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JustTheOne

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Pat Kenny on NT comparing this to IRA in the past - what a tosser

In fairness what's the difference only their beliefs.

Sick of terrorism whether it's the IRA loyalists isis whatever.

Nody

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Places with no Muslim population are safe. And they are not madmen, they live like that.

Slovakia has no muslims, no mosques and there have been several shootings in their capital and around the country by white people inc. in middle of the day in shopping centers... Oh and the last time they had pride day the neo nazis were roaming around the city center beating up anyone who they felt "looked gay" (I have friends from Slovakia; it's not the paradise on earth people appear to think it is).

weisses

seamus wrote: »

"People". We're all human beings at the end of the day. Isolating us into separate groups and sticking labels on everyone is in fact exactly what causes terrorism.

So religion has nothing to do with this ?

The Muslims people who came over in the 70's isolated themself from day one. Ad a few decades of failed politics addressing this issue and voila

This is caused by failed multiculturalism added with with a mix of religious extremists ... It's the perfect breeding ground

Straight Edge Punk

murpho999 wrote: »

You do know that "Third World" is no longer used?

Also, not all immigrants are terrorists and we should keep our values of helping those in trouble.

Think of all the Irish who emigrated around the world.

It is too much of a risk now.

screamer

Knex. wrote: »

Evident by the fact that the police in Brussels had a group of people throwing stuff at them earlier, and shouting abuse.

The support for the extremists goes beyond those willing to take up arms.

Exactly look how the community in molenbeek his abdeslam. The dog in the street knew he was there and some even want in camera to say they didn't believe he was involved in the Paris attacks.......
Thinking that dealing with terrorists is about targeting them is naieve at best. They need to go in and root out the whole lot friends family anyone who helps these terrorists and throw them out.

Straight Edge Punk

dav3 wrote: »

That's a Trumpesque oversimplification of the many issues involved.

You want to ban anybody from the third world from entering Europe?

With the current lack of vetting and general lack of knowledge of who is coming over then yes, I am very much open to the idea of closing the door to Europe for now.

Ave Sodalis

Straight Edge Punk wrote:

It was Bob, chasing anybody else for the crime is wasting time and resources.

Condemning the wrong person is a waste of time and resources. Which is why we gather evidence in the first place...

Straight Edge Punk

sup_dude wrote: »

Condemning the wrong person is a waste of time and resources. Which is why we gather evidence in the first place...

Gathering evidence in a case like this is a waste of time which allows those responsible to evade capture. Go in, get who is responsible and get your evidence afterwards is the way to work in a case like this.

nullzero

Terrorism is the ultimate proof that humans are incredibly stupid creatures.

timmyntc

murpho999 wrote: »

You do know that "Third World" is no longer used?

Also, not all immigrants are terrorists and we should keep our values of helping those in trouble.

Think of all the Irish who emigrated around the world.

Last I checked most Irish emigrated to work, and not to form Irish ghettos abroad.

BlibBlab

seamus wrote: »

Economics. It's always economics. Irish people didn't go to America because they wanted to live by American values, they went because they needed money. Simple as that.

But they did live and conform to American values. They didn't start blowing up innocents because they hated the new place they were living or it wasn't enough like dear old Ireland

stoplooklisten

This is unbelievable. time to get the big guns out and flatten these ****ers, back tot he stone age from which they came.

jmayo

dav3 wrote: »

RIP to all those innocent people who lost their lives.

It's quite telling that the first thing the knuckle draggers do is have a go at religion or immigrants before showing their respect.

Really showing yourselves up there boys and girls.

Of course the ones that once again highlight where these terrorists come from and what they believe in are the knuckle draggers.

Oh the irony.

No wonder Europe is going down the tubes and no wonder the Far Right is on the rise.
People are going to turn more and more to the right because they are the only ones listening to their concerns and actually discussing the fact that a large chunk of people belonging to a certain religion is incompatible with Western values.

The real irony is that Western freedoms are not going to be protected by the liberals and the left, the very ones that help win those freedoms in the first place. :mad:

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You want a whole religion banned and followers killed because of a few tw@ts? This makes you as bad as them.

Again deflection and distortion of real facts.
How long was the Paris attacked at large in Molenbeek ?
These people do not operate in a vacuum.
There is a lot of tacit support for these guys.

Look at numbers going off to fight with ISIS and look at numbers supporting radical islam.
Look at numbers in these countries demanding sharia law and demanding they be allowed operate outside the normal rules of law and order within the country.

It aint just a few nutjobs or twats as you might like us to believe.

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Unfortunately this is mainly homegrown.

Ghettoizing neighbourhoods was the worst thing to do, proper integration is needed - but this is a pipe dream and will never happen.

Ahh FFS more of the usual hogwash.
You can't force people to integrate if they do not want to integrate.

If some people persist in keeping their backwards misogynist homophobic insular views and beliefs, how do you force them to integrate into secular non discriminatory societies.

As for attacks...
I have long thought that an attack inside an airport would be a fairly soft target and I am surprised the only other time it was tried was in Glasgow.
And btw what was the religion of the attackers in Glasgow again?

Nody

timmyntc wrote: »

Last I checked most Irish emigrated to work, and not to form Irish ghettos abroad.

Feel free to find Muslims who have moved (not fled) to Europe and said they wanted to set up a ghetto. Heck; find anyone who's aiming to set up a ghetto by coming here...

dav3

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

With the current lack of vetting and general lack of knowledge of who is coming over then yes, I am very much open to the idea of closing the door to Europe for now.

It's not as simple as just 'closing a door' though is it.

Who do we close the door to?

Every country outside Europe? People of certain religions? Certain skin colour?

Ave Sodalis

Straight Edge Punk wrote:

Gathering evidence in a case like this is a waste of time which allows those responsible to evade capture. Go in, get who is responsible and get your evidence afterwards is the way to work in a case like this.

Gathering evidence is all the more important in a case like this, due to the reactions like the ones on this thread.

Del.Monte

murpho999 wrote: »

You do know that "Third World" is no longer used?

Also, not all immigrants are terrorists and we should keep our values of helping those in trouble.

Think of all the Irish who emigrated around the world.

Who decided this? More pc bs.

5star02707

horrible thing, few of my friends were just there weeks ago. travelling is one thing i love but with all these events it's so hard to take them journeys!

stoplooklisten

Nody wrote: »

Feel free to find Muslims who have moved (not fled) to Europe and said they wanted to set up a ghetto. Heck; find anyone who's aiming to set up a ghetto by coming here...

I just have to look out my window, I live in the European jihadi belt, don't tell me there's no gettos

Christy42

sup_dude wrote: »

Gathering evidence is all the more important in a case like this, due to the reactions like the ones on this thread.

and because you don't want to let people like this free because you slip up and don't follow procedure exactly right.

murpho999

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

It is too much of a risk now.

Really some perspective.

These attacks are awful and tragic, 23 dead so far which is terrible, but at the same time 10 million Belgiums and 600m Europeans are all fine.

Looked at this way it's a small attack no need to over react and persecute all muslims.

timmyntc wrote: »

Last I checked most Irish emigrated to work, and not to form Irish ghettos abroad.

They didn't form ghettos? Have you ever been to the US?

Straight Edge Punk

sup_dude wrote: »

Gathering evidence is all the more important in a case like this, due to the reactions like the ones on this thread.

You are wrong, plain and simple.

weisses

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Pat Kenny on NT comparing this to IRA in the past - what a tosser

Well there where some 80 bomb attacks done by them the last 45 years, killing people ....

A person torn apart by an IRA bomb or a Muslim suicide terrorist .... Could you tell who did it by looking at the body ?

BoJack Horseman

dav3 wrote: »

Every country outside Europe? People of certain religions? Certain skin colour?

Any faith that demand the slaughter of 'kafirs' would be fine by me.

Europe has been culturally enriched enough.... despite what the islamismists cuckold army might say.

murpho999

Del.Monte wrote: »

Who decided this? More pc bs.

Well the end of the cold war and fall of Soviet communism sorted that.

Developing world would be more apt.

Timberrrrrrrr

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Places with no Muslim population are safe. And they are not madmen, they live like that.

Can you name a place that has no Muslim population?

maggiepip

Do people even know what this is about? What can be done now to stop this? Its like its too late, everything has gone so wrong and Europe will never again be the same. Why? There's so many reasons and theories, but ISIS pure aim now is to destroy all non Sunni muslims and conquer the world with their form of Islam. Where do you even begin to negotiate with something like this, with supporters and active members living like normal citizens in every corner of Europe and the world, waiting to strike.

Straight Edge Punk

murpho999 wrote: »

Really some perspective.

These attacks are awful and tragic, 23 dead so far which is terrible, but at the same time 10 million Belgiums and 600m Europeans are all fine.

Looked at this way it's a small attack no need to over react and persecute all muslims.

I just think that until proper security measures are brought in and everybody knows who is entering Europe then close the doors. It's harsh on the genuine people caught up in the troubles but it is just too risky for me, you and our family and friends.

JustTheOne

weisses wrote: »

Well there where some 80 bomb attacks done by them the last 45 years, killing people ....

A person torn apart by an IRA bomb or a Muslim suicide terrorist .... Could you tell who did it by looking at the body ?

80?

I think it was a lot more than that.

Shopping centres, pubs, train stations.

No different to what we seen today.

whisky_galore

JustTheOne wrote: »

In fairness what's the difference only their beliefs.

The 'Boys' didn't tend to hang around after they planted a device on the street or in a car or in a building.

inforfun

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Why would I do that?

All I'm asking you to do is provide evidence of your claim and while you're at it explain what you believe my "beliefs" are seeing as you know me so well.

An interview by AFP of a person living in Molenbeek and you need me to provide you evidence.

Yeah.....

You know where you can go, right?

Nody

stoplooklisten wrote: »

I just have to look out my window, I live in the European jihadi belt, don't tell me there's no gettos

I don't dispute that there are ghettos; I disputed the fact they moved/fled here to intentionally set up a ghetto.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

murpho999 wrote: »

Really some perspective.

These attacks are awful and tragic, 23 dead so far which is terrible, but at the same time 10 million Belgiums and 600m Europeans are all fine.

Oh well that's ok then

stoplooklisten

maggiepip wrote: »

Do people even know what this is about? What can be done now to stop this? Its like its too late, everything has gone so wrong and Europe will never again be the same. Why? There's so many reasons and theories, but ISIS pure aim now is to destroy all non Sunni muslims and conquer the world with their form of Islam. Where do you even begin to negotiate with something like this, with supporters and active members living like normal citizens in every corner of Europe and the world, waiting to strike.

Well anyone that suggested terrorists would use the mass movement of people to hide among were call wacists and any trojan horse comparison was sent to conspiracy theories.

Perhaps we could ask the right on left what their solution is?

JustTheOne

whisky_galore wrote: »

The 'Boys' didn't tend to hang around after they planted a device on the street.

Yep very brave of them alright.

Kev_2012

Well that's me having several straight vodkas before the flight from Dublin to Zaventem for the Euros anyway!!!

What the hell is wrong with people!

screamer

BlibBlab wrote: »

They didn't start blowing up innocents because they hated the new place they were living or it wasn't enough like dear old Ireland

and they didn't go in and demand benefits and housing and isolate themselves because of the way they were treated (which was appallingly in many cases). They worked they integrated and got on with things. It makes my blood boil the way some idiots equate Irish emigrants of yesteryear with the section of migrants that we see today who are benefit sponging to try and justify it all.

Eugene Norman

murpho999 wrote: »

Really some perspective.

These attacks are awful and tragic, 23 dead so far which is terrible, but at the same time 10 million Belgiums and 600m Europeans are all fine.

Looked at this way it's a small attack no need to over react and persecute all muslims.



They didn't form ghettos? Have you ever been to the US?

Nothing permanent. Boston south is all that's left.

However it looks like the Muslim ghettoes of Europe are permanent.

Ave Sodalis

Straight Edge Punk wrote:

You are wrong, plain and simple.

No I'm not. Mob mentality is not, and never has been the answer. Jumping head first without thought has never been the answer. If you can't come up with a better argument than "well you're wrong and that's that" then we know that it is in fact you who is wrong.

There is a reason the general public is not allowed to make the decisions in a court case. If we go around killing people based on half truths and unknowns, we are no better than they. If we cannot use our brains every so often, what's the point in a civilised society.

BoJack Horseman

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Oh well that's ok then

The cognitive dissonance & tacit acceptance is kicking in in record time!

Timberrrrrrrr

inforfun wrote: »

An interview by AFP of a person living in Molenbeek and you need me to provide you evidence.

Yeah.....

You know where you can go, right?

1 persons hearsay is evidence now?

Where can I go? Care to tell me what my beliefs are?

murpho999

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

I just think that until proper security measures are brought in and everybody knows who is entering Europe then close the doors. It's harsh on the genuine people caught up in the troubles but it is just too risky for me, you and our family and friends.

It's no more risky than Ireland was in the 80s.

Straight Edge Punk

sup_dude wrote: »

No I'm not. Mob mentality is not, and never has been the answer. Jumping head first without thought has never been the answer. If you can't come up with a better argument than "well you're wrong and that's that" then we know that it is in fact you who is wrong.

There is a reason the general public is not allowed to make the decisions in a court case. If we go around killing people based on half truths and unknowns, we are no better than they. If we cannot use our brains every so often, what's the point in a civilised society.

I didn't say kill anyone. I said who is responsible for this morning. I know who it was and so does every rational thinking person on the planet.

Boom_Bap

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

I just think that until proper security measures are brought in and everybody knows who is entering Europe then close the doors. It's harsh on the genuine people caught up in the troubles but it is just too risky for me, you and our family and friends.

MOD
This is not a thread on immigration, stop trying to direct the topic that way.

The brother is over there at the moment. Arrived yesterday. Anyone got any idea on how he'll get home? Or is the airport still gonna be functioning properly once they've cordoned off the affected areas?

Anyone know where I'd get an update on that kinda thing? First time anyone I know has been in an area of such an attack.

Straight Edge Punk

Deleted User wrote: »

The brother is over there at the moment. Arrived yesterday. Anyone got any idea on how he'll get home? Or is the airport still gonna be functioning properly once they've cordoned off the affected areas?

Anyone know where I'd get an update on that kinda thing? First time anyone I know has been in an area of such an attack.

When is he due to fly home? He should contact the airline if it is soon.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

The brother is over there at the moment. Arrived yesterday. Anyone got any idea on how he'll get home? Or is the airport still gonna be functioning properly once they've cordoned off the affected areas?

Anyone know where I'd get an update on that kinda thing? First time anyone I know has been in an area of such an attack.

There are a couple of airports in Brussels. The affected one will probably be shut down for a couple of days, the rest will likely start operating again this evening or tomorrow, as soon as they're happy there are no further threats.

cournioni

12Phase wrote: »

Well, if you're familiar with Brussels, it just felt "off" over the last few months.

I think most people were expecting something could potentially happen.

Security in Brussels is way less visible than in Paris or London too which always made me feel a bit concerned tbh.

Don't agree with that, the place has been crawling with security ever since the synagogue attacks. Was there last September with the missus visiting her sister who lives there and the place had a very heavy security presence then too.

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

The brother is over there at the moment. Arrived yesterday. Anyone got any idea on how he'll get home? Or is the airport still gonna be functioning properly once they've cordoned off the affected areas?

Anyone know where I'd get an update on that kinda thing? First time anyone I know has been in an area of such an attack.

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From Twitter.

cournioni

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The brother is over there at the moment. Arrived yesterday. Anyone got any idea on how he'll get home? Or is the airport still gonna be functioning properly once they've cordoned off the affected areas?

Anyone know where I'd get an update on that kinda thing? First time anyone I know has been in an area of such an attack.

Charleroi may be still open.