgregor knows no bounds.

Edgar is next in line. Yet mc gregor would rather go up two weight classes and fight someone who easily dispatched him already.

Afraid is the wrong word. Smart is better. Smart enough to know edgar can do what mendes done in round 1 but not gas and do it for five
Smart enough to know his cardio is unproven unlike frankie

Mcgregor is going to make a lot of money regsrdless who he fights.

Or maybe he doesn't fancy the cut this time. We've all seen how he looks at those weigh ins, a heroin addict looks healthier.
No doubt it's a brutal cut for him.

I think it should be Frankie next as well btw.

ASOT

This thread is funny

GiftofGab

Fight doesn't make sense from a allowing this fight to happen at 170 lbs.

Swashbuckler

ASOT wrote: »

This thread is funny

Best part is this could all fit into the McGregor thread. No idea why this has a thread of its own.

Mr. Manager

Gamebred wrote: »

Same way Aldo had never been ko'd right?


Edgar has very good boxing but Conor at 145 is just levels about anyone imo,Frankie has been on queer street before hes not that elusive.

Aldo had one loss on his record at the time, Frankie had way more. They're not comparable.

I actually didn't' mention the point of Aldo as I didn't think it was necessary.

Gamebred

Frankie pulls pathetic numbers Ive posted them before hes a free tv fighter nobody cares about him why should he bother his arse cutting weight for a smaller pay cheque?


You seem to be ignorant to the fact hes a prize fighter in a sports entertainment company,Im sure he gives a rats ass about what someone on an interforum thinks of him not fighting Edgar,remember legacy wont pay his bills for the next 40 years,big fights will.

xtal191

UFC 200 will do huge numbers no matter who his opponent is.

Propane Nightmare

Gamebred wrote: »

Frankie pulls pathetic numbers Ive posted them before hes a free tv fighter nobody cares about him why should he bother his arse cutting weight for a smaller pay cheque?


You seem to be ignorant to the fact hes a prize fighter in a sports entertainment company,Im sure he gives a rats ass about what someone on an interforum thinks of him not fighting Edgar,remember legacy wont pay his bills for the next 40 years,big fights will.

You should really use punctuation. Reading your drivel posts is so hard at times.

ted1

finglashoop wrote: »

GSP would absolutely smash mcgregor.

All you mcgregor fans are mad. Diaz let mcgregor punch himself out. Hit him with one good punch and wobbled mcgregor.

Mc gregor doesn't have the chin for 170. Whether he was tired or not. If he cant take a punch from a heavier weighted fighter (nate is a 155er) and cant ko him hes in trouble. He may say he can go all day but he clearly cant.

Frankie can and has. Mc gregor is afraid of frankie wrestling the sh1t out of him.

Aldo and Frankie want Mc Gregor because he comes with a big pay day.

Diaz beat him because he wasn't prepared , he hadn't being hit by a big lad before and that's probably his camps fault , he must feel that he can train hard and get used to getting hit hard and be more effective with his gloves and feet. Show boating spinning kicks don't work on bigger guys.

Gamebred

Propane Nightmare wrote: »

You should really use punctuation. Reading your drivel posts is so hard at times.

Good post really interesting point you make.

2Mad2BeMad

Propane Nightmare wrote: »

You should really use punctuation. Reading your drivel posts is so hard at times.

Seen as his punctuation is *drivel*, is it really that hard to read? For someone like you who is so intelligent, clearly by pointing out a users punctuation on an internet forum.

If you find his posts hard to read
I'd have to question where you learned to read.

Get off your high horse.

finglashoop

Insegno wrote: »

You say this as if it's fact, is there no possibility in your head that he just prefers the Diaz fight for money and revenge?

I would say mc gregor gets paid what he gets.paid regardless of who he fights. Hes the draw in any fight.

When he was not defending his belt as he was going up for a title fight, thats fair enough. Rda pulling out and diaz stepping in is fair enough.

Agaim not defending belt to fight at 170 in a fight that is for nothing really is ridiculous
He should be defending.or relinquishing his belt.

And if people bring up other champs length of time between fights like aldo. He fought nobody in between. Mc gregor is actively avoiding defending his belt.

Gamebred

finglashoop wrote: »

I would say mc gregor gets paid what he gets.paid regardless of who he fights. Hes the draw in any fight.

Wrong.

finglashoop

ted1 wrote: »

Aldo and Frankie want Mc Gregor because he comes with a big pay day.

Diaz beat him because he wasn't prepared , he hadn't being hit by a big lad before and that's probably his camps fault , he must feel that he can train hard and get used to getting hit hard and be more effective with his gloves and feet. Show boating spinning kicks don't work on bigger guys.

Frankie and aldo want a belt too. Diaz was short notice. Mcgregor had full camp

finglashoop

Gamebred wrote: »

Wrong.

So getting the stockton slaps again is more lucrative than being a defending champion? Casual people tune in cause of mcgregors name.

You seem to think you're the authority on all things mcgregor as well as his main cheer leader

Mexcanelo

I may be wrong about this. But I think McGregor is making a huge mistake here.
It was clear from the last fight that he is not able for Diaz at 170. Diaz had no time prepare, no camp and he still destroyed McGregor.

This time Diaz will be prepared and ready. I don't think McGregor's career can take another loss at this time. If he loses again, (In the words of Joe Rogan) "It's all over"

c montgomery

Propane Nightmare wrote: »

You should really use punctuation. Reading your drivel posts is so hard at times.

The valid points he makes still stand however.
McGregors in it for money, make it as fast as he can and get out.

Let frankie fight aldo, winner gets conor

Gamebred

Mexcanelo wrote: »

I may be wrong about this. But I think McGregor is making a huge mistake here.
It was clear from the last fight that he is not able for Diaz at 170. Diaz had no time prepare, no camp and he still destroyed McGregor.

This time Diaz will be prepared and ready. I don't think McGregor's career can take another loss at this time. If he loses again, (In the words of Joe Rogan) "It's all over"

If he losses hes in the exact same position as hes in now,its a genius move,blame the size lose a small bit of pull thats it earn millions.

finglashoop wrote: »

So getting the stockton slaps again is more lucrative than being a defending champion? Casual people tune in cause of mcgregors name.

You seem to think you're the authority on all things mcgregor as well as his main cheer leader

Again your ignorance knows no bounds,have you ever heard of ppv points?

Swashbuckler

finglashoop wrote: »

So getting the stockton slaps again is more lucrative than being a defending champion? Casual people tune in cause of mcgregors name.

You seem to think you're the authority on all things mcgregor as well as his main cheer leader

Not that I agree with what McG is doing but in terms of money, the Diaz fight will earn him more PPV money. That's already been proven. His last fight against Diaz was the best selling PPV in the company's history. It sold more than the Aldo fight and the rematch against Diaz will sell more than another Aldo fight or a Frankie fight.

ASOT

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Not that I agree with what McG is doing but in terms of money, the Diaz fight will earn him more PPV money. That's already been proven. His last fight against Diaz was the best selling PPV in the company's history. It sold more than the Aldo fight and the rematch against Diaz will sell more than another Aldo fight or a Frankie fight.

The rematch with Diaz would sell more than those two ppvs put together, its all about the money I still dont know how people cant grasp this.

Swashbuckler

ASOT wrote: »

The rematch with Diaz would sell more than those two ppvs put together, its all about the money I still dont know how people cant grasp this.

I think a lot of people like myself get it, but just don't think it's fair. A naive opinion I guess but I just think he should be defending or dropping the belt. I was ok with the RDA fight but this is a step too far for me. But I guess it's a money business, not a "fair" business.

Mexcanelo

Gamebred wrote: »

If he losses hes in the exact same position as hes in now,its a genius move,blame the size lose a small bit of pull thats it earn millions.

He's in the same place in terms of being featherweight champion but his brand and mystique will be severely damaged. He loses the financial muscle to demand the big pay days

ASOT

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I think a lot of people like myself get it, but just don't think it's fair. A naive opinion I guess but I just think he should be defending or dropping the belt. I was ok with the RDA fight but this is a step too far for me. But I guess it's a money business, not a "fair" business.

Ah i understand myself its not right but atall and he should be defending the belt, but in a profession were you get clocked in the head and put your life on the line could you really blame him getting as much money in as possible? Its a win win, exactly what Gamebred said if he wins well and good if he loses no harm done, maybe a slight loss in pull but hes still the 145 champ and a massive pull. Fair play to him anyway instead of running off back to 145, he wants to try accomplish what he started. He will take this on points imo.

Mexcanelo wrote: »

He's in the same place in terms of being featherweight champion but his brand and mystique will be severely damaged. He loses the financial muscle to demand the big pay days

Lets be realistic he doesnt, Look at Sonnen, Overeem, Bisping all lost plenty of times and are all the highest paid athletes in the business, Sure the Reem was still getting 500k show money up until his last fight.

Gamebred

Mexcanelo wrote: »

He's in the same place in terms of being featherweight champion but his brand and mystique will be severely damaged. He loses the financial muscle to demand the big pay days

Yeah its true nobody knows how much his pull will diminish if he loses to diaz a second time until/if it happens,my guess is not too substantial,''hands up 170 wasnt for me better man won'' back to 145 then.

DeVore

McGregor lost because he gassed.

I rarely make absolute declarations here because they rarely are accurate but that's one no one can dispute. McGregor gassed and then got punched until he decided to try to take it to the ground in desperation where is was only a matter of time before Diaz choked him out. But it started with the gas tank emptying.

You cant train cardio in months. Sometimes you cant train it in years even. McGregor could be more efficient and economical with his energy sure, but that means throwing less shots and putting less on them. When we was giving it everything he had, he didn't look like putting Diaz away. Backing off isn't going to get the job done either.

Maybe it will take the fight into the later rounds? Sure, presuming Diaz doesn't take it to the ground, but then there is that questionable gas tank again. McGregor didn't have 2 flat out rounds in him. That should worry any serious fan (and don't be mistaken, I want Conor to win, I think he's exciting and good for the sport (when he keeps a leash on his mouth ). But that gas tank... is not getting any better by Ufc 200. And Diaz chin isn't getting any weaker.

ted1

finglashoop wrote: »

Frankie and aldo want a belt too. Diaz was short notice. Mcgregor had full camp

Full camp , but it wasn't the correct camp, he didn't expect what he got. This time he'll be better prepared.

The other two want the money , Hie much has Aldo made in all his years compared to McGregory?

Faugheen

ted1 wrote: »

Full camp , but it wasn't the correct camp, he didn't expect what he got. This time he'll be better prepared.

And Diaz won't be?

Diaz was drinking a cocktail on a yacht when he got the call ffs.

I'm reading plenty of comments saying McGregor will be better prepared etc. Fact is, so will Diaz.

I still expect Diaz will destroy him again. McGregor can't take a hit from a man the size of Diaz and no full camp will fix that.

newbbieb

Faugheen wrote: »

And Diaz won't be?

Diaz was drinking a cocktail on a yacht when he got the call ffs.

I'm reading plenty of comments saying McGregor will be better prepared etc. Fact is, so will Diaz.

I still expect Diaz will destroy him again. McGregor can't take a hit from a man the size of Diaz and no full camp will fix that.

At 55 McGregor wins imo, at 170 he loses nearly every time.

Paully D

I honestly think McGregor can do it if he turns it into a Mayweather style boxing match. Jab all night picking Diaz off to take rounds, while then also constantly attacking Nate's lead leg to slow him down coming forward.

John_D80

Paully D wrote: »

I honestly think McGregor can do it if he turns it into a Mayweather style boxing match. Jab all night picking Diaz off to take rounds, while then also constantly attacking Nate's lead leg to slow him down coming forward.

Absolutely agree with this.

Mix this in with the occasional .body shot/kick and he will set him up nicely for a 3rd or 4th round finish.

RonanP77

I haven't seen enough if Diaz to know if he can only fight one way ir can change things up. He knows he can take Conors shots now so maybe he'll be more confident in the next fight.

raze_them_all_

John_D80 wrote: »

Absolutely agree with this.

Mix this in with the occasional .body shot/kick and he will set him up nicely for a 3rd or 4th round finish.

he doesnt have the reach to win a jabbing match

akelly02

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

he doesnt have the reach to win a jabbing match

Plus how shiite of a spectacle would that be

PIMPHO

I posted the day I landed back in Ireland and said I was on same flight as Conor's Mum and she said that he'd been on antibiotics for a chest infection 2 weeks leading up to the fight. Obviously didn't want to disclose this or make an excuse so kept it under wraps. Explains why he went for early KO & gassed. If he's fully fit, he'll beat Diaz IMO.

finglashoop

Gamebred wrote: »

If he losses hes in the exact same position as hes in now,its a genius move,blame the size lose a small bit of pull thats it earn millions.



Again your ignorance knows no bounds,have you ever heard of ppv points?

Yes i have. Have the ufc ever officially disclosed ppv sales?

John_D80

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

he doesnt have the reach to win a jabbing match

The reach difference is only an inch or two at very most. McGregor has all the tools required to play an evasive game with a straight line mover like Diaz. Head movement, lateral movement, leg kicks, devastating body kicks and the sweetest slip to lead left in all of MMA to name but a few. Just needs to use them next time.

And who said anything about a jabbing match anyway? Using he jab would only be part of the overall gameplan if he decides to fight an intelligent fight next time out.

EDIT: Sorry, you're right, it actually was mentioned about Jabbing all night. My bad. lol :-)

Still though IMO he would not limit himself to working a jab all night.

Subcomandante Marcos

It's going to turn into Conor spamming lead lefts again, Diaz rolling with them and then catching Conor every single time he feels like it with combos.

Diaz didn't just out box Conor either, he was able to throw him against the cage and land heavy knees with little real resistance in both rounds as well.

All this talk of Conor acting as a counter puncher against Diaz or taking out his lead leg. It's fantasy stuff, he will be beat again, and in similar fashion.

Paully D

PIMPHO wrote: »

I posted the day I landed back in Ireland and said I was on same flight as Conor's Mum and she said that he'd been on antibiotics for a chest infection 2 weeks leading up to the fight. Obviously didn't want to disclose this or make an excuse so kept it under wraps. Explains why he went for early KO & gassed. If he's fully fit, he'll beat Diaz IMO.

That's very interesting. A couple of people on here posted that he seemed like he had a heavy cold during the press conference when it was going on. I'd heard the chest infection rumour from someone else a couple of weeks ago but dismissed it, but I'm sure it's true as it would be a strange thing for his mother to make up.

He couldn't really do anything differently considering what he had been saying about Aldo and dos Anjos pulling out of fights, but fair play to him for pushing on through it even though in hindsight the sensible thing would have been to take the out when dos Anjos withdrew. Conor also referred to having a couple of opportunities to pull out even when the Diaz fight was made so he could well have been referring to his infection.

However I wish it came out publically that he had the illness as it's certainly a huge reason why he may have gassed.

Tox56

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's going to turn into Conor spamming lead lefts again, Diaz rolling with them and then catching Conor every single time he feels like it with combos.

Diaz didn't just out box Conor either, he was able to throw him against the cage and land heavy knees with little real resistance in both rounds as well.

All this talk of Conor acting as a counter puncher against Diaz or taking out his lead leg. It's fantasy stuff, he will be beat again, and in similar fashion.

McGregor taking out Diaz's lead leg isnt fantasy stuff, its exactly how fighters have got to Diaz before and its a strategy McGregor absolutely can and should use. He had some success with it even in the first fight.

http://gfycat.com/LawfulZealousHoneyeater

Saying Diaz caught McGregor with combos "every single time he felt like it" is fantasy. McGregor won the first round ffs. Acting like McGregor has 0 chance whatsoever in a rematch is as naive as the people who thought McGregor was going to walk through Diaz in the first fight

ASOT

Paully D wrote: »

That's very interesting. A couple of people on here posted that he seemed like he had a heavy cold during the press conference when it was going on. I'd heard the chest infection rumour from someone else a couple of weeks ago but dismissed it, but I'm sure it's true as it would be a strange thing for his mother to make up.

He couldn't really do anything differently considering what he had been saying about Aldo and dos Anjos pulling out of fights, but fair play to him for pushing on through it even though in hindsight the sensible thing would have been to take the out when dos Anjos withdrew. Conor also referred to having a couple of opportunities to pull out even when the Diaz fight was made so he could well have been referring to his infection.

However I wish it came out publically that he had the illness as it's certainly a huge reason why he may have gassed.

Just on this for reference of how bad it could effect a fighter watch Mendes v Lentz he gassed after a round while he was on that tear before his second shot at Aldo, looked like **** and said he had a cold going into the fight which ****ed up his stamina and breathing.

Mellor

finglashoop wrote: »

Yes i have. Have the ufc ever officially disclosed ppv sales?

Yes. They say this event did X, or that event did Y all the time

Mr. Manager

Gamebred wrote: »

Frankie pulls pathetic numbers Ive posted them before hes a free tv fighter nobody cares about him why should he bother his arse cutting weight for a smaller pay cheque?


You seem to be ignorant to the fact hes a prize fighter in a sports entertainment company,Im sure he gives a rats ass about what someone on an interforum thinks of him not fighting Edgar,remember legacy wont pay his bills for the next 40 years,big fights will.

We were never talking about money. You've gone off the track of our discussion so I'll leave you to it.

Davei141

It is gas listening to people say Conor just needs to do XYZ and he will win. Neglecting to mention that he has never done that in the cage before. "Conor should spam leg kicks" - When has he ever leg kicked anyone? Not to mention he easily got taken down off of a bodykick in the first fight. "Conor should just outpoint/outbox Diaz" Only person he has ever outpointed was Holloway who he could take down after he hurt his knee. Is he really going to beat Diaz over 25 minutes without getting tired or subbed?

Diaz was in on 10 days notice yet we are to believe only Conor can be better in the second fight. We know Nate can take his power shots.

Kev_2012

If he did indeed have a chest infection, then his fitness would be in massive trouble for a while afterwards. I played a rugby match a few years ago with a chest infection and it's worse than if you were on the p!ss for a long weekend. It so difficult to deal with.

I've no doubt in my mind that Conor will be back and much better for this loss.

finglashoop

Mellor wrote: »

Yes. They say this event did X, or that event did Y all the time

And Dana never lies.

Wrongway1985

Davei141 wrote: »

It is gas listening to people say Conor just needs to do XYZ and he will win.

Diaz was in on 10 days notice yet we are to believe only Conor can be better in the second fight. We know Nate can take his power shots.

Ya it's funny the he'll knock his block off in round 1 has been replaced with fight conservative on the way to a points decision my God.