Getting thrown out of places for vaping.

Parachutes

Anyone experience this kind of thing?

I'm constantly being told to stop or to get out while vaping in cafes, resturants etc. I understand that it is at the descretion of the owner of the particular premise but at this rate I might as well be going out for a fag.

I'm usually told to "Stop smoking" when I inform them it's an e-cig I usually get a response such as "Read the smoking ban" or "Smoking has been banned since 2004" just wondering if we have any leg to stand on in this regard. As far as I know the smoking ban is so specific in it's phraseology regarding tobacco that you can actually smoke herbal ciggs in pubs.

I was thrown out of the pictures mid film the weekend without a refund. The prevailing attitude seems to be "It looks like smoking, therefore bad!" despite no evidence that the second hand steam is harmful.

Dissapointing to say the least!

o1s1n

Odd, I vape everywhere and haven't been asked to stop once.

Are you producing massive clouds? Maybe a bit more discretion and smaller plumes would help?

colly10

Im vaping since 2011 and have never had this happen to me. Maybe 1 or 2 pubs in that time said not in here but ive said no problem and ignored them.
Work is the only place I can't vape except if i step through the door into the main building.
I think you're just unlucky, i avoid blowing clowds though as that can draw attention, maybe you're doing that?

RonanP77

Parachutes wrote:

I was thrown out of the pictures mid film the weekend without a refund. The prevailing attitude seems to be "It looks like smoking, therefore bad!" despite no evidence that the second hand steam is harmful.

There's not enough evidence that it isn't harmful either, we really don't know yet do we? If somebody sitting beside me in the cinema (you don't get much closer to someone than that) started it, I'd ask them nicely to stop and if they refused I'd go complain about it.

Films aren't all that long anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to wait until you get outside after its over.

parttime

Maybe ask first?

poolboy

Parachutes wrote: »

Anyone experience this kind of thing?

I'm constantly being told to stop or to get out while vaping in cafes, resturants etc. I understand that it is at the descretion of the owner of the particular premise but at this rate I might as well be going out for a fag.

I'm usually told to "Stop smoking" when I inform them it's an e-cig I usually get a response such as "Read the smoking ban" or "Smoking has been banned since 2004" just wondering if we have any leg to stand on in this regard. As far as I know the smoking ban is so specific in it's phraseology regarding tobacco that you can actually smoke herbal ciggs in pubs.

I was thrown out of the pictures mid film the weekend without a refund. The prevailing attitude seems to be "It looks like smoking, therefore bad!" despite no evidence that the second hand steam is harmful.

Dissapointing to say the least!

No evidence to prove "second hand steam" isn't harmful either. They smell disgusting and it's pretty ignorant to assume non vapours have no problem with them. As for using it in the cinema if you don't see what's wrong with that well........

VincePP

The stench off them is dreadful - someone was vaping at a table next to me in a restaurant in Waterford last year and I asked to be moved. Stench still wafted, so we left.

I notice that the restaurant now bans it.

Its not just about the "smoking" too many of them just have an awful stench.

eurokev

You would seriously want to be one ignorant 'person' to start vaping in restaurants and cinemas.
Like seriously a bit of consideration is in order.
I vape a bit myself and would never do that. And I would be seriously annoyed if someone did around me. Its just pig ignorant.

Reasons:
1) In cinema plumes of vapour could not be anything other than annoying.
2) In restaurants, vapour does smell so would be annoying when eating your food.

I have only ever seen a few people vape in pubs, and usually its some weirdo, most people are considerate enough to understand the vast majority are still very uncomfortable with vaping inside so would not even dare to ask let alone do. Maybe its the fact that you can see the vapour and a are breathing it in, I personally don't like breathing in other peoples air, yes I know I do anyway all the time, but the fact that I cant see it doesn't make it an issue I suppose.
Nobody can be 'hanging' that much for a vape that they should be doing it inside public places ever imo.

But inevitably the kind of person that would, is just going to come back with the high horse excuse of 'Im only breathing out water vapour' / 'Its not tobacco, theres no law against it man'

foggy_lad

All public transport services operated by Irish Rail Bus Eireann and Dublin bus ban vaping on their vehicles and in their buildings, most private bus operators ban it also, many pubs and restaurants also ban vaping, before long it will be as anti social as smoking.

eeguy

Personally I don't like vaping any more than smoking.

Doing it in a cinema is just plain wrong. Never mind the smell, the smoke would be distracting enough.

Some of the mixes are really smoky too. Saw a guy walking through college green the other day followed by huge white clouds. Never saw anything like it.

Thecageyone

Where the hell are all these non vapers crawling out from? lol, this is the Vaping section ... I thought

As for people saying "the stench of them"? I don't know what the hell you lot are smelling, but most juices these days smell like desserts.

Moaners gotta moan. Would you be happier if were all still smoking the stuff that actually has a stench? and actually kills people?

Do some research, get your nostrils checked, and stop talking nonsense.

the_syco

From experience;

Small puffs vaping; no problems
Sub Ohm cloud chasing; have been asked not to do it in one or two places.

moleyv

parttime wrote:

Maybe ask first?

This!!!

As an avid vaper, it only takes a few seconds to ask and can avoid any conflict.

I don't see the need to vape in a restaurant. In bars, I guess for me its a bit different, most of my friends smoke so I just head to the smoking area. Or if its a quiet bar, or towards the end of the night and things are quitening down, I just ask the bar staff / bouncers.

In a cinema vapour would be hugely obvious when caught by the bright projector lights. Certainly causing a distraction to other cinema goer's. Equipment that produces only small amounts of vapour could be used, but out of courtesy and the small chance it will still catch the light, I would avoid. The days of 3.5 hours of titanic are long gone if hanging for your fix.

What really 'grinds my gears' is if in a smoking area, and someone gives out to me while vaping, with proven dangerous smoke pouring out their nostrils. Its at that point I see how much clouds I can chuck.

As for those who say it smells bad? Just curious as to what you say it smells like? The majority flavours are fruity or desert style. Tobacco flavours are in the minority.

The two main ingredients used are also used in medical inhalers, they have antibacterial properties, so my 'clouds' likely are cleaner than your 'wiffy' breath. Flavours are all food grade, and nicotine isn't the 'dangerous' part of cigarettes.

But ignorance is bliss eh, I guess the NHS must be wrong about making them available through prescription. Maybe the Daily Mail are more qualified to tell us what is safe.

8mm

New study proves there is no second-hand vaping:

e-cigarette aerosol contains less volatile compounds than normal exhaled breath

http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/whatsnew-2015/226-sp

Please stop with the "who knows what's in those yokes" type assumptions - we know what's in them and we know this saves lives.

yoke

That Dr Farsalino guy sounds like he was paid by an e-cig company or something - funny how he downplays (while still admitting) that nicotine exhaled from a person's breath while vaping is roughly the same amount as a regular tobacco cigarette smoker would exhale:

http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/whats-new/whatsnew-2014/184-passive-vape

The headline says in bold print "Nicotine absorbed from “passive vaping” is minimal and with no health implications", however buried in the article we can see:
"The main finding of the study was that “passive vaping” results in nicotine absorption from non-smokers non-vapers, at similar levels as those exposed to smoke from tobacco cigarettes."

Further in the article, he goes on about how passive vaping has "no biological effects", while admitting in the same paragraph that the nicotine was directly responsible for heart-rate acceleration and is falling foul of european regulations based on that. He goes on to argue against the european regulations, using some maths which is based on a 75kg "average adult" - wtf? Do children not count? babies/toddlers? what about the fact that noone sits in a house with tobacco smoke in it (most smokers I know ventilate their houses a lot more because of the smell, whereas there is no such reason for extra ventilation in the homes of vapers as there is no smell. Surely this means that the people living with vapers will breathe the nicotine-laden air for much longer than people living with smokers?).

There are so many holes and un-answered questions in his arguments that it's pointless to attack him point-by-point, we'd be here all day.

Readers can make up their own minds, but they should be aware that nicotine is a compound that you cannot smell, you cannot taste, and you cannot see, but it still kills your brain cells and therefore makes you stupider. Loads of research from even 14 years ago showing that - example:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2286-nicotine-stops-new-brain-cells-forming/

I hope vaping goes the way of cigarettes.

Victor

Thecageyone wrote: »

Where the hell are all these non vapers crawling out from? lol, this is the Vaping section

Meanwhile, the rest of us thought the buildings we were in were the food-eating section or the film-watching section.

was.deevey

"The main finding of the study was that “passive vaping” results in nicotine absorption from non-smokers non-vapers, at similar levels as those exposed to smoke from tobacco cigarettes."

Which is a tiny amount, as Nicotine is absorbed FAST upon inhalation with very little left in the exhaled breath.

The amount of nicotine bsorbed by a passer by is even less than a tiny amount unless you are breathing in ALL the exhaled smoke directly at someone and forcing them to breath it in a sealed box, then you might see a tiny increase in their nicotine absorption.

Then again they probably show the same trace amounts of nicotine if they eat a Bolognese, and have less CO than going for a heathy walk in any park in Dublin

and therefore makes you stupider.

You got there on your own mate

Nicotine was never the problem, the CO2, CO and other 4000 chemicals being released by BURNING are the real issues with smoking.

However, I don't believe that a Non-Smoker/Non-Vaper should have to be inconvenienced by my habit, but I should not have to be inconvenienced by the smell of noticeable combination of P1ss and Guinness fart smells in a pub either.

Some Vapers are Stupid and blow clouds everywhere to make themselves the argument point, some non-smokers/vapers are stupid and only read the headlines of the Sun or Daily Mail and happily join the argument uninformed and quote studies that were done 20 years ago and dismiss any studies that don't back up their argument.

eeguy

Thecageyone wrote: »

Where the hell are all these non vapers crawling out from? lol, this is the Vaping section ... I thought

So you don't want any non vapers participating in a discussion about the perception of vaping by non-vapers??

j26m

You're on someone elses property, you ask what their rules are, and abide by them. Simple, really.

EGriff

Thecageyone wrote: »

Where the hell are all these non vapers crawling out from? lol, this is the Vaping section ... I thought

As for people saying "the stench of them"? I don't know what the hell you lot are smelling, but most juices these days smell like desserts.

Moaners gotta moan. Would you be happier if were all still smoking the stuff that actually has a stench? and actually kills people?

Do some research, get your nostrils checked, and stop talking nonsense.

They always pop up in these threads, and very fast too, with their copy and paste paragraphs ready.

parttime

I am a vaper, just not an ignorant one!

JohnFalstaff

Were you also laughing very loudly throughout the film?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm81LSKJC2k

nkav86

I think its quite rude to vape in an enclosed public space like a cinema or restaurant. As a vaper unless I have permission I wouldn't even vape in someone's house, regardless of dangers it's intrusive, clouds of sweet and sometimes sickly smelling vapor are irritating as hell, I generally treat it like I did smoking, by being polite and considerate, just because I vape instead of smoke now doesn't mean I get a free pass to do what I want

Del2005

Thecageyone wrote: »

Where the hell are all these non vapers crawling out from? lol, this is the Vaping section ... I thought

As for people saying "the stench of them"? I don't know what the hell you lot are smelling, but most juices these days smell like desserts.

Moaners gotta moan. Would you be happier if were all still smoking the stuff that actually has a stench? and actually kills people?

Do some research, get your nostrils checked, and stop talking nonsense.

Farting is also harmless, doesn't mean that farting in public is socialist acceptable. There's a time and place for everything.

Thecageyone

eeguy wrote: »

So you don't want any non vapers participating in a discussion about the perception of vaping by non-vapers??

Where are you lot 99.99% of the time then? This seems very random that a bunch of you suddenly attacking someone for saying they vape in public ... very fishy IMO

We're here all the time, where have you been?

Come and get educated, many of us here make our own E-liquid and can tell you EXACTLY what's in there. All 4 ingredients. Maybe if some of you over exaggerating anti's stopped reading the hogwash you chose to believe, and started reading actual FACTS, better discussions could arise.

For now it seems a bunch gt together and decided to attack one post that was probably moved in here, for no apparent reason, from the aggressive giving up smoking area.

EGriff wrote: »

They always pop up in these threads, and very fast too, with their copy and paste paragraphs ready.

They need to get out more then, I see I come across those types on Facebook too, or used to, before I set them straight with some actual facts. It seems a lot of the 'anti' brigade don't want to be educated though, they just like a moan. They used to bitch at us for smoking, but now we've moved on and they can't bear it. They've got to find some kind of reason to have that old begrudging moan.

If vaping didn't exist I can imagine them following nicorette chewing gum users around telling them it causes stomach cancer or something. That is how silly they come across IMO.

Thecageyone

Del2005 wrote: »

Farting is also harmless, doesn't mean that farting in public is socialist acceptable. There's a time and place for everything.

Dumb logic. If someone farted near you in a pub would you be on here complaining about it? farting is harmless, so thanks for that comparison at least.

Let me ask all of you random antis something: Do you think eating a cake is offensive? do you worry it'll give you cancer or kill you somehow? Ok, maybe you can say well if you eat a lot of cakes, you could become obese and yes, suffer because of it. Well, what if you can have the same flavour, without any of the oils or the fat? That's pretty much what's in that vapor you are scare mongering about. Plenty of vapors now actually vape 0nic, or very low level nicotine, that gets absorbed into the user's bloodstream instantly. What they exhale is pretty much food grade flavouring [the very same as the flavouring used in any sweets, drinks or bakery products you eat] and vegetable glycerine [used in cake icing, cough medicines, various 'health' products]

At the same time, as a 3yr vaper, who smoked for 25yrs, I can tell you I'm a hell of a lot healthier for it. BUT .... I do not vape where it'll irritate others. I still go outside as if I was smoking, I do agree on that point. I never said I agreed with OP, I posted to slate the usual nonsense from the anti's ... who clearly haven't the foggiest [pun intended ]

It's the "They stink" [they don't, unless everyone you've come acrossvaping was on harsh tobacco juices] "who knows what's in them YOKES" [well, every vaper out there does and can tell you] that pisses me off.

Zelda247

What smell! My husband vapes all the time and I have never noticed a smell, neither has anyone else,visitors friends etc.

Penny Tration

Regular here on the vaping forum, avid vaper who thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread -


OP, whipping out your ecig in cinemas and restaurants without asking is rude. If given permission, then vape away. My local cinema doesn't mind once we're discreet.

Going into a place like a restaurant or an enclosed space like a screen room and puffing away without considering the comfort of others is rude. it's actions like these that help demonize vaping and give vapers a bad rep!

Yes, passive vaping causes no harm, but saying there's no smell, or that it smells nice isn't fair. The majority of liquids certainly do smell, and many liquids smell nasty.

As an example, most regulars here like khali vapor's Valley Girl liquid.

Not only can I not stand the liquid, the bloody stench from it is vile.

I'm using a key lime pie liquid at the moment that I love, but my sister (also a vaper) hates the smell of.

People are within their rights not to have to sniff your vapour, unless you have permission to vape.

It's simple - ask permission. their property, their rules. Don't just pull out a mod and tank and get snotty when asked not to use it.

Thecageyone

Zelda247 wrote: »

What smell! My husband vapes all the time and I have never noticed a smell, neither has anyone else,visitors friends etc.

The only comments I ever get on the smell, go more like "oooh what's that, smells delicious!" - honestly.

Whereas when I smoked people would straight out comment that the house stank. And I wouldn't have noticed because my senses were knackered from the smoke.

runawaybishop

Thecageyone wrote: »

Where are you lot 99.99% of the time then? This seems very random that a bunch of you suddenly attacking someone for saying they vape in public ... very fishy IMO

http://www.boards.ie/?#tabs-trending

^^ thread is trending. Not that you own this forum or anything, people can post whereever they want.

Calhoun

runawaybishop wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/?#tabs-trending

^^ thread is trending. Not that you own this forum or anything, people can post whereever they want.

Exactly I occasionally browse this forum when it shows up in the trends, as far as I am aware no forum is owned by any individual and anyone can post in them.

This isn't a safe haven where your opinions don't go unchallenged and folk get discredited because they don't post often.