UFC 200 Jones vs Cormier 2

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Swashbuckler wrote: »

Wasting your time lad.

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weldoninhio

ted1 wrote: »

Diaz beat him because he wasn't prepared , he hadn't being hit by a big lad before and that's probably his camps fault , he must feel that he can train hard and get used to getting hit hard and be more effective with his gloves and feet.

I've never read such absolute drivel. No fighter can train his chin to take a punch. Diaz wobbled him and he sh@t it, no amount of training prevents that.

weldoninhio

ted1 wrote: »

Full camp , but it wasn't the correct camp, he didn't expect what he got. This time he'll be better prepared.

The other two want the money , Hie much has Aldo made in all his years compared to McGregory?

According to the man himself, he doesn't train for any specific fighter, he trains to fight his own fight.

canhefixit

I dont know if a rematch is a wise choice for McGregor camp, ok he didnt do too bad in the first round but totally gassed himself going for the haymaker knockdown, come the second he was completely gassed held his hands low got rocked and it was fight over at that stage in his head imo, he just didnt seem fit to defend from an array of diaz punches with him even being a boxer and diaz can go all day throwing them so he was always going to get clipped

Imo he would need to up the cardio training alot and focus winning the fight over 5 rounds and forget the knockout against Diaz

daRobot

weldoninhio wrote: »

According to the man himself, he doesn't train for any specific fighter, he trains to fight his own fight.

He contradicts himself on that point, as he often mentions how he analyses their movement and studies their patterns. I would imagine that is the real situation, as I don't see how it could be any other way when there's so much money at stake.

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Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Cluiche iascairi wrote: »

The belt is far from dusty lads. He won it 4 months ago. He could still defend it before the years out

Not defending a belt because you're injured is one thing, not defending a belt but taking two other fights in the meantime is completely different. If this was someone else and McGregor was waiting for a shot this place would be in meltdown with fanboys crying over it.

Nah - Aldo defended it, maybe, once a year?

Swashbuckler

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Nah - Aldo defended it, maybe, once a year?

Did you even read what he said?

Gamebred

Amazing how everybody cares about 145 belt all of a sudden,nobody gave a rats ass about it until Conor came along the division was stale,now people are crying because he won it 4 months ago and isnt defending it gotta laugh.

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RDA

Tox56 wrote: »

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's going to turn into Conor spamming lead lefts again, Diaz rolling with them and then catching Conor every single time he feels like it with combos.

Diaz didn't just out box Conor either, he was able to throw him against the cage and land heavy knees with little real resistance in both rounds as well.

All this talk of Conor acting as a counter puncher against Diaz or taking out his lead leg. It's fantasy stuff, he will be beat again, and in similar fashion.

McGregor taking out Diaz's lead leg isnt fantasy stuff, its exactly how fighters have got to Diaz before and its a strategy McGregor absolutely can and should use. He had some success with it even in the first fight.

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Saying Diaz caught McGregor with combos "every single time he felt like it" is fantasy. McGregor won the first round ffs. Acting like McGregor has 0 chance whatsoever in a rematch is as naive as the people who thought McGregor was going to walk through Diaz in the first fight

RDA absolutely destroyed Diaz's front leg when he dolly-ragged Diaz - While Conor has good sharp leg kicks to the liver - when RDA kicked Diaz's legs they were going up in the air - I don't think Conor has that type of power in his kicks - certainly has it his hands moreso than RDA - who can hit - but, not like McGregor. Diaz's face didn't look like the Butcher's block it did during his fight with McGregor.

I can see McGregor beating Diaz at 170 - wouldn't surprise me. I'd like to see him beat RDA - can't see McGregor winning it though...unless he gets inside his head like he did to Aldo. I think RDA is a different machine though

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Kev_2012 wrote: »

darced;99157978The Diaz fight exposed too many holes in Conors game for me to believe that he would beat Aldo again.
Something was either badly wrong in the Diaz fight or he is not the fighter I thought he was. His cardio,chin,heart(compared to other fighters), and grappling all have major doubts now.

If he does a number on Diaz in the rematch then the defeat can be a small bump in the road and its as you were but if Diaz finishes him again then I see him losing to Aldo and Frankie if he goes back to FW.

Take a look at Conor vs Mendes for example, look how fit he was despite being on his back for much of the fight. He jumped straight back up and kicked the body off of Mendes. He was seriously fit.

He is just not used to 170 yet. Give him time. This fight will be much different. I think Conor will batter him this time if he is more patient and is fitter.

That's very true - he wil be spending a lot more time at 170 - adjusting to the demands of being fit at 170. He will be more comfortable...

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Swashbuckler wrote: »

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Nah - Aldo defended it, maybe, once a year?

Did you even read what he said?

Sure did.

PIMPHO

pgj2015 wrote: »

conor made the excuse to his mother then she made it to the guys on the plane.

Face palm!

Subcomandante Marcos

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Nah - Aldo defended it, maybe, once a year?

Difference being fights were cancelled because of injuries, and on average he defended over twice per year.

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Swashbuckler

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Sure did.

So you just missed the point then.

John_D80

pgj2015 wrote: »

conor made the excuse to his mother then she made it to the guys on the plane.

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Swashbuckler;99161972

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Sure did.

So you just missed the point then.


Sure didn't.

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Still plenty of time for McGregor to defend it - twice this year. But, he'd be mad to, It's easier to generate more eyes and bucks in the others divisions. There are better fights at 155 and 170. Once a year is enough for him to defend that ****ty division - unless, lads who are crowd draws emerge. As McGregor said Aldo, Frankie, and Holloway should fight it out before fighting him...
Aldo fought once in 2012 and 2015. But, he did fight once every six months in the other years? And, he still couldn't make anything out of the division or sell himself to the UFC audience or to the average sporting punter. Great fighter in his day - superb pound for pound number 1 - a machine in his day - but, dead as a doornail in terms of charisma and showmanship. Not an Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, Couture, Iceman, or GSP type...
Aldo dosen't draw, Frankie doesn't draw. McGregor draws more than anyone in the UFC. If he made over 10 million for the Diaz fight - he could probably get 20 if he fought GSP. Any appeals from Frankie or Aldo of injustice would be met with pseudo-pity and derision from the UFC.

it just makes sense for the UFC and McGregor to fight draw fights. To talk of defending belts against ableit excellent fighters but dead draws is naive - that's not the fight game, never was.

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Difference being fights were cancelled because of injuries, and on average he defended over twice per year.

I'd be pretty sure that last bit isn't correct.


Edit: In 5 years, 2011-1015, he had 8 fights. That only 1.6 times a year, nowhere near over twice a year.
He fought once or twice every year. With two gaps of over a year (11, and 12 months).

When is on the sidelines longer than other champs people can complain, but 6-12 months is about the average time for champs. There's not a lot left in 145, I'm not sure why people are in a hurry to completely clear the division. Or maybe it's a hurry to see Aldo lose

Subcomandante Marcos

Mellor wrote: »

I'd be pretty sure that last bit isn't correct.

Oh but it is.

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Oh but it is.

Did you see my edit above. It's not. He defended 8 times in 5 years, nowhere near over twice a year.

Subcomandante Marcos

Mellor wrote: »

Did you see my edit above. It's not. He defended 8 times in 5 years, nowhere near over twice a year.

He was champion for close to ten years though.

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Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

Did you see my edit above. It's not. He defended 8 times in 5 years, nowhere near over twice a year.

He was champion for close to ten years though.

I think you misread his point...:angel:

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I also pointed out - above - that he fought only once in 2012 and 2015.

Eircom_Sucks

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He was champion for close to ten years though.

no , undefeated for 10 years

ufc champ bout 5 years and ecw for a year

Subcomandante Marcos

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I also pointed out - above - that he fought only once in 2012 and 2015.

And I pointed out that not fighting because you're injured is a lot different than taking fights against people in other weight classes because your ego wants to go along with Dana and his WWF bollocks.

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Injured or avoiding drug testing? Injured or embarrassed because you've failed to learn english (unlike Silva)? Injured or avoiding fights because you're not ready? Dana White is a huge part of making the UFC what it is? There's is much more ambition and excitement about going outside your division and fightng bigger guys? Yes? RDA pulled - can't blame RDA, Dana, or McGregor for that? Aldo pulled? Frankie pulled? Diaz complained - McGregor said 170 so... simples. Dana doing a great job as is McGregor - the cheques don't lie! All great fighters go outside their weight class - it's as old as the hills and quite the norm in boxing (Dana White's sport)- nothing to do with WWF.

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dave1982

Conor hasn't defended his belt yet and I don't think he has any interest in defending it. He wants big fights big money. I assume he's gonna try bulk up this time for 170lbs can't see him getting back down to 145 if he puts on extra muscle weight

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"darced;99162833Does everyone realize that if Conor fights Nate at 200 he wont be defending his FW belt until September at the earliest or later if he gets medically suspended which is a distinct possibility.

We are looking at the belt going uncontested for at least 10 months with a fit and healthy champion. I do have a feeling he will vacate the belt once Diaz is announced, he can always go back down to fight for it again."

It's hardly a big deal - McGregor's already annihilated the guy who was beating everyone for ten years. I'm all for rematches - 13 seconds doesn't merit one - 8 years of being at the top? Okay. But, he got an opportunity to step up and Aldo didn't. Neither did Frankie.

Much more money and prestige to be made elsewhere. I would give McGregor more credit for fighting five times at 170 and losing against top class bigger men than murking dudes at 145 - which he has already proven he can do.
The best young guy at 145 is Holloway who McGregor beat on one leg...
I don't see the fascination with the boring 145 division - the only thing exciting about 145 is when Mcgregor is in it. I don't want to see Frankie and Aldo fight - I've already seen it - Frankie is not as good - but that was before the new drug testing rules - so, it might be different if restaged...

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darced wrote: »

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Definitely not more of a McGregor fan - I've already posted that I don't see him beating RDA. As a UFC fan, I want to see more super fights - guys outside their comfort zone - Aldo is too conservative for that and Frankie had a spell at 155 - a successful one - before getting wiped by Benson. He didn't go up - he went down in weight.

McGregor is doing exactly what I want to see - I want to see Weidman and Rockhold fight guys like Rumble, Jon Jones, or Cormier. I want to see Jon Jones fight Cain Velasquez or Werdum. I want to TJ or Cruz fight Aldo. Great fighters do that and it makes for exciting fights - i don't see many capable of it. I thought McGregor v Diaz fight was a great back and forth fight - I'd like to see it again, just for longer.

I think Aldo's days are numbered - he's had enough. Doesn't have the same hunger or movement anymore - whether that's due to the years of fighting from a young age at an elite level or the new drug testing I'm not sure...

So, I see your point, but I just disagree - I want Diaz and McGregor or McGregor and RDA...

I can't see the UFC thinking that the Aldo rematch will generate anything near the money a fight with Diaz will... - Diaz is a decent draw - and full promotion will yield higher dividends...

Mellor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He was champion for close to ten years though.

No he wasn't. It was 6 or 7 years.

The UFC is not the WEC, but even if you include his WEC reign, its still less than over twice a year

I'm aware Conor situation is different, but I'm only talking about the specific part I bolded. And was only injured for a small portion of the last 7 years.

Gamebred

Aldo is done,the boring fights he wasnt the same as WEC Aldo coasting to wins over nobodies on the world stage like Lamas,then Mendes came along and absolutely butchered his face for him put him down twice like we never seen before he was never going to be the same,


The Usada comes in and the shadiest stuff Ive ever heard of happens with spilled samples and him calling the police on the tester absolutely far fetched,gets injured althought the only proof is an x ray that could be anybodys,he then gets hit with a peach ko'd still wakes up when he lands and gets put back asleep by a hammer fist,never mind the mental scars if anyone thinks hes coming back and going to be dominant I think your very naive.

raze_them_all_

Gamebred wrote: »

Aldo is done,the boring fights he wasnt the same as WEC Aldo coasting to wins over nobodies on the world stage like Lamas,then Mendes came along and absolutely butchered his face for him put him down twice like we never seen before he was never going to be the same,


The Usada comes in and the shadiest stuff Ive ever heard of happens with spilled samples and him calling the police on the tester absolutely far fetched,gets injured althought the only proof is an x ray that could be anybodys,he then gets hit with a peach ko'd still wakes up when he lands and gets put back asleep by a hammer fist,never mind the mental scars if anyone thinks hes coming back and going to be dominant I think your very naive.

Ya know, it's almost like a decade plus long fighting career takes a toll on your body

Gamebred

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Ya know, it's almost like a decade plus long fighting career takes a toll on your body

Im not surprised Mother....



They cant stay on a run like he did for ever and live happily ever after,the gym wars alone in nova unaoi not to mention weight cuts and hard life he had all contributed to his demise along with the fights,


I'd love him to come back as him old self for the competitivness of the division but I dont see it.

RonanP77

darced wrote:

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Were we watching different fights?

Wrecked him in the standup? Diaz was on top for about the last minute of the fight, he landed nicely and wobbled McGregor and was in control after that. Conor had the better of the standup prior to that. Diaz did prove he can take Conors shots alright but I wouldn't say he wrecked him.

Molested him on the ground? He sunk in the choke and tapped Conor out alright, when he was already stunned from punches. McGregor did well when it went to ground in round 1 didn't he? Diaz is a black belt, Conor is brown so I'd expect Diaz to do better on the ground anyway but to say molested is a bit of a stretch. If a fight goes a few rounds of complete domination on the ground then you could say molested, not when there's 2 exchanges and each lad gets the better of 1.

I'll agree with you on the Aldo thing, it was a freak result and if a rematch ever does happen, it will go very differently. We know Conor has the power to KO Aldo but I certainly wouldn't like to put any money on it. I could see Aldo winning.

themandan6611

Gamebred wrote: »

Im not surprised Mother....



They cant stay on a run like he did for ever and live happily ever after,the gym wars alone in nova unaoi not to mention weight cuts and hard life he had all contributed to his demise along with the fights,


I'd love him to come back as him old self for the competitivness of the division but I dont see it.

I'd love if was any way humble and acknowledged McGregor's victory over him and the money he earned from it

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Gamebred

darced wrote: »

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Looked ok to me in july with one knee ko'ing Mendes,dont think anybody even if they were roided up on EPO and swang bombs like he did v Diaz would last very long,


Well Aldo wasnt in as much trouble as Conor so its not really comparible but you do realise Jose has tapped from a rear naked choke too in his career?

Easy Rod

darced wrote: »

Aldo still wanted to fight on after getting knocked out twice unlike Conor who quit at the first sign of adversity.

Where did Conors pre-USADA gas-tank from the Holloway fight go?

Jesus Christ, have a look at what you're posting. Seriously.

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themandan6611

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maybe 2 stone made a difference, maybe an over-confidence factor - one thing I feel is that JK and SBG are clean if that is what you are attempting to insinuate

themandan6611

darced wrote: »

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That's not clever on Aldo's part, i would take how McGregor came back from his two previous losses as a sign of how he has dealt with adversity.

Maybe 2 stone made a difference, maybe an over-confidence factor - one thing I feel is that JK and SBG are clean if that is what you are attempting to insinuate

themandan6611

darced wrote: »

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That's not clever on Aldo's part, i would take how McGregor came back from his two previous losses as a sign of how he has dealt with adversity.

Maybe 2 stone made a difference, maybe an over-confidence factor - one thing I feel is that JK and SBG are clean if that is what you are attempting to insinuate

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themandan6611

darced wrote: »

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There is a big difference between the weight you walk around at and what you actually fight at

you are basically, thinly veiled albeit, accusing someone of doping - forgot everyone else on the forum and don't run with the herd - if you have evidence then share it otherwise it is not the right thing to throw out. I am sure you would not like if someone made a baseless insinuation about you or a family member on somewhere like boards

Gamebred

That USADA debacle actually happened in Aldos gym,complete fact,unlike your claims of zero substance,ive not accused Aldo of anything I suspect it,you're using a loss after punching himself out and getting bet by a better fighter him as a reason to question him as a potential steroid user,which is fantasy stuff,


We know your not a fan of his,its clear and you're not as bad as some of the muppets who come on here (some fishing,some just rotten with jealousy) but you're better than that come on.

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As both Mosier and Aldo lost track of the sample while he was being detained, Mosier instructed that the sample be discarded. According to Guinty s letter, Mosier s capacity to test Aldo was called under further scrutiny before immigration officials allowed him to collect Aldo s sample the following day.

The letter reads: Ben Mosier reported at 1:39 pm CDT to Chris Guinty that immigration control had been dispatched to his location to escort him out of the country. Ben Mosier continued to explain to present authorities that he had a valid work visa issued in 2012 (expiring 2022) from the Brazilian consulate in Chicago. The federal police officer continued threatening him with arrest and confiscation of his phone, and refused Ben access to his computer to demonstrate proof of his work related documents from the Brazilian consulate. Ben was told he will not be allowed to remain in Brazil for the test that is to occur with the Brazilian MMA Athletic Commission DCO on June 12. Brazilian immigration officials reported to the training facility and reviewed his paperwork and deemed he was allowed him to stay in the country and participate in the collection the following day. The immigration official advised if Ben returned to the country in the future he would need to pay an administrative fee to rectify his visa issue.

After eventually being cleared to collect the sample, the letter stats that Mosier arranged the interaction to take place the next morning at the gym between 8.30 and 9.00 am. However, Aldo did not show up to the gym 11.40 local time as he was believed to be obtaining his US Visa to travel for his upcoming fight.

Because of the delay, the letter highlights that Guinty expressed his concern about the time that had elapsed since Aldo had been notified of the test. Guinty s letter also indicates that Sampaio initially gave a strict deadline of 12.00 pm to insure the transport of the sample, but he then changed the deadline to 2.00 pm with no explanation provided as to why later time was now possible.

Chris Guinty spoke with Christiano Sampaio about the importance of Aldo taking the test immediately, due to length of time that had elapsed from testing notification. Christiano Sampio (sic) advised at that time his deadline for shipping would be 12:00 pm local time to ensure the sample was transported via courier to the airport for flight to the United States. During continued wait for Jos Aldo to arrive to the training facility to commence collection process, Christiano Sampio later changed this shipping cutoff time to 2:00 pm local time, with no explanation provided as to why later time was now possible.

Guinty highlights that the sample had to be collected twice as upon closing the beaker lid (Aldo) dropped the collection beaker and spilled the sample in

its entirety," in his letter. He also claims that the Brazilian MMA Commission DCO, who was present throughout the sampling process, asked for an autograph and a picture with the featherweight king on the completion of the test.